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[Raxxel]

*phoenix Wright gets in and his trailer has him defending Leon.
Unfortunately Leon goes to jail, and hands Phoenix Wright his smash invitation for Phoenix to use. How would you react?

So, Phoenix straight up has his second loss ever in his own Smash trailer, and this time it isn't a moral victory. Weird way to hype up his inclusion but I'll take it.

 

[Z25]

So, Phoenix straight up has his second loss ever in his own Smash trailer, and this time it isn't a moral victory. Weird way to hype up his inclusion but I'll take it.

He still wins by being in smash.

The prosecution was faking evidence setting up Edgeworth’s echo reveal alongside Leon obviously.


Edgeworth bails Leon our

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Probably nitpicking here, but quick question: What makes Undertale and Waluigi 'meme picks'? Undertale has always been a rather popular indie title and probably one of the few that could contest Shovel Knight in that regard, so it's not like the popularity of its choices come from nowhere. Similarly, despite being from the spinoff games Waluigi has always had a fanbase as proven by his support thread throughout the years and the fact that fans of his were disappointed when they saw Daisy get in only for him to be excluded again. Neither of those feel like they're joke picks done just for fun like Shrek, there's a legitimate popularity to those choices and I don't think it's fair to write them off as such without good reason.

Both characters definitely have their popularity, that's undeniable.

With them being "meme picks", there's not only the meme culture that surrounds both characters, but:

1) Waluigi gets a reaction of, "He'd be the number one AT upgrade! He'd also be perfect as the last pick as a joke!" Or, "that'd be soooo Waluigi like!' This type of stuff is said all the time, so when a leaker shows up and says, "Waluigi is in", people jump on it and are like, "It's actually happening!", when clearly there's more than enough reason to believe it's not going to happen in this game.

2) Undertale...I guess does have a notorious meme culture (just think about how much Sans is at the center of memes everywhere), and it's one of the most prominent Indie titles involved in "leaks". There's also the fact that compared to Mr. Indie, Shovel Knight, Undertale is pretty much treated as the GOAT by the fans of the game. Which is fine. But if you ask me, when there's an indie pick, it's going to be Shovel Knight.

Even one of my close friends said it himself. He's a huge Undertale fan, but he himself said Undertale likely wouldn't happen until Shovel Knight got in, popularity be damned. I realize this is anecdotal.

Basically, both characters get a similar reaction, and have memes posted literally everywhere. It's likely a biased opinion, but I frankly see them as meme picks for Smash. It doesn't mean there isn't real, genuine support for them. They deserve the support. I simply don't think they're going to happen, and appear in leaks frequently because of meme culture.

 

[TheMightyP]

Something worth to note that while Shovel Knight and Shantae are in the game in some form, Undertale isn't, making me believe that either, a) Undertale Characters were hard to negotiate, or b) Undertale isn't as high as a priority, or (and this is a big stretch), c) Undertale is DLC in some way. If it's A or B, then I'm inclined to believe that, due to those issues, Undertale wouldn't be the first Indie rep, not when Shovel Knight or Shantae exists.

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler

This is the best trailer for a game I have ever heard

Why it isn't July 12 already?

Something worth to note that while Shovel Knight and Shantae are in the game in some form, Undertale isn't, making me believe that either, a) Undertale Characters were hard to negotiate, or b) Undertale isn't as high as a priority, or (and this is a big stretch), c) Undertale is DLC in some way. If it's A or B, then I'm inclined to believe that, due to those issues, Undertale wouldn't be the first Indie rep, not when Shovel Knight or Shantae exists.

It could very well be that Nintendo got aware of it quite late to make negotiations :b

 

[Deleted member]

I personally always thought Quote and even Reimu seemed like good picks for an 'Indie' rep. They have a huge legacy behind them, have had major influence on at least indie games as a whole, and both have potential for really interesting movesets. Cave Story used to be THE defacto indie game, you gosh darned whippersnappers with your Shove All Nights and Shaun Tays.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Now tell me do you honestly believe this means she could comment on fake leaks?

Yes. Saying a leak is fake probably doesn’t count under trade secrets. She probably also asked the lawyer to make sure, seeing as she didn’t comment until a few days after the leak has spread.

 

[Roguewolf]

Spoiler

I don't know why this exists but it sure as hell is beautiful.
Ignore the thumbnail I don't know why it looks so weird. It's someone playing that Country Roads but Mario song.

Its so beautiful

 

[BlueMonk]

Something worth to note that while Shovel Knight and Shantae are in the game in some form, Undertale isn't, making me believe that either, a) Undertale Characters were hard to negotiate, or b) Undertale isn't as high as a priority, or (and this is a big stretch), c) Undertale is DLC in some way. If it's A or B, then I'm inclined to believe that, due to those issues, Undertale wouldn't be the first Indie rep, not when Shovel Knight or Shantae exists.

its probably because shantae and shovel knight did very well on the ballot whereas undertale didn't since it had only existed for a month or two before the ballot closed

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Something worth to note that while Shovel Knight and Shantae are in the game in some form, Undertale isn't, making me believe that either, a) Undertale Characters were hard to negotiate, or b) Undertale isn't as high as a priority, or (and this is a big stretch), c) Undertale is DLC in some way. If it's A or B, then I'm inclined to believe that, due to those issues, Undertale wouldn't be the first Indie rep, not when Shovel Knight or Shantae exists.

I’d shoot for D) none of the above, and definitely not A or B.

The Project Plan with everything lined up (with the exception of Incineroar just being a new Pokémon placeholder) was finished in December 2015, when Undertale had only been popular for a couple months and wouldn’t see a Japanese localization for over a year.

Compare this with Shovel Knight which released a year and a half earlier and had huge support around the time of the ballot (at which point Undertale had just released). Shantae I’m not that educated on but she existed for a while so she’s always had support.

 

[osby]

I still don't see why we should or should not get a character because they come from an indie game. If we can get Shovel Knight and Shantae content in Smash, there's no need for a ritual character to open the gates for a playable indie rep.

 

[Z25]

Yes. Saying a leak is fake probably doesn’t count under trade secrets. She probably also asked the lawyer to make sure, seeing as she didn’t comment until a few days after the leak has spread.

There is no lawyer.
Her C and D said the lawyer was from Nintendo Japan and yet his email was from Canada. But I’m not arguing over something so obvious anymore.

Agree to disagree. I would bet my actual account she couldn’t do that if there was one and I don’t bet in here

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

The thing with indies is that not all of them are picked up in the mainstream.

I have had literally no idea who Reimu was before hearing about her here, in a place where people specifically have an interest in Smash. Outside of here? I guarantee that there are plenty of folks who have literally no idea who she is.

Quote is like, the grandad of Indies. Cave Story just didn't catch on like Shovel Knight did. Shantae caught on, but still isn't as big as Shovel Knight.

I think of it like Chicken Wings (they're not Buffalo wings you heathens). Anchor Bar originated the Chicken Wing, but it's Duff's in Buffalo that popularized it. It's also the far better location to get them too.

If you are from WNY and disagree with me, fight me.

 

[Z25]

If any indie were to get in, I expected it to be shovel knight.

Outside of that, you can argue undertale has better odds due to Sakurai bias, since we know he’s played and loved it. I don’t think this is going to lead to undertale in smash though.
It be cool if only for the music and the stage choice could be interesting

 

[Just a random scrub]

Actually technically you can eat Smash Bros, it's just going to taste like absolute garbage.

What do you mean, I eat it for breakfast every day

 

[Noipoi]

Y’all are talkin a lotta ****

Spoiler

Just wait until Sans is more broken then Wii U Bayo

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Anyone else creeped out/concerned about all the stuff going on with Etika?

I legit am seriously scared he's dead and they won't find him alive. Not sure how someone who would eventually have someone recognize him could disappear and not eventually run into someone who knows who he is.

Hoping for the best. Fear the worst.

 

[osby]

Y’all are talkin a lotta ****

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Just wait until Sans is more broken then Wii U Bayo

That's why we got Kirby With A Gun: To keep the top tiers in check.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I don't really believe any theory or leak so far except for Color Theory which may or may not be true. I think at the very least the last remaining two characters will have a distinct look and feel from the rest of the fighters pass and they may have a color scheme of Blue or Orange or whatever which may play into Color Theory well. I don't believe any theory so far, Even Mii Costume theory it seems to have too specific requirements that makes it easily debunkable or incorrect.

Don't all of the theories have certain things that make it easily debunkable?

Partner theory- requires all characters to have partners, technically already debunked based on the difference between Kazooie and Morgana/Slime
Color series- requires all characters to be determined by color, which could have a character with no association with the color blue having a blue background, or other combos
Trailer theory- literally any character besides Nightmare or Crash debunks it

Mii Theory, again, is the only one with precedent. It also follows the logical thought that Capcom and Namco would get their costumes back as DLC (because $$$$) with their own characters in a bundle, similar to how the other characters/updates have been handled.

I still don't see why we should or should not get a character because they come from an indie game. If we can get Shovel Knight and Shantae content in Smash, there's no need for a ritual character to open the gates for a playable indie rep.

Eh, it's not so much that it has to be Shovel Knight, but moreso that he's easily the biggest get out of any Indie character. The fact that he's the only indie as an Assist Trophy, to me, says that loud and clear.

The other part of it is that it's not as if any one Indie character represents all indies. Shovel Knight doesn't represent Undertale. Undertale would represent Undertale. It might represent the genre, but it's not as if one pick encapsulates all of one genre. See what I mean?

I just don't think it's likely to get any Indie characters in this Fighter pass in the first place, but that's me.

 

[BlueMonk]

Anyone else creeped out/concerned about all the stuff going on with Etika?

I legit am seriously scared he's dead and they won't find him alive. Not sure how someone who would eventually have someone recognize him could disappear and not eventually run into someone who knows who he is.

Hoping for the best. Fear the worst.

I'm concerned too. If anything, the fact that they haven't found him yet gives me hope he might still be alive but I'm definitely afraid.

 

[Cosmic77]

I never understood why some people specifically push for Western characters and indie reps while ignoring the rest of their options. It shouldn't matter whether a character is indie or third-party. It could be a small bonus to getting the character in Smash, but I'd never invest all of my energy into getting a character for that sole purpose. Instead of supporting a character because they come from a specific company and you have some imaginary quota to fill, why not support a character because you genuinely like the character?

And that's coming from someone who hates a majority of third-parties characters.

Anyone else creeped out/concerned about all the stuff going on with Etika?

I legit am seriously scared he's dead and they won't find him alive. Not sure how someone who would eventually have someone recognize him could disappear and not eventually run into someone who knows who he is.

Hoping for the best. Fear the worst.

I'm creeped out and concerned, yes, but I also don't want to give him the attention he wants either. I'm torn between wanting to help him in some way or ignoring this completely.

 

[BlueMonk]

I'm creeped out and concerned, yes, but I also don't want to give him the attention he wants either. I'm torn between wanting to help him in some way or ignoring this completely.

This is different from the other times. He uploaded a video that was essentially a suicide note and then went missing.

 

[Deleted member]

Why is the trailer theory even a thing?

Has anyone not ever played DQ or at least understand that Dharkon is used as a stand for the final bosses of DQ which are normally scions of darkness (demon lords), and that BK trailer mirror's Gruntilda's defeat at the end of the first game or that Duck Hunt shares the same concept as duo fighter?

(That reminds me, can we agree that Ken is the most punished character by far? He got owned in his intro trailer)

 

[Metal Shop X]

I'm creeped out and concerned, yes, but I also don't want to give him the attention he wants either. I'm torn between wanting to help him in some way or ignoring this completely.

I don't think it's about attention at this point.

Seeing his latest video and the two breakdown he had before, I think he has actual mental problem and that he really feel horrible for what he did, and now, wherever he is, it's probably not a good idea thinking he is doing it just to get more views.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Why is the trailer theory even a thing?

Has anyone not ever played DQ or at least understand that Dharkon is used as a standoff the final bosses of DQ which are normally scions of darkness (demon lords), and that BK trailer mirror's Gruntilda's defeat at the end of the first game or that Duck Hunt shares the same concept as duo fighter?

(That reminds me, can we agree that Ken is the most punished character by far? He got owned in his intro trailer)

can't top Luigi getting his soul ripped from his body, and just as he's about to pop back into his body he sees Carmilla's Mask and probably dies of fright...again

I don't think it's about attention at this point.

Seeing his latest video and the two breakdown he had before, I think he has genuily mental problem and that he really feel horrible for what he did, and now, wherever he is, it's probably not a good idea thinking he is doing it just to get more views.

Spoiler: possible sensitive subject matter

you know they're saying he's in a cult or two, something about a Satanic New World Order cult called Venus Project

and they say they found a body wash up in the search areas and it wasn't Etika. knowing the brainwashing **** cults are known for... what if it's Etika who's not in danger, but is the danger...

 

[Noipoi]

Oh god I’m getting fat but I hate working out noooooooooooooo




Anyway what if Phoenix Wright’s trailer had him prosecuting Ganondorf in court or something

 

[Cosmic77]

This is different form the other times. He uploaded a video that was essentially a suicide note and then went missing.

I know, which is why I'm gonna be livid if this is another one of his stunts for attention. Suicide is a serious issue, and it shouldn't be used as a way to manipulate people into fussing over you.

He does need help though, I won't argue with that.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Oh god I’m getting fat but I hate working out noooooooooooooo




Anyway what if Phoenix Wright’s trailer had him prosecuting Ganondorf in court or something

But what about Yosh-

ow

I was - ow - just- ow -joking.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I never understood why some people specifically push for Western characters and indie reps while ignoring the rest of their options. It shouldn't matter whether a character is indie or third-party. It could be a small bonus to getting the character in Smash, but I'd never invest all of my energy into getting a character for that sole purpose. Instead of supporting a character because they come from a specific company and you have some imaginary quota to fill, why not support a character because you genuinely like the character?

And that's coming from someone who hates a majority of third-parties characters.



I'm creeped out and concerned, yes, but I also don't want to give him the attention he wants either. I'm torn between wanting to help him in some way or ignoring this completely.

I mean, I don't think anybody has been supporting particular characters because they come from particular companies. While I believe Capcom and Namco are absolutely getting the final two spots in the Fighter Pass, I support Resident Evil characters, Dante, Heihachi, and Lloyd Irving because I like the characters and am interested in what they can bring to Smash, not because they come from those two companies.

Also, not that I'm judging, but why do you hate 3rd parties? Do you only hate some, or particular ones? It just...saying you hate 3rd parties pretty much means you'd hate (strong word) anything that isn't Nintendo, and it generalizes a lot of different games under one term. That sells them short.

No offense, but you're missing out on a lot of good games my friend.

 

[BlueMonk]

I know, which is why I'm gonna be livid if this is another one of his stunts for attention. Suicide is a serious issue, and it shouldn't be used as a way to manipulate people into fussing over you.

He does need help though, I won't argue with that.

Suicide is a serious issue, which is why we shouldn't even entertain the notion that he might be doing it for views, especially since he was never doing any of this for publicity in the first place.

 

[Z25]

Anyone else creeped out/concerned about all the stuff going on with Etika?

I legit am seriously scared he's dead and they won't find him alive. Not sure how someone who would eventually have someone recognize him could disappear and not eventually run into someone who knows who he is.

Hoping for the best. Fear the worst.

A little, but he was by the Brooklyn bridge and they’ve recovered bodies already from there none of which were his. Then you have the whole he planned this theory with that tweet telling him to have a mental breakdown on the exact day the video went out.

He could easily just have a pretty terrible person hiding him and covering up the facts from the rest of his fans. A friend could easily do this for him but it be pretty ****ed up. I still think this would have been found out by now though.

So it can still go either way, he could be hiding well or he didn’t go where he did in the video to disappear

 

[Deleted member]

Anyone else creeped out/concerned about all the stuff going on with Etika?

I legit am seriously scared he's dead and they won't find him alive. Not sure how someone who would eventually have someone recognize him could disappear and not eventually run into someone who knows who he is.

Hoping for the best. Fear the worst.

The fact that they found those monitors missing from his apartment is a good sign at least, but I'm still pretty worried. Hell. there's evidence to suggest that he's wrapped up in some kind of cult.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I never understood why some people specifically push for Western characters and indie reps while ignoring the rest of their options. It shouldn't matter whether a character is indie or third-party. It could be a small bonus to getting the character in Smash, but I'd never invest all of my energy into getting a character for that sole purpose. Instead of supporting a character because they come from a specific company and you have some imaginary quota to fill, why not support a character because you genuinely like the character?

And that's coming from someone who hates a majority of third-parties characters.

People like representation in their games. Sometimes that's characters of a certain gender, body type, or race. Other times, it's where they come from in terms of companies and what they represent. People want Western icons in Smash because they perceive a lack of them in the game and want the other side of gaming to be represented. If Smash is going to be a celebration of gaming, then people are going to naturally want to see their own perceptions of gaming equally represented. It's entirely possible that's it. Just a different sense of priorities than everyone else with their character choices. Especially if you've already got characters you want in the game, it's easy to not really care about who the character is, but what they bring to the table and how they expand the franchise moving forward.

Though, to be honest, I generally don't see people exclusively saying it should be an indie or a third party just because, there's usually some notable connection somewhere there beyond that.

 

[ShotoStar 2]

Don't all of the theories have certain things that make it easily debunkable?

Partner theory- requires all characters to have partners, technically already debunked based on the difference between Kazooie and Morgana/Slime
Color series- requires all characters to be determined by color, which could have a character with no association with the color blue having a blue background, or other combos
Trailer theory- literally any character besides Nightmare or Crash debunks it

Mii Theory, again, is the only one with precedent. It also follows the logical thought that Capcom and Namco would get their costumes back as DLC (because $$$$) with their own characters in a bundle, similar to how the other characters/updates have been handled.

Eh, it's not so much that it has to be Shovel Knight, but moreso that he's easily the biggest get out of any Indie character. The fact that he's the only indie as an Assist Trophy, to me, says that loud and clear.

The other part of it is that it's not as if any one Indie character represents all indies. Shovel Knight doesn't represent Undertale. Undertale would represent Undertale. It might represent the genre, but it's not as if one pick encapsulates all of one genre. See what I mean?

I just don't think it's likely to get any Indie characters in this Fighter pass in the first place, but that's me.

You could also say Color Theory has precedence with how the three fighters so far plus Piranha Plant all line up perfectly with their color association. And it seems people forget that Mii Costumes can and likely will be released between Character Reveals so if we get a Costume for Phoenix Wright/Leon Kennedy/Jill Valentine it could easily debunk it.

We could also very well get another new company as apart of the fighters pass which could debunk Mii Costume theory. Sure it has precedence but Color Theory does too. Just cause you get one or two things right doesn't mean the theory is correct and any theory could be debunked even Color or Costume theory.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

The Waluigi and Undertale rumor feels like it was created by a guy that only plays games that are internet meme famous or only Nintendo spoon fed him for the past 20 years of his life

 

[Cosmic77]

Also, not that I'm judging, but why do you hate 3rd parties? Do you only hate some, or particular ones? It just...saying you hate 3rd parties pretty much means you'd hate (strong word) anything that isn't Nintendo, and it generalizes a lot of different games under one term. That sells them short.

No offense, but you're missing out on a lot of good games my friend.

It's not that I despise all third-parties or anything, it's just that the list is so broad that the odds of me getting one of the few third-parties from both a game I've played and one I actually want is slim. Nintendo characters have a better shot of getting in, and the list is waaaay smaller.

Basically, I have better chances of getting a Nintendo character that I like than I do with third-parties. It's what I grew up with, and it's what I'm most familiar with. I'd just prefer Sakurai sticking to the big names like Sonic, Mega Man, and Pac-Man over more oddball choices like Bayonetta and Joker.

Suicide is a serious issue, which is why we shouldn't even entertain the notion that he might be doing it for views, especially since he was never doing any of this for publicity in the first place.

I'm certainly not saying this shouldn't be taken seriously because all suicide threats, regardless of whether or not they seem fake, are extremely important to address.

That being said, I can't bring myself to be as worried about him as everyome else is. He has my prayers, but I'm skeptical regardless.

 

[Z25]

I just realized something:

It was a hint this whole time!

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Don't all of the theories have certain things that make it easily debunkable?

Partner theory- requires all characters to have partners, technically already debunked based on the difference between Kazooie and Morgana/Slime
Color series- requires all characters to be determined by color, which could have a character with no association with the color blue having a blue background, or other combos
Trailer theory- literally any character besides Nightmare or Crash debunks it

Mii Theory, again, is the only one with precedent. It also follows the logical thought that Capcom and Namco would get their costumes back as DLC (because $$$$) with their own characters in a bundle, similar to how the other characters/updates have been handled.

Eh, it's not so much that it has to be Shovel Knight, but moreso that he's easily the biggest get out of any Indie character. The fact that he's the only indie as an Assist Trophy, to me, says that loud and clear.

The other part of it is that it's not as if any one Indie character represents all indies. Shovel Knight doesn't represent Undertale. Undertale would represent Undertale. It might represent the genre, but it's not as if one pick encapsulates all of one genre. See what I mean?

I just don't think it's likely to get any Indie characters in this Fighter pass in the first place, but that's me.

I'm sorry, but for as much as people like him, Shovel Knight's still a flavor of the month character. He doesn't have the longevity or legacy behind him like Shantae does (and she actually is a pretty Nintendo-centric character). Shovel Knight got lucky to be as well-known as he is, but at this point, with all of his unneeded cameos, he's actually begun to lose a lot of what made him special in the first place.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Anyone else creeped out/concerned about all the stuff going on with Etika?

Depends if this is a boy who cried wolf situation or not. On one hand this seems to happen a lot, a little to often. It’s very on and off. On the other it could be real. There’s convincing evidence for both sides. It’s looking to be another stunt for publicity but it gets you wondering if this guy seriously has an issue. I’m not going to form a solid opinion on the matter until I’m confident in what’s going on.

 

[Opossum]

I just realized something:
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It was a hint this whole time!

That is literally a generic witch. Banjo being in doesn't retroactively make this a hint.