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[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

Who do you think is the most likely possible Square-Enix Newcomer? (Two Choices possibles)


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timbo8

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Ah the same we have been talking about for awhile now. Which is

Who would the 2nd Square Enix character

Are leakers and Insiders wrong about Square characters, or are they correct

DQ vs Geno vs Sephiroth vs Sora, as those are most names being spoken of at the moment.

Thats basically the the rundown of what has been discussed.
okay i though something change or somethig
 

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While I get what you mean, we don't know the full scenario of it. And considering that Disney is said to be hard to work with, I'm still skeptical. If Universal wasn't working with Nintendo right now, then maybe I could see something along the lines of "if we get rights to make Super Mario movies, you get access to Sora (sort of like how Sega got Wreck-It Ralph for Sega All Star racing and Disney got access to Sonic and Eggman for the movie.
Except Warner Brothers who is equally a competitor to Universal as Disney is, is working on Detective Pikachu. So that means Nintendo is willing to work with competitors of Universal. And keep in mind like I said Disney can work with others when they see it being profitable. Bob Iger Disney's CEO has proven many times Disney can close deals that seem impossible. He and Alan Horn Disney's Chair of Entertainment, have also proven they can work with game companies. As they convinced several game companies to appear in Wreck it Ralph 1 and this included Nintendo and Square Enix.
 
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Except Warner Brothers who is equally a competitor to Universal as Disney is, is working on Detective Pikachu. So that means Nintendo is willing to work with competitors of Universal. And keep in mind like I said Disney can work with others when they see it being profitable. Bob Iger Disney's CEO has proven many times Disney can close deals that seem impossible. He and Alan Horn Disney's Chair of Entertainment, have also proven they can work with game studios. As they convinced several game studios to appear in Wreck it Ralph 1 and this included Nintendo and Square Enix.
That's not entirely true. Universal got the movie first but later went it to Warner Brothers due to the situation with Legendary
With that said on top of it. It's not Nintendo that owns the movie rights to Pokemon. That's TCP also known as The Pokemon Company.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/pokemon-movie-rights-land-at-912400

So sorry but your argument with DP doesn't really work here. That being said. is it impossible for Sora to join? Nope, that could happen. I'm just not seeing it all things considered
 
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Except Square already did a three way partnership with 2B, and had to split profits with Bandai Namco & Platinum Games.
Platinum doesn't own the games they work on, they had as much profit from it as they did from Bayonetta and the TW101 Spirits, which is none.
If you want proof of that, just look at the trademarks in the website, they're not listed there even though Game Freak and Monolith Soft. are.
Also there is no guarantee Disney would not share profits with Square on Amiibo sales. Square Enix online store sells KH merchandise. So its likely Square does make some profit from KH merchandise. Especially since Disney dissolved Disney Interactive Studios in 2016 that was in charge of KH1 & KH2 alongside Square Enix. After this Disney decided to not do 1st party games and focus on strengthening all 3rd party games and studios. This included Square, so even more reason that Square is likely receiving profit from KH merchandise. As Disney right now has no interest in their own game studio, they are really relying on 3rd party studios. And they want to keep those Game companies who are making games for them happy. Which would be likely they will let said Game studios make profit from merchandise sold, even if its not as much as Disney would make.
What does this have anything to do with them not wanting to share profits with Nintendo and Disney? Because if this really was a case of one or the other and Nintendo asking for one of their characters, Square won't profit as much from Sora as they would from others that are exclusively owned by them. Even more likely they wouldn't gain anything from Sora other than marketing as they don't own the KH brand. And I doubt Disney is one to be kind on sharing royalties.
 

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Geno, is not out of the running in my opinion. It should be noted that in leaks both of these characters were targeted. Which seems suspicious, given their high popularity. Geno brings a unknown/ wild card factor in this. He is the character that is unpredictable as he could make it in on nostalgia. He would be going against all Square business decision patterns, but they could choose him as a sign of good faith towards fans, Disney has proven many times that nostalgia sells, and if he has a secret remake of SMRPG in development it would really lean in his favor. Yoko Shimomura is also the SMRPG composer, so she could also be used here.
I'm not meant to be negative but the Geno being highly popular is wrong, he is mainly popular among the smash community and mostly in the west as japan isn't requesting him that much

You have to take into account that when you want to appeal to the most, it's not a good idea to target the community that already have the game.
Most people having smash will buy every DLC no matter what for the sake of completude

DLC like Joker brings Persona 5 community and fanbase, you see among the smash community, there isn't a thread supporting Joker, he wasn't big

Yet the persona 5 community is big, and many would be willing to buy smash to play Joker in it.

You have to think the DLC like that.


On another topic, i want to bring another serie no one thinks about from Square and it's Bravely, and Square Enix teased a Bravely Third this year coming probably in 2019 and Agnes from Bravely Default would be a good idea.
 

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Platinum doesn't own the games they work on, they had as much profit from it as they did from Bayonetta and the TW101 Spirits, which is none.
If you want proof of that, just look at the trademarks in the website, they're not listed there even though Game Freak and Monolith Soft. are.

What does this have anything to do with them not wanting to share profits with Nintendo and Disney? Because if this really was a case of one or the other and Nintendo asking for one of their characters, Square won't profit as much from Sora as they would from others that are exclusively owned by them. Even more likely they wouldn't gain anything from Sora other than marketing as they don't own the KH brand. And I doubt Disney is one to be kind on sharing royalties.
Because Square could realize that Sora despite sharing profits still would make them the most money. Let me put this into perspective with financial figures to further illustrate my point. Kingdom hearts has a total of 24 million in sales so far. This does not include Kingdom Hearts 3 that will likely push the franchise right behind Final Fantasy in sales. Kingdom Hearts 1 has shipped 5.6 million copies world wide, and 1.5 million copies in Japan, and 3.0 million copies in North America. By October 2013 Kingdom Hearts 1 has sold more than 20 million copies worldwide.


Lets compare this information against the competition:


Dragon Quest itself has 75 million in profits so far, thats 51 million more than KH, which is significant I admit that.

However 75% Dragon Quest 11 sales came from Japan, which clearly states the majority of Dragon Quest fanbase is in Japan, and therefore not globally popular.

Dragon Quest is not a globally popular franchise, and does not match how Square does deals. All recent cross promoted picks are globally popular and in Dragon Quest's case you will be dealing with 4 companies and Sugiyama, which is way more than Disney, Nintendo and Square.

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Super Mario RPG, is not amongst the most popular Square games, nor among its most profitable. Geno is not recognized as the top 5 Square characters and he has not had a recent game since 1996, thats 22 years ago. Also Square is not like Nintendo, they do not try to appease fans by putting legacy characters as their cross promoted picks. As we would have Warrior Light instead of Noctis in Tekken 7.


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Sephiroth, would fit the fact that Square chooses FF picks as their cross promoted picks exception 2B. However they do not choose the same series twice in the same game. And it would make more sense since Cloud is already cross promoting FF franchise in Smash. They will choose another franchise to help them cross promote that franchise as well.


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Crono does not match the rules Square follows when it comes to cross promotion. These rules are the following, they help Square cross promote and help them make both long term and short term income. They as a character represent the company. And they are still relevant.

Crono would only help represent them as a company, but he would be able to help Square do what they love, which is cross promotion. Also he is not still relative as his game was released 23 years ago and has not had a sequel. He is in a similar boat as Geno, as Square does not prioritize legacy characters over recent characters.

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In conclusion despite sharing sales with Disney, Square still has the highest possibility of making the most income both short term and long term with Sora. Aside from Cloud he is the next most globally popular character, and would help them achieve sales globally and not just in Japan. By choosing Sora they are choosing a safe pick, because they know he will sell and not have a gamble like a DQ character. And of course they can cross promote off of him, more than they could with any of the other characters. Also again you underestimate Disney, I have seen a lot of Disney bias on this forum. And that is mainly due to mis information and not wanting Disney anywhere near video game companies. Nowhere is there concrete evidence that Disney is this giant that gobbles up the majority of profits when it comes to the games they make with 3rd party game companies and leaves little for their game partners. If this were the case then why do these game companies continue to work with Disney? Not only is Square Enix making a KH3, but an Avengers game. Also nowhere is it shown that Disney does not share profits when it comes to merchandise. Everyone really underestimates Disney when it comes them being persuasive, there is a reason they are the biggest media company. Bob Iger has helmed the acquisitions of Pixar, Marvel, Lucasflms, and FOX. All of these seemed impossible that Disney would be able to acquire and yet they did. Also he and Alan Horn convinced Sony(a rival company) to enter an agreement with them so the MCU could have Spiderman. Finally in Wreck it Ralph 1, Disney convinced several game companies to partner with them, and this included Nintendo and Square Enix. I really would stop pushing Disney as the boogeyman thats out to get profits and nothing else, because thats just not how Disney works. They have survived and thrived this long, due to the fact Disney knows how to negotiate. Disney knows when it comes to deals, they know what time is right push and when its not the right time. And they have also survived and thrived this long, because they know how to build good relations with other companies.
 
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I'm not meant to be negative but the Geno being highly popular is wrong, he is mainly popular among the smash community and mostly in the west as japan isn't requesting him that much

You have to take into account that when you want to appeal to the most, it's not a good idea to target the community that already have the game.
Most people having smash will buy every DLC no matter what for the sake of completude

DLC like Joker brings Persona 5 community and fanbase, you see among the smash community, there isn't a thread supporting Joker, he wasn't big

Yet the persona 5 community is big, and many would be willing to buy smash to play Joker in it.

You have to think the DLC like that.


On another topic, i want to bring another serie no one thinks about from Square and it's Bravely, and Square Enix teased a Bravely Third this year coming probably in 2019 and Agnes from Bravely Default would be a good idea.
There was a Joker support thread, but it was moved to character discussion, now it's the social thread.
 

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DLC like Joker brings Persona 5 community and fanbase, you see among the smash community, there isn't a thread supporting Joker, he wasn't big
That's not true.

Joker is like Cloud, or let say, Ryu.

A characters people "didn't know they wanted" or rather "Dissmised the idea quickly" putting it under the "never ever" categories, because of the dumb bull**** rules that community makes about characters getting in smash.

But if you asks "If you had to add a characters into smash, without caring about the so called rules, or the one you think is impossible", I can bet you we would see Joker up there quite a lot.

Just look at the OVERWHELMING reaction, nearly going Cloud level at his inclusion.

People wanted him. They just were told he wasn't happening.
 
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Crono does not match the rules Square follows when it comes to cross promotion. These rules are the following, they help Square cross promote and help them make both long term and short term income. They as a character represent the company. And they are still relevant.

Crono would only help represent them as a company, but he would be able to help Square do what they love, which is cross promotion. Also he is not still relative as his game was released 23 years ago and has not had a sequel. He is in a similar boat as Geno, as Square does not prioritize legacy characters over recent characters.
While Geno is not relevant anymore being a 22 years old game

It's not true for Crono Trigger being a 23 years old game, it's still relevant as they are porting the game on everything possible as well as steam and phones
and they want to bring it on switch very soon
 

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Im going to take a break from this forum for awhile friends, I keep seeing the same things being rehashed over and over. And its likely the Square rep will be the fourth or fifth DLC. So thats a long time to keep speculating, and also I will not be near my computer for some weeks as I will be traveling. I still will pop in from time to time to see how everyone is doing and if any news has been released. However I do need to take a step back to focus on other things. Its been fun debating all this, I will still pop in form time to time, but it will be much less than before. GoeGoe GoeGoe DaybreakHorizon DaybreakHorizon AugustusB AugustusB EarlTamm EarlTamm Nekoo Nekoo Luigi The President Luigi The President osby osby PhilosophicAnimal PhilosophicAnimal Jovahexeon Joranvexeon Jovahexeon Joranvexeon Calane Calane , plus many more. You guys have made this time of speculation excellent, and thanks for putting up with my long speculations and debates. Best of luck to everyone and their Square picks
 
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Because Square could realize that Sora despite sharing profits still would make them the most money. Let me put this into perspective with financial figures to further illustrate my point. Kingdom hearts has a total of 24 million in sales so far. This does not include Kingdom Hearts 3 that will likely push the franchise right behind Final Fantasy in sales. Kingdom Hearts 1 has shipped 5.6 million copies world wide, and 1.5 million copies in Japan, and 3.0 million copies in North America. By October 2013 Kingdom Hearts 1 has sold more than 20 million copies worldwide.


Lets compare this information against the competition:


Dragon Quest itself has 75 million in profits so far, thats 51 million more than KH, which is significant I admit that.

However 75% Dragon Quest 11 sales came from Japan, which clearly states the majority of Dragon Quest fanbase is in Japan, and therefore not globally popular.

Dragon Quest is not a globally popular franchise, and does not match how Square does deals. All recent cross promoted picks are globally popular and in Dragon Quest's case you will be dealing with 4 companies and Sugiyama, which is way more than Disney, Nintendo and Square.

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Super Mario RPG, is not amongst the most popular Square games, nor among its most profitable. Geno is not recognized as the top 5 Square characters and he has not had a recent game since 1996, thats 22 years ago. Also Square is not like Nintendo, they do not try to appease fans by putting legacy characters as their cross promoted picks. As we would have Warrior Light instead of Noctis in Tekken 7.


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Sephiroth, would fit the fact that Square chooses FF picks as their cross promoted picks exception 2B. However they do not choose the same series twice in the same game. And it would make more sense since Cloud is already cross promoting FF franchise in Smash. They will choose another franchise to help them cross promote that franchise as well.


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Crono does not match the rules Square follows when it comes to cross promotion. These rules are the following, they help Square cross promote and help them make both long term and short term income. They as a character represent the company. And they are still relevant.

Crono would only help represent them as a company, but he would be able to help Square do what they love, which is cross promotion. Also he is not still relative as his game was released 23 years ago and has not had a sequel. He is in a similar boat as Geno, as Square does not prioritize legacy characters over recent characters.

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In conclusion despite sharing sales with Disney, Square still has the highest possibility of making the most income both short term and long term with Sora. Aside from Cloud he is the next most globally popular character, and would help them achieve sales globally and not just in Japan. By choosing Sora they are choosing a safe pick, because they know he will sell and not have a gamble like a DQ character. And of course they can cross promote off of him, more than they could with any of the other characters. Also again you underestimate Disney, I have seen a lot of Disney bias on this forum. And that is mainly due to mis information and not wanting Disney anywhere near video game companies. Nowhere is there concrete evidence that Disney is this giant that gobbles up the majority of profits when it comes to the games they make with 3rd party game companies and leaves little for their game partners. If this were the case then why do these game companies continue to work with Disney? Not only is Square Enix making a KH3, but an Avengers game. Also nowhere is it shown that Disney does not share profits when it comes to merchandise. Everyone really underestimates Disney when it comes them being persuasive, there is a reason they are the biggest media company. Bob Iger has helmed the acquisitions of Pixar, Marvel, Lucasflms, and FOX. All of these seemed impossible that Disney would be able to acquire and yet they did. Also he and Alan Horn convinced Sony(a rival company) to enter an agreement with them so the MCU could have Spiderman. Finally in Wreck it Ralph 1, Disney convinced several game companies to partner with them, and this included Nintendo and Square Enix. I really would stop pushing Disney as the boogeyman thats out to get profits and nothing else, because thats just not how Disney works. They have survived and thrived this long, due to the fact Disney knows how to negotiate. Disney knows when it comes to deals, they know what time is right push and when its not the right time. And they have also survived and thrived this long, because they know how to build good relations with other companies.

Disney not being a boogeyman and only thinking about getting profits?... Please tell me that I'm not reading it right. No offense, but this is one of the most laughable things I ever read. There is arguably no company that is more money hungry than them.

Why did they want those characters to cameo (and it was only a cameo I might add) Because it would help Wreck-It Ralph sell tickets.

Why did they want Spiderman back? Because it would give them more buck from the MCU? Plus Sony at that time was desperate, close to going bankrupt at that time

Why did they want Lucasfilm? Because they know Star Wars = cash.

Why did they want Fox? Because Fox lies on tons of IPs, on top of owning most of Hulu and a streaming service in Europe which would make it easier for them to launch Disney Plus

I said it before, and I say it again. I don't think Sora is as impossible as some people think, but you are extremely naive if you think Disney is easy to work with. They will more than likely have as much percent of the amiibo sales, DLC sales etc that they can that I could see Nintendo would just say "screw it". At least with someone like Joker, they only had to work with Atlus and Sega, two companies that they have a solid relationship with which some fail to realize just because Persona 5 is Playstation exclusive as of now.
 
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Here's the post I've been working on and teasing for the past two days. Let me introduce you to:

THE ULTIMATE heh SQUARE ENIX CHARACTER ARGUMENT

I'm on a month long break, and to keep my brain from rotting out of my head I've decided to write a series of in-depth speculation posts about current popular Smash Bros. Ultimate Speculation and topics that personally interest me within it. The idea of a Square Enix character has been prevalent in this speculation cycle since at least October, and has recently hit a climax with seemingly everyone and their mom having a source and going after information about the elusive Square Enix character. While I've argued with many about Sora, Geno, and Dragon Quest, I wanted to take an in-depth look into every potential Square Enix pick and argue the pros and cons of their inclusion, which led to this. This is a long post—likely the longest I've written and will ever write—clocking in at over 6,000 words. So buckle up, and I hope you enjoy the ride!

 
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Here's the post I've been working on and teasing for the past two days. Let me introduce you to:

THE ULTIMATE heh SQUARE ENIX CHARACTER ARGUMENT

I'm on a month long break, and to keep my brain from rotting out of my head I've decided to write a series of in-depth speculation posts about current popular Smash Bros. Ultimate Speculation and topics that personally interest me within it. The idea of a Square Enix character has been prevalent in this speculation cycle since at least October, and has recently hit a climax with seemingly everyone and their mom having a source and going after information about the elusive Square Enix character. While I've argued with many about Sora, Geno, and Dragon Quest, I wanted to take an in-depth look into every potential Square Enix pick and argue the pros and cons of their inclusion, which led to this. This is a long post—likely the longest I've written and will ever write—clocking in at over 6,000 words. So buckle up, and I hope you enjoy the ride!

Please do yourself a favor and just never bring up Geno again. I get that you wanted to be fair, and perhaps you may not intend to bash Geno, but you are simply unable to write about him in an unbiased manner, from the dozens of post's I've seen. Seriously: Lara Croft is more likely in your eyes? Lara Croft? Yeah; no. Lara would fit fine in Smash; but that's just not happening. Especially with her reboot series under performing across the board. I honestly would have rather not seen you address Geno than give such a slanted statement.
 

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Please do yourself a favor and just never bring up Geno again. I get that you wanted to be fair, and perhaps you may not intend to bash Geno, but you are simply unable to write about him in an unbiased manner, from the dozens of post's I've seen. Seriously: Lara Croft is more likely in your eyes? Lara Croft? Yeah; no. Lara would fit fine in Smash; but that's just not happening. Especially with her reboot series under performing across the board. I honestly would have rather not seen you address Geno than give such a slanted statement.
I know I shouldn't answer obvious bait or troll but...

It's the pot calling the kettle black !
 
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Please do yourself a favor and just never bring up Geno again. I get that you wanted to be fair, and perhaps you may not intend to bash Geno, but you are simply unable to write about him in an unbiased manner, from the dozens of post's I've seen. Seriously: Lara Croft is more likely in your eyes? Lara Croft? Yeah; no. Lara would fit fine in Smash; but that's just not happening. Especially with her reboot series under performing across the board. I honestly would have rather not seen you address Geno than give such a slanted statement.
Yet, it’s okay for you to come bash DQ every chance you get whenever you come to this thread, but yet you want someone to not give their opinion on Geno, even if it’s negative?! Hmm...interesting. How about you try not to do the same thing chief!
 
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....This isn't bait? Bait would be produced if I didn't genuinely care about the subject being spoken about.
Say this

Please do yourself a favor and just never bring up Geno again. I get that you wanted to be fair, and perhaps you may not intend to bash Geno, but you are simply unable to write about him in an unbiased manner, from the dozens of post's I've seen
Yet trashtalk DQ or Sora anytime he can like
Yet, it’s okay for you to come bash DQ every chance you get whenever you come to this thread, but yet you want someone to not give their opinion on Geno, even if it’s negative?! Hmm...interesting. How about you try not to do the same thing chief!
said.

See the issue?
 

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Say this



Yet trashtalk DQ or Sora anytime he can like

said.

See the issue?
First of all you formatted this post extremely strangely; but I think I get what you're saying.
The thing is; I never try to come off unbiased. Mr. Leakerman is obviously trying to spin their post into one giant; neutral collection of pro's and con's.
 

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First of all you formatted this post extremely strangely; but I think I get what you're saying.
The thing is; I never try to come off unbiased. Mr. Leakerman is obviously trying to spin their post into one giant; neutral collection of pro's and con's.
>Calling me Mr. Leakerman instead of my actual username.

I appreciate the respect.

It seems that you just skimmed my arguments and the wrap-up instead of actually reading it. I explicitly stated that the arguments for and against Geno are balanced, and that's true. For every point for Geno, there is a point against him, and vice versa. He's truly a 50/50 character. I figured you would disagree with me given that you disagree with me on everything and have a personal grudge against me as I argue against Geno, but that's okay. We're allowed to disagree as much as I'm allowed to voice my opinions.
 
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>Calling me Mr. Leakerman instead of my actual username.

I appreciate the respect.

It seems that you just skimmed my arguments and the wrap-up instead of actually reading it. I explicitly stated that the arguments for and against Geno are balanced, and that's true. For every point for Geno, there is a point against him, and vice versa. He's truly a 50/50 character. I figured you would disagree with me given that you disagree with me on everything and have a personal grudge against me as I argue against Geno, but that's okay. We're allowed to disagree as much as I'm allowed to voice my opinions.
They really aren't balanced though... you ESPECIALLY don't make it sound like Geno is less likely than Lara ****ing Croft in your megapost.
 

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Here's the post I've been working on and teasing for the past two days. Let me introduce you to:

THE ULTIMATE heh SQUARE ENIX CHARACTER ARGUMENT

I'm on a month long break, and to keep my brain from rotting out of my head I've decided to write a series of in-depth speculation posts about current popular Smash Bros. Ultimate Speculation and topics that personally interest me within it. The idea of a Square Enix character has been prevalent in this speculation cycle since at least October, and has recently hit a climax with seemingly everyone and their mom having a source and going after information about the elusive Square Enix character. While I've argued with many about Sora, Geno, and Dragon Quest, I wanted to take an in-depth look into every potential Square Enix pick and argue the pros and cons of their inclusion, which led to this. This is a long post—likely the longest I've written and will ever write—clocking in at over 6,000 words. So buckle up, and I hope you enjoy the ride!


a very good analysis

HOWEVER

may i underline two things that i see wrong

1) The relevance of Chrono, while he didn't have any new game, the game is ported on everything, including Steam, Phones, and soon it might be Switch (there is rumors of a switch port of Chrono Trigger

2) Last but not least, about 2B not being on a nintendo console
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/1...blematic-of-smash-bros-ultimates-dlc-approach

"Fils-Aime explained that Sakurai and the team working on Ultimate’s DLC don’t necessarily see characters from franchises not typically associated with Nintendo as a limiting factor when it comes to Smash Bros."

And i think it is a very important quote to be taken when speculating

Edit: Also Platinum has 3 incoming games for the switch, 2 are unknown, one is Bayonetta 3. Yoko Taro said at E3 that he was willing to port Nier Automata on switch.
 
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a very good analysis

HOWEVER

may i underline two things that i see wrong

1) The relevance of Chrono, while he didn't have any new game, the game is ported on everything, including Steam, Phones, and soon it might be Switch (there is rumors of a switch port of Chrono Trigger

2) Last but not least, about 2B not being on a nintendo console
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/1...blematic-of-smash-bros-ultimates-dlc-approach

"Fils-Aime explained that Sakurai and the team working on Ultimate’s DLC don’t necessarily see characters from franchises not typically associated with Nintendo as a limiting factor when it comes to Smash Bros."

And i think it is a very important quote to be taken when speculating

Edit: Also Platinum has 3 incoming games for the switch, 2 are unknown, one is Bayonetta 3. Yoko Taro said at E3 that he was willing to port Nier Automata on switch.
If we're going to bring up the hypothetically chrono trigger port; then we'd be remiss to leave out the possibility that the octopath team are set to remake a classic Nintendo RPG as well...
 

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a very good analysis

HOWEVER

may i underline two things that i see wrong

1) The relevance of Chrono, while he didn't have any new game, the game is ported on everything, including Steam, Phones, and soon it might be Switch (there is rumors of a switch port of Chrono Trigger

2) Last but not least, about 2B not being on a nintendo console
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/1...blematic-of-smash-bros-ultimates-dlc-approach

"Fils-Aime explained that Sakurai and the team working on Ultimate’s DLC don’t necessarily see characters from franchises not typically associated with Nintendo as a limiting factor when it comes to Smash Bros."

And i think it is a very important quote to be taken when speculating

Edit: Also Platinum has 3 incoming games for the switch, 2 are unknown, one is Bayonetta 3. Yoko Taro said at E3 that he was willing to port Nier Automata on switch.
Also, another thing about the Chrono port, it wasn't great at all. They got burned from that Chrono port when it came out. I don't know what it is about Square and their ports, or remastering games. They either be decent or just bad. The same can be kind of said for the Secret of Mana remake, it wasn't great, it was just average at best. I know quality probably doesn't matter in this sense for Smash, but I think it just goes to show how much Square seems to care about Chrono if they were able to put out that game like that. It just seemed like it didn't matter to them in the end at all. It was like, why do a port in the first place, if it wasn't going to at least be somewhat polished?
 
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a very good analysis

HOWEVER

may i underline two things that i see wrong

1) The relevance of Chrono, while he didn't have any new game, the game is ported on everything, including Steam, Phones, and soon it might be Switch (there is rumors of a switch port of Chrono Trigger

2) Last but not least, about 2B not being on a nintendo console
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/1...blematic-of-smash-bros-ultimates-dlc-approach

"Fils-Aime explained that Sakurai and the team working on Ultimate’s DLC don’t necessarily see characters from franchises not typically associated with Nintendo as a limiting factor when it comes to Smash Bros."

And i think it is a very important quote to be taken when speculating
Characters must have at least ONE appearance on a Nintendo console, however, as evidenced by Sakurai mentioning Theathrhythm Final Fantasy in the Cloud interview. 2B still has yet to appear on a Nintendo console.

Or maybe that's just another dumb fan rule that can be broken. I don't know.
They really aren't balanced though... you ESPECIALLY don't make it sound like Geno is less likely than Lara ****ing Croft in your megapost.
So I make it sound like Geno is more likely than Lara Croft? That's a bad thing?

I think I get it now. You took the wrap-up as a summation of the entire article. I called it "my thoughts" for a reason; it is my thoughts based on the evidence that provided, with my own biases incorporated. Of course, your thoughts will be different from mine as you'll reach different conclusions with the same evidence. That's natural, and having differing opinions is okay and, in my opinion, actually better than conforming to one mindset as it challenges previously held beliefs and conceptions. In writing this post, I came to believe that Geno IS MORE LIKELY than I did in the past, so I find it funny you still think that I think so low of him.

I understand that you don't like me, but at least read what I have to say, and if you disagree, provide me with evidence to refute my points instead of resorting to ad hominem and bashing my thoughts because they conflict with your's.
 
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besides what i want or not anyway, with the upmost honesty

Considering they brought Castlevania back alive in Smash, which is a legendary piece of video games.

The last legendary piece of video games lacking in the most ambitious Smash game ever is Dragon Quest, whether you like it or not (and i've never played a single one).

From the point of view of Sakurai, who sees his baby as the biggest video game cross over in history, his pride would want to get Dragon Quest in Smash. And the fact that it's "difficult" to get must challenge even more his pride.

Let's put it this way, if Dragon Quest was brought as 2nd character DLC, they could stop the dlcs right after as the game is already complete, you can't add more to its legacy.

The only thing against Dragon Quest is that you can't always get what you want as Sakurai learned it with Geno since Brawl, he may want Dragon Quest fondly but he may not get it, from either Nintendo executives or Square Enix.

In other words, when Nintendo reached Sakurai with the famous list, if there was Dragon Quest in it and any other Square Enix games too, Sakurai would pick Dragon Quest for sure in front of everything else.

Everything depends on what Nintendo thought was possible to negotiate and what Sakurai picked from.

Also, another thing about the Chrono port, it wasn't great at all. They got burned from that Chrono port when it came out. I don't know what it is about Square and their ports, or remastering games. They either be decent or just bad. I know quality probably doesn't matter in this sense for Smash, but I think it just goes to show how much Square seems to care about Chrono if they were able to put out that game like that. It just seemed like it didn't matter to them in the end at all. It was like, why do a port in the first place, if it wasn't going to at least be somewhat polished?
well Chrono Trigger was profitable for long, the investment at first is recovered since 23 years, so they don't have to give a **** about efforts or anything else as they can't lose money over any port of Chrono Trigger, as it costs none to them.
It's basically just bonus, that's why.
 
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Has anyone ever mentioned the possibility of a FFXIV character? A large pool of potential players, a strong way to cross promote both games...
 

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Characters must have at least ONE appearance on a Nintendo console, however, as evidenced by Sakurai mentioning Theathrhythm Final Fantasy in the Cloud interview. 2B still has yet to appear on a Nintendo console.

Or maybe that's just another dumb fan rule that can be broken. I don't know.

So I make it sound like Geno is more likely than Lara Croft? That's a bad thing to you?

I think I get it now; You took the wrap-up as a summation of the entire article. I called it "my thoughts" for a reason, because that's what it is: my thoughts based on the evidence that I've provided, with my own bias incorporated into that. Of course, your thoughts will be different from mine as you'll reach different conclusions with the evidence provided.

I understand that you don't like me, but at least read what I have to say, and if you disagree, provide me with evidence to refute my points instead of resorting to ad hominem and bashing my thoughts because they conflict with your's.
Refuting your points doesn't work. Anything I could say can be reflected with a "true, but however". That's just the convenient nature of speculation.
They still published multiple Dragon Quest games in the West, like the 3DS remakes of DQ7 and DQ8. I doubt that he is a problem.
besides what i want or not anyway, with the upmost honesty

Considering they brought Castlevania back alive in Smash, which is a legendary piece of video games.

The last legendary piece of video games lacking in the most ambitious Smash game ever is Dragon Quest, whether you like it or not (and i've never played a single one).

From the point of view of Sakurai, who sees his baby as the biggest video game cross over in history, his pride would want to get Dragon Quest in Smash. And the fact that it's "difficult" to get must challenge even more his pride.

Let's put it this way, if Dragon Quest was brought as 2nd character DLC, they could stop the dlcs right after as the game is already complete, you can't add more to its legacy.

The only thing against Dragon Quest is that you can't always get what you want as Sakurai learned it with Geno since Brawl, he may want Dragon Quest fondly but he may not get it, from either Nintendo executives or Square Enix.

In other words, when Nintendo reached Sakurai with the famous list, if there was Dragon Quest in it and any other Square Enix games too, Sakurai would pick Dragon Quest for sure in front of everything else.

Everything depends on what Nintendo thought was possible to negotiate and what Sakurai picked from.
Oh ****, I didn't know you were friend's with Sakurai! Surely that's why you know with such confidence that he'd pick Dragon Quest over Geno on a list, and you aren't just talking out your ass! I'm humbled to be in the grace of such a close friend of Sakurai's!
 

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Characters must have at least ONE appearance on a Nintendo console, however, as evidenced by Sakurai mentioning Theathrhythm Final Fantasy in the Cloud interview. 2B still has yet to appear on a Nintendo console.

Or maybe that's just another dumb fan rule that can be broken. I don't know.

So I make it sound like Geno is more likely than Lara Croft? That's a bad thing?

I think I get it now. You took the wrap-up as a summation of the entire article. I called it "my thoughts" for a reason; it is my thoughts based on the evidence that provided, with my own biases incorporated. Of course, your thoughts will be different from mine as you'll reach different conclusions with the same evidence. That's natural, and having differing opinions is okay and, in my opinion, actually better than conforming to one mindset as it challenges previously held beliefs and conceptions. In writing this post, I came to believe that Geno IS MORE LIKELY than I did in the past, so I find it funny you still think that I think so low of him.

I understand that you don't like me, but at least read what I have to say, and if you disagree, provide me with evidence to refute my points instead of resorting to ad hominem and bashing my thoughts because they conflict with your's.
If you've read his posts in the Geno thread and other places, and you honestly think he would leave his overly sensitive emotions and bias aside to rationalize this whether his character is deconfirmed or not, I must say, you are quite the optimist, to say the least.

I just have one thing to clarify on the FF part. While I agree with your choices for other FF titles (Terra would be my pick as well), Cloud's series symbol is the "FF" from the FF series logo. But both in-game and the blog lists his franchise as merely FFVII. If any FF character would get in, it would be one from that game. And being realistic here, it would be either Tifa or Sephiroth. Other characters from that game have no chance.
 
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Oh ****, I didn't know you were friend's with Sakurai! Surely that's why you know with such confidence that he'd pick Dragon Quest over Geno on a list, and you aren't just talking out your ***! I'm humbled to be in the grace of such a close friend of Sakurai's!
it's just common sense come on

you have a choice between a secondary character from a 23 years old dead game
and the most legendary video games serie of Japan

to get a representation in your big cross over game you've been polishing for years, having hard times bringing big characters like simon belmont, sonic, pacman, snake, etc...

Why would you choose Geno ?
Even if you prefer Geno, you put your bias aside and you take the other choice as it would put your game even more in the spotlight to unreachable levels
 

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it's just common sense come on

you have a choice between a secondary character from a 23 years old dead game
and the most legendary video games serie of Japan

to get a representation in your big cross over game you've been polishing for years, having hard times bringing big characters like simon belmont, sonic, pacman, snake, etc...

Why would you choose Geno ?
Even if you prefer Geno, you put your bias aside and you take the other choice as it would put your game even more in the spotlight to unreachable levels
Geno's bigger fanbase within the Smash community; for starters.
 
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Has anyone ever mentioned the possibility of a FFXIV character? A large pool of potential players, a strong way to cross promote both games...
From 14, that's a good question, in terms of Final Fantasy getting someone else, it seems to be the darkhorse choice when it comes to the speculation of a second Square character I don't see it as likely, but I don't see it as off the table either. It is currently the most on-going Final Fantasy game and it still gets promoted. Is there a particular character that you're interested in or are you just throwing it in there as a possibility? I'm curious.
 
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From 14, that's a good question, in terms of Final Fantasy getting someone else, it seems to be the darkhorse choice when it comes to the speculation of a second Square character I don't see it as likely, but I don't see it as off the table either. It is currently the most on-going Final Fantasy game and it still gets promoted. Is there a particular character that you're interested in or are you just throwing it in there as a possibility? I'm curious.
XIV is fourteen brudda.
Also to continue the discussion on it: It would be Y'shtola (am I writing it correctly)
I mean, she was the Dissidia NT rep from XIV
 

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which is coming only from the US, it's not very asked either in Europe and either in Japan
This is incorrect. You can find plenty of information that contradicts this in the Geno thread; by people who do far more research than I.
 
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Refuting your points doesn't work. Anything I could say can be reflected with a "true, but however". That's just the convenient nature of speculation.
So then what's the point of bashing on other's ideas? Is that "just the convenient nature of speculation?" Because it surely isn't; I've had insightful discussions with many members here where, while we disagreed, we were able to do so respectfully. No one here is personally attacking you or ****ting on Geno and his chances, so I don't understand why you lash out at others so easily. It doesn't offer anything constructive to the conversation and reflects poorly on you and, by virtue of association, the Geno and Smash Bros. fanbases.

Do you understand where I'm coming from here?
 

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So then what's the point of bashing on other's ideas? Is that "just the convenient nature of speculation?" Because it surely isn't; I've had insightful discussions with many members here where, while we disagreed, we were able to do so respectfully. No one here is personally attacking you or ****ting on Geno and his chances, so I don't understand why you lash out at others so easily. It doesn't offer anything constructive to the conversation and reflects poorly on you and, by virtue of association, the Geno and Smash Bros. fanbases.

Do you understand where I'm coming from here?
I mean of course I can comprehend your point. My opinion on if I agree is a separate matter, though I digress.

I'm just doing what I think is appropriate. Geno rarely get's a voice outside of his own thread; so I'll gladly take and refute any **** thrown his way.
 

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I'm just doing what I think is appropriate. Geno rarely get's a voice outside of his own thread; so I'll gladly take and refute any **** thrown his way
I take "Things that are not true since Brawl because everyone and their grandma who call themselves a smash fan predict Geno every game, every fake leak, every DLC, every time since 2008" for a million dollars.
 

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I take "Things that are not true since Brawl because everyone and their grandma who call themselves a smash fan predict Geno every game, every fake leak, every DLC, every time since 2008" for a million dollars.
Just because people predict it; doesn't make it the popular choice. A lot of Smash fans are indifferent, or even hate Geno.
 

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I think either Sora or Slime is the most likely scenario. As we saw from Joker, it's safe to say Nintendo is aiming for unexpected heavy hitter third parties that appeal to everyone and not just the hardcore Smash community bubble, so Sora would fit nicely due to many people writing him off simply because he's owned by Disney. Slime would also be unexpected as it would be a Piranha Plant type of deal, but it would represent the grandfather of JRPGs.

Also, I don't think Geno has a chance anymore. The spirit already put him in an unfavorable position, but now after the first DLC newcomer reveal, he's pretty much not happening. Not only that, but the majority of the Game Awards' audience don't even know who Geno is. If he was a first party character, he definitely would have gotten in by now.
 
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Just because people predict it; doesn't make it the popular choice. A lot of Smash fans are indifferent, or even hate Geno.
If so many people hate him, he wouldn't rank high in every newcomers poll my man.

Stop downplaying your Characters and fanbase that much.
Yes, in the grand schemes of things, for Square Enix he's a literal ****ing who.
But in terms of fanbase he's the biggest now after Ridley and K.Rool who are in Ultimate.
 
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