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[Deleted member]

You have the game right? Is that skins fur actually brown of is this a product of colors being messed up in pictures. I know her shirt looks like the inside of a watermelon but I hope her fur isnt brown

I’ll tag you when I finish checking.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

so um You wanna see a real
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she has a watermelon shirt, which Im sure is why the name is that but oof

Hooooooo.... yeah....

that ain't right

You'd think they would've at least done their research with these sorts of things.

better safe than sorry

 

[Deleted member]

Professor Pumpkaboo ... It’s odd

In my game it shows as some kind of weird bright orange variation... but the character icon is more of a dark red.

The costume does need some serious changes, because I don’t know what is going on with it at all.

On another side note, I know without a doubt that staindgrey is excited for UA3.

 

[Alternis]

Honestly, I was totally onboard the whole "3rd parties only" train at the start, but after this year's E3, I'm not so sure. I think a 1st party could happen.

 

[Deleted member]

Seriously, the skin on that costume seems to change from a dark pink colour to literally bright pink without any coherent reason.

I tried to take pictures, but the quality doesn’t show the actual colours well enough.

This needs a serious fix.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

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I think you're focusing too much on the company of origin and the idea of getting a new franchise and not enough on the popularity of the character/franchise itself.

Would someone from Devil May Cry, Tales, or Ace Attorney be exciting. Depends on who you are, but yes, many people would likely agree that those who be good additions. There's also a good chance they'd attract a few people who don't already own a Switch. That being said, exactly how big are these franchises? Are the fanbases large enough to make a worthwhile impact on sales? Many of Nintendo's franchises, regardless of whether or not they're already in Smash, have a much larger fanbase than the ones's you listed. Even if you remove the people who don't care about getting another character from an already represented series, the sheer number of casuals who can recognize the character would, at worst, make them even with the people excited for Phoenix Wright or Lloyd.

Again, it's circumstantial. How popular and iconic the franchise is plays a huge part in how well a character from said franchise would be received. As hard as it is for people to accept, a Minecraft, Fortnite, or second Sonic character would likely find more success than most of the other options you listed. That's because very few people outside SmashBoards genuinely care about which company the character originated from and whether or not they're new. They're more concerned about getting characters they like and recognize.

I think you’re missing what i’m saying.

Sure, Nintendo has series that are arguably more popular than series like Devil May Cry. However, the fact of the matter is that it’s highly likely hat fans of Pokémon, Mario, or Zelda that own Smash and a Switch would already buy the Fighter Pass, or at least buy it on merit of being a Smash fan and would buy anything in the first place. I am of the latter.

The harder sell, the one that provides bigger gains, is to reach out to gamers that not only will have interest in a challenger pack that has Dante, or Leon, or Heihachi, but enough interest to get a Switch, Smash, play other first party games, and commit more to the console. This would be a fan that wouldn’t have committed otherwise, whereas in most cases, the Pokémon or Fire Emblem fan would have bought the pass regardless, and was already going to get those other games.

Catering to fans of unrepresented series not only marks potential for a new Switch owner, but a new Smash fan.

I’m really not focused on the company. Resident Evil, for example, is the only remaining Top 10 Japanese series in lifetime sales, reaching nearly $100 million. That outranks several Nintendo series, and provides an entirely new series, an entirely new genre, new music, new stage, and brings a new fanbase to Smash. Pokémon and Fire Emblem, regardless of their series sales, can’t do that.

By no means do I think either would be bad. But they don’t expand the crossover, which is what this game is striving to be. I don’t see any reason for the game to stop expanding the crossover by series with Banjo when they have picks that.

Plus, with an entirely new Spirit board, anything outside of Pokémon or Fire Emblem seems unlikely.

Well there's your first problem. Assuming that the 3 characters have to be "topped". Being E3, the two shown off could have been there most hype worthy announcements given the audience for that. And last time I checked, Smash never ends with a "big-bang". Wasn't the case for Brawl, Smash 4, 4's DLC, and Ultimate's base roster.

It doesn't have to be a case of that. A 1st party in this case would be leveraging their audience for Ultimate to check out whatever new game or series they want to promote. If you want a series to succeed, exposing it to an audience like Ultimate's is a sure-fire way to succeed.

Which 1st parties, at this point, would they push? The only 3 that seem reasonable are Pokémon, Fire Emblem, and Astral Chain, but only one of them would be entirely new/need the push.

Adding a 3rd party not only gives the incentive for fans of those series to get a Switch, but it also creates potential for that series to succeed on Nintendo platforms, something that Nintendo has struggled with for over a decade.

I don’t buy this idea that the Fighter Pass would dip in quality just to appease Nintendo fans. I’d say most folks have come to like Joker, and were ecstatic about Banjo.

If Spirits are disconfirmations (which, information suggests that might be the case) and upgrades don’t happen (which, is likely) the amount of 1st party properties for Smash drops substantially. Yes, it’s based on speculation. However, so is the idea that spirits aren’t disconfirmations.

Frankly I don’t even care if we get two 1st parties. I simply don’t expect it, and I feel that adding 3rd parties heightens the quality of the crossover.

Yes, it’s an opinion. But I think you’d find there are plenty of people who think it’s likely and makes sense. That doesn’t mean folks wanting first parties are wrong. I would simply say that, if you ask me, chances are that it will be an entirely 3rd party pass.

EDIT: Thank you mods for spoilering!

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

What do you all think would be a good Final Smash for Shantae? Working on a moveset, but I'm a bit stuck on the Final Smash.

 

[Will]

Pretty much everyone has jumped on the S.S. We'reOnlyGettingThird-parties.

Can you hear the train?

 

[Deleted member]

This is the closest I could get to the colours I’m seeing:

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It’s some kind of weird bright pink which for some reason turns into a darker pink at times.

 

[Deleted member]

I do not understand what's so wrong with that skin, but I feel like keeping my innocence intact today.

 

[Opossum]

This is the closest I could get to the colours I’m seeing:
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It’s some kind of weird bright pink which for some reason turns into a darker pink at times.

I think people are more concerned about the fur color in this case. It's the fact that it's a darker shade alongside the costume name that's the issue.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Professor Pumpkaboo ... It’s odd

In my game it shows as some kind of weird bright orange variation... but the character icon is more of a dark red.

The costume does need some serious changes, because I don’t know what is going on with it at all.

On another side note, I know without a doubt that staindgrey is excited for UA3.

Ive seen people say the switxh versions coloring is different and all that jazz then I went on a youtube video that had 720 and came out with this

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Im just as confused as you are pff

 

[Opossum]

I do not understand what's so wrong with that skin, but I feel like keeping my innocence intact today.

Here's a Wikipedia link. Content warning for racist imagery, but these kinds of things are important to know about.

 

[Deleted member]

Here's a Wikipedia link. Content warning for racist imagery, but these kinds of things are important to know about.

Thanks.

To you, not the guys working on this game.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I think people are more concerned about the fur color in this case. It's the fact that it's a darker shade alongside the costume name that's the issue.

bingo. Its the fact he fur looks like a darker brown but is also apparently lighter to some people. Coupling that with the skin being called "Watermelon Tawna" Even if it was a refrence to her shirt looking like the inside of a watermelon, why change her fur color?

bruh, I aint got no idea whats going down

 

[Noipoi]

On the topic of 1st parties. We could get a 1st party, it’s a possibility.

But am I the only one who considers Banjo the Nintendo character for the pass? At least in spirit?

Yes, he’s Microsoft. But most of everyone who loves him loves him because of his days as a Nintendo character. Chances are they’re still playing Nintendo consoles to this day and might have bought the fighters pass anyway. It’s not like he’s had a chance to bring in a huge Microsoft audience recently.

So while a first party is possible, I think they’ll be third parties focused on bringing in people from outside the Nintendo bubble.













Except Porky. Porky’s basically confirmed.

 

[Opossum]

bingo. Its the fact he fur looks like a darker brown but is also apparently lighter to some people. Coupling that with the skin being called "Watermelon Tawna" Even if it was a refrence to her shirt looking like the inside of a watermelon, why change her fur color?

Exactly. If it were one or the other it wouldn't be an issue. But combining both is just...well, frankly I'm surprised it got past Quality Assurance.

 

[Deleted member]

Dunno if there's still conversation about the Hero's trailer unpopular thing. But couldn't the extremely unpopular thing could be Sugiyama related as if he made compositions for the game?

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, that's pretty old specific.

 

[Wademan94]

Not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at here.

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The brown fur and hair combined with the watermelon motif...I hope I don’t need to spell it out more.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, this costume needs some important changes.

I may love the game a lot, but these things shouldn’t be present at all.

We should honestly get into the game’s official feedback/support email and demand changes to the costume.

 

[Noipoi]

I just saw that skin, had no idea what we were talking about for a second.

As a certified chocolate man

That’s a yikes

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

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The brown fur and hair combined with the watermelon motif...I hope I don’t need to spell it out more.

I had edited the post a while back.

 

[Deleted member]

I just saw that skin, had no idea what we were talking about for a second.

As a certified chocolate man

That’s uh yikes

I agree Noipoi.

Not only that, but the skin also has some important inconsistencies, errors between the 3D model and the head icon and even shading.

This is something that needs a serious fix.

 

[Deleted member]

I just saw that skin, had no idea what we were talking about for a second.

As a certified chocolate man

That’s a yikes

If that's not a yikes what is?

Seriously, how does this slip through the cracks?

 

[Will]

Yeah, this costume needs some important changes.

I may love the game a lot, but these things shouldn’t be present at all.

We should honestly get into the game’s official feedback/support email and demand changes to the costume.

or we can go to twitter and scream like everyone else

 

[Noipoi]

or we can go to twitter and scream like everyone else

Incoherent internet rage is always the answer

 

[Deleted member]

or we can go to twitter and scream like everyone else

If done in a pacific way, sure.

Just don’t pull a #NationalDex.

The feedback/support email does seriously help too doh.

 

[Cosmic77]

Dunno if there's still conversation about the Hero's trailer unpopular thing. But couldn't the extremely unpopular thing could be Sugiyama related as if he made compositions for the game?

Probably not. That wasn't really a popular topic around the time Hero was dropped, so I think it's more likely that the criticism was directed at Hero himself.

I'm sure most people have moved on though. Haven't really seen many complaints anymore.

 

[Noipoi]

Probably not. That wasn't really a popular topic around the time Hero was dropped, so I think it's more likely that the criticism was directed at Hero himself.

I'm sure most people have moved on though. Haven't really seen many complaints anymore.

I didn’t even see any complaints when he was revealed

Except for the 30 minute interval between his and Banjo’s reveal

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Not only that, but the skin also has some important inconsistencies, errors between the 3D model and the head icon and even shading.

When I first saw it I thought we were referring to that won't lie.

 

[Wademan94]

What do you all think would be a good Final Smash for Shantae? Working on a moveset, but I'm a bit stuck on the Final Smash.

One idea I had in mind is a trapping FS (using Mermaid Bubble) where Shantae calls in her friends (flying in on Wrench) in a group attack with her attacking as the monkey then doing a finishing blow by jumping into the air and landing on them with the Elephant form similar to one of her boss attacks in HGH.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I know have access to all Shantae voice lines. I can know here Shantae say "what" in three slightly different ways! Wow!

 

[Cosmic77]

I didn’t even see any complaints when he was revealed

Except for the 30 minute interval between his and Banjo’s reveal

I did. Some were complaining about the usual "anime swordfighter" nonsense. Others were complaining about how most of his standard attacks look like they were ripped from other characters.

There's also the people who are worried his spells will be randomized, but that's quieted down for now.

 

[Wademan94]

I know have access to all Shantae voice lines. I can know here Shantae say "what" in three slightly different ways! Wow!

And “transform” in 57 different ways too.

 

[TheMightyP]

Okay, what are we talking about?

Skin? What skin?

 

[Noipoi]

Okay, what are we talking about?

Skin? What skin?

You and I’s skin, technically.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, what are we talking about?

Skin? What skin?

CTR skin that is, intentionally or not, racist.

 

[Iridium]

Dunno if there's still conversation about the Hero's trailer unpopular thing. But couldn't the extremely unpopular thing could be Sugiyama related as if he made compositions for the game?

Let's assume nothing for now and wait for people to complain in masses about Hero being OP later.

I didn’t even see any complaints when he was revealed

Except for the 30 minute interval between his and Banjo’s reveal

I kid you not, I've seen someone actually try to argue DQ is a generic RPG franchise and make that a reason for Hero not belonging.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I mean no offense when I say this, but the last time Fatman riled up the community was over the supposed Smash character at E3 only being a minor thing compared to a red carpet treatment for that character and that it was specifically a character that was going to be incredibly well received and please a lot of people. Neither Hero nor Banjo Kazooie fit that descriptor in the last bit and nothing really came out of those comments. He later came out and said that was more speculative in nature (I don't remember if he always said it was that or not, but that was his defense last month I remember), but I wouldn't really be surprised if this was again something that was a bit overblown with regards to the salt portion of whatever Hero brings.

I mean yeah, an unfortunately decent portion of the Smash community will continue to be ****** about Hero being in by nature and with a Geno Mii costume or a Sephiroth Mii costume, people will have that little bit of extra "reason" to be upset.

Worst case scenario is that Hero's spell menu is truly random (It might be possible to fix that later on with patches though), Dragon Quest comes with Final Fantasy levels of content despite having all 4 heroes, Geno, Sora, and Sephiroth all get Mii costumes, and Hero releases pretty damn late for Summer 2019...

All I'd have to say to that scenario is, "So ****ing what?" None of that strikes me as an inherent deal breaker for anything happening and only a Sora Mii costume would feel out of place given the perceived issues with getting representation of Kingdom Hearts in game (Who the **** knows those specifics though). The closest is how Hero plays, but again, that's potentially the least damning of the issues seeing as it can be worked on post release with fan feedback and people will still find ways to learn his moveset even with a random spell menu. I don't know, at this point in Ultimate, I don't know if you really can create that much salt even with a Sora Mii costume and issues surrounding Hero.