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[Mega Bidoof]

This is hilarious, because it screws sabi over.

Did heh forgot they too had a C and D? According to hem during E3 they couldn’t say anything on Nintendo rumors. Which paragon said the same, and literally never commented publicly. Hell papa geno’s said it himself paragon wouldn’t comment.

So sabi just proved that she’s a liar, and paragon probably still is.

But that’s an oof

How does Sabi saying this other leaker didn’t get a C&D prove that she didn’t? Am I missing something?

 

[Z25]

I think Sabi was only C&D’d on saying who was definitively, 100%, without a doubt in (Hero and Banjo). Pretty sure she can still say who ISN’T in

Nope they claimed they were C and D’d on everything, it’s why they wouldn’t leak the Nintendo presentation.

Although it’s pretty clear to me she didn’t have that info to begin with and made up an excuse. Especially when she messed up on the lawyer’s email

 

[Deleted member]

I think Sabi was only C&D’d on saying who was definitively, 100%, without a doubt in (Hero and Banjo). Pretty sure she can still say who ISN’T in

Exactly.

Sabi is only denied from leaking Nintendo stuff.

They can still share thoughts on stuff that may potentially be fake.

Nope they claimed they were C and D’d on everything, it’s why they wouldn’t leak the Nintendo presentation.

Although it’s pretty clear to me she didn’t have that info to begin with and made up an excuse. Especially when she messed up on the lawyer’s email

Nope.

Only Nintendo leaks, they apparently are still able to leak from other companies right now.

 

[Z25]

How does Sabi saying this other leaker didn’t get a C&D prove that she didn’t? Am I missing something?

Sabi is directly commenting on a “leak”. One some people are seriously considering. According to sabi she couldn’t comment or leak on anything Nintendo related during E3. C and D’s don’t have magic expiration dates

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Nope they claimed they were C and D’d on everything, it’s why they wouldn’t leak the Nintendo presentation.

How do you know this? Did she say that somewhere?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

So i'm really struggling with what games to get and when.

There's a deal at Target right now where if you pre-order a game, you can get an older game for 30% off. I still need DMCV, so that's an easy pick. But when it comes to the pre-order, I'm stuck between Marvel Ultimate Alliance and Borderlands 2.

I'm still going to call around to see if any stores are doing the Special Edition of Three Houses before I get the standard version. But after asking some friends, I'm still not sure which of MUA and Borderlands to pick. Thoughts?

 

[Deleted member]

How do you know this? Did she say that somewhere?

No.

Sabi said that they are only denied of leaking Nintendo stuff right now.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Sabi is directly commenting on a “leak”. One some people are seriously considering. According to sabi she couldn’t comment or leak on anything Nintendo related during E3. C and D’s don’t have magic expiration dates

We don’t know what the C&D said, do we? All we know is that she got one.

 

[Z25]

How do you know this? Did she say that somewhere?

I’ll look for the tweet but she said she couldn’t say a damn thing about Nintendo’s conference after bragging that she was gonna leak it.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

I’ll look for the tweet but she said she couldn’t say a damn thing about Nintendo’s conference after bragging that she was gonna leak it.

Saying that another leak is BS over a week after E3 doesn’t seem to fit those parameters.

 

[Z25]

We don’t know what the C&D said, do we? All we know is that she got one.

A C and D is not issued for one game.

Nintendo didn’t go: “ok you can leak everything but smash bros!”

No your not allowed to say anything on rumors if under a C and d or risking legal action

 

[Deleted member]

On the topic of the fandom and how it shifts moving forward, I think it's time for a shake up. I've loved a lot of traditionally popular characters because I very much grew up with so many of them. King K. Rool, Banjo Kazooie, and Geno were all characters I'd encountered and loved prior to ever considering them as characters in Smash (here's hoping the most unlikely outcome of Geno finally happens, but I know it's a long shot). I think we'll see people like me going forward who still end up with attachments to these characters and join in with any of the old guard who are still pushing for certain characters. I don't think you'll ever really see certain characters go away at this point, though I do think we may begin to see more and more dropoff.

And honestly, it makes a lot of sense. Most of the characters that were desired in the Brawl era have now either made it in or have dropped off completely. Geno, Isaac, and Bomberman seem to be really the major ones left at this point. Smash 4 has more requested characters left, but most of the top have made it in already with like Bandanna Dee being left over. The list of big requests the community can rally behind has shrunk so much with Ultimate's release. I think a lot of people are just plainly satisfied right now and are ready to move on from speculation.

Which is a really good thing for the community since it opens up all kinds of new possibilities for speculation and lets some new blood take over the reigns. More than ever, this last year seems to have been a frustrating experience for a lot of newcomers who want non-traditional picks for the Smash community. Seniority doesn't really mean much and really shouldn't. You're requesting characters in a video game, not building a resume for a career. There's nothing inherently more deserving of your 10 years of support for one character to someone's 6 months of another. All this speculation and discussion is just supposed to be for fun and because we like talking about the games, but I think people have gotten way too invested to the point where it makes the community standoffish and often exclusionary. Again, I love and want Geno, but I don't really give a damn about how long he has been requested in the Smash bubble. That doesn't make him a better character choice than someone like Steve on principle.

I mostly want to see a community that doesn't freak the **** out every time things don't go their way or when choices not specifically tailored to them show up. Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, and Dragon Quest are massive franchises with huge appeal to a wide variety of people, but you'd think they were niche games based upon how some people talk and react to their inclusion in Smash. Smash has moved beyond just being a Nintendo character focused fighting game, and we need to accept that it has become something much bigger and arguably better. With that change, a whole new field of possibilities has opened up to genuinely excite people in way that Mach Rider for example never will be able to (nothing against Mach Rider, but a great example for what I'm talking about). And beyond that, so much of the creative stuff in Smash has come from places other than the most requested fighters, and I hate how they're constantly derided despite their uniqueness (R.O.B., Wii Fit Trainer, Piranha Plant, etc).

I know much of the community has gotten better than it used to be, and I know I'm strawmanning a little bit here since I'm addressing a lot of things at once, but I do want to see the community finally break the deadlock of traditionally popular character choices and look forward to such a future.

Hopefully the community improves and diversifies, I fear that a lot of the speculation being focused on Ridley, K. Rool and BK for a long time and now that they're getting into the game is just going to make the remaining big groups (Geno, Isaac, etc) as loud and vocal as these groups were.

While I understand the appeal of many of these characters, I feel that a lot of the hype **** that surrounds them makes speculation of other characters difficult as the smaller fanbases get drowned on the bigger fanbases.

Hot take: I don’t really believe in any recent “theory” like Mii costume theory (Lloyd/Heihachi/the Capcom costumes might not return and it wouldn’t necessarily mean anything, like how Isaac’s AT being absent from 3DS/WiiU meant nothing), Trailer theory (seems a bit too big of a stretch tbh), etc.

I can sort of entertain color theory (KOS-MOS, who I want, might fit blue) and light/dark theory, but I don’t take them seriously. And box “theory” wasn’t a theory, it was fact.

What I do believe in is the datamined WoL character slots, “Jane” possibly being Kasumi Yoshizawa, and that I believe we’ll get at LEAST one first party in the pass and at LEAST one standalone female character.

But at the end of the day, it’s Sakurai’s decision and anything goes.

What's the trailer theory?

 

[Deleted member]

I’ll look for the tweet but she said she couldn’t say a damn thing about Nintendo’s conference after bragging that she was gonna leak it.

That's regarding real leaks, which spoiling the conference obviously counts as.

Fake leaks can still be commented.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Probably unpopular opinion, but if Black Shadow somehow got in I'd prefer he was a semi-clone at least, or a Ken style echo. You could use stuff from the anime, incorporate his machine and stuff from GX too. He'd be faster than CF but have bad startup, he could use his boost fire like Akuma's dark tatsu, his grab could be him using his energy lasso from GX, he could use his Mind Waves to stun opponents. Hell if you wanted to get crazy, maybe you could have him be able to summon a copy of a fighter onto the stage to attack. I'm aware this is completely unrealistic and he would definitely just be like Dark Samus, but I can dream.

That sounds a lot better than Ganondorf minus Doriyah. Plus that'd make him reference the series more than Captain Falcon.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Hopefully the community improves and diversifies, I fear that a lot of the speculation being focused on Ridley, K. Rool and BK for a long time and now that they're getting into the game is just going to make the remaining big groups (Geno, Isaac, etc) as loud and vocal as these groups were.

While I understand the appeal of many of these characters, I feel that a lot of the hype **** that surrounds them makes speculation of other characters difficult as the smaller fanbases get drowned on the bigger fanbases.

What's the trailer theory?

That Hero’s trailer teased at Nightmare (how??) and Banjo’s teased at someone from Undertale (all K. Rool did was make a himself-shaped hole in the ground like an old cartoon, how does that = him ending up in the Underground?)

I don’t buy Companion Theory either

 

[Deleted member]

So i'm really struggling with what games to get and when.

There's a deal at Target right now where if you pre-order a game, you can get an older game for 30% off. I still need DMCV, so that's an easy pick. But when it comes to the pre-order, I'm stuck between Marvel Ultimate Alliance and Borderlands 2.

I'm still going to call around to see if any stores are doing the Special Edition of Three Houses before I get the standard version. But after asking some friends, I'm still not sure which of MUA and Borderlands to pick. Thoughts?

Depends, have you played previous MUA games? If not I would wait for a demo as it's kinda Diablo-like hack'n slash game that's helped a lot by the fanservice factor, this one has a pretty good roster IMO and it depends also on having some of your favorite Marvel heroes in. I'm not a fan of loot-based games so I can't comment on BL3.

 

[Z25]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Now tell me do you honestly believe this means she could comment on fake leaks? No especially when they came from someone who had real information. Papa geno’s validated the claims for E3 on paragon’s part.

Making paragon a real leaker and the screenshots fake.

She wouldn’t be able to comment like this with a cease and desist.

Not to mention I know she posted that letter and took it down when people pointed flaws in it out

 

[Iridium]

That Hero’s trailer teased at Nightmare (how??) and Banjo’s teased at someone from Undertale (all K. Rool did was make a himself-shaped hole in the ground like an old cartoon, how does that = him ending up in the Underground?)

I don’t buy Companion Theory either

It's still going to be Chair Theory 2.0 at this point. There's nothing going for it, just some unnecessarily deep observations.

 

[Deleted member]

That Hero’s trailer teased at Nightmare (how??) and Banjo’s teased at someone from Undertale (all K. Rool did was make a himself-shaped hole in the ground like an old cartoon, how does that = him ending up in the Underground?)

I don’t buy Companion Theory either

That **** again? I remember posting almost immediately that the whole Dharkon stuff is pretty much a reference to DQ final bosses being Demon/Dark lords. BK trailer I remember someone linking it to Crash before, so I would doubt Undertale as well if its so flexible (plus the K. Rool hole is a reference to Gruntilda's defeat at the end of BK, do people actually play any games?),

Why are the most reaching theories the most popular taking off?

 

[Z25]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

“But hey guys, let discredit the **** out of this real leaker(ignoring the fake screenshots someone made), so the attention comes back to me!”

She would not be allowed to say this ****. She lied about the c and d because she didn’t have the info. Hell even verge didn’t have the info and he was on fire.

It should be pretty clear sabi was lying about the legal issues and wanted attention

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Grant Kirkhope just pronounced Sakurai as "Sah-koo-rye." Now we riot.

 

[BlueMonk]

Now tell me do you honestly believe this means she could comment on fake leaks? No especially when they came from someone who had real information. Papa geno’s validated the claims for E3 on paragon’s part.

Making paragon a real leaker and the screenshots fake.

She wouldn’t be able to comment like this with a cease and desist.

Not to mention I know she posted that letter and took it down when people pointed flaws in it out

I believe she also mentioned wanting to comment on a fake leak but not being able to a while back. I can't find the tweet though, I think it was in response to something.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Grant Kirkhope just pronounced Sakurai as "Sah-koo-rye." Now we riot.

it's ok he gets the kirkhope pass, he's all good

 

[StormC]

I thought the whole boomer/zoomer thing was a joke. I don’t think many people are actually calling themselves boomers to feel better than “zoomers,” the whole thing is patently absurd and that’s the point. Some people here acting like grandpa put in K. Rool and Banjo and stole their favs’ spot, lol.

 

[Noipoi]

I thought the whole boomer/zoomer thing was a joke. I don’t think many people are actually calling themselves boomers to feel better than “zoomers,” the whole thing is patently absurd and that’s the point. Some people here acting like grandpa put in K. Rool and Banjo and stole their favs’ spot, lol.

Grandpa’s most wanted Smash character is Pong

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

it's ok he gets the kirkhope pass, he's all good

No one is safe.

Spoiler: Big Image Time

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Anyway, now that I’ve discovered the formula to genetically engineered cat girls nothing can stop me

can you make a cat boy for me?

 

[Noipoi]

No one is safe.

Spoiler: Big Image Time

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“Come and have a go, if you think you’re hard enough.”

 

[BlueMonk]

I thought the whole boomer/zoomer thing was a joke. I don’t think many people are actually calling themselves boomers to feel better than “zoomers,” the whole thing is patently absurd and that’s the point. Some people here acting like grandpa put in K. Rool and Banjo and stole their favs’ spot, lol.

That's always been my perception of it too, the joke is younger people perceiving millenials as being hyperbolically older than them. I'm pretty sure it mostly comes from those younger people too, in a self-aware sort of way.

 

[Arcanir]

It will be interesting to see what happens with the next speculation cycle, but if I'm not as sure that the old guard is going to completely disappear. It is true that characters like Ridley, K. Rool and Banjo getting in means that a large number of fan favorites over the years have finally gotten their chance, but it doesn't mean that there aren't other options that have existed for just as long nor options that will continue to garner attention whether due to constant exposure and/or a dedicated fanbase. Characters like Dixie have been around since Brawl, and while she was in the shadow of K. Rool she maintained a fanbase that loves her, and despite the 13 years that have passed they still would love to see her whether now in DLC or later in a future game. That dedication will probably never go away as it hasn't faltered over the years, and fans will still push for her even as time marches on. Additionally, we also have to consider that characters that have been around for a long time can get new fans that have played with them in a newer entry. Waluigi for instance has always been a part of the Mario spinoffs, and due to his constant appearances there he gained a huge fanbase that loves him for his character and it continues to grow as more fans pick up newer entries and see what's to love about him. As long as he has those games he will probably never disappear from speculation either, and his fanbase will be maintained as old and new blood keep him running. Characters like those two will remain with speculation for as long as their fanbases continue to want them, and that will likely remain true until whenever they manage to join the roster in the future.

With that said, just because those old characters exists doesn't mean the newer characters are going to be overlooked. Shulk, Inklings, and Isabelle are three characters that were new to the scene that still managed to get a large fanbase around them that loved them and wanted to see them. Inklings in particular were probably the most expected character for Ultimate due to their high popularity, even surpassing characters like K. Rool in the same timeframe before their confirmation. I can easily see characters like Spring Man (or Ribbon Girl or Twintelle) rise in a similar fashion, as well as new IPs like Astral Chains and Dragalia Lost if their franchises are still pushed and remain popular in the years to come and have options for characters that fans would love to see. Similarly, pre-existing franchises will also have options like a new FE lord, a Gen 8/9/10 Pokémon, and a new Xenoblade character that will come around and garner attention due to attracting a large fanbase, as well as characters like the Octolings who are newish, but will continue to rise as their franchises go on and keep them around. There will definitely be a place for all these options in speculation, and even if characters like Dixie or Bandana Dee have a similar rise to their predecessors, the new blood will still manage to attract a fanbase that will gladly push for them until their character finally joins.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Ok guys, I have an idea for an alternate outfit for Banjo. Hear me out...

Spoiler: Big Image Time

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

omg what if the new hair in New Horizon has cat/rabbit ears,
i can be a cat/rabbit person

Ignore my stupidity

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

That Hero’s trailer teased at Nightmare (how??) and Banjo’s teased at someone from Undertale (all K. Rool did was make a himself-shaped hole in the ground like an old cartoon, how does that = him ending up in the Underground?)

I don’t buy Companion Theory either

I think they said Dharkon’s eye was supposed to look like Soul Edge’s eye, but the resemblance is purely coincidental. The only time Soul Edge’s eye looked like that was in SC3, the PlayStation exclusive game in 2005, and I really doubt Nightmare would take his design from that particular game as opposed to SC2 or SC6. Either way, Dharkon already had a created model for cinematics already so it means nothing.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

It'd be fair game if the last two DLC characters were Nintendo/1st party reps.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Ok guys, I have an idea for an alternate outfit for Banjo. Hear me out...

Spoiler: Big Image Time

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you lack imagination

Spoiler

 

[Noipoi]

omg what if the new hair in New Horizon has cat/rabbit ears,
i can be a cat/rabbit person

Ignore my stupidity

Being hype isn’t stupid

I’ve got a whole list of Pokémon **** to babble about once the tree memes die out

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Man how much I still want Trailer Theory to be true. Both Nightmare and Crash IMO would end the Season Pass so perfectly.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Ok guys, I have an idea for an alternate outfit for Banjo. Hear me out...

Spoiler: Big Image Time

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Make a Kazoo Kazooie and put it on his back, then you’ll be gold.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Apparently Grant Kirkhope's family knew about Banjo since Grant's son walked into him composing the Spiral Mountain remix.

I just found that funny.

 

[Aurane]

Ok guys, I have an idea for an alternate outfit for Banjo. Hear me out...

Spoiler: Big Image Time

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"I'm a Banjo! WOOOOOOOAAAAAAAHHHHH!"