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So, I'm a little out of the loop because I don't play Warcraft. But I wanna clarify some things.

"They won't let you refund it, they've banned people for telling others how to do so"
If they won't allow refunds-- which most companies don't on digital products, but anyway-- how would people be able to tell others how? They... can't?

"They even forced the new version on people who wanted to play the old"
Isn't this the new version though? If they wanted to play the old version, why aren't they just playing the actual old version? I'm confused.

"And then there's the whole "If you make custom maps, we own them, you don't", because they realized "Oh wait, Warcraft 3 is what spawned Dota/LoL, and those games make bank""
I mean, that's just being smart. Look at how much potential money they lost in what eventually became a brand new genre of games. Like, getting mad about them not wanting that to happen again sounds very pissbaby to me.
1: Blizzard does allow for refunds on their 1-time purchase games, however, they've conveniently shut that off for Warcraft 3 specifically since it's automated. People have found a loophole but they're being banned for it.


2: Yes, but some people want to play the old. If you have both, from what I've understood, it just won't let you play the old version. Since the games are launched through Battle.net, it'll force the new version instead, no matter how many times you try to activate the old, and I've even heard stories of people trying to launch the old without owning the new and the game simply saying "No."


3: Agree to disagree. I view the modding scene as very open. Imagine if the people who own Quake looked at Team Fortress and said "Sorry, this is ours, you can't sell your pitch to Valve." Modding is how a lot of people break into the video game scene.
 
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Chinese Government are afraid of the skeletons?

Right guys we know what we need to do. Invade China with the spooky skeleton soldiers!
From what I remember it's a law about showing depictions of the dead being disrespectful.


I can kinda see it but it's such a stupid law.


****ing WoW had to replace all images of gut and gore piles in Classic WoW with heaps of loafs of bread.
 

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Valentine's Day is coming near.

I honestly hate that holiday becaise it almost has nothing to do with love, it's became way too commercialized, and unlike Christmas which has the whole family, friends, and togetherness aspect, there's almost nothing to offset it from the "BUY GIFTS OR ELSE" part of it.
Oh boy, Sonic time! (The Sonic movie comes out on that day.)
 
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From what I remember it's a law about showing depictions of the dead being disrespectful.


I can kinda see it but it's such a stupid law.
And if I recall all that stuff is taboo and interferes with the Communist Party Principles or some crap like that.
 
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From what I remember it's a law about showing depictions of the dead being disrespectful.


I can kinda see it but it's such a stupid law.


****ing WoW had to replace all images of gut and gore piles in Classic WoW with heaps of loafs of bread.
So was that one dude's head that you had to get for one quest replaced with bread too?
 

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So was that one dude's head that you had to get for one quest replaced with bread too?
Edwin Vancleef? Nah, **** like quest items is usually okay as long as there's no big, scary skull but


Behold:

Bread Giant

Top is China, bottom is everywhere else

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1: Blizzard does allow for refunds on their 1-time purchase games, however, they've conveniently shut that off for Warcraft 3 specifically since it's automated. People have found a loophole but they're being banned for it.


2: Yes, but some people want to play the old. If you have both, from what I've understood, it just won't let you play the old version. Since the games are launched through Battle.net, it'll force the new version instead, no matter how many times you try to activate the old, and I've even heard stories of people trying to launch the old without owning the new and the game simply saying "No."


3: Agree to disagree. I view the modding scene as very open. Imagine if the people who own Quake looked at Team Fortress and said "Sorry, this is ours, you can't sell your pitch to Valve." Modding is how a lot of people break into the video game scene.
1. Yeah that's ****ty.

2. Yeah that's ****ty.

3. Modding, sure, totally. Reselling things you've modded as whole new game is murkier territory where I actually tend to side with the original publisher.
 
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Alright, challenge accepted. From worst to best:

Puff Up (Jigglypuff)
Final Edge (Mii Swordfighter)
Wii Fit (Wii Fit Trainer)
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Shadow Mario Paint (Bowser Jr.)
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Volt Tackle (Pikachu/Pichu)
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Giga Bowser Punch (Bowser)
Awakening Aether (Chrom)
Shippu Jinraikyaku (Ken)
Petey Piranha (Piranha Plant)
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Iceberg (Ice Climbers)
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Great Aether (Ike)
Darkness Illusion (Meta Knight)
Giga Mac Rush (Little Mac)
Jungle Rush (Donkey Kong)
Ancient Bow & Arrow (Link)
Critical Hit (Marth/Lucina)
Triforce Slash (Young Link/Toon Link)
Critical Hit (Roy)
Zero Laser/Phazon Laser (Samus/Dark Samus)
Poltergust G-00 (Luigi)
Guided Robo Beam (R.O.B.)
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Super Sonic (Sonic)
Wario-Man (Wario)
End of Day (Olimar)
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you have become the hardcore ****
Oh boy, Sonic time! (The Sonic movie comes out on that day.)
how real ones celebrate Valentines Day...with Sonic
 

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From what I remember it's a law about showing depictions of the dead being disrespectful.


I can kinda see it but it's such a stupid law.


****ing WoW had to replace all images of gut and gore piles in Classic WoW with heaps of loafs of bread.
There's no law censoring skeletons. It seems more or less a result of other censorship laws being up to interpretation and companies just covering their bases.
https://www.techinasia.com/china-do...h-about-game-censorship-in-the-middle-kingdom
 

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Eh, I disagree. His very first appearance is literally ambushing Super Sonic from underground and knocking the emeralds out of him, already showing his digging ability and raw strength. Knuckles also relies much more on his fists (his idle animation being him punching the air and also the scene with him during Launch Base Zone), in addition to his climbing and gliding ability.
Not to mention Knuckles can just walk through rocks that Sonic can't break at all.
To be fair he only does that with an alternate path that he has to take to get to his exclusive Act 2 route. Sonic CD's intro already shows Sonic casually destroying a much larger, almost building sized boulder.





Making Knuckles into a (semi) clone of Sonic would be a disservice to him, where Metal is quite literally supposed to be a Sonic clone, just with a few animation differences, mostly walking and running.
If we're talking about the earlier era Knuckles from the '90s has more in common with Sonic than Metal Sonic ever did. For instance, 3&K, Chaotix, Fighters, R and Blast equipts Knuckles with the Spin Dash and Spin Attack while Metal Sonic never actually does this in any of his boss fights or playable appearances in this era.

Metal really only does this stuff.

V. Maximum Overdrive Attack
Ring Spark Field
Plasma Pulse Attack



He's literally 100% Plasma and electric based attacks. Even in Generations and Mania he still operates with these same abilities.




The only thing Sonic and Knuckles have in common is curling into a ball when jumping and the Spin Dash, and even then, the latter has become more or less exclusive to Sonic in the 3d games, being gone from Tails and Knuckles.
The Spin Dash's lack of presence in the 3D games was moreso due to the lack of rolling physics and momentum mechanics employed in those game's 3D framework which doesn't necessitate the need to pinball around levels with more varied geometric structures like the classics (SA1 having started out this way in its development with Tails and Knuckles even having unused Spin Dash animations and spin ball models), and it's also a rather minor footnote when looking at the greater history of these characters considering those were just 4 games in total. Outside of Sonic, Tails has done the Spin Dash more than any other character (a total of 12 games not including mobile games) even including Shadow, and both Tails and Knuckles have done it far more than Metal Sonic. Metal can't even perform the Spin Dash in SA2 despite being a speed character and Shadow can't do it in 06. Out of the others Sonic, Tails and Knuckles have done it the most and since the ability has been such an essential part of traversing level geometry throughout the franchises history it's not something I feel should be erased from Knuckles repertoire when looking at a potential moveset.
 
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I'm pretty sure laws about cartoons weren't that bad in the 90s, yet that didn't stop Funimation's insane treatment of Dragon Ball Z at that time.

"The next dimension," "I can see their parachutes," etc. :yoshi:
That was Saban enforcing those changes.
 

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Eh, I disagree. His very first appearance is literally ambushing Super Sonic from underground and knocking the emeralds out of him, already showing his digging ability and raw strength. Knuckles also relies much more on his fists (his idle animation being him punching the air and also the scene with him during Launch Base Zone), in addition to his climbing and gliding ability. Not to mention Knuckles can just walk through rocks that Sonic can't break at all.

And all of that is just from his first appearance, not even taking the Adventure games nor Chaotix influence into account. Making Knuckles into a (semi) clone of Sonic would be a disservice to him, where Metal is quite literally supposed to be a Sonic clone, just with a few animation differences, mostly walking and running. The only thing Sonic and Knuckles have in common is curling into a ball when jumping and the Spin Dash, and even then, the latter has become more or less exclusive to Sonic in the 3d games, being gone from Tails and Knuckles.

In fact I could see Sonic, Metal and Shadow as pretty much being like Mario, Luigi and Doc in Smash where Knuckles could be fully unique. I'm also more than likely giving it way too much thought than it's worth and should be going to bed.
To be fair he only does that with an alternate path that he has to take to get to his exclusive Act 2 route. Sonic CD's intro already shows Sonic casually destroying a much larger, almost building sized boulder.






If we're talking about the earlier era Knuckles from the '90s has more in common with Sonic than Metal Sonic ever did. For instance, 3&K, Chaotix, Fighters, R and Blast equipts Knuckles with the Spin Dash and Spin Attack while Metal Sonic never actually does this in any of his boss fights or playable appearances in this era.

Metal really only does this stuff.

V. Maximum Overdrive Attack
Ring Spark Field
Plasma Pulse Attack



He's literally 100% Plasma and electric based attacks. Even in Generations and Mania he still operates with these same abilities.





The Spin Dash's lack of presence in the 3D games was moreso due to the lack of rolling physics and momentum mechanics employed in those game's 3D framework (SA1 having started out this way in its development with Tails and Knuckles even having unused Spin Dash animations and spin ball models), and it's also a rather minor footnote when looking at the greater history of these characters considering those were just 4 games in total. Outside of Sonic, Tails has done the Spin Dash more than any other character (a total of 12 games not including mobile games) even including Shadow, and both Tails and Knuckles have done it far more than Metal Sonic. Metal can't even perform the Spin Dash in SA2 despite being a speed character and Shadow can't do it in 06. Out of the others Sonic, Tails and Knuckles have done it the most and since the ability has been such an essential part of traversing level geometry throughout the franchises history it's not something I feel should be erased from Knuckles repertoire when looking at a potential moveset.
Y’all forgot an important part of anything relating to Knuckles...he’s a feminist
 

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I'm pretty sure laws about cartoons weren't that bad in the 90s, yet that didn't stop Funimation's insane treatment of Dragon Ball Z at that time.

"The next dimension," "I can see their parachutes," etc. :yoshi:
Or 4Kids and whatnot. I'm very creator's intent. Some of that **** was bad.......

It's all won't somebody think of the children when a lot of children these days are playing COD and whatnot.
 
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I'm an oddball.

I don't care much about censorship as long as the plot's still good.


Censorship's how we got gems like the Shadow Realm lol.
 

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Long story short, the Ocean dub is hilarious. It's one of the funniest censorship jobs of that era. :yoshi:

Meanwhile, 4Kids One Piece can go straigh to HFIL.

Though I do appreciate it for introducing me to the series. Just wish the rap would get out of my head.
 

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Meanwhile, 4Kids One Piece can go straigh to HFIL.

Though I do appreciate it for introducing me to the series. Just wish the rap would get out of my head.
Rap? What rap?

You mean


YA HO YA HOOOOOOOOOO

DREAMIN'
DON'T GIVE IT UP LUFFY
DREAMIN'
DON'T GIVE IT UP ZOLO
DREAMIN'
DON'T GIVE IT UP NAMI
DREAMIN'
DON'T GIVE GIVE IT UP GIVE IT UP GIVE IT
OHHHHHHHHHH
 

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Meanwhile, 4Kids One Piece can go straigh to HFIL.

Though I do appreciate it for introducing me to the series. Just wish the rap would get out of my head.
That censorship makes me want to throw something.
Parents: "Guns in cartoons! Won't somebody think of the children!"
Also some Parents "Jimmy, piss off and go back up to your room and play Fortnite, leave me the hell alone! I'm trying ta watch the match ere!"
 
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I still remember being subscribed to some anime magazine back in the day that hyped the hell out of One Piece coming to the west due to its "Legendary" status at the time


The following issue was bemoaning hard the 4kids treatment.
 

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It’s been announced that as per usual pine on day we have new news on the 27th. We will be getting our first mythical that will be in the new movie.

As well as new for Pokémon Go and Masters. I’m interested in the mythical. It’s gotta be something befitting of a jungle tribe based on the movie setting anyway.


Fire Fairy maybe?
 

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It's all won't somebody think of the children when a lot of children these days are playing COD and whatnot.
Parents: "Guns in cartoons! Won't somebody think of the children!"
Also some Parents "Jimmy, piss off and go back up to your room and play Fortnite, leave me the hell alone! I'm trying ta watch the match ere!"
You do realize those are often different groups of parents with different values, right?
 
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