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[Shadowwolflink]

Ok, cool.

I don't leak and the elephant in the room is that Verge's track record hasn't exactly been super great this year and the last thing he got right about Smash was Hero which he leaked last August. Imagine that, critical thinking, a basic skill that should be applied to what literally anyone says, including me.

I'm not going to pretend that I follow anything you have to say, but any time you get brought up it's you saying something about some "information" you have, but you don't leak?

 

[Fatmanonice]

But he said Terry, and I'm 99% sure Sabi credited Verg as the one who "Let the cat out of the bag" in her own words when she went on her 36 hour stupid-ass game of "Who could it beeeeeeee?"

I think they were being sarcastic. As soon as SNK popped up, anybody with passing knowledge of SNK knew it was Terry. That was the kicker though, a lot of people didn't know who Terry was (including me) and made people believe it was a grand revelation.

Also, in my own words:

 

[Shroob]

I think they were being sarcastic. As soon as SNK popped up, anybody with passing knowledge of SNK knew it was Terry. That was the kicker though, a lot of people didn't know who Terry was (including me) and made people believe it was a grand revelation.

That's.... not true in the slightest, and I had this exact same conversation on Reddit just the other day.


Yeah, Terry is the posterboy, I'm not denying that, and even I thought it was Terry, but to say everyone thought it was Terry is hilariously wrong.


People here legit were looking at the MilkBosatu leak and assuming Nakoruru from Samsho due to the MilkBosatu leak still being alive at the time. Doesn't help that Papagenos kept reporting on said leak during this time, giving it exposure.

Mexico/Spain where churning out Marco from Metal Slug for Smash memes when they heard SNK was getting a rep.

King of Fighters with Kyo Kusanagi was honestly in high talks all around the internet from what I saw.


Yeah, Terry made more sense than all of those, but people unfamiliar with SNK were not looking at him because "Reeeee Trucker Ken reeeeeee boring."

 

[Lamperouge]

I saw this video in my YouTube feed:

Tagging Idon because he'd probably get a kick out of this one, although that's assuming he hasn't already seen it.

 

[Noipoi]

yeahhhh

here we go now

 

[Fatmanonice]

Crossover wise, Terry is overwhelmingly the SNK character of choice. That's the takeaway. He is basically Mr. SNK.

 

[Knight Dude]

It's not Capcom, It's not Namco, It's not Doom, MK, Crash, or Geno; It's not Square or Microsoft......

WHO IS IT!?!

There are like, no choices left. At this point it's probably actually Frogger. Who I guess does make sense under PlantLogic.

TFW Sakurai thinks your design is so genius you get to be playable before that fool Kusanagi!

I hope you're ready for a dozen more remixes of Arashi no Saxophone.

If I'm being serious though, there's the Gordon Freeman rumor(I don't know if that's been debunked, I think it was), Reimu, Spyro and a more I'm not even thinking of. And that's only for this particular DLC character, not the post pass DLC somewhere down the line.

 

[Shroob]

Crossover wise, Terry is overwhelmingly the SNK character of choice. That's the takeaway. He is basically Mr. SNK.

You're not wrong, but to say "Everyone who knew SNK knew it was Terry" is a logical fallacy at best, one proven above.


The only reason the other choices got thrown in the trash is because Verg said "It's Terry", while Sabi kept saying "I know who it is!" "Wait I don't!" "Guys I totally do!" for over 36 hours.


Sabi may have good info, but I'm sorry, their behavior has been ****, so tbh, they can take their info and shove it, doesn't help a bit after that Memoryman info got leaked and they were shown to be pretty ****ing awful as a person anyway.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

you think they might double dip with a company already in the pass?

Steven Minecraft, here we go!

 

[Shadowwolflink]

I think they were being sarcastic. As soon as SNK popped up, anybody with passing knowledge of SNK knew it was Terry. That was the kicker though, a lot of people didn't know who Terry was (including me) and made people believe it was a grand revelation.

Also, in my own words:

Is "speculating and theorycrafting" really any different from leaking when it's based on information that isn't public?

A leaker by any other name...

 

[SnakeFighter64]

TFW Sakurai thinks your design is so genius you get to be playable before that fool Kusanagi!
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I hope you're ready for a dozen more remixes of Arashi no Saxophone.

If I'm being serious though, there's the Gordon Freeman rumor(I don't know if that's been debunked, I think it was), Reimu, Spyro and a more I'm not even thinking of. And that's only for this particular DLC character, not the post pass DLC somewhere down the line.

Well yeah. Every deconfirmed character is still on the table for post-pass. Spyro’s not particularly likely before Crash. So I guess at this point it’s either Reimu, Frogger, or someone weird.

I’m on Team Frogger and shadow rooting for Kratos.

 

[Idon]

I saw this video in my YouTube feed:

Tagging Idon because he'd probably get a kick out of this one, although that's assuming he hasn't already seen it.

Oh yes, I have that soundclip play whenever I get a text message.

Sidenote: nocturne can and will take advantage of your innate gullibility.

 

[Fatmanonice]

On that front, I do agree that insider/leaker culture is hot garbage and why I don't want to be a part of it anymore. The info's cool and there's plenty of cool people but it's honestly a mess.

 

[Noipoi]

you think they might double dip with a company already in the pass?

Steven Minecraft, here we go!

Master Chef.

That’s right, Gordon Ramsey.

 

[Shroob]

TFW Sakurai thinks your design is so genius you get to be playable before that fool Kusanagi!
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I hope you're ready for a dozen more remixes of Arashi no Saxophone.

If I'm being serious though, there's the Gordon Freeman rumor(I don't know if that's been debunked, I think it was), Reimu, Spyro and a more I'm not even thinking of. And that's only for this particular DLC character, not the post pass DLC somewhere down the line.

The dude who made the Gordon rumor admitted on Twitter "Imagine making a fake-ass leak and getting picked up by ****ing news sites" or something like that.

 

[Knight Dude]

That's.... not true in the slightest, and I had this exact same conversation on Reddit just the other day.


Yeah, Terry is the posterboy, I'm not denying that, and even I thought it was Terry, but to say everyone thought it was Terry is hilariously wrong.


People here legit were looking at the MilkBosatu leak and assuming Nakoruru from Samsho due to the MilkBosatu leak still being alive at the time. Doesn't help that Papagenos kept reporting on said leak during this time, giving it exposure.

Mexico/Spain where churning out Marco from Metal Slug for Smash memes when they heard SNK was getting a rep.

King of Fighters with Kyo Kusanagi was honestly in high talks all around the internet from what I saw.


Yeah, Terry made more sense than all of those, but people unfamiliar with SNK were not looking at him because "Reeeee Trucker Ken reeeeeee boring."

Imagine thinking the Legendary Hungry Wolf is boring. You have to have a severe lack of taste to think in such a way.

Well yeah. Every deconfirmed character is still on the table for post-pass. Spyro’s not particularly likely before Crash. So I guess at this point it’s either Reimu, Frogger, or someone weird.

I’m on Team Frogger and shadow rooting for Kratos.

As far as I know, SEGA hasn't been shot down by leakers, nor has Sub-Zero, while Scorpion has. On a personal level, I severely doubt Kratos because unlike MS, Sony has no history of playing nice with Nintendo, or an entire subset of series that were formerly Nintendo exclusive like MS has with Banjo Kazooie, KI and so on.

 

[Rangez]

Ok, so out of curiousity I checked back to the Geno Thread to see what the heck was going on and...

Gotta say, I wasn't able to keep up with all the commotion in there. There were these random outsiders who've never seen before and they just managed to cause a toxic ruckus in what was supposed to be a positive, welcoming haven for Geno supporters! (And this is coming from someone who's never been appealed to the character.)

I'll be going to bed soon enough, see you all later.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Is "speculating and theorycrafting" really any different from leaking when it's based on information that isn't public?

A leaker by any other name...

Are esoteric hints about rumors really leaking though? Is what Papageno's and GameXplain do in their speculation videos "leaking?" They're savy to things and I'm well aware of this. Again, the degree of seriousness that people take speculation is so wild, especially when we have numerous examples of honest to God leaks that have landed people in real legal trouble.n

 

[TheCJBrine]

Okay so we’re getting one of these dudes:

-Sony character (Kratos?)
-Monokuma
-Reimu
-Master Chief
-LET’S GO STEVE! PLEASE SAKURAI!!! GIVE ME MY BLOCKY SON
-Porky means business, suckers!
-WAHAWEEGEE NUMBAH ONE
-another first-party, another new third-party, or some other double-dipping company

 

[Shroob]

Are esoteric hints about rumors really leaking though? Is what Papageno's and GameXplain do in their speculation videos "leaking?" They're savy to things and I'm well aware of this. Again, the degree of seriousness that people take speculation is so wild, especially when we have numerous examples of honest to God leaks that have landed people in real legal trouble.n

I mean, Papagenos just reports on leaks, and he's pretty up front about it.

Now he has sometimes done more harm than good, like when he kept the Gothitelle leak alive for far too goddamn long, but he's just a figurehead to talk, and an okay dude that even I've dropped info to that I've heard from time to time.


And tbh, Jongamexplain has info at times, his one Direct prediction was way too ****ing scarily accurrate that one time back when they ported all the FF games to Switch.

 

[Zinith]

Imagine what would happen if more DLC wasn't confirmed by this point

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Imagine thinking the Legendary Hungry Wolf is boring. You have to have a severe lack of taste to think in such a way.



As far as I know, SEGA hasn't been shot down by leakers, nor has Sub-Zero, while Scorpion has. On a personal level, I severely doubt Kratos because unlike MS, Sony has no history of playing nice with Nintendo, or an entire subset of series that were formerly Nintendo exclusive like MS has with Banjo Kazooie, KI and so on.

SEGA is out for the same reason as Microsoft and Square. They already have one.

And Sub-Zero.... I could see it, but it feels more like including Luigi and not Mario

 

[Shroob]

SEGA is out for the same reason as Microsoft and Square. They already have one.

And Sub-Zero.... I could see it, but it feels more like including Luigi and not Mario

I mean, can you really say they won't double dip?


We're all making assumptions here when there's only one fact:


"We don't know ****."

 

[Shadowwolflink]

Are esoteric hints about rumors really leaking though? Is what Papageno's and GameXplain do in their speculation videos "leaking?" They're savy to things and I'm well aware of this. Again, the degree of seriousness that people take speculation is so wild, especially when we have numerous examples of honest to God leaks that have landed people in real legal trouble.n

If someone has information that isn't public and releases it in any way, whether straight up or vaguely through hints, theories, speculation, etc.. that's a leak as far as I'm concerned, so sure.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I mean, can you really say they won't double dip?


We're all making assumptions here when there's only one fact:


"We don't know ****."

It's an assumption that makes sense. Although you guys all disagree with me about evenly representing the third party companies so I guess it makes sense why you'd think they could double dip.

 

[Knight Dude]

SEGA is out for the same reason as Microsoft and Square. They already have one.

And Sub-Zero.... I could see it, but it feels more like including Luigi and not Mario

And? Unless there's someone with credibility who says that the company doesn't have more characters for this fifth character, we shouldn't rule them out for being a potential choice. If they didn't actually remove Square from the running, there's still characters like Terra, Crono or even Lara Croft, technically.

On top of this, this would assume that these guys still have their DLC info as legit, granted the track record makes me consider what they are saying at least.

I mean, can you really say they won't double dip?


We're all making assumptions here when there's only one fact:


"We don't know ****."

Pretty much.

 

[Shroob]

It's an assumption that makes sense. Although you guys all disagree with me about evenly representing the third party companies so I guess it makes sense why you'd think they could double dip.

Of course it makes sense.


But here's a Plant




The first rule of making sense of Smash is that nothing makes sense.

 

[Z25]

man I love being ignored /s

Well your probably gotten an idea by now but if not:

Spoiler

Info supposedly from sabi and her discord was being Blantently twisted to serve a false narrative within in the smash fandom. And because said info was from a known figure here and someone known to be in her discord, it caused quite a lot of commotion in the geno thread where it exploded there first.

you think they might double dip with a company already in the pass?

Steven Minecraft, here we go!

I haven’t heard square or Disney being shot down yet:

 

[Noipoi]

Toxtricity is rad.

 

[Fatmanonice]

If someone has information that isn't public and releases it in any way, whether straight up or vaguely through hints, theories, speculation, etc.. that's a leak as far as I'm concerned, so sure.

Then literally anybody with any iota of insider knowledge who speculates is therefore a leaker. Scorched Earth. Talk about black and white. This means your options are literally lie or don't speculate. I actually want to be involved in this community and have been for a decade and a half so just flat out disappearing was never an option.

 

[Z25]

If capcom really is out though, then it’s Sony or I honestly think it’s Sora.

If you were Nintendo and you wanted to make the big bucks, the first 3 characters on the pass were great ways to lure in those pre purchases. However if you wanted that final gut punch, busting out Sora as the last character is the way to do it. You would pick up a bunch of people who just love the series and instantly grab anyone who wasn’t buying the pass yet or any of the characters, because Sora is just that damn big and recognizable.

Also tying the remind DLC into his release would be a way to really drum up the KH hype again.

Disney would probably be a hassle but at this point we really can’t rule them out. Plus Sora gets you a new copyright tag to continue the trend. Also Sora being last would be a character no leaker would want to put out there because of how much of a tight knit secret that would be.

If it isn’t him or a Sony rep, then it’s gotta be a Nintendo rep with the idea being they didn’t know if more dlc would come but they wanted to make sure they promoted an upcoming game.

Which at this point, it’s gotta come down to Three Houses or Astral Chain. Both of which would be pretty cool reps to have

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Of course it makes sense.


But here's a Plant




The first rule of making sense of Smash is that nothing makes sense.

I don't even know any.......

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Sorry. My head fell on the keyboard.

I'm tired. I'm sick. I have to work on a paper. I want to go to SLEEP. And I want to have a ****. This is all i want from life right now. I cant handle this kind of double think.

And the thing that's the most frustrating is the fact that as soon as we know who character 5 is we're all gonna be like "duh! Of COURSE it was them! Why were we so confused?". I hate that.

 

[Shroob]

I don't even know any.......

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Sorry. My head fell on the keyboard.

I'm tired. I'm sick. I have to work on a paper. I want to go to SLEEP. And I want to have a ****. This is all i want from life right now. I cant handle this kind of double think.

And the thing that's the most frustrating is the fact that as soon as we know who character 5 is we're all gonna be like "duh! Of COURSE it was them! Why were we so confused?". I hate that.

That's just the way surprises work.



The best thing is to just assume that "Characters who haven't been deconfirmed are all fair game", and even then, take the prior statement with a grain of salt.

Saying things can't or won't happen is the first way to be proven wrong.

 

[Knight Dude]

It's an assumption that makes sense. Although you guys all disagree with me about evenly representing the third party companies so I guess it makes sense why you'd think they could double dip.

That's mostly because people more so care about the characters in a singular manner, who are they as a character, rather than what company they come from. Capcom's a great example of this. RE gets spirits, but DMC fans would still want Dante, AA fans with Phoenix, Okami fans with Ammy, even me with another Mega Man(though obviously not this pass). People don't want Dante because he's Capcom, but because he's Dante.

But since Capcom as a whole isn't for this particular spot, so these leakers are kind of killing the hype of guessing who it is, but not having the stones to just outright say it. Same for Namco and whoever else. The representation between characters from third party companies and series is already un-even, so why should it matter now? Castlevania and Street Fighter get two characters, would it be nice if Sonic and Mega Man did as well? Of course it would, but it's not like it has to be done just so Thanos doesn't flip his ****.

Heck, even with Joker, most of that dealing was Atlus rather than the main branch of SEGA.

 

[Noipoi]

Anyone stressing over who #5 is should chill. No need to freak, we’ll know soon so enjoy the ride brahs.

 

[Knight Dude]

I wonder if Fighter 5 will know the Smell of the game or not?

Anyone stressing over who #5 should chill. No need to freak, we’ll know soon so enjoy the ride brahs.

I just want them to show this ***** already so I can download Terry and Banjo-Kazooie, whilst keeping my promise to myself.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

That's mostly because people more so care about the characters in a singular manner, who are they as a character, rather than what company they come from. Capcom's a great example of this. RE gets spirits, but DMC fans would still want Dante, AA fans with Phoenix, Okami fans with Ammy, even me with another Mega Man(though obviously not this pass). People don't want Dante because he's Capcom, but because he's Dante.

But since Capcom as a whole isn't for this particular spot, so these leakers are kind of killing the hype of guessing who it is, but not having the stones to just outright say it. Same for Namco and whoever else. The representation between characters from third party companies and series is already un-even, so why should it matter now? Castlevania and Street Fighter get two characters, would it be nice if Sonic and Mega Man did as well? Of course it would, but it's not like it has to be done just so Thanos doesn't flip his ****.

Heck, even with Joker, most of that dealing was Atlus rather than the main branch of SEGA.

I don't care what you think about it. If I were designing smash's roster, I would weigh my third party's evenly and by how long they've been in the series. SEGA, Konami, Capcom, Namco, and Square have been in the longest, so they get two franchises (or I guess three now. Thanks Joker.), Microsoft, SNK, and any other newcomers are the newbies, so they get one, then maybe two later. That's the way I see it at least. It's not what I want. It's what makes sense from a design and gamefeel perspective. Any one franchise or company being disproportionately large causes the crossover nature to become out of wack. And I don't know how many times I have to say that before you all start getting it. If I had my choice we'd have every fighting game and rareware IP under the sun in this game. Plus all the big name hack and slashes. But we don't. Because that would be unbalanced and feel weird to the average consumer. For the same reason we can't have as many Fire Emblem and Capcom characters as exist just because it's what some people want. Because it's not balanced. And if Sakurai wants to be a good game designer, then he better start thinking about this stuff instead of just doing whatever.

My point is, we just should have had a second Namco character by now.

 

[Noipoi]

I don't care what you think about it. If I were designing smash's roster, I would weigh my third party's evenly and by how long they've been in the series. SEGA, Konami, Capcom, Namco, and Square have been in the longest, so they get two franchises (or I guess three now. Thanks Joker.), Microsoft, SNK, and any other newcomers are the newbies, so they get one, then maybe two later. That's the way I see it at least. It's not what I want. It's what makes sense from a design and gamefeel perspective. Any one franchise or company being disproportionately large causes the crossover nature to become out of wack. And I don't know how many times I have to say that before you all start getting it. If I had my choice we'd have every fighting game and rareware IP under the sun in this game. Plus all the big name hack and slashes. But we don't. Because that would be unbalanced and feel weird to the average consumer. For the same reason we can't have as many Fire Emblem and Capcom characters as exist just because it's what some people want. Because it's not balanced. And if Sakurai wants to be a good game designer, then he better start thinking about this stuff instead of just doing whatever.

I just want them to show this ***** already so I can download Terry and Banjo-Kazooie, whilst keeping my promise to myself.

One week left!

Unless for some reason they don’t show up at TGA which would suck ass

 

[SnakeFighter64]

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One week left!

Unless for some reason they don’t show up at TGA which would suck ass

I need to go to sleep. I’ll try to finish my paper in the morning before class starts. I’m clearly not right in the head right now.

 

[Noipoi]

I need to go to sleep. I’ll try to finish my paper in the morning before class starts. I’m clearly not right in the head right now.

Instead of writing on smashboards you should write that paper. Get it out of the way so ya don’t gotta worry!