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[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Being hype isn’t stupid

I’ve got a whole list of Pokémon **** to babble about once the tree memes die out

Well, I know hair with animal Ears isnt gonna be a thing pfff. I do wonder if they will show us the new hair and faces tho

 

[TheMightyP]

I would try watching DBZ, but I’m afraid I’ll fall asleep from a lack of anything happening.

Though this does sum up my thoughts on the series accurately.

I say do DBZ Kai since it cuts a lot of the filler, most being unessecary fight scenes. They tend to cut to the chase.

 

[Z25]

Apparently Grant Kirkhope's family knew about Banjo since Grant's son walked into him composing the Spiral Mountain remix.
I just found that funny.

Imagine being his son:

“Hey guys my dad works for Nintendo and he told me Banjo And Kazooie are coming to super smash brothers!”

 

[Opossum]

Oh man, I almost missed "my only background in law is playing Ace Attorney but I'm still somehow qualified to make definitive statements about someone else's legal situation" hour. Glad I got back in time!

Anyway here's how Grant Kirkhope talking about Banjo means he's not in.

 

[Deleted member]

Why am I so lame?

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Imagine being his son:

“Hey guys my dad works for Nintendo and he told me Banjo And Kazooie are coming to super smash brothers!”

"Pfft nah that would never happen."

A few months later

Spoiler: Big Image Time

 

[Gentlepanda]

Oh man, I almost missed "my only background in law is playing Ace Attorney but I'm still somehow qualified to make definitive statements about someone else's legal situation" hour. Glad I got back in time!

Anyway here's how Grant Kirkhope talking about Banjo means he's not in.

it's a well established fact that discussing legal matters on smashboards dot com while listening to this in the background basically gives you the full experience of 4 years of law school

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Spoiler: Huge post

I'm not going to comment on leakers and what they are or aren't allowed to talk about. I would say, for now, to not take too many "leakers" seriously for awhile.

No offense to Waluigi and Undertale...but those two picks are kinda..."meme" picks. I realize Undertale is very popular (I want to play it over the Summer), I simply don't see it as likely for Smash. If you go for Indies, I'd think you'd pick Shovel Knight and he's already an assist.

I could be wrong though.

Also, in terms of character theories I'll put it this way:

1) Partner theory relies on each character having a "mascot partner", which would kinda sorta mean that that was either a massive coincidence, or relying on Nintendo/Sakurai to say, "Welp, that AAA character doesn't have a partner. Looks like we can't add them because of something entirely inconsequential to gameplay!"

Not to mention, Kazooie is not a partner or mascot like Morgana or Slime are. It's already dead in the water because it's inconsistent.

In other words, likely a nothingburger.

2) Color theory assumes that characters would be chosen to correspond with a particular color that goes with the setup of the Smash Bros. website, which ironically, does not carry over to the game itself. Considering the website is made for the game and not the other way around, I'm not sure why this matters. I'd actually bet that all characters will have different colors, but it's not an indication of who will get in.

For example for Samus' color is a dark blue, a color that I would never associate with her while in the Varia suit. If that's the type of coloring that happens, why would colors necessarily correspond with the character? Incineroar for example is a yellow color, while Ken is a greyish...maybe purple? He has nothing that fits that. There are several characters that have nearly matching colors, or colors that really aren't associated with anything with their character.

This theory also, again, relies on Nintendo/Sakurai to say, "Well, we can't match a rainbow color to this character, so we can't add them. Oh no!"

Probably a nothingburger. Could we end up with characters all getting different display colors? Sure. That doesn't mean it will indicate who is coming next.

3) Trailer theory relies on the misinterpretation of K.Rool falling into the underground being an Undertale reference, when it is CLEARLY a Banjo-Kazooie reference, you know, because it's a reveal trailer for Banjo-Kazooie?

Dharkon in the Hero trailer is because firstly, Link is fighting off a Dharkon possessed Marth and Meta Knight. There's also, to my knowledge, the fact that it can relate to something with Dragon Quest. There's no precedent for the trailers to mean anything in the first place, except for the fact that MAYBE Joker stealing K.Rool's crown in the Joker gameplay trailer was him "stealing his heart". I think it was also just convenient because of the connection that Banjo, the Kongs, and K.Rool all have from the SNES/N64 days.

Again, likely a nothing burger.

4) Mii Costume theory relies on the idea that characters are saved to be revealed alongside Mii costumes that were previously available in Smash for Wii U/3DS. This theory frankly only formed after Joker's actual reveal brought in the SEGA/Atlus owned properties. There were a few missing, like Akira and Jackie. But from what I've heard, those didn't sell all that great, and Akira made the jump to AT in the first place. That's an explanation, but probably not the strongest.

Compared to the other theories I've listed, there's tangible precedent for Mii theory. Joker brought SEGA/Atlus properties with him, exclusively. We now have an upcoming Square Enix character, and a Microsoft owned character. If the Hero brings back Geno and the Chocobo hat, as well as new Dragon Quest content, that upholds the idea that specific characters would bring in related content to the IP. Banjo-Kazooie bringing Microsoft IP, such as Minecraft or Halo, in addition to Mii costumes for the BK series itself would further back this up.

The only companies that had Mii costumes in Wii U/3DS DLC were Namco Bandai and Capcom. Given the fact that those two companies have solid backlogs of IP, it wouldn't surprise me if their Mii Fighter properties were revealed alongside a character from those companies.

This is also the only theory with precedent. It might rely on costumes being saved for an appropriate time, or imply that Nintendo/Sakurai said, "Well, we can't reveal these Namco/Capcom costumes without a character from those companies! Darn!". But really, it doesn't rely on that. They can reveal those costumes whenever they want.

But there is precedent to believe there may be a method.

Tl;dr, Mii Costume theory is the only one with precedent, but that doesn't mean it's "confirmed" or anything. The others are pretty much nothing, if you ask me.

Wew, lad. I got "huge posted".

 

[Opossum]

Why am I so lame?

Did you hurt your leg?

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Why am I so lame?

I wouldn't say that. Your pretty cool in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member]

Did you hurt your leg?

Nah. I am not funny at all, and I do not feel like a part of here.
I am sorry for causing my hundredth rant, but I can not escape it.

 

[TheMightyP]

Alright, so as for the next big choices in Smash? Well, most of the "Boomer" (dom't take that seriously please) picks are already in, so we have Isaac and Geno being the Brawl requests left. However, I feel as if Geno doesn't get in within this game, than it would be over for him, due lack of popularity with later generations, as well as up and coming picks like Dee and Waluigi taking over the popularity some of the long requested characters had. Isaac might be OK, since's he's an assist, so he still has some spotlight. Shadow would be up there too, he's still popular and recognizable to all generations, and he's still relevant. So, IMO, the next big requests in no particular order are:

• Waluigi
• Isaac
• Dee
• Shadow
• Someone from a newer IP or game, so a Pokemon, ARMS rep, the new Xenoblade characters, etc
• Popular, relevant 3rd Party character. Geno doesn't fall under this due to dying support and lack of recognition with later gens.
• Indie rep

This is just my view, so don't flame me if you disagree.

 

[Deleted member]

Alright, so as for the next big choices in Smash? Well, most of the "Boomer" (dom't take that seriously please) picks are already in, so we have Isaac and Geno being the Brawl requests left. However, I feel as if Geno doesn't get in within this game, than it would be over for him, due lack of popularity with later generations, as well as up and coming picks like Dee and Waluigi taking over the popularity some of the long requested characters had. Isaac might be OK, since's he's an assist, so he still has some spotlight. Shadow would be up there too, he's still popular and recognizable to all generations, and he's still relevant. So, IMO, the next big requests in no particular order are:

1. Waluigi
2. Isaac
3. Dee
4. Shadow
5. Someone from a newer IP or game, so a Pokemon, ARMS rep, the new Xenoblade characters, etc
6. Popular, relevant 3rd Party character. Geno doesn't fall under this due to dying support and lack of recognition with later gens.
7. Indie rep

This is just my view, so don't flame me if you disagree.

My hopes are on Crash Bandicoot being one of the last two.

 

[StormC]

Alright, so as for the next big choices in Smash? Well, most of the "Boomer" (dom't take that seriously please) picks are already in, so we have Isaac and Geno being the Brawl requests left. However, I feel as if Geno doesn't get in within this game, than it would be over for him, due lack of popularity with later generations, as well as up and coming picks like Dee and Waluigi taking over the popularity some of the long requested characters had. Isaac might be OK, since's he's an assist, so he still has some spotlight. Shadow would be up there too, he's still popular and recognizable to all generations, and he's still relevant. So, IMO, the next big requests in no particular order are:

1. Waluigi
2. Isaac
3. Dee
4. Shadow
5. Someone from a newer IP or game, so a Pokemon, ARMS rep, the new Xenoblade characters, etc
6. Popular, relevant 3rd Party character. Geno doesn't fall under this due to dying support and lack of recognition with later gens.
7. Indie rep

This is just my view, so don't flame me if you disagree.

I think Dee will take over Isaac. Kirby is more popular than ever and people are hungry for a Kirby newcomer. Ditto Zelda.

Dixie might start getting talked up again next game once people have moved on from K. Rool.

 

[Deleted member]

I thought the whole boomer/zoomer thing was a joke. I don’t think many people are actually calling themselves boomers to feel better than “zoomers,” the whole thing is patently absurd and that’s the point. Some people here acting like grandpa put in K. Rool and Banjo and stole their favs’ spot, lol.

The boomer/zoomer **** at least from my understanding comes normally from people that want to sound elitist regarding their tastes due to assuming the old stuff is automatically great and end up creating a narrative of "boomer/old stuff=good" and "zoomer/newer stuff=bad". This ends up being detrimental to many discussions not only smash related because it creates a way to shut down criticism to old series and a way to insult new series.

I'm not criticizing K. Rool or Banjo, I'm criticizing the people who keep using these arguments to shutdown any discussions of newer characters that are popular with the young crowd and justifying the characters they like.

(and for god's sake its something that I'm 99% sure comes from the ****ty unfunny wojacks from 4chan which have been outdated since their inception)

 

[TheMightyP]

My hopes are on Crash Bandicoot being one of the last two.

Crash being shoved back into the spotlight really helps him out, as now, younger gens would be able to recognize him, and his goofy antics would charm even the youngest audience, as well as being nostalgic to tje older audience, so he has the appeal to almost everyone if he did get in.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm finally at the cinema room with my friends watching Godzilla.

See ya later!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

A side note with Mii Costume theory, I did some digging to see which Mii Fighter costumes were already added to the game prior to DLC.

To my knowledge, the only ones added prior to DLC are all of the Nintendo owned ones. So that's the Takamaru, Isabelle, K.K. Slider, Link (now BOTW), Captain Falcon, K.Rool, Ashley, Chrom, Dunban, Toad, Smash Bros. T-Shirt, Viridi, Business suit, Samus, Black Knight, Bear, and Flying Man. Each of those was DLC for Smash Wii U/3DS, and is now included in the base game.

Literally all of the remaining 3rd party DLC Mii Fighter costumes, coming from Capcom and Namco Bandai, were not included in the base game or with 3.0 Update content.

This more or less furthers the idea, at least to me, that these updates are being advertised as packages. You get the update regardless, but with the update you get a ton of thematic content. We're missing content from Namco Bandai and Capcom.

if they aren't with the 4.0/Hero update, or the 5.0/Banjo-Kazooie update, it would make logical sense, at least to me, that these properties (Namco-Heihachi, Lloyd, Gil, probably others) and (Capcom- Mega Man X, Mega Man Battle Network, Proto Man, Monster Hunter outfits, Zero) would come as a part of their corresponding bundles.

But I'll leave it at that. It's not fact yet, but I think it's got a logical chance of occurring that way.

 

[TheMightyP]

I think Dee will take over Isaac. Kirby is more popular than ever and people are hungry for a Kirby newcomer. Ditto Zelda.

Dixie might start getting talked up again next game once people have moved on from K. Rool.

I 100% agree here, Dee and Dixie are characters to look out for, especially Dee since he has worldwide appeal. Isaac could hold on, but unless something changes, then a bit of a yikes, but not as big as one that Geno would have.
But yeah, I said my list was in no particular order, and yet I made an ordered list, to that's an L on my part.

 

[StormC]

The boomer/zoomer **** at least from my understanding comes normally from people that want to sound elitist regarding their tastes due to assuming the old stuff is automatically great and end up creating a narrative of "boomer/old stuff=good" and "zoomer/newer stuff=bad". This ends up being detrimental to many discussions not only smash related because it creates a way to shut down criticism to old series and a way to insult new series.

I'm not criticizing K. Rool or Banjo, I'm criticizing the people who keep using these arguments to shutdown any discussions of newer characters that are popular with the young crowd and justifying the characters they like.

(and for god's sake its something that I'm 99% sure comes from the ****ty unfunny wojacks from 4chan which have been outdated since their inception)

I don't think I've really seen much of that though. Most of it is ironic expression that is in a constant feedback loop of irony. Nobody knows who first started calling someone a boomer or a zoomer, but now people wear it the label proudly because it's so absurd it becomes funny. While I agree there is an underlying subconscious sentiment that "old characters are better than new ones" from some posters, I don't think there is a tangible group of people outwardly saying that and establishing their identity off of it. Most of the time when I see people call a character a boomer or zoomer it's tongue-in-cheek.

Of course on the internet ironic expression has become so out of hand that it can be difficult to tell who is genuine or not, but it feels like a lot of people are reading a sinister dynamic into something that amounts to older 20somethings making a joke about being a generation apart from younger 20somethings.

 

[Gentlepanda]

A side note with Mii Costume theory, I did some digging to see which Mii Fighter costumes were already added to the game prior to DLC.

To my knowledge, the only ones added prior to DLC are all of the Nintendo owned ones. So that's the Takamaru, Isabelle, K.K. Slider, Link (now BOTW), Captain Falcon, K.Rool, Ashley, Chrom, Dunban, Toad, Smash Bros. T-Shirt, Viridi, Business suit, Samus, Black Knight, Bear, and Flying Man. Each of those was DLC for Smash Wii U/3DS, and is now included in the base game.

Literally all of the remaining 3rd party DLC Mii Fighter costumes, coming from Capcom and Namco Bandai, were not included in the base game or with 3.0 Update content.

This more or less furthers the idea, at least to me, that these updates are being advertised as packages. You get the update regardless, but with the update you get a ton of thematic content. We're missing content from Namco Bandai and Capcom.

if they aren't with the 4.0/Hero update, or the 5.0/Banjo-Kazooie update, it would make logical sense, at least to me, that these properties (Namco-Heihachi, Lloyd, Gil, probably others) and (Capcom- Mega Man X, Mega Man Battle Network, Proto Man, Monster Hunter outfits, Zero) would come as a part of their corresponding bundles.

But I'll leave it at that. It's not fact yet, but I think it's got a logical chance of occurring that way.

presumably hero will also bring back SE's chocobo hat and geno costume (+ probably a slime hat), and microsoft will bring in vergeben's long-awaited minecraft content (i.e. mii costumes for steve or a creeper)

 

[Deleted member]

I recommend you all should play Smash Ultimate instead of speculate.

 

[Z25]

Boomer and zoomed is just a dumb term, that really only stays relevant as 4chan uses it to insult people.

It’s dumb on both sides. It doesn’t matter when a character was made, every character can be fun and unique, their creation period doesn’t change that.
And fun is what smash is all about, although a lot of the internet forgets this

 

[Gentlepanda]

I recommend you all should play Smash Ultimate instead of speculate.

lmao who the **** plays smash bros

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I recommend you all should play Smash Ultimate instead of speculate.

Jokes on you, I've been playing it basically all this time!

I might actually be down for an arena later too.

 

[Arcanir]

Spoiler: Huge post

No offense to Waluigi and Undertale...but those two picks are kinda..."meme" picks. I realize Undertale is very popular (I want to play it over the Summer), I simply don't see it as likely for Smash. If you go for Indies, I'd think you'd pick Shovel Knight and he's already an assist.

I could be wrong though.

Probably nitpicking here, but quick question: What makes Undertale and Waluigi 'meme picks'? Undertale has always been a rather popular indie title and probably one of the few that could contest Shovel Knight in that regard, so it's not like the popularity of its choices come from nowhere. Similarly, despite being from the spinoff games Waluigi has always had a fanbase as proven by his support thread throughout the years and the fact that fans of his were disappointed when they saw Daisy get in only for him to be excluded again. Neither of those feel like they're joke picks done just for fun like Shrek, there's a legitimate popularity to those choices and I don't think it's fair to write them off as such without good reason.

 

[ShotoStar 2]

I don't really believe any theory or leak so far except for Color Theory which may or may not be true. I think at the very least the last remaining two characters will have a distinct look and feel from the rest of the fighters pass and they may have a color scheme of Blue or Orange or whatever which may play into Color Theory well. I don't believe any theory so far, Even Mii Costume theory it seems to have too specific requirements that makes it easily debunkable or incorrect.

That's part of the reason why I doubt we'll get something like Lloyd Irving or a different JRPG character cause we've already had 2 of them I feel like Sakurai would like to make each character stand out on their own. Joker represents the newer JRPG genre, Hero represents DQ's History and the beginning of the JRPG genre, Banjo represents the Collect-A-Thon genre and so on so forth.

Which brings me to the characters I feel have a shot from most to least likely:
-Jill Valentine/Leon Kennedy (Represents the Survival/Horror genre and has a distinct feel to them).
- Phoenix Wright (Represents the Visual Novel/Adventure genre and he also has a distinct feel).
-Doom Guy (Represents the FPS genre as the grand daddy of all of them and has a distinct feel).
- Heihachi/Jin Kazama (Represents 3D Fighting games and has a distinct feel to them).
-Geno (Represents the older SNES era-Action/Adventure JRPG's and definitely has a distinct feel, He also represents Square and Nintendo's friendship but that's not a genre).

So I feel like these are our contestants:
- Jill Valentine/Leon Kennedy
-Phoenix Wright
-Doom Guy
-Heihachi/Jin
-Geno (please..)

 

[Raxxel]

I thought the whole boomer/zoomer thing was a joke. I don’t think many people are actually calling themselves boomers to feel better than “zoomers,” the whole thing is patently absurd and that’s the point. Some people here acting like grandpa put in K. Rool and Banjo and stole their favs’ spot, lol.

Hopefully nobody was actually buying into the Boomers vs. Zoomers thing. Cause you're a headass if you dunk on something just because you didn't grow up with it.

 

[Schnee117]

I recommend you all should play Smash Ultimate instead of speculate.

Imagine playing Smash Bros

 

[Metal Shop X]

I recommend you all should play Smash Ultimate instead of speculate.

What is a Smash Bros?

Can you eat it?

 

[Deleted member]

What is a Smash Bros?

A miserable little pile of ****.

 

[Raxxel]

Imagine playing Smash Bros

Why play Smash Bros when you can instead argue about which characters are coming in DLC that you're going to buy regardless of its content?

 

[Z25]

I recommend you all should play Smash Ultimate instead of speculate.

Actually playing the game?

What type of sorcery is this?

 

[Schnee117]

What is a Smash Bros?

Can you eat it?

You can eat almost anything.
But just because you can doesn't mean you should.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Why play Smash Bros when you can instead argue about which characters are coming in DLC that you're going to buy regardless of its content?

bold of you to assume i haven't already bought them

 

[Raxxel]

What is a Smash Bros?

Can you eat it?

Actually technically you can eat Smash Bros, it's just going to taste like absolute garbage.

 

[Z25]

*phoenix Wright gets in and his trailer has him defending Leon.
Unfortunately Leon goes to jail, and hands Phoenix Wright his smash invitation for Phoenix to use. How would you react?

 

[Metal Shop X]

A miserable little pile of ****.

But enough talk, HAVE AT YOU! *****!

You can eat almost anything.
But just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Actually technically you can eat Smash Bros, it's just going to taste like absolute garbage.

Yoshi & Kirby disagree with both of you.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I recommend you all should play Smash Ultimate instead of speculate.

Then I guess this site is pretty much moot then

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Spoiler

This is the best trailer for a game I have ever heard