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[Z25]

Tbh, if it makes way for more unique characters in the Mario spinoffs, then I'm all for it. Especially if they appear in the main series like Goomboss did.

Future Mainline Mario game with the Vellumentals since TOK established them as Gods? (It's not gonna happen)

I mean actually dragons are in mainline Mario’s now, other animals and the vellumentals would make some sense.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

But why does it 'need' to go on?

It was a small franchise built around a single story, it never tried to be more than that. With games like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, they're usually self-contained stories that only lightly call back to elements from other games. Earthbound was a single story, it didn't 'need' to continue.


I don't see what the benefit of continuing the series would be. I love Earthbound, hell, I'd say it's one of my favorite RPGs of all time, but I'm more than okay with letting it rest forever.

Giving fans of the series something new to play in the franchise for one. Continuing to expand on the unique RPG mechanics that only EarthBound has ever done and no other franchise has gone on to use. And from a corporate perspective, making more money off of another franchise.

In my opinion, no franchise should ever die. As hypocritical as this might sound depending on your view of me, every franchise statistically means the world to someone. And nobody should have to miss out on the feeling of looking forward to new installments in their favorite franchises for any reason. I have a severe problem with that happening to lots of the things I enjoy and it's so disheartening seeing everyone else getting to experience that joy and rarely/never being able to experience that yourself. And it's even more disheartening when people say in response to that that the series needs to stay dead "for a reason" and to just "get into something new", completely missing the point.

 

[Shroob]

Giving fans of the series something new to play in the franchise for one. Continuing to expand on the unique RPG mechanics that only EarthBound has ever done and no other franchise has gone on to use. And from a corporate perspective, making more money off of another franchise.

In my opinion, no franchise should ever die. As hypocritical as this might sound depending on your view of me, every franchise statistically means the world to someone. And nobody should have to miss out on the feeling of looking forward to new installments in their favorite franchises for any reason. I have a severe problem with that happening to lots of the things I enjoy and it's so disheartening seeing everyone else getting to experience that joy and rarely/never being able to experience that yourself. And it's even more disheartening when people say in response to that that the series needs to stay dead "for a reason" and to just "get into something new", completely missing the point.

>Continue Earthbound
>It goes down the Paper Mario route

"Aren't you happy! It's more Earthbound content!"


No, absolutely, some things SHOULD die. To die with dignity is to better than become a shambling corpse kept alive by corporate fat cats.

 

[TheMightyP]

I mean actually dragons are in mainline Mario’s now, other animals and the vellumentals would make some sense.

Implying Nintendo will actually use unique characters from spinoffs nowadays.

Please prove me wrong Ninty.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

>Continue Earthbound
>It goes down the Paper Mario route

"Aren't you happy! It's more Earthbound content!"


No, absolutely, some things SHOULD die. To die with dignity is to better than become a shambling corpse kept alive by corporate fat cats.

You can only say this because you have the privilege of liking things that are generally perceived as "good" and have had the mercy of being kept alive by the love of their fans and the passion of the developers. Imagine if that weren't the case. If you weren't so lucky. How would you feel then?

 

[TheMightyP]

Also, Color Splash really did pay for all of Sticker Star's sins lol.

 

[Shroob]

You can only say this because you have the privilege of liking things that are generally perceived as "good" and have had the mercy of being kept alive by the love of their fans and the passion of the developers. Imagine if that weren't the case. If you weren't so lucky. How would you feel then?

Snake, I can name over a dozen series I like who are both dead or became nothing more than soulless husks by keeping them alive well past their expiration date.

I'd 100% rather have a series die on its own will and be remembered fondly by its fans, than to have a series become nothing more than a "We need this out by X date" series.

 

[Wademan94]

You can only say this because you have the privilege of liking things that are generally perceived as "good" and have had the mercy of being kept alive by the love of their fans and the passion of the developers. Imagine if that weren't the case. If you weren't so lucky. How would you feel then?

Would you feel the same if it happened to a series you loved dearly? If you saw it stripped of everything you enjoyed about it, would you wish for it to continue because “I should be grateful to get more of this thing even though it’s not what it used to be”?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Snake, I can name over a dozen series I like who are both dead or became nothing more than soulless husks by keeping them alive well past their expiration date.

I'd 100% rather have a series die on its own will and be remembered fondly by its fans, than to have a series become nothing more than a "We need this out by X date" series.

Over a dozen. Really. That's a laugh.

How many could you name where that's not the case. How many things do you like where that didn't happen. I guarantee they outnumber a dozen.

 

[Mamboo07]

Anyone ever notice that knees are just giant leg knuckles?

 

[Wademan94]

Anyone ever notice that knees are just giant leg knuckles?

Some shower thoughts should never leave the shower.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Would you feel the same if it happened to a series you loved dearly? If you saw it stripped of everything you enjoyed about it, would you wish for it to continue because “I should be grateful to get more of this thing even though it’s not what it used to be”?

It has happened to something I love and hold very close to my heart. The Ben 10 series. The reboot is stripped of everything I loved it for and they have no indication of wanting to go back. But I'm glad it's still alive. I'm glad executives still think it's profitable and I'm glad that it's still in the public consciousness. As long as it is still living there is always the chance that the generation of fans who grew up with it and who hold it close to their hearts like I do can end up in the drivers seat. That can't happen if the series dies. The same applies, to a lesser extent, to the modern Star Trek projects, the DC Live Action movies, and Spyro the Dragon. I have so few franchises that I adore and am passionate about that are still alive and kicking that I will not wish any of them to die for any reason. I know what that void is like and I would not wish that level of loneliness on my worst enemy.

 

[Shroob]

Over a dozen. Really. That's a laugh.

How many could you name where that's not the case. How many things do you like where that didn't happen. I guarantee they outnumber a dozen.

Megaman Zero: The series ended on its own accord. ZX tried to pick up the story again, but sold abysmally.

Megaman Battle Network: The series ended after 6~ games. Starforce was a sequel series, but Battle Network has been more or less dead since the series ended.

Megaman Legends: 2 games, 3rd game got cancelled and would have wrapped up the original trilogy's story.

Mother series as a whole, but I'll count them as 1 entry.

Blazblue: Story's over, series is done.

Crono Trigger: 2 games, the second game was meh.

That's six right there, need I go on?


But let's take a detour of games that became soulless due to corporate mandates:


Chibi Robo
Paper Mario
Pokemon
Call of Duty
Star Fox
Metroid pre-Samus Returns


Need I go on?

 

[TheMightyP]

Sometimes, series should take breaks for the sake of quality.

I love Paper Mario to this day, and I can admit that the 4th and 5th games did not need to exist (the 5th one in particular was disrespected hard by the big N that it makes you think). I love Pokemon, and I have to admit that Gen 8 is one of the weakest gens, and I don't blame people for skipping it. I love Marvel Films, and I can admit that some of the later films have gotten a bit sloppy.

Sometimes, quality > Quantity.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Megaman Zero: The series ended on its own accord. ZX tried to pick up the story again, but sold abysmally.

Megaman Battle Network: The series ended after 6~ games. Starforce was a sequel series, but Battle Network has been more or less dead since the series ended.

Megaman Legends: 2 games, 3rd game got cancelled and would have wrapped up the original trilogy's story.

Mother series as a whole, but I'll count them as 1 entry.

Blazblue: Story's over, series is done.

Crono Trigger: 2 games, the second game was meh.

That's six right there, need I go on?


But let's take a detour of games that became soulless due to corporate mandates:


Chibi Robo
Paper Mario
Pokemon
Call of Duty
Star Fox
Metroid pre-Samus Returns


Need I go on?

Now name all the ones that are still going strong and are still as good as ever.

Sometimes, series should take breaks for the sake of quality.

I love Paper Mario to this day, and I can admit that the 4th and 5th games did not need to exist (the 5th one in particular was disrespected hard by the big N that it makes you think). I love Pokemon, and I have to admit that Gen 8 is one of the weakest gens, and I don't blame people for skipping it. I love Marvel Films, and I can admit that some of the later films have gotten a bit sloppy.

Sometimes, quality > Quantity.

Quantity > nonexistence

 

[Roguewolf]

It has happened to something I love and hold very close to my heart. The Ben 10 series. The reboot is stripped of everything I loved it for and they have no indication of wanting to go back. But I'm glad it's still alive. I'm glad executives still think it's profitable and I'm glad that it's still in the public consciousness. As long as it is still living there is always the chance that the generation of fans who grew up with it and who hold it close to their hearts like I do can end up in the drivers seat. That can't happen if the series dies. The same applies, to a lesser extent, to the modern Star Trek projects, the DC Live Action movies, and Spyro the Dragon. I have so few franchises that I adore and am passionate about that are still alive and kicking that I will not wish any of them to die for any reason. I know what that void is like and I would not wish that level of loneliness on my worst enemy.

I never did watch the reboot (and never intend too)

but the original series is so very special to me

the teenage stuff is...ok

I really liked omniverse despite what some people say(feedback is one of the coolest ****ing aliens)

im glad that show is still technically kickin around

 

[Shroob]

Now name all the ones that are still going strong and are still as good as ever.

I don't see your point.


"THESE OTHER SERIES ARE STILL GOING STRONG, SO WHY SHOULDN'T EVERY SERIES DO IT!?"


Is what I'm getting from you, which is, no, wrong, incorrect. Sometimes, a series should just end, it does not need to exist forever to appease a fanbase. If fans want a series like it, they're more than capable than making their own, that's how we get amazing Indies like Shovel Knight, Shantae, Hollow Knight and Undertale.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Do you have any idea how demoralizing it is to be told all your life how worthless you are by the people who make the things that are supposed to ease the pain of every day existence. To know that you are not part of a market worth selling to. That what you enjoy is worthless. Can you imagine what that does to a person. Especially when said person also has crippling social anxiety and awkwardness that makes it very hard to find and make connections with other real humans?

 

[Shroob]

Do you have any idea how demoralizing it is to be told all your life how worthless you are by the people who make the things that are supposed to ease the pain of every day existence. To know that you are not part of a market worth selling to. That what you enjoy is worthless. Can you imagine what that does to a person. Especially when said person also has crippling social anxiety and awkwardness that makes it very hard to find and make connections with other real humans?

Let's cut the drama here, little miss.


No one here's telling you that, and no game developer is telling you that either. Let's have an actual mature discussion without resorting to woe is me mentality.

 

[ZephyrZ]

The way I see it, you can always back and replay or rewatch things you enjoyed.

Even on the extremely improbable chance that all of Pokemon got cancled tomorrow, I'd still be able to go back replay my favorite titles whenever I liked. It's true that there's still a sort of magic of getting a new installment in a franchise you love for the first time, but that's only short-lived.

That's how I feel about some other things I love. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I'm okay with the fact that Kid Icarus doesn't seem to have a new installment coming and I'm okay with the fact that Gravity Falls will never get a season 3. I enjoyed my time with those franchises and that's what really matters to me.

That said, if you really have to have more of something in your life, then there's always fan projects.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I don't see your point.


"THESE OTHER SERIES ARE STILL GOING STRONG, SO WHY SHOULDN'T EVERY SERIES DO IT!?"


Is what I'm getting from you, which is, no, wrong, incorrect. Sometimes, a series should just end, it does not need to exist forever to appease a fanbase. If fans want a series like it, they're more than capable than making their own, that's how we get amazing Indies like Shovel Knight, Shantae, Hollow Knight and Undertale.

No. The point I'm trying to make is that you still have plenty of things you like that are still going strong and have never declined in quality. So from your perspective, you can afford to drop a few here and there for the sake of "quality control". "Why should I care if this one franchise dies? I have 8 more where that came from". But I do not. I have hundreds of franchises I like, I can count on two hands the number of them that are still going and I can count on one the number that are still 100% true to what I like about them and aren't in constant danger of the market shutting them down. Imagine that perspective. Now sit there and tell me that you would actually wish any given franchise death.

 

[Roguewolf]

Sometimes if you don’t have passion for a project then you should let it end,and not risk perversing (persifiying?)your original brilliance with mediocrity

but I do understand both points it can both be hard to see something go in your perceived wrong direction

And it can be hard to see something you love just...stop

I think something to realize is that these aren’t completely conflicting ideas their just different forms of artistic torture consumers can experience

If anything I typed makes sense(And isn’t the gibberish of a madman) to somebody and provokes some form of thought then I’m happy. keep being wonderful people everybody


Edit:And be good to each other these are just opinions and all that opinions can do is provide knowledge on other people’s thought process

please engage in civil discourse that is how(big or small) we grow
Don’t let passion stop you from understanding

 

[ZelDan]

game developers would ideally be able to work on the games that they want to be able to work on.

If the people behind Mother feel it is finished and don't feel like it is something needs to be continued or should be continued, then, I dunno, Then they should be able to follow that?

 

[Shroob]

No. The point I'm trying to make is that you still have plenty of things you like that are still going strong and have never declined in quality. So from your perspective, you can afford to drop a few here and there for the sake of "quality control". "Why should I care if this one franchise dies? I have 8 more where that came from". But I do not. I have hundreds of franchises I like, I can count on two hands the number of them that are still going and I can count on one the number that are still 100% true to what I like about them and aren't in constant danger of the market shutting them down. Imagine that perspective. Now sit there and tell me that you would actually wish any given franchise death.

I mean, I've said it before and I'll say it again, those are your demons you have to deal with, and only you can overcome them, we can only do so much.


If you close your eyes and refuse to try new things, then there's not much we can really offer to help. It's fine to not like open world stuff, I get it, but there are plenty of games out that aren't just open world **** too. Is the market a bit over saturated with them? Oh, I definitely agree, but I'm pretty sure there are hundreds of games out there that aren't.

 

[TheMightyP]

But seriously you guys realize how dirty Nintendo did Color Splash? Firstly, make it a sequel to the worst PM game, secondly, don't advertise it. At all. Thirdly, when you do, make it seem like there's absolutely nothing different from the prequel. Fourthly "Accidentally" leak the game through preorders on the E-Shop, and then not even fix it until like well after everyone got the game. Fifthly, put it on a dying console that nobody really gave a **** about anymore, and make it the very last Mario game to release on the console. Back when everyone was so unsure if PM would get another game.

How can you be grateful when this was how Ninty treated it, like it was some joke to them? I would not wish that to any other fans of other series, especially if that series was dying or dead.

Sad thing about all of it? The game was actually decent. But, given Ninty's trend of burying the Wii U, the game will be forgotten because of TOK.

Dirty, dirty, dirty.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Let's cut the drama here, little miss.


No one here's telling you that, and no game developer is telling you that either. Let's have an actual mature discussion without resorting to woe is me mentality.

One: My life experiences and me telling the truth about how the entertainment industry and common discourse have treated me and the things I like is not "woe is me". It's me explaining why I hold the beliefes I hold and trying to get you to understand where I'm coming from.

Two: I'm not accusing anyone here of saying that, or any game development team. Nobody in their right mind would actually say that. But it's hard to come to any other conclusion based on the evidence I was presented.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Would you feel the same if it happened to a series you loved dearly? If you saw it stripped of everything you enjoyed about it, would you wish for it to continue because “I should be grateful to get more of this thing even though it’s not what it used to be”?

I'm just going to sit in the corner and cry about Pokemon, Paper Mario and Ace attorney.

 

[Shroob]

One: My life experiences and me telling the truth about how the entertainment industry and common discourse have treated me and the things I like is not "woe is me". It's me explaining why I hold the beliefes I hold and trying to get you to understand where I'm coming from.

Two: I'm not accusing anyone here of saying that, or any game development team. Nobody in their right mind would actually say that. But it's hard to come to any other conclusion based on the evidence I was presented.

It really isn't.


The most simple answer is:

As technology advances, people WANT to explore bigger, more open virtual worlds to lose themselves in. There's a reason that VR is slowly taking off, albeit, it's still very early. People want to lose themselves in massive, open worlds, because frankly? The real world sucks.


That's not to say that there's anything wrong with linear games, and there's still plenty on the market, but it's not some great big conspiracy why so many games want open-worlds nowadays.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

please delete

 

[Shroob]

The problem isn't with the industry. It's me. The problem isn't that the industry doesn't think the kinds of games I like are unprofitable, it's that I just like bad stuff and need to open my eyes and play Fire Emblem 72 and watch Star Wars 84 and buy a Mickey Mouse hat.

It's kinda ironic that you're taking a dump on Fire Emblem, when they're not open-world in the slightest, they're pretty damn linear.

 

[Schnee117]

I think I'd rather a series die than get flagellated with ****ty mobile games and official Chinese knock-offs.

Thank christ for Bloodstained providing my Castlevania game fix lol

 

[SnakeFighter64]

It really isn't.


The most simple answer is:

As technology advances, people WANT to explore bigger, more open virtual worlds to lose themselves in. There's a reason that VR is slowly taking off, albeit, it's still very early. People want to lose themselves in massive, open worlds, because frankly? The real world sucks.


That's not to say that there's anything wrong with linear games, and there's still plenty on the market, but it's not some great big conspiracy why so many games want open-worlds nowadays.

And that's fine. As much as it might not seem like it, I will never begrudge anyone for finding something fun and wanting more of it. But I will begrudge the people who have bullied me both in person and online for not sharing their opinions and I will begrudge the industry for not realizing that there are more people to cater to then just the people who are the loudest and that they would make more money if they made stuff for everyone. And I will continually express me continued bafflement at the fact that when there was an over saturation of platformers, people complained. When there was an over saturation of Hack N Slashes, people complained. When there was an over saturation of Shooters, people complained. But now that there's an over saturation of the open world/souls like genre it's nothing but "10/10!" "Best Game Ever!" "Game of the Year!" "Every developer should look to this as an example of what to do going forward!".

 

[Aurane]

Right, well that happened. Besides that, how is everyone doing this evening.

 

[Shroob]

And that's fine. As much as it might not seem like it, I will never begrudge anyone for finding something fun and wanting more of it. But I will begrudge the people who have bullied me both in person and online for not sharing their opinions and I will begrudge the industry for not realizing that there are more people to cater to then just the people who are the loudest and that they would make more money if they made stuff for everyone. And I will continually express me continued bafflement at the fact that when there was an over saturation of platformers, people complained. When there was an over saturation of Hack N Slashes, people complained. When there was an over saturation of Shooters, people complained. But now that there's an over saturation of the open world/souls like genre it's nothing but "10/10!" "Best Game Ever!" "Game of the Year!" "Every developer should look to this as an example of what to do going forward!".


I'm not focusing in on Genres. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about series. Individual franchises.

Well, for starters, lemme dial it back a bit:

The problem isn't with the industry. It's me. The problem isn't that the industry doesn't think the kinds of games I like are unprofitable, it's that I just like bad stuff and need to open my eyes and play Fire Emblem 72 and watch Star Wars 84 and buy a Mickey Mouse hat.

Literally no one's calling what you like bad. Just because companies aren't making games like you like doesn't mean they're secretly burning voodoo effigies of your favorite platformer/adventure game protagonist and praising the church of open worlds. THIS is why people point out your "Woe is me" attitude because you always default to stuff like this.


And I already addressed your main point. It's what the general consumer wants. It will lose its luster in times, just like every other fad in time, you just have to be patient. Do you see a million zombie shooters being pumped out anymore? Or a bazillon racing games every month?

 

[snowgolem]

The discussion does bring up a good question. Would you prefer a series ending when it had much more potential, or the same series becoming more different with each title until it’s barely recognizable?
I personally would prefer Portal 3 not be an RPG dating sim.

 

[KillerCage]

Right, well that happened. Besides that, how is everyone doing this evening.

I'm going to bed listening to Fortune Night 1.

 

[Shroob]

The discussion does bring up a good question. Would you prefer a series ending when it had much more potential, or the same series becoming more different with each title until it’s barely recognizable?
I personally would prefer Portal 3 not be an RPG dating sim.

Says you.


GlaDos makes my gears turn.

 

[Will]

Says you.


GlaDos makes my gears turn.

She just makes you wanna go get some lemons and burn some houses down.

 

[Shroob]

She just makes you wanna go get some lemons and burn some houses down.

You unlocked the Cave Johnson route? Which choices did you make in what scene?

 

[Aurane]

THIS IS CURSED STOP