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[SnakeFighter64]

It's generally because the games mostly tell complete stories, wherein the endings offer a sense of closure. Like by the end of Mystery of the Emblem Marth has already permanently killed Gharnef and Medeus, and then became the ruler of the entire Archanean continent. There was nowhere else for his story to go.

That and the series tries to keep some level of realism. Like yeah, dragons and magic exist, but that comes with the territory of a fantasy story. The same group of soldiers fighting nine consecutive wars is much less believable.

Well, that explains Fire Emblem, but it still dosn't explain Xenoblade and Final Fantasy.

If only the Fire Emblem protags could all be condensed into single slots like . Freeing up other slots for more unique archetypes.

It is still frustrating that in order to properly cover the series in a game like Smash, they'd need an amount of characters in double digits. Not even Pokemon feels like it needs that.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Was originally for Pride Month. But I still like having a Skitty form.

I mean, being part-animal is just something I'm used to due to various(Safe for work) roleplays I've been in for ages, so... it works.

I've had tons of other names. I need to write them all down...

WHAT? How have I not noticed this whole time that you've had your avatar that it's just a humanoid skitty?! (That explains the latter word, but why "ahm", but it's still a fine new name!)

Nah. You covered everything. Sucks too. I wanted to try to give Fire Emblem some more appropriate representation, but there's no way to do that without just going overboard.

It's all because it has so many damn characters! I'll never understand the reasoning why games like Final Fantasy and Fire Emblem just abandon a world after one game. Plus it makes crossovers like this so damn difficult.

May I take this time to forcefully push forward the early Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney games?

 

[Mega Bidoof]

The spin-off was a cheap cash-grab according to Paul Tibbitt, and the uninventive concept leads me to believe he's correct.

Regardless, I'll give them credit for at least waiting this long to do it. They're already doing a spin-off for the Loud House after only three years, and I'm sure they know they'll have full creative control since the creator was fired due to sexual harassment charges.

I think it’s worse that they waited this long. It’s not the fact that they waited 20 years before stooping to a bland spin-off. It’s the fact that they waited for the man who made them this phenomenon to die.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

WHAT? How have I not noticed this whole time that you've had your avatar that it's just a humanoid skitty?! (That explains the latter word, but why "ahm", but it's still a fine new name!)

It's a play on the phrase "Ahm Scottish!" used in Power Rangers R.P.M.

 

[Ura]

As for leaks: honestly don't mind them. The surprise factor is nice, but they should have revealed who is on the pass by now anyway. FighterZ did it in like two months!

Yeah there's always that. Asking to purchase blind kinda sucks but then again I was suckered in with Banjo.

With a reveal like Cloud, I think it was much better being kept a surprise. Because that moment was so special and i'll never forget where I was when the whole thing went down. Ryu would have been one of those characters as well had he not been leaked. So really it's a character by character basis on who I would rather have leaked.

That and the series tries to keep some level of realism. Like yeah, dragons and magic exist, but that comes with the territory of a fantasy story. The same group of soldiers fighting nine consecutive wars is much less believable.

I would imagine Marth would have a mental breakdown by the 9th war if he had to fight that many wars.

Actually come to think of it, Marth's insanity might make for an interesting plot for an FE game. IDK just throwing ideas lol.

 

[Opossum]

Well, that explains Fire Emblem, but it still dosn't explain Xenoblade and Final Fantasy.

If only the Fire Emblem protags could all be condensed into single slots like . Freeing up other slots for more unique archetypes.

It is still frustrating that in order to properly cover the series in a game like Smash, they'd need an amount of characters in double digits. Not even Pokemon feels like it needs that.

The issue is that that sort of thing doesn't work for Fire Emblem like it does with Dragon Quest. The Dragon Quest Heroes are all silent protagonists who generally follow the same heroic personality archetype. The same can't be said of Fire Emblem. Byleth is actually the first Joker-styled silent protagonist in the franchise. All the other lords have defined and distinguishable personalities and character traits that wouldn't allow for them to share the same slot. Despite being Echo Fighters, Lucina acts nothing like Marth does, for example.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Well, that explains Fire Emblem, but it still dosn't explain Xenoblade and Final Fantasy.

If only the Fire Emblem protags could all be condensed into single slots like . Freeing up other slots for more unique archetypes.

It is still frustrating that in order to properly cover the series in a game like Smash, they'd need an amount of characters in double digits. Not even Pokemon feels like it needs that.

When the only other Pikmin character is just an alt costume...

I do like the idea of named alt costume similarly to Olimar/Alph for FE characters, but at the same time, I do appreciate the variety of swordfighters in the game. You ask me for an easy moveset to pick up, I'd say a swordfighter. All the others are too unique, there isn't any other version of Mario elsewhere. (Not you Luigi).

It's a play on the phrase "Ahm Scottish!" used in Power Rangers R.P.M.

(Thank you for the explanation, I felt out of the loop there )

 

[Idon]

>not using the falchion as a giant paddle

i see no problem here

You know who got it right? Soma Cruz from Castlevania.

He can wield excalibur, except he isn't king arthur. Solution?

SWING THE ROCK THE SWORD IS STUCK TO ANYWAYS.

 

[Wyoming]

Also I wish everyone character was revealed by now because I live in a fantasy world where people would discuss the actual content and what each pack would bring. People would also move on from their favorite missing out at the same time and thus the painful part is dealt with early.

But in the real world people would make up theories about why a fighter's pass 2 is happening and how that makes their favorite likely.

 

[Noipoi]

Also I wish everyone character was revealed by now because I live in a fantasy world where people would discuss the actual content and what each pack would bring. People would also move on from their favorite missing out at the same time and thus the painful part is dealt with early.

But in the real world people would make up theories about why a fighter's pass 2 is happening and how that makes their favorite likely.

Personally I find the anticipation incredibly fun, especially when you finally get a new reveal.

My problem comes when the trailers don’t come for months and months at a time, and we’re stuck debating the same things over and over.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

The issue is that that sort of thing doesn't work for Fire Emblem like it does with Dragon Quest. The Dragon Quest Heroes are all silent protagonists who generally follow the same heroic personality archetype. The same can't be said of Fire Emblem. Byleth is actually the first Joker-styled silent protagonist in the franchise. All the other lords have defined and distinguishable personalities and character traits that wouldn't allow for them to share the same slot. Despite being Echo Fighters, Lucina acts nothing like Marth does, for example.

Which is again, why incorporating the series into crossovers is so frustrating, at least the way I do it.

 

[Ura]

But in the real world people would make up theories about why a fighter's pass 2 is happening and how that makes their favorite likely.

Do you think this has stopped anyone? Lol.

 

[Will]

fire emblem clone memes peaked when fire emblem warriors had to make its own clones

 

[Idon]

Well, that explains Fire Emblem, but it still dosn't explain Xenoblade and Final Fantasy.

If only the Fire Emblem protags could all be condensed into single slots like . Freeing up other slots for more unique archetypes.

It is still frustrating that in order to properly cover the series in a game like Smash, they'd need an amount of characters in double digits. Not even Pokemon feels like it needs that.

Because Xenoblade and Final Fantasy have better things to do than reuse and rehash a world when its characters, themes, and stories have already been used and explored to their fullest extent. New characters interacting with new settings with new stories is the lifeblood of JRPGs.

Unless you're like Persona which uses "modern day Japan in highschool" but then again that's Persona's whole appeal so I guess I can forgive it.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Because Xenoblade and Final Fantasy have better things to do than reuse and rehash a world when its characters, themes, and stories have already been used and explored to their fullest extent. New characters interacting with new settings with new stories is the lifeblood of JRPGs.

Unless you're like Persona which uses "modern day Japan in highschool" but then again that's Persona's whole appeal so I guess I can forgive it.

I don’t know. That just seams dumb to me. Why even have them be part of a series then when the gameplay is the only thing that is the same. Gameplay can be identical from franchise to franchise. Its what makes up a genre. So why have a series of multiple games without any sort of shared narrative or characters.

When I first found out about Fire Emblem, I thought it was the story of one single kingdom. And the many wars and rulers it got into across history. And that’s where the continuity came from. But it’s just not true. I thought the same thing about Final Fantasy. Not how they handle it. So it just baffles me that they don’t just give each game its own unique title and call it a day.

 

[StormC]

As for leaks: honestly don't mind them. The surprise factor is nice, but they should have revealed who is on the pass by now anyway. FighterZ did it in like two months!

FighterZ DLC was in development alongside the base game, wasn't it? I'd rather not have every character put us through a six month waiting period like Joker. I'm fine with waiting.

 

[Wyoming]

FighterZ DLC was in development alongside the base game, wasn't it? I'd rather not have every character put us through a six month waiting period like Joker. I'm fine with waiting.

First wave yes, probably. Sincerely doubt wave 2 was which is what i was referring to.

 

[Noipoi]

FighterZ DLC was in development alongside the base game, wasn't it? I'd rather not have every character put us through a six month waiting period like Joker. I'm fine with waiting.

Oh yeah, that was terrible.

I wish they hadn’t rushed his reveal out for TGA, wouldve made the wait more bearable.

 

[StormC]

I don’t know. That just seams dumb to me. Why even have them be part of a series then when the gameplay is the only thing that is the same. Gameplay can be identical from franchise to franchise. Its what makes up a genre. So why have a series of multiple games without any sort of shared narrative or characters.

When I first found out about Fire Emblem, I thought it was the story of one single kingdom. And the many wars and rulers it got into across history. And that’s where the continuity came from. But it’s just not true. I thought the same thing about Final Fantasy. Not how they handle it. So it just baffles me that they don’t just give each game its own unique title and call it a day.

This is what they call an anthology series.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthology_series

There are enough recurring elements and themes across these games that they are able to give both unique experiences and an overarching connection.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

As for leaks: honestly don't mind them. The surprise factor is nice, but they should have revealed who is on the pass by now anyway. FighterZ did it in like two months!

I honestly like leaks for the same reason. Just do something like what MK11 did. We don’t need to know what they look like or how they play. Just who they are.

Not quite the same thing with Smash as the suspense leading up to the reveal moment in the trailer is a huge part of the enjoyment factor. This is moreso for other fighting games than anything else. Although, if Banjo is ready enough to be shown off at least 3 months before he comes out..... hmmmm.

This is what they call an anthology series.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthology_series

There are enough recurring elements and themes across these games that they are able to give both unique experiences and an overarching connection.

Huh. You’d think as a film major I would know this.

But still, all you have done is given a name to the subject of my dislike.

Ahem.

“I don’t like anthology style stories. I prefer continuity”

Although, I do have an idea for a semi-anthology based tv show. But it’s all connected and in the same world. Basically a minor character in one episode becomes the protagonist in the next as the series goes on. And it’s primarily sci-fi horror. Not like what a Black Mirror does where it asks questions, I just want to straight up scare people.

 

[Will]

When I first found out about Fire Emblem, I thought it was the story of one single kingdom. And the many wars and rulers it got into across history. And that’s where the continuity came from. But it’s just not true.

I mean it's technically true for Marth and Roy's family.

The rest just kind of do their own thing. Maybe GotHW and Thracia 776 are connected solely because Seliph shows up but that's very loose.

EDIT: holy **** i finally finished the agniratha side quests

some of the most annoying item collecting in XC1, went a lot faster than i thought it would take.

 

[StormC]

I honestly like leaks for the same reason. Just do something like what MK11 did. We don’t need to know what they look like or how they play. Just who they are.

Not quite the same thing with Smash as the suspense leading up to the reveal moment in the trailer is a huge part of the enjoyment factor. This is moreso for other fighting games than anything else. Although, if Banjo is ready enough to be shown off at least 3 months before he comes out..... hmmmm.



Huh. You’d think as a film major I would know this.

But still, all you have done is given a name to the subject of my dislike.

Ahem.

“I don’t like anthology style stories. I prefer continuity”

Although, I do have an idea for a semi-anthology based tv show. But it’s all connected and in the same world. Basically a minor character in one episode becomes the protagonist in the next as the series goes on. And it’s primarily sci-fi horror. Not like what a Black Mirror does where it asks questions, I just want to straight up scare people.

I tend to prefer continuity-driven stories as well, but in RPGs I’m fine with it because each game tells a complete story anywhere from 20 to 100 hours long.

 

[BlueMonk]

I honestly like leaks for the same reason. Just do something like what MK11 did. We don’t need to know what they look like or how they play. Just who they are.

Not quite the same thing with Smash as the suspense leading up to the reveal moment in the trailer is a huge part of the enjoyment factor. This is moreso for other fighting games than anything else. Although, if Banjo is ready enough to be shown off at least 3 months before he comes out..... hmmmm.



Huh. You’d think as a film major I would know this.

But still, all you have done is given a name to the subject of my dislike.

Ahem.

“I don’t like anthology style stories. I prefer continuity”

Although, I do have an idea for a semi-anthology based tv show. But it’s all connected and in the same world. Basically a minor character in one episode becomes the protagonist in the next as the series goes on. And it’s primarily sci-fi horror. Not like what a Black Mirror does where it asks questions, I just want to straight up scare people.

most FE games actually do have connections to other games in the series, Fates and Sacred Stones are the only ones that are completely standalone. Three Houses will probably be standalone as well

 

[Will]

Three Houses will probably be standalone as well

Honestly might pick up Three Houses if the story is good for how dark it's setting up to be. Don't need spoilers to know that really, I just don't want it to go down the same Fates road.

 

[DevaAshera]

Are you serious?

Why? Especially after also getting these guys

Simple, some people are incredibly selfish and self-absorbed people, only thinking characters that they know/like/want should appear in Super Smash Bros. and anyone else is a 'bad pick', they don't care about who other regions like, who other fans like, or even if most of the characters they want are in the game..they just see anyone that isn't their pick as a 'horrible choice'.
I remember so much of this for Bayonetta, Corrin, and even Cloud because they weren't King K. Rool, Shovel Knight, Shantae, or Banjo-Kazooie.

 

[Zinith]

Insomnia is a pain

 

[Deleted member]

But in the real world people would make up theories about why a fighter's pass 2 is happening and how that makes their favorite likely.

When you've already gotten your most wanted and are just along for the ride to see what wacky theories pop up in speculation

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I tend to prefer continuity-driven stories as well, but in RPGs I’m fine with it because each game tells a complete story anywhere from 20 to 100 hours long.

I guess that makes sense. They could st least be set on the same planet. Or even the same place at different points in history.

most FE games actually do have connections to other games in the series, Fates and Sacred Stones are the only ones that are completely standalone. Three Houses will probably be standalone as well

Aren’t the Bindung/Blazing Blade and Radient Gamss in their own timelines?

 

[Idon]

I guess that makes sense. They could st least be set on the same planet. Or even the same place at different points in history.


Aren’t the Bindung/Blazing Blade and Radient Gamss in their own timelines?

Yes, they have connections to each other, ie "other games in the series."

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Also I wish everyone character was revealed by now because I live in a fantasy world where people would discuss the actual content and what each pack would bring. People would also move on from their favorite missing out at the same time and thus the painful part is dealt with early.

But in the real world people would make up theories about why a fighter's pass 2 is happening and how that makes their favorite likely.

What’s wrong with being excited about and predicting future characters.

Yes, they have connections to each other, ie "other games in the series."

The way you worded it made it seam like they’re all connected to each other. Not just a set few games.

 

[Idon]

What’s wrong with being excited about and predicting future characters.



The way you worded it made it seam like they’re all connected to each other. Not just a set few games.

You just misinterpreted it. "Most games have connections to other games in the series."

 

[Noipoi]

When you've already gotten your most wanted and are just along for the ride to see what wacky theories pop up in speculation
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It’s the best feeling

 

[SnakeFighter64]

You just misinterpreted it. "Most games have connections to other games in the series."

I see........


Continuity!

 

[StormC]

It's hard to have a long-running series with a coherent continuity. Metal Gear and Kingdom Hearts are a testament to that.

Although it's not a video game series, I'm frankly amazed the MCU has been as consistent as it is with its continuity and worldbuilding, barring a few slip-ups (hello Homecoming timeline saying Avengers took place eight years ago).

 

[TheCJBrine]

My rendition of an old meme I saw recently:

"Father? Is that you?! I'm so glad you could join u-"



"Oh hello! It is I, Chrome-"

"my gawsh You are not my father."

"wat? yes I am. It is I, the Chrome, from the Fiyer Embull!"



"Ugh..."

"give ur father a hug, Lasuna-!"

"Get away from mii!!"

and so Lasuna ran away to look for her "father" Chrom, whom was brainwashing her to keep her away from her real father, Chrome from the Fiyer Embull.

 

[Opossum]

I guess that makes sense. They could st least be set on the same planet. Or even the same place at different points in history.


Aren’t the Bindung/Blazing Blade and Radient Gamss in their own timelines?

Nine out of the sixteen Fire Emblem games take place in the same world at different times or places.

Genealogy of the Holy War and its midquel, Thracia 776, take place roughly one thousand years before Shadow Dragon on a different continent on the same world, sharing elements like the Divine Dragon, Naga. Then one thousand years later on the continent of Archanea, Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light and its remake, Shadow Dragon, take place.

Roughly a year after Shadow Dragon comes Gaiden and its remake, Shadows of Valentia. The continent of Valentia is right across the sea from Archanea and the games even share a few characters. One year after this comes Mystery of the Emblem and its remake, New Mystery of the Emblem, on Archanea again to close out Marth's story. Two thousand years later on the same continent (though now renamed Ylisse after The Schism), Awakening takes place.

So FE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 11, 12, 13, and 15 all take place in the same universe on the same planet.

Then Binding Blade and its prequel Blazing Blade share their own universe.
Then Path of Radiance and its sequel Radiant Dawn share their own universe.

Only Sacred Stones, Fates, and Three Houses are totally standalone.

 

[Wademan94]

Hey, so um...

Spoiler: can we make these two a thing please?

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Bea and Nessa, complementary colored gym leaders. #pokemon pic.twitter.com/SSW9FlLRdk

— Sapphire 💖💚 (@gomipomi) July 13, 2019

 

[BlondeLombax]

Anyone else going mad from constantly monitoring Nintendo France's Twitter for news on the Hero? I've been jumping back and forth about it due to my internet being all spotty today, and so far, the most sanity-replenishing thing I have to use is stuff like this.

 

[Wyoming]

What’s wrong with being excited about and predicting future characters.



The way you worded it made it seam like they’re all connected to each other. Not just a set few games.

Gets boring when people come up with 500 theories, most of them wack or farfetched, and speculation centers around those theories instead of discussing things outside of those boundaries.

I much prefer speculating about modes, stages, and movesets - the fighter's pass being shown would ideally encourage these, but I know people would focus on "fighter's pass theories!!!|" because someone they wanted didn't make the cut.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Hey I'm back. Decided to chill with my dogs and watch a movie on NetFlix called Rim of the World. Fun flick I must say dumb but in a good way.