Sorcerer's 11 Open

[ranmaru]

I thought he was replacing out and didn't see the point in voting him if that was the case.

What did you think I meant?

I thought you were implicating him as possibility for being seer, as you were implicating me of being sorcerer. that struck me as a RAPID shift in your read.

However you were saying that the seer should go on one of them (correct?)

Correct, I'd never out the seer d1! It's suspicious to me that's what you thought I was doing and was Ok with it...

 

[ranmaru]

ranmaru Rule of 3?

What is Rule of 3?

 

[ranmaru]

For the future, we must ponder as to why Xiivi would suggest seer choices so early in the day. Then we must ponder why Pythag would have confusion with that, and the interaction seems odd when considering the setup, and what limits the sorcerer has.

 

[osieorb18]

What is Rule of 3?

This is hard theory here, but...

If a scum player lists three or more players as potential scum, at least one of those three or more players is probably scum.

When a town player makes the list, the probability is lower based on human behavioural patterns.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I'm completely on board with lynching Xivii.

If y'all could stop bloating the thread with meaningless drivel that would save me some precious minutes of my life.

 

[ranmaru]

I'm completely on board with lynching Xivii.

Than vote him, unless you suspect you'd have more support with your current vote.

 

[osieorb18]

I'm completely on board with lynching Xivii.

If y'all could stop bloating the thread with meaningless drivel that would save me some precious minutes of my life.

... Do you read your own signature?

 

[Xivii]

For the future, we must ponder as to why Xiivi would suggest seer choices so early in the day. Then we must ponder why Pythag would have confusion with that, and the interaction seems odd when considering the setup, and what limits the sorcerer has.

Particularly think: Why would town do this.

 

[osieorb18]

Particularly think: Why would town do this.

Softclaim of PR wasn't cute when Pythag did it, and it's even less cute when you do it.

 

[ranmaru]

I also think it's important to consider the timing, as well.

 

[osieorb18]

Seer softclaim in the early part of the day with no pressure on you? Uggh. No.

 

[osieorb18]

Seer softclaim in the early part of the day with no pressure on you? Uggh. No.

Followed by using it in part of an overreaction to low amounts of pressure in the later part of the day.

 

[ExLight]

and why would the cop not want to lynch the sorcerer D1 and guarantee 100% accurate results :v

 

[Xivii]

Ran, don't be manipulated by high post count. Osie has been leading us down the wrong path all day. Protecting every good lynch and pushing for every bad one.

 

[ranmaru]

That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting he notices a sorcerer buddy, and suggests choices for the sorcerer to check to see who may or may not be seer.

 

[ExLight]

That's not what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting he notices a sorcerer buddy, and suggests choices for the sorcerer to check to see who may or may not be seer.

ooh, I like this theory

 

[osieorb18]

and why would the cop not want to lynch the sorcerer D1 and guarantee 100% accurate results :v

I do think you're diving too far into that. Xivii appeared to be saying that we shouldn't lynch a sorcerer read over any wolf read.

 

[ranmaru]

Ran, don't be manipulated by high post count. Osie has been leading us down the wrong path all day. Protecting every good lynch and pushing for every bad one.

How is Pythag a bad one?

 

[ExLight]

I do think you're diving too far into that. Xivii appeared to be saying that we shouldn't lynch a sorcerer read over any wolf read.

sorcerer is still wolf and knows the whole team, they give as much if not more info than a wolf lynch because they keep trying to get their attention

 

[osieorb18]

Ran, don't be manipulated by high post count. Osie has been leading us down the wrong path all day. Protecting every good lynch and pushing for every bad one.

Got me. I'm pushing people and seeing what happens. I'm not progressing my reads at all from my pushes and those of others. I'm not forming reads at all, really. I'm just making it up as I go and trying to manipulate town all the way.

What a great analysis!

 

[ranmaru]

Kary: I am in total support of a Xiivi lynch
Also Kary: Doesn't vote Xiivi

 

[osieorb18]

sorcerer is still wolf and knows the whole team, they give as much if not more info than a wolf lynch because they keep trying to get their attention

Yeah, I don't agree with the idea that we shouldn't lynch someone day 1 if we think they are sorcerer and we don't have a wolfread, but I think Xivii was arguing that if we do have a wolfread we should go for that person. That said, I also think that we shouldn't be actively trying to sorcerer hunt this game at all, unless something obvious comes up.

 

[ExLight]

I don't get why we shouldn't be aiming to take the sorcerer D1 since they're easier to spot in day phases, especially when we don't risk having a false check on them, and can reveal pretty much the entire team with their interactions; saying that we should prioritize normal wolves seems counterproductive to me and I don't see why someone softing seer would prefer to not shoot something that can hurt their role

Kary: I am in total support of a Xiivi lynch
Also Kary: Doesn't vote Xiivi

are they still voting UP?
did he get kinda quiet all of sudden or am I going crazy

 

[osieorb18]

Kary: I am in total support of a Xiivi lynch
Also Kary: Doesn't vote Xiivi

Somewhere to look later. Get with me on Xivii.

Wiisp Raxxel funnier6 You too.

 

[osieorb18]

I don't get why we shouldn't be aiming to take the sorcerer D1 since they're easier to spot in day phases, especially when we don't risk having a false check on them, and can reveal pretty much the entire team with their interactions; saying that we should prioritize normal wolves seems counterproductive to me and I don't see why someone softing seer would prefer to not shoot something that can hurt their role

Sorcerer hunting is kinda like most neutral third party hunting. It's more of a waste of time for most of the game, particularly early on, in multiball setups because it's less directly helpful to the town win condition.

 

[osieorb18]

Sorcerer hunting is kinda like most neutral third party hunting. It's more of a waste of time for most of the game, particularly early on, in multiball setups because it's less directly helpful to the town win condition.

And there's also more wine there.

 

[ranmaru]

Kary is still voting UP. UP hasn't talked since the Pythag votes.

 

[Xivii]

How is Pythag a bad one?

You know you're in that tunnel phase you reach every game where in the back of your mind you know you're wrong but still can't let go. You know deep in your heart that Xivii-pythag doesn't fit. You've fallen off the path. Your fancy for the enchantress (osie) had led you astray. Your Kary-Xivii theory is also silly. You're just trying to make pieces fit that don't. I understand the need to want to make things fit. But believe me, you're wrong. And it's not too late to come back to the light.

You do this every game haha.

 

[osieorb18]

I just realized why this game feels less meaty. Nobody else has really been throwing their vote around. Not even Wisp, who's like the master of that.

 

[ExLight]

Kary is still voting UP. UP hasn't talked since the Pythag votes.

sus

 

[osieorb18]

You know you're in that tunnel phase you reach every game where in the back of your mind you know you're wrong but still can't let go. You know deep in your heart that Xivii-pythag doesn't fit. You've fallen off the path. Your fancy for the enchantress (osie) had led you astray. Your Kary-Xivii theory is also silly. You're just trying to make pieces fit that don't. I understand the need to want to make things fit. But believe me, you're wrong. And it's not too late to come back to the light.

You do this every game haha.

Now THIS is TMI.

 

[ranmaru]

I agree with Ex. Taking out Sorcerer hurts the scum hard. Absolute results for seer, and no way for scum to check for seer at all.

 

[Xivii]

Now THIS is TMI.

Ran is Innocent Child for me. He's actually the easiest person to read in mafia and also someone that can be consistently read with meta.

 

[osieorb18]

I agree with Ex. Taking out Sorcerer hurts the scum hard. Absolute results for seer, and no way for scum to check for seer at all.

I agree that it's a good move but I don't think it should be a primary goal for any day phase.

 

[osieorb18]

Ran is Innocent Child for me. He's actually the easiest person to read in mafia and also someone that can be consistently read with meta.

I agree that Ranmaru is overly focused on Pythag, but I think that ruling Ranmaru out entirely is premature and the fact that you did it without thinking goes along with the idea that you KNOW people's alignments.

 

[Xivii]

Got me. I'm pushing people and seeing what happens. I'm not progressing my reads at all from my pushes and those of others. I'm not forming reads at all, really. I'm just making it up as I go and trying to manipulate town all the way.

What a great analysis!

Don't get me wrong, this applies whether your town or scum. You've consistently led us down the wrong path today.

Also this pattern is common among people who say things like this:

I love probably catching the entire scumteam on Day 1.

 

[ranmaru]

You do this every game haha.

The more time passes and the more I re-think it I think Pythag and Kary fit. How are you feeling about Kary?

 

[osieorb18]

Ran is Innocent Child for me. He's actually the easiest person to read in mafia and also someone that can be consistently read with meta.

Also I like how you do the same thing that Pythag did but way more subtly, again hinting that you know I'm town while trying to keep it from being explicit.

 

[Wiisp]

Xivii you are like threading the line right now
You are borderline tmi'ing people, and I am really indifferent about it

 

[osieorb18]

Also I like how you do the same thing that Pythag did but way more subtly, again hinting that you know I'm town while trying to keep it from being explicit.

EBWODP: That Pythag seemed to do to Poyzin.