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[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

Who do you think is the most likely possible Square-Enix Newcomer? (Two Choices possibles)


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I didn't see the one that only had the two, do you have a link to it or something? was it anonymous or someone known?
It was on 5ch and it was anonymous as well:
https://krsw.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1544370354/
Posts 136 and 137, this one came a bit later than the other one but I remember it being talked about here first considering the info regarding P5 spinoffs which is a bit more detailed. Most suspicious thing, is that the ids from the people don't match which could very well mean different people.
 
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One thing has confused me about the 7 Square Enix names.

Are they a list of characters that Square Enix sent out, or is it just a compiling of the names Vergeben heard from his sources for the Square Enix rep? I thought it was the latter.
 

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One thing has confused me about the 7 Square Enix names.

Are they a list of characters that Square Enix sent out, or is it just a compiling of the names Vergeben heard from his sources for the Square Enix rep? I thought it was the latter.
It's the names tons of leakers know of.

The idea SE sent out the list is a separate rumor, but I don't remember anyone attempting to say it's real.
 

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It was on 5ch and it was anonymous as well:
https://krsw.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1544370354/
Posts 136 and 137, this one came a bit later than the other one but I remember it being talked about here first considering the info regarding P5 spinoffs which is a bit more detailed. Most suspicious thing, is that the ids from the people don't match which could very well mean different people.
Oh raw japanese link. well google translate helps
https://translate.google.com/transl.../krsw.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1544370354/

One thing has confused me about the 7 Square Enix names.

Are they a list of characters that Square Enix sent out, or is it just a compiling of the names Vergeben heard from his sources for the Square Enix rep? I thought it was the latter.
I'm not sure if verge's heard all those names himself, but I think it's names that have been around leakers. Somebody knows more the details than me.
 

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Given most of the leak was about Geno's situation and not even dropping his name (translation issues wouldn't be a problem and his kana would be easy to locate and point out), it sounds rather biased, which is a big point against it then. If they're making fun of Geno and not name-dropping him, acting like they don't know his name, then it's probably someone making stuff up to stir the Geno fanbase's pot and ruffle some feathers.
I agree on every single points you stated.
But it’s getting popular again there since the Brave datamine happened. Just a notification.
 

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It was on 5ch and it was anonymous as well:
https://krsw.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1544370354/
Posts 136 and 137, this one came a bit later than the other one but I remember it being talked about here first considering the info regarding P5 spinoffs which is a bit more detailed. Most suspicious thing, is that the ids from the people don't match which could very well mean different people.
So I checked the link and it also mentions luminary (eleven) in there, just like the other one.
This one's from december 10th. anyone know when the other leak was? (edit: nvm i think i found it)
 
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Sorry, was kind of lazy since I had trouble finding a translation so I just used translate. The reason it became popular was because the whole Granblue fighting game by Arc System Works which it mentioned.
I agree on every single points you stated.
But it’s getting popular again there since the Brave datamine happened. Just a notification.
Out of curiosity. Is there any speculation ongoing there regarding who "brave" is apart from Erdrick/Loto?
 

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Also, one more thing. I saw this about the 5-character leak. It's apparently who'd be in charge of Ryu Hayabusa:

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Interview from last week from the Maker of Dead or Alive 6
> Speaking of Smash Bros, if you could take a DOA character to implement it in the Smash cast, who would you choose?
> I never spoke with Mr. Sakurai (Masahiro Sakurai, the creator of the Super Smash Bros series), but if I had the chance to do so I would ask him with pleasure, and I would probably choose Kasumi.

This outright deconfirms Ryu & proves that there has been no discussion between Tecmo & Sakurai on a Smash Rep, which in turn deconfirms the entire 5ch leak because Ryu was on it
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The idea SE sent out the list is a separate rumor, but I don't remember anyone attempting to say it's real.
I mean, while we don't know if ALL of the 7 names ARE from SE.

From Vergeben and Hitagi, they both says that SE did send Leakbaits, alongside Nintendo for that one. Tho, which on the list are Leakbaits, which are being heard, and which are real is a mystery
 

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I mean, while we don't know if ALL of the 7 names ARE from SE.

From Vergeben and Hitagi, they both says that SE did send Leakbaits, alongside Nintendo for that one. Tho, which on the list are Leakbaits, which are being heard, and which are real is a mystery
Ah, so at least we have some specific rumors.

Hmm. Verg is kind of questionable on credibility right now, at least till we see the SE rep(and it has to be one he knows) or Steve. Hitagi has one small bit he(she?) got right, but another they got wrong.

I wonder if the other leakers will give us an idea of what's going on. I do believe SE and Nintendo would send out leakbaits, though. Maybe Namco-Bandai as well.
 

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Also, one more thing. I saw this about the 5-character leak. It's apparently who'd be in charge of Ryu Hayabusa:

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Interview from last week from the Maker of Dead or Alive 6
> Speaking of Smash Bros, if you could take a DOA character to implement it in the Smash cast, who would you choose?
> I never spoke with Mr. Sakurai (Masahiro Sakurai, the creator of the Super Smash Bros series), but if I had the chance to do so I would ask him with pleasure, and I would probably choose Kasumi.

This outright deconfirms Ryu & proves that there has been no discussion between Tecmo & Sakurai on a Smash Rep, which in turn deconfirms the entire 5ch leak because Ryu was on it
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No. This is misinfo. Please stop spreading it.
 

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I haven't played any Kingdom Hearts games past the first one, but I want to let its fans know that I'm super happy that you're all finally gonna get to play Kingdom Hearts 3 soon. I hope you all enjoy yourselves!

I'm not that into Sora as a Smash character but if they get in, I'll be happy by proxy of knowing how super ecstatic y'all would be for him. Respect.
 

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Uh, alright. I'd appreciate a little more than that. What makes it misinfo? Did the interview not happen?
First off look at the context. It is solely regarding a DOA choice. Ryu Hayabusa means literally nothing in the scenario displayed here.
Second off, if that isn't enough for some reason, one dude involved with Ryu saying that doesn't mean the numerous other people involved agree with him.
Third...NDA's.
 

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First off look at the context. It is solely regarding a DOA choice. Ryu Hayabusa means literally nothing in the scenario displayed here.
Second off, if that isn't enough for some reason, one dude involved with Ryu saying that doesn't mean the numerous other people involved agree with him.
Third...NDA's.
Oh. Well I think the point is that this person would be in charge of ryu, and isn't just 'one dude' (might check more into that later..), and he says he never talked with sakurai and all that, which means no convo on other characters either. I mean, usually people would try not to mention it if they were under nda, not lie about stuff (like convos). And we can't base speculation on possible lies. We can just be open that maybe it doesnt mean a deconfirmation.

So, unless there's something else, I'm going to take it as that it's likely that ryu wont make it in. Not putting a lot of weight into it until i look more into it, but anyway, I'd rather you not dismiss something entirely, or at least dont go telling me it's misinfo when it's not. It might not be a hard deconfirmation, but it's not misinfo. I dont like that you claimed that so harshly too. :/
 
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Oh. Well I think the point is that this person would be in charge of ryu, and isn't just 'one dude', and he says he never talked with sakurai and all that, which means no convo on other characters either. I mean, usually people would try not to mention it, not lie about that. And we can't base speculation on possible lies. We can just be open that possibility.

So, unless there's something else, I'm going to take it as that it's likely that ryu wont make it in. Not putting a lot of weight into it until i look more into it, but anyway, I'd rather you not dismiss something entirely, or at least dont go telling me it's misinfo when it's not. It might not be a hard deconfirmation, but it's not misinfo. I dont like that you claimed that so harshly too. :/
No. That's not what that means.
He is quite literally only discussing DOA. You are making this out of context when the context is right there. Also he was very much forced int a situation where saying "no comment" would clue people in much more then just saying "discussions haven't taken place."
And, no, THIS GUY created Ryu. I don't know why this DOA dude is suddenly relevant.

I apologize if I came across as harsh but I cannot apologize for what I said because I still entirely stand by it. I feel very comfortable dismissing it entirely due to numerous factors I have stated above and it is indeed misinfo.
 

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No. That's not what that means.
He is quite literally only discussing DOA. You are making this out of context when the context is right there. Also he was very much forced int a situation where saying "no comment" would clue people in much more then just saying "discussions haven't taken place."
And, no, THIS GUY created Ryu. I don't know why this DOA dude is suddenly relevant.

I apologize if I came across as harsh but I cannot apologize for what I said because I still entirely stand by it. I feel very comfortable dismissing it entirely due to numerous factors I have stated above and it is indeed misinfo.
The question is who owns the rights, and who's in charge of that.

And also, the context doesn't remove the facts of what he said in general. He never spoke to him, and if he would have the chance to, etc.
There are always ways to say things without going into too much detail. here the detail about speaking or not to sakurai is pretty clear.
 

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Saying Ryu Hayabusa is a DoA character is like saying Cody Travers is a Street Fighter character.

Sure, he's in DoA, but that's not his game and he won't represent it.

The person who would reprsent DoA is Kasumi or Ayane, not Ryu, who would represent Ninja Gaiden.
 
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The question is who owns the rights, and who's in charge of that.

And also, the context doesn't remove the facts of what he said in general. He never spoke to him, and if he would have the chance to, etc.
There are always ways to say things without going into too much detail. here the detail about speaking or not to sakurai is pretty clear.
Except it DOES remove those facts. Because they aren't facts. He literally was just discussing DOA. I don't mean to be rude but how can it not be more clear than that?

And another thing not to sound rude but genuinely; do you actually know who owns the rights to DOA or are you just going off what another user said?
Because I can understand if you are, because it's admittedly confusing, but you're also taking this far too definitely when I haven't even seen the guy's name on this page.
 

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I agree on every single points you stated.
But it’s getting popular again there since the Brave datamine happened. Just a notification.
Yeah, I can't say I'm surprised. Leaks here come and go all the time all the same.

Anyway, though, thank you plenty for keeping us up to date on these things! It's really nice to have someone who knows the language on board!
 

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Except it DOES remove those facts. Because they aren't facts. He literally was just discussing DOA. I don't mean to be rude but how can it not be more clear than that?

And another thing not to sound rude but genuinely; do you actually know who owns the rights to DOA or are you just going off what another user said?
Because I can understand if you are, because it's admittedly confusing, but you're also taking this far too definitely when I haven't even seen the guy's name on this page.
I said I dont put a lot of weight into it until I look more into it. We're just talking for now. I'm about to leave soon too.

He said he never met sakurai (with more that points to it being general). The context is about doa, but it doesn't change how he said what he did.
All the wording he used tells me it was a general statement, not 'about' specifically just doa.

You can be open to the chance that it's really just about doa, but i don't think it's the best way to look at it.
 
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I said I dont put a lot of weight into it until I look more into it. We're just talking for now. I'm about to leave soon too.

He said he never met sakurai, period. The context is about doa, but it doesn't change how he said what he did.
All the wording he used tells me it was a general statement, not 'about' specifically just doa.

You can be open to the chance that it's really just about doa, but i don't think it's the best way to look at it.
It is the best way to look at it. There's zero other contest at all to suggest he was referring to meeting Sakurai in any other way. He was pretty blatantly talking about DOA stuff only. That would be trying to read into something that isn't remotely there.
 

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Saying Ryu Hayabusa is a DoA character is like saying Cody Travers is a Street Fighter character.

Sure, he's in DoA, but that's not his game and he won't represent it.

The person who would reprsent DoA is Kasumi or Ayane, not Ryu, who would represent Ninja Gaiden.
To be fair a lot of the Final Fight characters ARE more so Street Fighter characters nowadays considering there's a whole dead series and the legacy of Final Fight isn't quite as big as the legacy of Ninja Gaiden.

But your point still stands.
 

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It is the best way to look at it. There's zero other contest at all to suggest he was referring to meeting Sakurai in any other way. He was pretty blatantly talking about DOA stuff only. That would be trying to read into something that isn't remotely there.
I'm sorry but I completely disagree. I may look into a more full interview to make sure. But yeah, what he said was too general for me to take it to be only about doa.
 

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I'm sorry but I completely disagree. I may look into a more full interview to make sure. But yeah, what he said was too general for me to take it to be only about doa.
It doesn't matter how general it seems. It has no other legitimate context. It was a DOA-related thing. You're stretching it quite a bit here. If you can find other context among the interview, you might have a point, but right now there is no good reason to believe there was something other than DOA talk at all. If there is no other context, only the context there counts.
 

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I don't see why the leak is being taken seriously when it has barely any evidence anyway.

The evidence it does have...is based on leaks that came before it.

Don't get me wrong, though; while I don't care about any of the other characters in the leak, it guarantees Steve so I'll be fine if it's somehow real (but gimme my other wants too pls Mr. Sakurai).
 
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It doesn't matter how general it seems. It has no other legitimate context. It was a DOA-related thing. You're stretching it quite a bit here. If you can find other context among the interview, you might have a point, but right now there is no good reason to believe there was something other than DOA talk at all. If there is no other context, only the context there counts.
Context isn't a container. That's not how it works. It's super important, but what people say aren't always 'just' about what's being talked about. People say general stuff all the time and it goes beyond depending especially on how they phrase it. The wording of the rest of what he says is what gets me the simple impression that it's general. IT's actually not hard at all, and really.. it would be silly to explain something simple like that.

And to me it feels like you and president are the ones stretching it.
I'm not sure why you want to see it that way so much. and I dont feel like going into all the wording just to show something simple. If you want to only see it that way, that's fine, but I don't think it's the best way to look at it. I don't have the energy to go into more of this for now.

It's all open, and maybe it's worth looking into it more. Maybe it doesn't matter. If there's different possibilities it's alright to talk about it.
 
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It’s really interesting to me the difference in reaction towards this leak between the west and Japan.
DOOM leak in Japan got big and believed because of how disappointing the lineups are.
The Mii guy one was believed because of that Mii guy part and the Castlevania part.
So the Japanese expect a disappointing lineup for DLC as well? Even after Joker?

Also, one more thing. I saw this about the 5-character leak. It's apparently who'd be in charge of Ryu Hayabusa:

"
Interview from last week from the Maker of Dead or Alive 6
> Speaking of Smash Bros, if you could take a DOA character to implement it in the Smash cast, who would you choose?
> I never spoke with Mr. Sakurai (Masahiro Sakurai, the creator of the Super Smash Bros series), but if I had the chance to do so I would ask him with pleasure, and I would probably choose Kasumi.

This outright deconfirms Ryu & proves that there has been no discussion between Tecmo & Sakurai on a Smash Rep, which in turn deconfirms the entire 5ch leak because Ryu was on it
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The guy in that interview is neither the creator of Ninja Gaiden and Ryu Hayabusa, nor even the creator of Dead or Alive. He’s just the director of DOA6. Not the guy that Sakurai would speak to about DOA content in Smash, let alone Ninja Gaiden.
 
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The guy in that interview is neither the creator of Ninja Gaiden and Ryu Hayabusa, nor even the creator of Dead or Alive. He’s just the director of DOA6. Not the guy that Sakurai would speak to about DOA content in Smash, let alone Ninja Gaiden.
If he has nothing to do with the rights of ryu, or key networking, then you're right and all this would go away real easy, and whoever thought that guy was important to confirm or deconfirm was way off. And it's also why I just asked about it instead of looking into it, thinking someone might have looked into the details. If people are going to be so ****ing rude about it maybe it's better to look into it first before trying just to talk. :/
 

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Context isn't a container. That's not how it works. It's super important, but what people say aren't always 'just' about what's being talked about. People say general stuff all the time and it goes beyond depending especially on how they phrase it. The wording of the rest of what he says is what gets me the simple impression that it's general. IT's actually not hard at all, and really.. it would be silly to explain something simple like that.

And to me it feels like you and president are the ones stretching it.
I'm not sure why you want to see it that way so much. and I dont feel like going into all the wording just to show something simple. If you want to only see it that way, that's fine, but I don't think it's the best way to look at it. I don't have the energy to go into more of this for now.

It's all open, and maybe it's worth looking into it more. Maybe it doesn't matter. If there's different possibilities it's alright to talk about it.
Look, I again am sorry if I came off as rude, but I don't feel comfortable letting this slide. That's all.

And this is why:

So the Japanese expect a disappointing lineup for DLC as well? Even after Joker?



The guy in that interview is neither the creator of Ninja Gaiden and Ryu Hayabusa, nor even the creator of Dead or Alive. He’s just the director of DOA6. Not the guy that Sakurai would speak to about DOA content in Smash, let alone Ninja Gaiden.
Because these things get so confusing and middled it leads to us seeing a character as a definite deconfirm.
 

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Look, I again am sorry if I came off as rude, but I don't feel comfortable letting this slide. That's all.

And this is why:


Because these things get so confusing and middled it leads to us seeing a character as a definite deconfirm.
I'm sorry too. I got pissed off after because it continued with someone else posting in the same vein (adding to some of how i was feeling). I shouldn't direct my frustration at you.

Since it's gone on, tomorow I may try to understand who has the rights (not just the creator). It's ok if it doesn't mean much, I guess I wasnt in line for debating that's all. I'll cool off.
Dont mind me and enjoy the rest of your talks ;) later.
 
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I'm sorry too. I got pissed off after because it continued with someone else posting in the same vein. I shouldn't direct my frustration at you.

Since it's gone on, tomorow I may try to understand who has the rights (not just the creator). It's ok if it doesn't mean much, I guess I wasnt in line for debating that's all. I'll cool off.
Dont mind me and enjoy the rest of your talks ;) later.
My style of debating tends to come off as harsh, and I apologize. Take care. Hope to see you again tomorrow.
 

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Also, one more thing. I saw this about the 5-character leak. It's apparently who'd be in charge of Ryu Hayabusa:

"
Interview from last week from the Maker of Dead or Alive 6
> Speaking of Smash Bros, if you could take a DOA character to implement it in the Smash cast, who would you choose?
> I never spoke with Mr. Sakurai (Masahiro Sakurai, the creator of the Super Smash Bros series), but if I had the chance to do so I would ask him with pleasure, and I would probably choose Kasumi.

This outright deconfirms Ryu & proves that there has been no discussion between Tecmo & Sakurai on a Smash Rep, which in turn deconfirms the entire 5ch leak because Ryu was on it
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https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1081254237575630853?s=21

According Imran, he didn’t want to speculate much on Smash, which is interesting. I wouldn’t take this interview as a deconfrimation. I don’t think he’d have anything to do with negotiations for Smash.
 
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So Nintendo switch firmware updated to 7.0 today and here is what they added...

1. NSMBU Deluxe icons
2. Stability improvements

....I would keep my hopes down for v2.0
 

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I see, thanks. So its pretty much a wait until direct.
I'm still betting, if it's not a SE character, I bet 100% it's Felyne from Monster Hunter

Also, is it just me that is hoping with all of my energy that the 5chan leak is fake?
Not bc of Erdrick, but because of everything else. The other 3 are so underwhelming to me, I don't even know how to express it.
I'm hoping for classic japanese gaming characters with a Nintendo essence to them. Something timeless and groundbreaking. Characters with charm, history, meaning and that are beloved by many.
 
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