Sorcerer's 11 Open

[ranmaru]

Unvote; Vote: Exlight

 

[ExLight]

>Scumreads 3 players
>2/3 of said players scumread the other one
>"aight, if most of the people I'm scumreading are scumreading this guy he CLEARLY is scum and the other two are super town"

ayy
provocations apart, care to elaborate what dropped me to the end of the list?

 

[ranmaru]

You're in the same position right now. Pythag doesn't scum read you. I think it's likely ZZ5 and you are buddies. My reasoning is clear for why I'm voting you, and your latest response is not good. #720

[ZZ5 > ExLight > Funnier > Pythag]

 

[ExLight]

You're in the same position right now. Pythag doesn't scum read you. I think it's likely ZZ5 and you are buddies. My reasoning is clear for why I'm voting you, and your latest response is not good. #720

[ZZ5 > ExLight > Funnier > Pythag]

why you're not voting for Sakurai if you think me and him are buddies then? He already has a wagon on him lol
I feel like you're taking something to the personal side of things and I have no idea why

 

[ranmaru]

I already was, and I think voting you now is a productive use of my vote.

 

[ExLight]

I already was, and I think voting you now is a productive use of my vote.

hmm, mkay then
I don't see how reducing your main scumread's wagon is productive but whatever

 

[ranmaru]

Why haven't you responded to #687?

 

[ExLight]

Why haven't you responded to #687?

that post is a complete mess and I didn't even bother reading it yet
and I was in the gym and my entire body hurts so give me a few many mins to recover before I try thinking straight ok thanks

 

[ranmaru]

Yet you cared more about my vote on you than his response to your push on him.

 

[ExLight]

Yet you cared more about my vote on you than his response to your push on him.

I just found funny that someone who asks so much for explanations didn't provide one for his change of votes lmao

 

[ExLight]

just read his #687 post

there's nothing for me to respond to

I still don't follow the Xivii+Lore aren't scumbuds, but he makes a fair point about the meme chart
in my defense, just because evil =/= scum that doesn't mean I can't use their scumminess as one aspect to rate them as evil

What I meant was something along, like: I'm null-scumleaning funnier and xivii, per exemple, but they were both "Good" in the chart
Just because they're not "evil" doesn't mean I can't scumread them

 

[ExLight]

I think I worded that super poorly :surppika:

Evil -> might be evil cuz I'm seeing as scummy
good and neutral can still be scummy to me

I'll rest a bit and I'll try to rephrase it later

 

[ranmaru]

Since I have reasoning given before, and plenty of progression, it's fine. If I didn't have reasoning or progression before, I would have given it in the same post. I think it's concerning that you neglect to respond to Pythag but once you see 700, you start posting in thread. It shows you don't care to sort him. If you did, you'd be responding and trying to understand his mindset.

 

[ExLight]

Since I have reasoning given before, and plenty of progression, it's fine. If I didn't have reasoning or progression before, I would have given it in the same post. I think it's concerning that you neglect to respond to Pythag but once you see 700, you start posting in thread. It shows you don't care to sort him. If you did, you'd be responding and trying to understand his mindset.

I just didn't care to read that mess of a post on mobile because it looked, well, a mess lol
to make thing worse the forum was having some issue and making it extra hard cuz twas chopping the quotes in it and not allowing me to expand them, which made knowing the context of some of their arguments unknown

 

[ranmaru]

I'll also take a break from thread for a bit.

 

[ExLight]

What do you think of this ExLight ExLight ? I didn’t see you comment on it. Am I WW?

I mean I'm scumreading you too so I like it
and he provided some explanation for his vote so
am I supposed to do or think something specific

I kinda wish they explained more their thoughts and reads on other players instead of just "Yes."sing me tho
but eh

 

[osieorb18]

Back from an hour long talk about scholarships.

I think you are creating a false dilemma. Day one is the only day where you don’t have hard confirmed evidence that somebody is or isn’t mafia. I’m not the seer so I wouldn’t know either.

By “maybe town” I’m talking about reads that are town leaned and there is no convincing reason to vote for somebody. Like if somebody is probably scum and there isn’t a good reason to keep them around on Day 1, then we can lynch them. But if there is a good case for somebody being town and the only reason to lynch them is INFO, then I can’t support it.

Yeah, but there isn't a good case for Lore being town. I'll know probably by 12 hours to EoD if there's a good case for Wiisp being town.

 

[osieorb18]

The false dilemma is between “maybe town” and “absolutely certain of scum”. There is definitely a range in between.

I think that's more on you not defining what you mean your terminology then.

 

[osieorb18]

Idk what Py meant by similar, but I meant the idea that voting Lore after they left to not leave an inactive around just wasting a slot was the common aspect between my commentary and your vote

If you were voting Lore just and purely because you were "taking a random guess because it's D1" then I'm not sure why you tried to provide a different explanation in your vote post eh

let's be honest tho, he's just trying to save his own ass and I ain't jabbing noone lmfao
no need to come with two or three excuses

Where is the drive for this much aggression? Like, you're not under any significant pressure yet today, and lashing out at the person who is the highest wagon doesn't make sense.

 

[osieorb18]

Poach?

Recruit for games on other sites.

 

[Xivii]

Recruit for games on other sites.

Who else did you were you planning to poach?

 

[Xivii]

did you / were you

 

[Xivii]

cool down test 1

 

[Xivii]

cool down test 2

 

[Xivii]

I don't have any cool down

 

[osieorb18]

Why pop in to defend the chart? Why defend it incorrectly?

I may have read too much into:

side note that none of that is alignment indicative ok so evil =/= scum

But my impression from their post was that most if not all of it was based more on avatars than on actual reads.

 

[Xivii]

Must be a thing depending on # of posts you have

 

[osieorb18]

Who else did you were you planning to poach?

Oof. If I answer this and miss someone, I look like an asshole. Anyone is welcome. A few people caught my eye.

 

[osieorb18]

I don't have any cool down

I have a cooldown of over a minute. Probably 75-90 seconds. It's very aggravating.

 

[osieorb18]

How is this coming along?

It didn't, but I just looked back and thought about it. I don't even think it's that it's scummy so much as it makes me think that ExLight is a sociopath.

 

[osieorb18]

Hi everyone, I'll start rereading tonight after work
If someone can tell me if there is an iso on this site, and how to use it, that would be much appreciated

Think MAL. It's XenForo without any of the features we have, so no post expansion (Makaze) on searches, no ISO buttons (Makaze), no auto-expanded quotes, limited back-to-top buttons, no Who Replied?, no Threadmarks, no auto vote-counter...

 

[osieorb18]

Also any important info I should know would be great as well

I have a hard scumread on your slot. Some other players have soft townleans You have roughly 48 hours (less than that really) in which to change my read to a hard townread with the understanding that I have the best ability to read you out of anyone in the thread. If you are town, you might be able to pull that off in 24 hours.

 

[Wiisp]

Lets start off with an easy question to everyone
Why is my slot being voted?

Z25 - 4 - Kary, Xivii, UtopianPoyzin, Ranmaru
Lore - 3 - RaxxeL, osieorb18, Z25
funnier6 - 1 - Pythag
ExLight - 1 - funnier6
Pythag - 1 - ExLight
osieorb18 - 1 - Lore

debating just placing my vote on Z25

Remembering their plays as scum, I think the idea that they left after being tunneled as scum makes a lot of sense.

this post is honestly disgusting

ZZ5 is a better candidate than Lore because he's voting with interest in saving his own tail rather than progress the game for town. Lore, voted in a manner which is anti-town, but also against the interests of scum, and he stuck to his direction after you posted the long haiku.

so self-preserving is bad???
what exactly did my slot do that is anti-town, but also not wolfy?

osieorb18

from what I can get at, a lot of the votes on my slot seem to stem from their frustration with Osie's haiku's, honestly I think there are more frustrating formats in this game, looking at you Z25, knowing my slot's alignment now, he is just frustrated that no one is listening to/understanding him

 

[ExLight]

But my impression from their post was that most if not all of it was based more on avatars than on actual reads.

it was actually more overall behaviour, but it had a bunch of factors involved
per exemple, you were listed as chaotic good because you here contributing but were posting in that haiku format which is just chaotic

the avatars are some excuse to put some people on the evil, yea, blue flame guy and red woman were nulls for me at the time I made that chart per example

Where is the drive for this much aggression? Like, you're not under any significant pressure yet today, and lashing out at the person who is the highest wagon doesn't make sense.

I'm always under significant pressure in my head
I literally said in my meta that I panic and get paranoid easily

 

[Wiisp]

I have a hard scumread on your slot. Some other players have soft townleans You have roughly 48 hours (less than that really) in which to change my read to a hard townread with the understanding that I have the best ability to read you out of anyone in the thread. If you are town, you might be able to pull that off in 24 hours.

its not really up to me, I mean I think its 50/50 in most scenarios, but since I can't really answer for Lore, I will blame everyone else voting me
its funny that I seemed to replace a slot that sounds exactly like me when I get emotionally frustrated as either alignment
Ill see what I can do though

 

[Pythag]

I may have read too much into:



But my impression from their post was that most if not all of it was based more on avatars than on actual reads.

Have you ever played with Exlight before?

 

[osieorb18]

from what I can get at, a lot of the votes on my slot seem to stem from their frustration with Osie's haiku's, honestly I think there are more frustrating formats in this game, looking at you Z25, knowing my slot's alignment now, he is just frustrated that no one is listening to/understanding him

Having that frustration is not alignment indicative by itself, but the way it was expressed is not particularly townie.

 

[Wiisp]

given I dont have a town read, nor a PR read on Z25
I am in self-preservation mod for now
I do think that his comment in regards to my alignment based on replacing out, is a wild read
I do not yet know if it has to come from a wolf or a town
I think a wolf making that kind of read is less likely?
but the post itself is quite disgusting
vote: Z25

L1
also putting him at L1 this early is exciting*

edit: added a word

 

[osieorb18]

Have you ever played with Exlight before?

Not as far as I know.

 

[Wiisp]

Having that frustration is not alignment indicative by itself, but the way it was expressed is not particularly townie.

can you point to where you get his vibe?

also I have a post restriction as of current, IDK if thats linked to being a new account or not