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It means he knows nothing other than DOA6. It's entirely about rights. He can't give the rights to Sakurai. If Sakurai isn't talking with a person who has the rights, it's meaningless alone to us. It's not real information.
you described Steve or the Creeper perfectly (unless you don't count 9+ years as history).
I respect your opinion dude.
I respect your opinion as well.
So much this. I don't know why people are acting like Minecraft isn't a cultural juggernaut. It had a severe gaming impact and has merchandise among all kinds of media. B&K, as cool as it is, barely has much of anything besides games and a few figures. They did inspire a few games, but Minecraft had a way bigger gaming impact. In a single decade, it entirely rewrote the sandbox genre. It has a TV show. It has spin-off games and significantly more sales than a lot of series alone. Even just one game, albeit multiple consoles, has beaten out tons. It's one of the biggest series in actual history. It's already as big as Pokemon without having nearly as many characters, and it's growing bigger.
Thats fair, I dont think anybody should be compelled liking something dubious. I personally I only like the leak because my most wanteds are Erdrick and Ryu.
Again, I know that it is a phenomenon. But other franchises are also phenomenons, and a lot of them aren't even considered for Smash.
Well, in all due fairness, Cloud, Snake and Joker definitely don't have a "Nintendo essence", more so because their main titles are definitely not associated with the company (FFVII finally coming to Nintendo after nearly two decades, NES Metal Gear not involving Kojima and Persona 5 still being a PS4 exclusive as of today). Also, not to say much, but Ryu Hayabusa comes from a classic title, famous for its difficulty and part of the old 80's NES nostalgia stuff; so he's definitely not anywhere close lack any of the stuff you bring up.
Yeah, I guess B&K isn't really as big as people make it out to be impact-wise. However, it was really popular, and Nintendo slapped them on a box and advertised them alongside Mario, Pikachu, and Donkey Kong, their biggest mascots.
The team that made B&K is no longer part of Rare itself. So... no. I doubt it.
I honestly disagree with you.
Like, I'm not saying it SHOULD be exclusively Japanese, but imo the largest portion of franchises that are classic-oriented are japanese. Very few western titles actually manage something like that. And some of them are already represented in the game in some form. But sadly, the majority of western franchises are more in line with a more mainstream orientation, appealing to the edgier PS, XBox and PC crowd. Nintendo is its own thing, and their franchises lasted this long for a reason. And Smash is the very celebration of this culture that they promote. Hence why I have a more conservative opinion regarding Smash. But again, that's just my opinion. You can have yours, I won't bulge.
You know Snake debuted in the MSX, a home computer? And that Ryu Hayabusa debuted in the NES?
No, this is incorrect.
That has nothing to do with the point of there not being as much Erdrick talk as people mistook there to be though. Ya see people constantly going on and on about how supposedly all these insiders are hearing Erdrick, when in reality, not that many actually have, and there's nothing to say that the recent popular text leaks weren't based off that trend and it's likely that 5chan one is a Grinch leak at best.
Actually, the full story is that he'd mentioned several characters for Season 2 of Dragon Ball FighterZ. Of which, only two came to be, and those were obvious picks. Not sustaining of credibility. SOul Caliber IV as well as other escapades, have shown he's overall back to his infamously bad track record that people knew him for back before Smash Ultimate.
You mean the speculation bit where he supposedly leaked a new Castlevania game which we DO NOT have. Also, the compilation (more of a duology at that) wasn't even multiplatform. He got that load dead wrong, no pun intended.
Quite a lot of stuff there that I must point out as some are slight mistakes.
As stated above, I meant his debut on Nintendo, not in general. I said that to reflect the time the character already had with Nintendo. When I said that about Ryu, I didn't mean in terms of console wars. I meant more along the lines of the series being more classic-oriented or not.
While I agree with you that Steve would be lame for Western representation, I think Western IPs deserve more respect than that. Give the likes of say, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Crash Bandicoot, Conker, Master Chief, and much more a fairer shake than that.
Personal Q2 had him as a main character. He wasn't really important in those FF games at all. It's just cameos/small appearances.
Not really. It's been on PC for almost as long as the Playstation version.
Pffft. No he's not. You wanna talk Playstation character? You see Crash. Cloud may have been recognized for Playstation back in the day, but not that level. He'd even been showing up in Nintendo spin-off stuff not too long after.
this is like the 10th time that people declare vergeben to be done for lol. i remember when everyone called him a liar pre-e3, wrote him off as finished after simon didn't show up, discredited him because he didn't mention k.rool and the echoes and declared him a fraud after the grinch leak. but he somehow managed to come back from all those and is still chugging along. by all means doubt him but just be aware that historically smash leakers don't have the full picture and that when his sources come through, they really come through.
Your restrictions seem woefully arbritrary.
PC is not an actual console, which is what people mean. But fair point.
He didn't have any remote meaningful appearances till after Smash anyway. Just tiny cameos. He's still a PlayStation important character till Smash. He wasn't added because of being related to Nintendo in anyway.
This is the umpteenth time someone's overreacted and tried to pose something as trying to say Verge is done for when it clearly isn't. Calm yourself there.
Persona Q2 is a spinoff. It's not a main title. It's on the same relevancy as FF Explorers, basically. Cloud didn't have a "cameo/small appearance" in those games.
Basically any sort of restrinction is arbitrary, specially within the Smash fandom. XD
There's enough comments on Erdrick, just as much as before with other characters. Spawn Wave, Tansut, Vergeben; it's just as much if not bigger than what guys at ERA have shared in common.
You mean this leak? Vergeben insisted when telling people to not take it seriously, and this was from way back when he still got false info like Mother 3, so even then, he didn't buy that.
Do you even keep a track on what you say at all? We were talking about Requiem, and I covered that segment properly, not about the new game. Case in point, your own comment:
And as shown in the link I gave before, the multiplatform part was speculation on his behalf, and the new game can still happen.
Oh yes, they'll surely take the silence of all the other guys, because, you know, that's what they've been on to since pre-release. Vergeben isn't taken seriously only because he's right, but also because he's a lot more prominent on leaks than most other people around.
I don't put his words on a pedestal, I just find the constant discredit on his accurate leaks to be incredibly petty.
Well, my point with PC stands. And he still did appear which is something Crash can't say until he went full-on multiplatform.
Persona Q2 is Joker as a main character in the story. It's not about the series having a main appearance, it's about the character's importance to the story.
There was no N64 FFVII demo either. That's like saying Halo had an actual Nintendo appearance at any point because of the scrapped DS game. No, that doesn't make it a legitimate appearance. That means what was intended was scrapped and he stopped relating to Nintendo instead.
Being a classic on a system is different from being a game catering to classic-oriented standards in general. Like, a game being popular and being more classic are different things, that's what I meant.
I agree with the PC argument. PC is not a console, but their audience was different as well. And again, using console wars logic to define the content itself is borderline fanboyism.
Dude, the story is meaningless. It's a freaking spinoff. If he is a main character from a spinoff game, it just doesn't even remotely have any bearing on the main game. And using your logic, Joker is representing solely Persona 5.
Persona 5 is popular in Japan too but not so much in smash fanbase. I feel Joker's popularity among smash fans in Japan is less than the western smash community. I saw a lot of people confusing about Joker making in over Persona 4 protagonist or Bancho.
Please, don't stoop to taking pot-shots. That's a bad sign.
No we weren't. We were talking about the alleged collection of classic Castlevania titles that Verge suggested were there. Requiem doesn't even have the original 4 games on it. It only has 2 games at that. Whatever, we can argue semantics all we want,
I mean, at this point, Verge's words come as vague enough to fit. Like, let's be honest, a Castlevania collection isn't exactly the most surprising thing to come from Konami, especially with rumors about Simon Belmont being as prominent as they were.
No, but that one you showed and what you've said ha shown again, he ain't infallible. Why he'd share info he himself doesn't buy when more professional leakers now better is beyond me.
If that were really the case then people wouldn't have been following them. You'd have to ignore everything that Spawn Wave, Emily Rogers, Imran, Ryce, Stealth and others have been saying since early 2018 before Verge even became a part of the game.
If you say so. It's subjective sure, but hey, you do you. Seriously speaking, yes people do pay him mind. But being taken seriously is relative for several reasons concerning him. It's iffy.
That's a broad look on things. Of course they've had comments, but they haven't all collectively agreed on him in them. There needs to be a sturdier case at work.
Well, realize that you're barking up the wrong tree if you think that's the case with me and anyone else who doubts him. Now, when he gets some DLC stuff right, then we'll talk.
I disagree with this statement. Yes, Cloud is strictly from FFVII , but he definitely represents the FF franchise as a whole.
How do you define ‘a game catering to classic-oriented standards’? The nomenclature is really throwing me for a loop.
Wow, that’s crazy. And here we are thinking Joker is Japan-oriented and Erdrick will probably be as well.
Yes, we were. Vergeben's leak mentioned a compilation with Symphony of the Night on it, and guess what? That's what Requiem is. Need any more arguments, here:
It's the definition of "compilation" according to Merriam-Webster's dictionary.
Just because it's not surprising (even though the constant take people had on the company prior to Smash was very different from now) doesn't mean it wasn't a call.
Things change. What happened there hasn't happened again ever since. And if you're not talking about that, then what the hell are you even referring to with FighterZ?
Had nearly no input on the entire speculation time other than stepping in when the Grinch fiasco was kicking.
Not a single piece of input on the subject either.
See Spawn Wave. Also, already stated that he's refused to leak stuff since MvCI.
Oh yes, how could I forget the guy who everyone latched on to because he said Simon and hasn't called jack since? By the way, where's the Shovel Knight DLC in Smash 4?
Literally no one else but Jon and Nibel, who only made a pair of jokes on Ridley.
This whole conversation started because you couldn't take the idea that he was right about Smash because he apparently needs to call every single thing he says right, and didn't act like a jerk about the Square character (and funnily enough, you don't bring that anymore), which is hypocritical considering how you later bring Emily and Ryce as "more credible people" when they both have been wrong about stuff in the past.
Well, we know Sakurai likes to talk to the creators of the characters when including them in Smash. But that does bring up a lot of questions.
The problem is these people can't give Sakurai permission to use the characters, the best he can get from them is their blessings to persue it (If sakurai even cares about such limitations). They don't own these characters, their parent companies do. Using Snake as an example, Kojima likely had no idea he was in Smash (through official channels). He no longer controls the franchise and Konami's not going to tell a former employee of their plans for the character in 3rd party projects. If Sakurai wants to use the characters, he goes to the character's owners (not the creators) and from there is put in contact with the people that control the franchise/characters.
Sure, but the owner of the characters isn’t a person, but a company. He wouldn’t speak to a game’s director or producer, he’d speak to the legal team.
It's more that Sakurai can willingly ask the creators for helpful input, regardless if they still own the character. Advice is free. If he asked Kojima for help with Snake, after licensing him from the proper channels, it's no big deal.