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osby

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I think I've read through everything that happened last night and my head hurts.
 

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I don't care what you think about it. If I were designing smash's roster, I would weigh my third party's evenly and by how long they've been in the series. SEGA, Konami, Capcom, Namco, and Square have been in the longest, so they get two franchises (or I guess three now. Thanks Joker.), Microsoft, SNK, and any other newcomers are the newbies, so they get one, then maybe two later. That's the way I see it at least. It's not what I want. It's what makes sense from a design and gamefeel perspective. Any one franchise or company being disproportionately large causes the crossover nature to become out of wack. And I don't know how many times I have to say that before you all start getting it. If I had my choice we'd have every fighting game and rareware IP under the sun in this game. Plus all the big name hack and slashes. But we don't. Because that would be unbalanced and feel weird to the average consumer. For the same reason we can't have as many Fire Emblem and Capcom characters as exist just because it's what some people want. Because it's not balanced. And if Sakurai wants to be a good game designer, then he better start thinking about this stuff instead of just doing whatever.

My point is, we just should have had a second Namco character by now.
And the point I'm making is that it's clearly irrelevant to the actual development of the games as it stands. If balance between companies actually mattered, we'd have our 2nd and 3rd Namco character. Or a 3rd Square one just like Konami and Capcom. These series don't even have the same amount of ATs or stages either. And you aren't designing the game's roster, I'm not either, it's Sora LTD and Sakurai. If I was in charge of the game, things would be a bit different.

I really don't see how "game feel" is effected by this either. Game feel as a term is primarily related to mechanics, and having 4 Sega characters isn't going to suddenly change movement or attacking. Hell, design wise it only matters if said character choice isn't overly redundant with existing characters, but it's not like Master Chief would play like Banjo-Kazooie.

With the "crossover becoming out of wack" is extremely subjective. Again, you're looking at the companies as opposed to franchises and characters on their own merit. And if it ever did "get out of wack" that'd only happen if the Non-Nintendo characters outweighted the Nintendo owned ones, which probably ain't happening soon.

I don't even think people are outright expecting a ton of Capcom/Sega characters either. Just that, unless stated otherwise, we shouldn't ignore a character because of the company they originate from.

5:14am and I still can’t sleep...
I know the feeling dude, but try and get some rest.
 
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I think I've read through everything that happened last night and my head hurts.
Ngl, my head does hurt a bit too.

It was a really tough night on a tough day for me.

[QUOTE="Knight Dude, post: 23705641, member: 218984"I know the feeling dude, but try and get some rest.[/QUOTE]
I’ll try my best.
 

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I think I've read through everything that happened last night and my head hurts.
Sometimes I try to catch up and it's gets kind of annoying to deal with. Some days I just click on the latest page and go from there.
 

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tbh I don't even get the big deal as to what you did.

You called out someone, big deal, you did the right thing.
Just look at this thread we call insiders out on bull**** all the time and other companies like Sony’s screw up today lmao.

it’s all Smashboards culture
 

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Just look at this thread we call insiders out on bull**** all the time and other companies like Sony’s screw up today lmao.

it’s all Smashboards culture
Yeah, as long as you're not being malicious about it, I don't see the issue.


Calling out someone's bull**** is a good thing as long as you're not demonizing them.
 

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So if "no Capcom" is true then we're potentially looking at...

Another Square Enix character
Another Sega character
A Konami character
An indie character
A Nintendo character (that would seem so weird after every other character has been a third party)

And less likely...

Another Microsoft character
A Bethesda character that isn't Doomguy
An Activision/Blizzard character that isn't Crash or Tracer
A Tecmo character that isn't Ryu Hayabusa

I literally have no idea.
 

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So if "no Capcom" is true then we're potentially looking at...

Another Square Enix character
Another Sega character
A Konami character
An indie character
A Nintendo character (that would seem so weird after every other character has been a third party)

And less likely...

Another Microsoft character
A Bethesda character that isn't Doomguy
An Activision/Blizzard character that isn't Crash or Tracer
A Tecmo character that isn't Ryu Hayabusa

I literally have no idea.
Every day where Verg or Sabi doesn't deconfirm Reimu despite the Touhou leak coming up at the same time as Crash and Hyabusa, the harder I'll laugh if it actually happens.


I can already see it: ****ing "LITERALLY WHO?!" at The Game Awards, sending the fanbase into an absolute frenzy of confusion, hate, and schadenfreude.



It's not going to happen but it would be glorious.
 

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So if "no Capcom" is true then we're potentially looking at...

Another Square Enix character
Another Sega character
A Konami character
An indie character
A Nintendo character (that would seem so weird after every other character has been a third party)

And less likely...

Another Microsoft character
A Bethesda character that isn't Doomguy
An Activision/Blizzard character that isn't Crash or Tracer
A Tecmo character that isn't Ryu Hayabusa

I literally have no idea.
Listen man, either it's the Chinese Ninja Warrior or We RIDE THE FIRE!

Every day where Verg or Sabi doesn't deconfirm Reimu despite the Touhou leak coming up at the same time as Crash and Hyabusa, the harder I'll laugh if it actually happens.


I can already see it: ****ing "LITERALLY WHO?!" at The Game Awards, sending the fanbase into an absolute frenzy of confusion, hate, and schadenfreude.



It's not going to happen but it would be glorious.
I never played a Too-Who, but I've seen Youtube videos of them in Salty Bet.
 
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So if "no Capcom" is true then we're potentially looking at...

Another Square Enix character
Another Sega character
A Konami character
An indie character
A Nintendo character (that would seem so weird after every other character has been a third party)

And less likely...

Another Microsoft character
A Bethesda character that isn't Doomguy
An Activision/Blizzard character that isn't Crash or Tracer
A Tecmo character that isn't Ryu Hayabusa

I literally have no idea.
So basically:

"Disconfirmed. Disconfirmed. Disconfirmed. You're all disconfirmed, none of you are free of sin."
 

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I mean, I'm not going to get my hopes up, because I 100% believe the Reimu leak is fake.


But those deconfirmations just keep coming, and with how CRAZY Gamefaqs was going over Reimu back when the Touhou leak was talked about, Verg's silence is rather suspicious.


It's almost assuredly not happening.


But my god it'd be hilarious if it did.
 

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I mean, I'm not going to get my hopes up, because I 100% believe the Reimu leak is fake.


But those deconfirmations just keep coming, and with how CRAZY Gamefaqs was going over Reimu back when the Touhou leak was talked about, Verg's silence is rather suspicious.


It's almost assuredly not happening.


But my god it'd be hilarious if it did.
There is no fighter 5. Instead of a character Sakurai is just going to spend an hour listing the characters we’re not getting.
 

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Wait, you're from Cinncinati according to your profile and yet you're either a Ravens or 49ers fan?

If you're a Ravens fan, glad to know you're part of the flock. But either way... why said team instead of the Bengals? lol
I'm a Ravens fan and the reason I'm not a Bengals fan because the team is god awful (they'll be even worse now that Marvin Lewis is gone), a lot of the fans (at least the ones I know) are delusional about how good they are, and the part of Cincinnati I live in also has to deal with the bull**** regarding Paul Brown Stadium.
 

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Really though.


I'm shocked Verg's holding his cards so close his his chest.


He knows who it is, obviously. So him not dropping who it is with just a week to go until the game awards is surprising. Nice, but surprising.
 

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Really though.


I'm shocked Verg's holding his cards so close his his chest.


He knows who it is, obviously. So him not dropping who it is with just a week to go until the game awards is surprising. Nice, but surprising.
Wouldn't surprise me if there is a tighter leash on fighter 5 than with the previous ones, especially considering fighters 2-4 were leaked beforehand (Hero was datamined, Banjo was leaked via ResetEra and Drunk Cat, and Terry had the SNK copyright thing)
 

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I'm still hoping for a Game Awards shadowdrop and a tease of "pass 2" or whatever it is.

I don't care who FP5 is at this point, I just want the speculation to be over.

Let the secrets die, kill them if you have to.
 

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Wouldn't surprise me if there is a tighter leash on fighter 5 than with the previous ones, especially considering fighters 2-4 were leaked beforehand (Hero was datamined, Banjo was leaked via ResetEra and Drunk Cat, and Terry had the SNK copyright thing)
Is drunk cat credible anymore? Didn't that say KOSMOS? And now Verg said "No Namco."
 

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Is drunk cat credible anymore? Didn't that say KOSMOS? And now Verg said "No Namco."
I thought it was established the second Drunk Cat post was pretty much a piggyback. I was talking about the first Drunk Cat (which gave Hero and Banjo, including their codenames)
 

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I'm still hoping for a Game Awards shadowdrop and a tease of "pass 2" or whatever it is.

I don't care who FP5 is at this point, I just want the speculation to be over.

Let the secrets die, kill them if you have to.
But then there's Pass 2 to speculate over.


Killing speculation on Fighter 5 will just reshape it into FP2-1.


I don't think you thought your cunning plan through. :drshrug:
 

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I'm still hoping for a Game Awards shadowdrop and a tease of "pass 2" or whatever it is.

I don't care who FP5 is at this point, I just want the speculation to be over.

Let the secrets die, kill them if you have to.
I want another ballot, even if it leads to a Salt Storm the world has never seen. Especially if it leads to a Salt Storm the world has never seen.
 

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But then there's Pass 2 to speculate over.


Killing speculation on Fighter 5 will just reshape it into FP2-1.


I don't think you thought your cunning plan through. :drshrug:
That's why I said I want a tease of pack 2, what I mean by that is what some games do where they just show all of the characters right from the start.

Kill speculation and people will have to come to terms with their most wanted characters not making it in earlier. Slightly more pushback from the salties for a short time, then they'll get over it. Smooth sailing.
 

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After the surprise that was Joker last year, how do we know that it isn't the power of Dorito gods influencing the world so the fighter remains secret...

All to lure us in to watching the Game Awards 2019. :073:
 

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After the surprise that was Joker last year, how do we know that it isn't the power of Dorito gods influencing the world so the fighter remains secret...

All to lure us in to watching the Game Awards 2019. :073:
Oh my God. It all makes sense now. Dewrito Pope will use his dark powers to put his husbando Kojima in Smash. Now he'll be able to live forever, eternally pristine, as Dewrito Pope knows Kojima to be, soon so shall we.
 

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Heroes book 4 is looking interesting:
*snip*
I stopped playing Hero's some time ago, but it's so bizzare to me how different that game is in terms of tone and setting compared to the generally more grounded main series. These trailers barely feel like FE at this point.

I'm not saying that it's an especially good or bad thing. It's just kind of odd.
 

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Really though.


I'm shocked Verg's holding his cards so close his his chest.


He knows who it is, obviously. So him not dropping who it is with just a week to go until the game awards is surprising. Nice, but surprising.
Vergeben himself probably doesn't know who it is, his source does, but to protect himself he's not outright telling Vergeben who it is yet. I expect the name will come out once we get closer to TGA as the information will be in the hands of more people by then (media outlets pretty much have to know in advance), so it'll be more difficult to trace it back to a single source, but until then the safest thing they can do is just to tell us who it isn't.
 

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Oh shoot the live competition starts today. Uhh let's see, what non-legendary pokemon have I fully EV/Hyper Trained?

- Dragapult
- Gyarados
- Kommo-o

Huh...I feel like my bias for a certain type of pokemon is somewhat showing through.
I should probably get something to cover fairy-types at some point today.
 
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