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[SnakeFighter64]

Hm. I'll respond to each of these independently.

1) The "balancing" of series hasn't been an issue that actually affects the game. It's more of a personal gripe, which is simply up to opinion. This simply doesn't make any character more or less likely. I specifically went over much of this here: https://smashboards.com/threads/temporary-ultimate-social-thread.484266/page-425#post-23396284

2) The "use of assets" actually isn't that simple, and the Smash dev team typically makes their own models of characters. But it just isn't as simple as taking assets from the N.Sane trilogy and moving it to Smash. It's more than that. However, I'm not an expert on that sort of stuff. All I can say is that in my memory, it's just not that simple.

3) This is probably your strongest point, but I don't think the profit you're citing is all that important when it comes to Smash character inclusion. The only real "90's mascot platformers" that I know of that have been re-released are Crash and Spyro. It's not as if it's an industry-wide phenomenon that took the world by storm. It's a re-release of two incredibly solid series that people have nostalgia for.

Frankly, my friend, I think the stronger points for Crash would be what he can do as opposed to reasons that don't really do much relating to Smash. After all, we play Smash Bros., so what the characters are capable of doing is arguably the most important trait of all. Crash Bandicoot on his own is still Crash Bandicoot, a 90's icon in his own right. But it's more convincing to show why the pick is superior, rather than tell, if that makes sense.

I appreciate you sharing your reasons! It's helpful to know where you're coming from.

While I may disagree and think that Capcom is getting a pick, I happen to agree that I can absolutely see Dark Souls getting a playable character.

Ok. Well, if I had to say something about Crash's moveset, it's that it would be very movement focused. Most of his moves are about jumping, sliding, and moving around with very little projectile attacks. Kind of like Little Mac if he was also an olympic long-jumper. His only move with a projectile locks him in place. I feel like this is at least an interesting potential design.

But i tend to argue about this whole balancing thing because I feel like there is no real character who would be bad in Smash. Sakurai makes every character amazing, so I find it easier to argue balance and brand appeal because it's more pheasable that you could actually reach a conclusion.

 

[Deleted member]

One million people leaving angry comments about how nobody cares. /s

But yeah, I’m not sure which channels were used for data. Still happy to see both get exposure. Hell, hopefully this convinces Rare to make a Banjo game.

Im kinda amused by Rare's comments really. While not on the levels of Mario or Crash, the series could be a decent success and I think there should be a few developers interested in working in the franchise.

Rare feels like the kid who throws his toys after they get bored with them and buys a new one.

 

[culumon]

Me when K. Rool was announced: finally my clinical depression is cured. I have no woes left in this world.
Me waking up the next morning: what the hell I still have clinical depression and I have many woes in this world. What can be done to fix this? I know it's Banjo. When he's in I'll definitely be cured
Me when Banjo was announced: finally my clinical depression is cured. I have no woes left in this world.
Me waking up the next morning, again: nvm they're still there. oh wait I know. when Phoenix is in I'll definitely be cured for real this time

 

[Cosmic77]

The most viewed trailers of E3. People love Keanu.

That's actually a little shocking to me. With all the positive reception it had been getting, I thought FF would be way higher on the list.

I'm also surprised BotW2 ranked so high, given how little information was revealed in the trailer.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Im kinda amused by Rare's comments really. While not on the levels of Mario or Crash, the series could be a decent success and I think there should be a few developers interested in working in the franchise.

Rare feels like the kid who throws his toys after they get bored with them and buys a new one.

That's why MS farmed out Killer Instinct to Double Helix/Iron Galaxy and Battletoads to Dlala Studios. Just farm out Banjo, Conker, and Perfect Dark to other studios too. I'd LOVE to see what 341 Industries could do with Perfect Dark. Imagine if the gave Conker to Suda51. As for Banjo.... I don't know, Playtonic? Maybe ask Activision to have Vicarious Visions remake the OG games.

 

[BlondeLombax]

It just hit me that a large portion of BK characters only have full-on character art that spawns from Nuts & Bolts. Humba Wumba, Captain Blubber, Klungo, Bottles, and more. I'm scared that they might face a fair bit of backlash for using those renders for spirits. What's your five cents?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

It just hit me that a large portion of BK characters only have full-on character art that spawns from Nuts & Bolts. Humba Wumba, Captain Blubber, Klungo, Bottles, and more. I'm scared that they might face a fair bit of backlash for using those renders for spirits. What's your five cents?

I wouldn't care. But they could literally just use photos of the models and I'd be happy as a clam

 

[Aurane]

I bet one of Banjo's victory animations is gonna be his intro in the first Banjo game where he knocks on the screen.

 

[Deleted member]

It just hit me that a large portion of BK characters only have full-on character art that spawns from Nuts & Bolts. Humba Wumba, Captain Blubber, Klungo, Bottles, and more. I'm scared that they might face a fair bit of backlash for using those renders for spirits. What's your five cents?

I'd be fine with it, but it never really dawned on me how little official artwork the series has until now. Hell, some characters like Jamjars and Jiggywiggy don't have any art of them at all.

 

[Wademan94]

I'd be fine with it, but it never really dawned on me how little official artwork the series has until now. Hell, some characters like Jamjars and Jiggywiggy don't have any art of them at all.

I doubt they’d need a ton. I’m mean so far Joker only has 11 on the Spirit Board.

 

[Deleted member]

That's why MS farmed out Killer Instinct to Double Helix/Iron Galaxy and Battletoads to Dlala Studios. Just farm out Banjo, Conker, and Perfect Dark to other studios too. I'd LOVE to see what 341 Industries could do with Perfect Dark. Imagine if the gave Conker to Suda51. As for Banjo.... I don't know, Playtonic? Maybe ask Activision to have Vicarious Visions remake the OG games.

I frankly don't think Suda and Conker suit each other much. While both are adult oriented, I think Suda is more over the top and weird b-movie style while Conker is a bit more focused on doing parodies and toilet humor. Suda is at his best when he is doing his own thing, especially after seeing the Sudaverse coming together in Travis Strikes again.

Frankly Vicarious Visions or Toys for Bob, who made the Spyro remakes, are good options for Banjo. Although I feel that someone like Next-Level games would be one of the better options due to their work on Luigi's Mansion and Punch Out for the Wii, LM with a lot of focus on exploration and Punch Out with a lot of focus on the characters.

 

[Captain Fun]

It just hit me that a large portion of BK characters only have full-on character art that spawns from Nuts & Bolts. Humba Wumba, Captain Blubber, Klungo, Bottles, and more. I'm scared that they might face a fair bit of backlash for using those renders for spirits. What's your five cents?

I somehow don’t see Humba being used at all.

But I doubt anyone will really care. After all the love BK got in Smash I can’t imagine anyone getting too upset about a Nuts and Bolts reference.

 

[BlueMonk]

I'm already hooked on Cadence of Hyrule. It's hard though. I think it might be a bit deeper mechanic wise than Necrodancer, but then again I'm not too familiar with it yet.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I frankly don't think Suda and Conker suit each other much. While both are adult oriented, I think Suda is more over the top and weird b-movie style while Conker is a bit more focused on doing parodies and toilet humor. Suda is at his best when he is doing his own thing, especially after seeing the Sudaverse coming together in Travis Strikes again.

Frankly Vicarious Visions or Toys for Bob, who made the Spyro remakes, are good options for Banjo. Although I feel that someone like Next-Level games would be one of the better options due to their work on Luigi's Mansion and Punch Out for the Wii, LM with a lot of focus on exploration and Punch Out with a lot of focus on the characters.

I LOVE what those two companies did with Spyro and Crash, so I'm on board. Next Level Games has said that they are working exclusively with Nintendo so.... Maybe but probably not.

What company would be good for Conker then?

 

[Deleted member]

I doubt they’d need a ton. I’m mean so far Joker only has 11 on the Spirit Board.

Yeah but if they want to pull mostly from the N64 games there's pretty much only 3 characters that have publicly available artwork from them besides Banjo and Kazooie; Grunty, Mumbo, and the Jinjos.
Either they use pictures of the in-game models for characters like Bottles and Boggy, use the N&B renders, or Rare provides artwork, and the second option seems the most likely.

 

[Wademan94]

As for Banjo.... I don't know, Playtonic? Maybe ask Activision to have Vicarious Visions remake the OG games.

Frankly Vicarious Visions or Toys for Bob, who made the Spyro remakes, are good options for Banjo. Although I feel that someone like Next-Level games would be one of the better options due to their work on Luigi's Mansion and Punch Out for the Wii, LM with a lot of focus on exploration and Punch Out with a lot of focus on the characters.

What about Gears for Breakfast? The guys behind A Hat in Time?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Yeah but if they want to pull mostly from the N64 games there's pretty much only 3 characters that have publicly available artwork from them besides Banjo and Kazooie; Grunty, Mumbo, and the Jinjos.
Either they use pictures of the in-game models for characters like Bottles and Boggy, use the N&B renders, or Rare provides artwork, and the second option seems the most likely.

I mean, they modeled a good portion of the characters exclusively for this stage and characters (Bottles, Mumbo, Gruntilda, the Jinjos). Sakurai could just make a few himself and he's got 4 spirits. After that all they really NEED is Klungo and Tootie.

What about Gears for Breakfast? The guys behind A Hat in Time?

I haven't played A Hat in Time, but from what I've heard it's more Mario 64 than Banjo-Kazooie. I definitely want this to feel like a Rare game, not a Nintendo game.

 

[Wademan94]

Wonder if this could work for Bottles’s spirit?

Also maybe other Rare characters could be spirits like Conker, the Battletoads and Joanna Dark.

 

[Aurane]

Wonder if this could work for Bottles’s spirit?
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Also maybe other Rare characters could be spirits like Conker--

HAHA YES CONKER SPIRIT BECAUSE HE'LL NEVER BE PLAYABLE HAHA! HAHA! HA HA.

Okay fine. But at least make his spirit really good. ;(

 

[Deleted member]

What about Gears for Breakfast? The guys behind A Hat in Time?

Havent got a chance to play it, although I hear its inspired by sunshine.

 

[Megadoomer]

I hope that we get music for other series from the same developers once the new characters come out. I sincerely doubt that it will happen (the closest I can think of is Joker getting music from Persona games that he wasn't in, or Bayonetta getting an After Burner remix that was present in her own game), but I'd love to hear Windy from Conker's Bad Fur Day on the Spiral Mountain stage.

 

[Wademan94]

I hope that we get music for other series from the same developers once the new characters come out. I sincerely doubt that it will happen (the closest I can think of is Joker getting music from Persona games that he wasn't in, or Bayonetta getting an After Burner remix that was present in her own game), but I'd love to hear Windy from Conker's Bad Fur Day on the Spiral Mountain stage.

You forgot someone.

But yeah I’d like to see that too, might have a better chance if Conker was a spirit

 

[Megadoomer]

You forgot someone.

But yeah I’d like to see that too, might have a better chance if Conker was a spirit

Haha yeah, that's true. I think that Simon got a song from some Japan exclusive game that wasn't Castlevania (Getsu Fuma or something) as well, but I was trying to stick with DLC since that's a more direct comparison.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

You forgot someone.

But yeah I’d like to see that too, might have a better chance if Conker was a spirit

Oh my god I would love it if we could get music from KI 2013. Champion of Sanghelios is such a BOP!

 

[Aurane]

Okay I'm sorry, I know no one here plays Paladins but I just found some fanart of a character I really like and I totly gotta share it because ITS ****ING CUTE!

Cuddley Moji~

 

[Icedragonadam]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77785120

Remember a rumor back then that this line-up? Well so far it's gotten everything right, although it has been generally safe predictions.

Piranha Plant, Joker, Erdrick, Banjo & Kazooie, Lloyd Irving and Crash Bandicoot. Coincidentally they fit that weird color theory with blue and orange. Lloyd has blue pants, and the materia blades are red and blue. And Crash is well orange.

 

[Will]

You forgot Rabbids

the true ubisoft sleeper pick. you may cry that rayman has to come first but the rabbids are their own thing now way beyond his power

i dont recall rayman getting a tv sho-

what the ****

 

[Wademan94]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77785120

Remember a rumor back then that this line-up? Well so far it's gotten everything right, although it has been generally safe predictions.

Piranha Plant, Joker, Erdrick, Banjo & Kazooie, Lloyd Irving and Crash Bandicoot. Coincidentally they fit that weird color theory with blue and orange. Lloyd has blue pants, and the materia blades are red and blue. And Crash is well orange.

Lloyd’s pants are black.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77785120

Remember a rumor back then that this line-up? Well so far it's gotten everything right, although it has been generally safe predictions.

Piranha Plant, Joker, Erdrick, Banjo & Kazooie, Lloyd Irving and Crash Bandicoot. Coincidentally they fit that weird color theory with blue and orange. Lloyd has blue pants, and the materia blades are red and blue. And Crash is well orange.

Here's the thing though,

We got Hero, not specifically Erdrick. He isn't even the default.

So I feel like this might simply be piggybacking off the fact that everybody and their mother were betting on Erdrick as the only DQ hero being represented

 

[CannonStreak]

Here's the thing though,

We got Hero, not specifically Erdrick. He isn't event the default.

So I feel like this might be piggybacking simply off the fact that we knew Erdrick was in in some capcity

But Erdrick is in though, as an alt. That should count, right?

Seriously, though, I do think you have a point, though one thing may or may not ruin the rest of the leak, in my opinion. It might take getting more wrong to do that.

EDIT: Not to mention, Verge did mention Erdrick only, so maybe there was a slight change in plans after he and the other leaker heard that?

 

[Shadowwolflink]

I hope that we get music for other series from the same developers once the new characters come out. I sincerely doubt that it will happen (the closest I can think of is Joker getting music from Persona games that he wasn't in, or Bayonetta getting an After Burner remix that was present in her own game), but I'd love to hear Windy from Conker's Bad Fur Day on the Spiral Mountain stage.

The Windy theme did appear in Nuts & Bolts, so there's kond of precedent for it. I agree, I'd love to hear it in Smash, it would fit Spiral Mountain really well too.

 

[praline]

praline you know how you could wish to

Spoiler

marry Gemma

at the end of DQXI?
well now apparently to can pick to "Live with" one of the male characters in DQXI S

Are you gonna “live with” Sylvando?

 

[Will]

But Erdrick is in though, as an alt. That should count, right?

As much as Alph would count as an Olimar leak.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

But Erdrick is in though, as an alt. That should count, right?

Seriously, though, I do think you have a point, though one thing may or may not ruin the rest of the leak, in my opinion. It might take getting more wrong to do that.

I guess, but still...

They should've at least mentioned Luminary assuming he was the default...

 

[staindgrey]

I love the idea of implementing RE's inventory management in that way. I can totally see a zoner type playstyle in order to fire/reload and heal when necessary, mimicking RE in a sense. The jamming provides some counterplay as well.

The healing would have to be extremely limited and take some commitment. I honestly think that once you start the heal you should be unable to stop it, and opponents can interrupt it. It should definitely be a onetime use, maybe you could have 2 green herbs and a red, giving you the choice to mix them for one larger heal (not gonna say full despite it doing that in the games because that'd be pretty strong) or keep them separate for more smaller heals.

Various grenades could be implemented (incendiary leaving a trail of fire that's larger and lasts longer than the Belmonts, flashbang stuns, etc.) to give the character even more utility.

Someone (I forget who, sorry) introduced the crazy idea of Jill's herbs essentially replacing her recovery. Like, give her a Mac-level recovery but a recharging herb to counteract it.

It reinforces RE's limited mobility and need for healing at the same time. Though balancing that for various modes could be a nightmare and we have no way of telling how it would work in the competitive meta.

 

[Wyoming]

Problem with that "leak" is that everyone was pretty adamant that Erdrick/DQ and Steve or Banjo were going to happen. They were the default vanilla picks for leaks.

 

[CannonStreak]

As much as Alph would count as an Olimar leak.

Heh heh heh! You should probably know I was just joking around there.

 

[Will]

Like, give her a Mac-level recovery but a recharging herb to counteract it.

you just tryna mock us and make us suffer arent you

 

[staindgrey]

you just tryna mock us and make us suffer arent you

Considering my little brother is one of you?

Yes.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Anyone wanna know why it was a smart idea to watch the BOTW 2 trailer in reverse at 0.75x speed because I hear "Help us please"

now my wig is snatched