Sonic and The Black Knight

[TheMagicalKuja]

^Quite frankly I have never seen such horrible rose-tinted glasses. You act like Sonic 3 and Knuckles rehashes are the only thing that can happen to save the series. You really think Sega would be competent enough to handle that right now? Go play some fangames and leave the rest of the fandom alone.

 

[Cat Fight]

What's wrong with Werehog? WEREHOG IS SONIC. SONIC TURNS INTO WEREHOG AT NIGHT. This is a mere theory of mine, but I'm nearly positive it's true. If Werehog is Sonic, you tell ME, what's wrong with it?

Fast-paced or not, (which I honestly don't think is the only thing necessary for a good Sonic game; if you do, you're sad, not us) the game looks awful. Sega can't make a good Sonic game because they have a history of not doing so.

If you're a long-time fan of the series, then I believe you're sad for having confidence in a company which has screwed Sonic over in just about every way possible. If you're not a long-time fan, I don't believe you should be talking since you clearly don't know what a GOOD Sonic game is.

Perhaps you didn't catch the sarcasm in my post. Sonic Adventure =/= fast paced. The Werehog is a nod towards the SA themed adventure hence he's slow and walks around and combos etc. Never did I state that fast paced = good Sonic game.

Alas, yr statements as to why the Werehog is a bad idea are probably the worst I've ever read. "He's a Werehog! Sonic turns into a Werehog! Bad game! Omfg so terrible!". Amazing deductions!

Sonic Rush dev team has not screwed us over the least bit, and the fact that you refuse to play/buy their installments in the Sonic series, as I would hope, a fan of the series, tells me that you really should just stop posting about this game.

Like I said, if SRDT is responsible for this game, bet on it being good.

There's a difference between trying something new and screwing it over. And honestly, with their recent success, they should try building a GOOD GAME once before they start putting new ideas into the games again.

Look, I've heard great things about Sonic Rush. But I honestly don't care.

Welp, glad I don't have to read yr posts anymore.

Take Kuja's advise and go play fan made games if all yr looking for is Sonic 3 with more platforms and Shadow, Rouge, along with all those ****ty characters.

 

[Firus]

^Quite frankly I have never seen such horrible rose-tinted glasses. You act like Sonic 3 and Knuckles rehashes are the only thing that can happen to save the series. You really think Sega would be competent enough to handle that right now? Go play some fangames and leave the rest of the fandom alone.

Did I say that? No, I don't believe I did. I have in fact, decided against any sort of remake of Sonic 3 & Knuckles because they would, for sure, mess it up. They don't seem competent to handle anything at the moment. I'm saying that they shouldn't be trying huge, gigantic changes like the Werehog or SWORDPLAY (especially given their success with the last weapon-based title) in the titles because they can't do anything right, and adding new things certainly isn't going to help them. Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps they can handle it. Maybe trying new things is the best way to go. But they shouldn't be going so drastically.

And thank you very much, I don't like fangames. I don't want to play fangames. I don't want Sonic 3 remakes. I want a GOOD, NEW, game. SA2 is a relatively new game, and it was pretty good. I want something like that (not necessarily the same type of game, just a good, new game). I love the retro Sonics to death and I wish they would realize what was good about those games instead of blindly guessing and saying that Sonic being the only character makes it good.

Perhaps you didn't catch the sarcasm in my post. Sonic Adventure =/= fast paced. The Werehog is a nod towards the SA themed adventure hence he's slow and walks around and combos etc. Never did I state that fast paced = good Sonic game.

I did indeed catch your sarcasm. I thought you were saying Sonic Adventure was bad and...well, now that I re-read the post, I realize what you were saying, and I'm sorry.

My problem is not with the Werehog gameplay, but the fact that there is a Werehog at all. Is that not the most ridiculous idea? I get the idea that you like ridiculous ideas, but I just...maybe I'll be proved wrong, and I pray to god that I will be, but I don't see any good coming out of something like this.

Alas, yr statements as to why the Werehog is a bad idea are probably the worst I've ever read. "He's a Werehog! Sonic turns into a Werehog! Bad game! Omfg so terrible!". Amazing deductions!

Sonic Rush dev team has not screwed us over the least bit, and the fact that you refuse to play/buy their installments in the Sonic series, as I would hope, a fan of the series, tells me that you really should just stop posting about this game.

Like I said, if SRDT is responsible for this game, bet on it being good.

The "Werehog" part should speak for itself. Maybe I think differently from you, clearly I do, but I think that saying that Sonic changes into a Werehog says "This is going to be terrible" by itself.

And I am not sure where you heard that I said that I'm refusing to buy the games. In fact, I believe that I've said somewhere else that I've been meaning to pick up the games and just haven't gotten around to it. I apologize, there are more important things than video games that I have to spend my money on sometimes. It's unfortunate, but it happens. I don't think it's fair to say I'm not allowed to discuss a game because I'm not made of money.

Welp, glad I don't have to read yr posts anymore.

Take Kuja's advise and go play fan made games if all yr looking for is Sonic 3 with more platforms and Shadow, Rogue, along with all those ****ty characters.

What, you're going to ignore me because I disagree with you? That's mature. I'm not flaming you. I don't see why ignoring me is any sort of way to go.

You seem to be making a million assumptions about what I want without truly understanding it. I don't want new characters. I'd be FINE if Shadow and Rouge fell off the face of the earth. Are they okay characters compared to Silver and Blaze? Yeah. But I'd be more than happy to see Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles be the only characters in the game.

I hate it when people make assumptions and call you ignorant based on what they've assumed.

 

[Cat Fight]

What, you're going to ignore me because I disagree with you? That's mature. I'm not flaming you. I don't see why ignoring me is any sort of way to go.

You know that Sonic Rush/SRA are greats game, yet, still choose to neglect its greatness and how it was a step up from how terrible the recent Sonic games were.

You saying "I don't care" means a lot. Would you be happier if Sonic team just stopped making games all together? If you had payed attention to SR/SRA, you would see that they are trying to bring Sonic back to his original glory. And I have faith in them for atleast trying, whereas it seems you are pessimistic about every little new aspect that is introduced into the series. New ideas doesn't necessarily mean they are on the road to making another "bad game".

Give 'em a chance for christ sake.

I apologize if my post came off as offensive, but when people just give up on a series that has given us more amazing titles than it has terrible, it's rather depressing.

They're trying out new things, it's obvious and painful sometimes. Heroes, Riders, all that... yes, I admit they were bad.

But even if they had brought back a 2D sidescroller rehash of the old games, not everyone would be pleased. In fact, it would turn into something where everyone would nitpick at things that should have/could have/would have been to make the game better. That is why they are TRYING to do something new.

They just haven't had much success lately. :"|

 

[Firus]

You know that Sonic Rush/SRA are greats game, yet, still choose to neglect its greatness and how it was a step up from how terrible the recent Sonic games were.

I'm honestly not trying to neglect anything. I've heard good things about the games, but I've not played them myself. I'd like to get around to doing so, but until I do I can't really pass judgment and say they've improved. Since I've seen nothing else great from Sega, I'm certainly not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. I'd like to, but that day and age has passed.

You saying "I don't care" means a lot. Would you be happier if Sonic team just stopped making games all together? If you had payed attention to SR/SRA, you would see that they are trying to bring Sonic back to his original glory. And I have faith in them for atleast trying, whereas it seems you are pessimistic about every little new aspect that is introduced into the series. New ideas doesn't necessarily mean they are on the road to making another "bad game".

Give 'em a chance for christ sake.

I don't care because I've merely HEARD good things about Sonic Rush, and just because one or two good games were made doesn't mean every game from there on out is going to be good. Example: The Metroid Prime series (the real games) were awesome. Yet, Metroid Prime Hunters was a huge flop.

Yes, they are TRYING to bring Sonic back to his original glory. But they were also trying with Sonic and the Secret Rings. I had faith in them and then I got that game. That game killed the faith I had that trying to bring him back to his roots would actually work.

Truth is, I'm pessimistic and not giving them much of a chance because just about every video game from just about every game company has taken a decline. Casual gamers have taken over the market, and video games have taken a turn for the worst. Until I see improvement in the market altogether, but especially from Sega, yes, I'm going to be pessimistic. I'm a pessimistic person by default, and I can only be optimistic if I'm given a reason to do so. I've lost most of my faith in Nintendo, but from what I've seen of Animal Crossing: City Folk, I'm pretty much impressed and am optimistic. Sonic Unleashed/Sonic and the Black Knight haven't done much of that.

I apologize if my post came off as offensive, but when people just give up on a series that has given us more amazing titles than it has terrible, it's rather depressing.

They're trying out new things, it's obvious and painful sometimes. Heroes, Riders, all that... yes, I admit they were bad.

But even if they had brought back a 2D sidescroller rehash of the old games, not everyone would be pleased. In fact, it would turn into something where everyone would nitpick at things that should have/could have/would have been to make the game better. That is why they are TRYING to do something new.

They just haven't had much success lately. :"|

I've not given up quite yet. I'm very close to doing so, but if I had given up I wouldn't even give Unleashed a shot. I won't give them the benefit of the doubt and buy it wiithout trying it, but I'm going to rent it before I say it's definitely going to be awful.

Again, I'm not really asking for a 2D sidescroller. Do I love them? Yes. But again, Sonic Adventure 2 was great. If they can just make a solid game, then I'll be happy.
Maybe it's wrong of me to practically give up on them. But I'm a pessimist, what can I say?

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Well, you being a natural pessimist explains... a lot, really. Maybe video games ain't your thing anymore, lapsing out, all that good stuff. You should take a break. Come back when you feel like it, something changes, or whatnot.

This coming from someone who wants to dive in headfirst into the industry, maybe not the best advice but whatever.

 

[Firus]

Video games are really the only true passion I have. I may steer away from playing newer games for a while, until the industry comes back to what it used to be (if it ever does). I'll certainly buy newer games, but after being so disappointed recently, I'm going to be much more careful about what I buy.

EDIT: It's all been confirmed. http://kotaku.com/5027206/sonic-and-the-black-knight-isnt-a-bad-dream

And this quote

After the success of Sonic and the Secret Rings we’re delighted to announce a second title in the Storybook Series,” said Gary Knight, European Marketing Director, SEGA Europe, “Following Sonic on his way to knighthood will excite players of all ages.

Makes me want to shoot myself. First of all, they're making a SEQUEL to that...that...that BLEMISH?! And Sonic's on his way to KNIGHTHOOD?! R.I.P. Sega's credibility.

 

[LP4Life666]

As I said in my (now locked) thread:

Are all Sonic games in the current and upcoming generations destined to ruin Sonic's reputation even more? Or does Sonic holding a sword or transforming into a Werehog (lol) sound appealing to you?

I'm an old-school gamer. I love the retro-classics and the characters that made gaming great in the first place. With that said, I would like to say this: Everyone knows what Sonic fans want, and that is SPEED. Enough of these crazy gimmicks they keep pressing onto poor Sonic. It's about time we go back to good old-fashioned 2-D sonic of his golden days.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Calm down guys. Sega has put this in another series of games called the storybook series. Meaning that, we'll hopefully still get good games like Unleashed (I saw a gameplay trailer for that and it looked fantastic), but these will still come out.

The first one in the storybook series was hit or miss for people. Miss for most, but for the people who liked it, they liked it a lot.

 

[Zook]

Eh, as long as this game brings back the Chao Garden system, I'll buy it.

 

[Bowser King]

lolz I would always go to that desert stage in SA2 and break the box, take the cheetah/ tiger then reset and do it again. I would find a stage to do this for each stat . My chaos are omega strong. They could add wifi chao karate and race.

 

[Firus]

Calm down guys. Sega has put this in another series of games called the storybook series. Meaning that, we'll hopefully still get good games like Unleashed (I saw a gameplay trailer for that and it looked fantastic), but these will still come out.

The first one in the storybook series was hit or miss for people. Miss for most, but for the people who liked it, they liked it a lot.

Unleashed, I'm still pretty on the fence about. Last time they claimed that Secret Rings was bringing Sonic back to his roots, too. Why should I believe them now? And I guess they figured out everyone thought Secret Rings was a piece of crap because they've decided to classify it as a spinoff. Last time I heard nothing of the sort.

Quite honestly, I'm not entirely impressed with how the "Storybook series" is going. It looks to me like some sort of educational game, in a way. Let's learn about the Arabian Nights! Now let's learn about King Arthur! Oookaay...

Eh, as long as this game brings back the Chao Garden system, I'll buy it.

They won't. I don't think they ever will unless they make Sonic Adventure 3. In an interview with Nintendo Power before Sonic Heroes, they said that the Chao Garden wouldn't be in Heroes because that was a Sonic Adventure thing.

By the way, since it's been confirmed, this thread should probably be renamed "Sonic & The Black Knight".

 

[Deleted member]

Hm let's see...
The game is called Sonic and the Black Knight
Sonic's sword is suspiciously like Alondite, the Black Knight's blade from Fire Emblem 9.
This game is Wii-exclusive, and Fire Emblem is made by Nintendo.

So thus, the evidence is obvious.

Sonic Emblem is the only choice.

I predict that Shadow will have the characteristics of an archer.
Tails will be a mage-like character.
Knuckles will wield an axe.
Big the Cat will appear as a knight, making his first non-sucky appearance.
Silver will appear as a light mage, but no one will use him because he still sucks.


Oh, and here's some leaked gameplay footage I found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNST2s4p8s

Spoiler

Spoilers to Path of Radiance

No way! They stole that from fire emblem? Those jerks at Sega must pay

 

[Firus]

Sonic News: Sonic, using his newfound sword, fights for his friends!

But yeah. I think it's official that this game is going to be pretty bad. I can't believe they didn't pay attention to the last failure with weapons in a Sonic game.

Well, it might be kind of fun, depending on how they do it. But...not for a Sonic game.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

http://www.blueblur.org/2008/07/21/sonic-and-the-black-knight-nintendo-power-details/

Now you can go see how gameplay flows.

Strangely enough, sounds more fun than Unleashed does despite some lol character decisions (OH NOEZ, A TALKING SWORD THE GAME IS RUINED)

 

[Cat Fight]

There's a vid up on Gamekyo I think but I'm on my Wii and unable to watch it. :"{

Lemme know how it is guys - I like what I see/read so far.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

A vid? I see none, but I see a lot of pics.

 

[Firus]

Strangely enough, sounds more fun than Unleashed does despite some lol character decisions (OH NOEZ, A TALKING SWORD THE GAME IS RUINED)

It sounds pretty fun, but still. It's sort of ridiculous.

And uh...I'm sure that's sarcasm about the characters, and a talking sword is freaking ridiculous. I know a talking hedgehog is, too, but at least hedgehogs are living. That's just hokey.

 

[Spire]

Horrible.

The video game market should just completely stop for a few years, then start completely over.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Hold on, this game may have hope yet. It said in the article that Sonic will be moved with the Control stick. No bull**** motion controls.

Some of my skepticism has been relieved. But, I still think this will fail.

 

[Mic_128]

http://www.blueblur.org/2008/07/21/sonic-and-the-black-knight-nintendo-power-details/

Had to laugh when I read this.

”When people see that Sonic is wielding a sword, they’ll probably have certain expectations of the multiplayer mode. And all I can say is that we’re thinking along those same lines.”

Most people's expectations when they see Sonic wielding a sword was 'this sucks' and if they're thinking along the same lines as we are...

 

[Firus]

Hold on, this game may have hope yet. It said in the article that Sonic will be moved with the Control stick. No bull**** motion controls.

Some of my skepticism has been relieved. But, I still think this will fail.

Yeah, that's one promising aspect.

Even so, we know for a fact that we have motion controls with the sword. Meaning that they probably removed movement controls for the battling ones.

Had to laugh when I read this.

”When people see that Sonic is wielding a sword, they’ll probably have certain expectations of the multiplayer mode. And all I can say is that we’re thinking along those same lines.”

Most people's expectations when they see Sonic wielding a sword was 'this sucks' and if they're thinking along the same lines as we are...

Yeah, that's exactly how I was thinking....I didn't even GET to multiplayer mode, though. Maybe it'll be like Shadow the Hedgehog's multiplayer. What was that like again..?

Yeah, that was pretty forgettable.

When did multiplayer become a big thing with Sonic anyways? Bah. Co-Op should be the only type of multiplayer, like in Sonic 2 and 3.

 

[Mic_128]

Sonic Adventure 2 multiplayer was fun, racing to the finish.

Shadow's was a horribly lame 1v1 Deathmatch.

 

[Bowser King]

SA2 had a fun multiplayer. There was a good variety of racing stages to (like a grinding stage and a snowboarding stage). Shadow's was extremely stupid. The guns were useless when compared to someone who would only spam homing attack....

 

[Spire]

Sonic Adventure 2 multiplayer was fun, racing to the finish.

Shadow's was a horribly lame 1v1 Deathmatch.

Alas, SA2 is the greatest 3D Sonic game to date. I could do treasure hunting for hours as it sported the best looking stages in my opinion.

Sonic Unleashed, while in its early stages of development, was to be titled "Sonic Adventure 3", but changed as the concept of the game changed. Seeing as how the game takes you all around the world, that would be quite relevant to the Sonic Adventure series, but I suppose the style of play is what influenced the name change, amongst other changes. All in all, I would love to see a SA3.

Furthermore, has anyone noticed how similar the story mode layouts in both SA2 and SSE are very similar. You start at a "civilized" area on the left side of the map, then venture out into the wild areas and what not as you head towards the right side of the map, where you then go into space, which actually makes Sonic's "subspace introduction" a tad bit more relevant, if stretched quite a bit.

 

[Bowser King]

Alas, SA2 is the greatest 3D Sonic game to date. I could do treasure hunting for hours as it sported the best looking stages in my opinion.

Sonic Unleashed, while in its early stages of development, was to be titled "Sonic Adventure 3", but changed as the concept of the game changed. Seeing as how the game takes you all around the world, that would be quite relevant to the Sonic Adventure series, but I suppose the style of play is what influenced the name change, amongst other changes. All in all, I would love to see a SA3.

Furthermore, has anyone noticed how similar the story mode layouts in both SA2 and SSE are very similar. You start at a "civilized" area on the left side of the map, then venture out into the wild areas and what not as you head towards the right side of the map, where you then go into space, which actually makes Sonic's "subspace introduction" a tad bit more relevant, if stretched quite a bit.

It's my favourite 3-D as well. The original was kind of boring you had fishing levels in a sonic game. It was also the introduction to weapons in sonic games. Training chaos was a fun pass time and it caused a lot of replay value. Bring that back in SA3.


They actually are pretty similar. They have those forest stages about half way in the game which is in SSE as well. The space station is similar to the bomb factory stages.

 

[Spire]

I just got the new issue of Nintendo Power, and you know what? This game really doesn't look that bad. I won't compare it to Secret Rings, because I never played that game, but I'm starting to like this "Storybook" concept. Yeah, it may not be the Sonic that we've grown up with and loved, but this is a different and new approach to the blue blur. It's taking a character we all know, retaining his overall speed component, and twisting it with a new and different idea.

Honestly, I would not want to fight Ganon over and over and over, and Hyrule itself can get boring. That's why Majora's Mask was refreshing, because it changed everything. I support the change in the Sonic series. You know, sometimes there are better alternatives than taking the safeboat back to one's roots. If you can't build up the guts to sail away from your island, then you'll never see the world. While this game looked "eh" at first, I now think that it has great potential, especially as a follow-up to Secret Rings, and while that game came out of no where as a strange Sonic spin-off, this game is now following it up, and buckling the Storybook saga as its own entity, just as the Sonic Adventure series is its own entity.

There was a huge difference between SA and SA2, the second being so much better, so hopefully this game will top Secret Rings.

 

[SkylerOcon]

I actually liked SA1 the best, but to each his own I suppose.

I still don't think that this game will do well. I haven't gotten my NP yet, so I'll decide when I can read the article.

 

[omfgomfg]

i better see some alondite in this
i mean seriously ike better be in this too with ragnell

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Sonic should pwn Micaiah, that obnoxious Mary Sue! *shakes old school FE fanboy fist*

 

[Chris Lionheart]

Hm let's see...
The game is called Sonic and the Black Knight
Sonic's sword is suspiciously like Alondite, the Black Knight's blade from Fire Emblem 9.
This game is Wii-exclusive, and Fire Emblem is made by Nintendo.

So thus, the evidence is obvious.

Sonic Emblem is the only choice.

I predict that Shadow will have the characteristics of an archer.
Tails will be a mage-like character.
Knuckles will wield an axe.
Big the Cat will appear as a knight, making his first non-sucky appearance.
Silver will appear as a light mage, but no one will use him because he still sucks.


Oh, and here's some leaked gameplay footage I found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNST2s4p8s

Spoiler

Spoilers to Path of Radiance

HAHAHA Sonic WISHES it could be Fire Emblem.

But your evidence is seriously staggering... well except for that gamplay footage... that dissapointed me.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Hmm, maybe I should practice by fighting Ike with Sonic/beam saber...

 

[Black Magician]

Sonic...with a sword?!

They're just getting further and further away from the excellent games that made him a success in the first place.

 

[Deleted member]

The suprise special guest.

 

[Firus]

Sonic Adventure 2 multiplayer was fun, racing to the finish.

Shadow's was a horribly lame 1v1 Deathmatch.

Yeah, SA2's Multiplayer was really great. If they could somehow recreate that in a game, I'd love for them to do so (not exactly, but the same type of system). However, Sonic with a sword doesn't exactly spell that, which is what I'm referring to.

EDIT: I just got my Nintendo Power and I have to respectfully disagree with Spire. While they do indicate that they intend to maintain the speed aspect, they just seem so lost. You can tell that they don't entirely understand what the problem is with Sonic games these days.

One thing I'd like to say is, I hope Katano was kidding with that Balance Board comment. He said that they tried many different control schemes and decided on a Wiimote & Nunchuk, with swinging the Wiimote using the sword, and then said "But we haven't tried the Balance Board yet!" It says he laughed, but...it seems all too likely that they're considering it.

I still find the rings in burlap sacks offensive. Rings in monitors is classic. Would that be a little unrealistic? Yeah, but...it still offends the retro Sonic fan in me. I don't think springs would be that unrealistic, the magical elements just seem silly.

I was also disappointed to hear of the return of the mission system. They said you won’t have to do as many to advance, but I don’t want to have to do any to advance. Or at all. Sonic has never been about that, it’s simply “get to the finish”. The only other thing I’d accept is Treasure Hunting, as that was actually fun in SA2.

I was once again disappointed to hear that great characters (/not so great characters) will be in the game, once again as some character from that time. And that they’re so focused on just Sonic again. No one asked for that, you fools (at least I don’t think). We have a problem with all of the new characters like Blaze and Silver. Stop making new ones, throw out the newer, more stupid ones, and we’re fine. It’s nice that they give you the option, as that’s definitely a good aspect, but...they’re focusing too much on it. I’m sure that’s not why Secret Rings got any good reviews. I’m not entirely sure what it was, but I doubt that was the big thing.

I am excited to hear that old songs will be returning (“…veteran composer Jun Senoue is…injecting familiar Sonic themes with a Celtic flavor.”), however. Hopefully the remixes will be good.

I think I’m going to take this game just as I plan to take Unleashed; *** grano salis. I’ll try it, but until I do, I won’t do anything more than rent it, and if it’s not good, I won’t spend another penny on it.

 

[Sonic on the Rocks]

Dear SEGA,

NO

But, then again, lets look at the positives.

1. Perhaps Sonic could use this sword to get rid of the less desirable characters. Like Big. Or Charmy.
2. Mabye SEGA will get a clue when they see that this game falls into a suck-spiral while Unleased sells infinity + 1

And on another thing. I don't see everyones what everyones problem with Shadow is. OH NOES, HE HAD GUNS! HE SUCKS NOW 4EVAR!

...So? I understand everyone wants SEGA to make the classic Sonic games, I want them to make a good one too, but THAT WASN'T SONIC'S GAME. It was SHADOW'S. Really, what did you expect, Shadow going through the Green Hill Zone?
Shadow is the Second most popular character in the series. Yes, thats right, Shadow is more peoples favorite then everyones precious Tails or Knuckles. To bad. Live with it.

I know that not every person who hates Shadow is like this, but it just really annoys me. I also don't hate Tails or Knuckles, but i just hate the rapid fans that are like, OMG! WHAT? A WEREHOG? THIS GAME SUCKS FOR SURE! NO GAME HAS A CHANCE AT BEING GOOD UNLESS IT'S A REMAKE OF SONIC 2 OR 3!

 

[SkylerOcon]

I don't hate Shadow, he just shouldn't have guns.

And Big is awesome. Get rid of Blaze, Silver, and humans (excluding Robotnik) PLEASE.

 

[Program]

This game is gonna be either completely awesome, or flop like Shadow's game. Here's to hoping the Black Knight is the Black Knight from Radiant Dawn, because then Sonic stands no chance in hell.

 

[GreenKirby]

As I said in my (now locked) thread:

Are all Sonic games in the current and upcoming generations destined to ruin Sonic's reputation even more? Or does Sonic holding a sword or transforming into a Werehog (lol) sound appealing to you?

I'm an old-school gamer. I love the retro-classics and the characters that made gaming great in the first place. With that said, I would like to say this: Everyone knows what Sonic fans want, and that is SPEED. Enough of these crazy gimmicks they keep pressing onto poor Sonic. It's about time we go back to good old-fashioned 2-D sonic of his golden days.

Honestly, it's idiots like you that give us Sonic fans a bad name.

Sonic was never about SPEED. Sure he was fast, but ultimately, it was gimmick to be more popular than Mario. Seriously, you try blasting through Sonic 1's Marble Zone, Labrnyth Zone, and Scrap Brain Zone and see if you'll survive.

Tails able to fly: gimmick
Knuckles able to glide: gimmick
Super Sonic: ultimate gimmick

And no, ultimately Sonic fans don't know what they want except a good Sonic game.

Now with all that out of the way, Sonic already have a Black Knight: :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPYOnDC8Lfo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrT7_riCtbc&feature=related

 

[Firus]

NO

But, then again, lets look at the positives.

1. Perhaps Sonic could use this sword to get rid of the less desirable characters. Like Big. Or Charmy.
2. Mabye SEGA will get a clue when they see that this game falls into a suck-spiral while Unleased sells infinity + 1

Hopefully Unleashed won't sell infinity +1 either. Because I'm willing to bet that this hype of "Sonic's going back to his roots!" is just as believable as that hype with Secret Rings. So I don't want Sega to learn that as long as they claim that the game brings Sonic back to his roots, people will buy it.

And on another thing. I don't see everyones what everyones problem with Shadow is. OH NOES, HE HAD GUNS! HE SUCKS NOW 4EVAR!

...So? I understand everyone wants SEGA to make the classic Sonic games, I want them to make a good one too, but THAT WASN'T SONIC'S GAME. It was SHADOW'S. Really, what did you expect, Shadow going through the Green Hill Zone?
Shadow is the Second most popular character in the series. Yes, thats right, Shadow is more peoples favorite then everyones precious Tails or Knuckles. To bad. Live with it.

I know that not every person who hates Shadow is like this, but it just really annoys me. I also don't hate Tails or Knuckles, but i just hate the rapid fans that are like, OMG! WHAT? A WEREHOG? THIS GAME SUCKS FOR SURE! NO GAME HAS A CHANCE AT BEING GOOD UNLESS IT'S A REMAKE OF SONIC 2 OR 3!

My problem with Shadow didn't start until Heroes. Why?

Let's start off with one thing. He had a personality in SA2, a back story, conflicted inside, and it was a very good plot point if you ask me. Beyond that he was just in there to be some bad***. And that, I don't like. Also, let's think about this; did they EVER explain why Shadow survived the drop from space to Earth? We learned his origins in Shadow the Hedgehog, but, and correct me if I'm wrong (I tried to block out most of that game), we never learned how he survived. That's so stupid. I would've thought Shadow was cool forever if he had stayed dead in SA2. It's like one of those things that you think would be really super and happy if it happened, but it screws things up when it does in reality.

Plus, there was more to that game that was bad than just Shadow having guns. Like, honestly, that ending was awful. I mean the FINAL ending (I'm ashamed to admit I actually spent time to get there). ZOMG! I was created by Black Doom! ZOMG! I have to beat him while he's huge! ZOMG! Now that I know my past I hate it and want to forget it! *Credits roll* The only good thing to come from that game was the credits theme, "Never Turn Back".

Also, side note for a humorous way of insulting Shadow...

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/427405
Once it loads, click Scene Select, click Next, and click the video in the top row on the far right. The whole thing's hilarious but that one in particular applies to Shadow.

Spoiler

I'm gonna catch...the EMO.