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Anyway, in the topic of Geno:
It's possible. But...
Square has to be in on it
Nintendo has to be in on it
Sakurai has to be in on it.

The first 2 are hard enough. Square hasn't done anything with Geno since M&L:SS, and Nintendo may want to promote other characters from Mario instead, it is their flagship franchise after all. Sakurai is Sakurai, who knows what he thinks of him now.
Like. Why would Square not want it. It’s still licensing money going into their pockets and they’ve already got in their two biggest names.
 

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At that point I think we’ll know we’re being rediculous.
If you said this kinda thing in Brawl times, you’d have the same response to the hypothetical of an 80 character roster.

I do find it ironic that the exact same people who go THANK YOU SAKURAI after everything he does are also the same people who get mad when he adds in a character they don't know.
I don’t know if this is targeted at me for my “anti-Geno posting” through the last few pages, but I wouldn’t be mad at sakurai if Geno got in.

I wouldn’t be particularly fond of Geno, but that wouldn’t magically negate for me how much amazing content Ultimate already has, in addition to things I specifically wanted like returning vets and stages, Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo-Kazooie, in addition to Joker less than a month before I even fell in love with P5, as well as the promise of even MORE characters.
but I’d still be down to see how he plays.
 

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All this talk about Shulk and Marth just makes me remember the Photoshopped Little Mac meme.
 

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Like. Why would Square not want it. It’s still licensing money going into their pockets and they’ve already got in their two biggest names.
Not trying to knock Geno's chances, but...

Square has Lara Croft, an utter gaming icon left. They have Kingdom Hearts left which is the biggest crossover in gaming that's probably not Smash. The Disney side of that is huge.

Final Fantasy is still rife with other popular faces just from Cloud's game alone before heading off into the other numbered installments.

Geno's kind of a blip in their long storied history, even if he is kind of their biggest remaining ''This is what our friendship with Nintendo has created." now that Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy are both present.
 

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Moving away from this, the idea of “Big 3” got me thinking, who are everyone’s “Big 3” not included at the moment, and why do you want those characters.

Given the prevalence of third parties in speculation over the past better part of a year, those tend to be what I fantasize about in Smash atm.

Mine would be Phoenix Wright, Crash Bandicoot, and Dante.

Got into Crash with the N-Sane Trilogy on PS4 a few years back, and got back into it with CTR Nitro-Fueled. I’d love to see him in. He’s an icon, and while Smash is becoming more “video game crossover” than “Nintendo crossover” in identity, it’d still be wild to see Mario, Sonic, and Crash all duke it out.

I’ve never actually played a DMC game, but my best friend loves the games and gave me the run down of the lore over time, and I had Vinny Vinesauce’s DMC5 stream as background noise while I animated for school. I really wanna pick up the Remastered PS4 trilogy sometime and play the original and DMC3 at some point. Still love the characters even if I’ve yet to play them, and I’d hope they do something with Bayonetta for his trailer.

I played the first four cases of Ace Attorney a few years back on mobile, but never got around to doing Rise from the Ashes. Picked up the trilogy on Switch over the summer and flew through the first four cases again, and fell in love all over again with Rise from the Ashes. About to start Justice for All on mobile.
He’s kinda niche and is probably the least likely of the three. Crash is huge and is multi platform now. Dante is huge and is getting on Nintendo now so that helps. But I don’t know if Phoenix is big enough. Capcom certainly seems to be neglecting him lately, so they may push for an RE character or Dante or something.
 

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For the record, I'm not trying to dissuade Geno supporters from believing in their character.

I just think there needs to be a better argument than, "Look, we got Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo! Never say never!" Geno is a very unique case, and there's probably a specific reason why Sakurai himself acknowledged his popularity but has still yet to have added him in Smash.
 

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Not again with the 'big 4'

Ranking Geno among the likes of the antagonists of Donkey Kong and Metroid and an icon of 3D platforming is not something I'm behind.

I'm still baffled by how Geno has gotten such a big fanbase over the years...
 

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Not trying to knock Geno's chances, but...

Square has Lara Croft, an utter gaming icon left. They have Kingdom Hearts left which is the biggest crossover in gaming that's probably not Smash. The Disney side of that is huge.

Final Fantasy is still rife with other popular faces just from Cloud's game alone before heading off into the other numbered installments.

Geno's kind of a blip in their long storied history, even if he is kind of their biggest remaining ''This is what our friendship with Nintendo has created." now that Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy are both present.
I mean. That’s a fair way to look at it. But it’s not like including Geno hurts them in any real way.
 
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Moving away from this, the idea of “Big 3” got me thinking, who are everyone’s “Big 3” not included at the moment, and why do you want those characters.

Given the prevalence of third parties in speculation over the past better part of a year, those tend to be what I fantasize about in Smash atm.

Mine would be Phoenix Wright, Crash Bandicoot, and Dante.

Got into Crash with the N-Sane Trilogy on PS4 a few years back, and got back into it with CTR Nitro-Fueled. I’d love to see him in. He’s an icon, and while Smash is becoming more “video game crossover” than “Nintendo crossover” in identity, it’d still be wild to see Mario, Sonic, and Crash all duke it out.

I’ve never actually played a DMC game, but my best friend loves the games and gave me the run down of the lore over time, and I had Vinny Vinesauce’s DMC5 stream as background noise while I animated for school. I really wanna pick up the Remastered PS4 trilogy sometime and play the original and DMC3 at some point. Still love the characters even if I’ve yet to play them, and I’d hope they do something with Bayonetta for his trailer.

I played the first four cases of Ace Attorney a few years back on mobile, but never got around to doing Rise from the Ashes. Picked up the trilogy on Switch over the summer and flew through the first four cases again, and fell in love all over again with Rise from the Ashes. About to start Justice for All on mobile.
He’s kinda niche and is probably the least likely of the three. Crash is huge and is multi platform now. Dante is huge and is getting on Nintendo now so that helps. But I don’t know if Phoenix is big enough. Capcom certainly seems to be neglecting him lately, so they may push for an RE character or Dante or something.
I originally had a big 2. That was Bomberman and K. Rool.

Then it bumped up to a Big 3 of Erdrick, Banjo, and Bomberman.

Now it's bumped to the current Big 3 of Bomberman, Hat Kid and Geno. Ultimate was crazy for me.
 

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I mean. That’s a fair way to look at it. But it’s not like including Geno hurts them in any real way.
I mean he'd get them money sure. Lots of it.

But adding Sora or Lara or even someone like Tifa/Sephiroth gets them an even bigger amount of money.

Now the curious thing about Sora to me is that they'd probably share that money with Disney and I think that might be another thing that hurts HIM, but he's also a never say never.

Literally anyone can get into Smash if Sakurai wills it and wants it enough and works at it.
 

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The thing that gets me about Geno is that Square worked on a few Mario sports games for the DS and Wii.
Perfect opportunity to put Geno and maybe Mallow in yeah?

Nah, have characters representing some Final Fantasy jobs. a Moogle and a Cactaur plus a Behemoth as a boss
 

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I want to make it clear that I’m not saying you can’t like Geno. Good for you that you’re so passionate about something.

I just think it’s important to take a step back, look at the situation the character is actually in aside from fan demand, and maybe keep your expectations in check.

So many K. Rool supporters, myself included, got screwed over by this during Smash 4’s DLC run. I saw the Mii costume and thought, despite it having a new model and effort in it to please fans, that it meant absolutely nothing and K. Rool was still likely for DLC because he was popular. I should’ve realized that despite how popular he was, Sakurai went out of his way to make him a costume this time around, something he wouldn’t have done if he genuinely intended for him to be playable in this game. It would’ve saved me a lot of headaches in the end.
 

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I'm surprised by how no one is bringing up Mewtwo's popularity before and during Smash 4.

I mean, he's literally the character that jumpstarted DLC and gave us the six other characters following him.
 
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I want to make it clear that I’m not saying you can’t like Geno. Good for you that you’re so passionate about something.

I just think it’s important to take a step back, look at the situation the character is actually in aside from fan demand, and maybe keep your expectations in check.

So many K. Rool supporters, myself included, got screwed over by this during Smash 4’s DLC run. I saw the Mii costume and thought, despite it having a new model and effort in it to please fans, that it meant absolutely nothing and K. Rool was still likely for DLC because he was popular. I should’ve realized that despite how popular he was, Sakurai went out of his way to make him a costume this time around, something he wouldn’t have done if he genuinely intended for him to be playable in this game. It would’ve saved me a lot of headaches in the end.
Look. The head of Square Enix can knock on my door, kick me in the balls, and tell me Geno isn't in and I still wouldn't back down from this bet. Ride or die.
 

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Moving away from this, the idea of “Big 3” got me thinking, who are everyone’s “Big 3” not included at the moment, and why do you want those characters.

Given the prevalence of third parties in speculation over the past better part of a year, those tend to be what I fantasize about in Smash atm.

Mine would be Phoenix Wright, Crash Bandicoot, and Dante.

Got into Crash with the N-Sane Trilogy on PS4 a few years back, and got back into it with CTR Nitro-Fueled. I’d love to see him in. He’s an icon, and while Smash is becoming more “video game crossover” than “Nintendo crossover” in identity, it’d still be wild to see Mario, Sonic, and Crash all duke it out.

I’ve never actually played a DMC game, but my best friend loves the games and gave me the run down of the lore over time, and I had Vinny Vinesauce’s DMC5 stream as background noise while I animated for school. I really wanna pick up the Remastered PS4 trilogy sometime and play the original and DMC3 at some point. Still love the characters even if I’ve yet to play them, and I’d hope they do something with Bayonetta for his trailer.

I played the first four cases of Ace Attorney a few years back on mobile, but never got around to doing Rise from the Ashes. Picked up the trilogy on Switch over the summer and flew through the first four cases again, and fell in love all over again with Rise from the Ashes. About to start Justice for All on mobile.
He’s kinda niche and is probably the least likely of the three. Crash is huge and is multi platform now. Dante is huge and is getting on Nintendo now so that helps. But I don’t know if Phoenix is big enough. Capcom certainly seems to be neglecting him lately, so they may push for an RE character or Dante or something.
Waluigi, Frisk, and uh...

Uh...

Yeah everyone else I want is already here lmao
 

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I would be fine with Geno, because I think he’d be fun. However, considering I personally would like to see the roster expand with some of the biggest and greatest 3rd parties, he’s not in my Top 5.

I don’t think it’s wise to count him out, but I also don’t think it’s wise to think he’s a lock or anything like that. You could make the argument that Banjo-Kazooie was a major fan want and that supports Geno, but I see that as a different situation entirely.

Geno is a one-off party member from a Mario RPG (amazing game) that came out generations ago. Outside of the Smash fanbase, I imagine it would be tough to recognize him. This is something that the character would have to overcome. It’s because of this that i can see it being difficult for Sakurai and Square Enix to make him playable, when the bigger Square Enix related character, Sora, is available (not that Sora and Geno can’t both be in Smash, but they have a sort of proximity to each other).

I would accept Geno because I like him and Mario RPG. But I can definitely see why he could be a Mii Fighter with added music, just like Sans.
 

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I mean he'd get them money sure. Lots of it.

But adding Sora or Lara or even someone like Tifa/Sephiroth gets them an even bigger amount of money.

Now the curious thing about Sora to me is that they'd probably share that money with Disney and I think that might be another thing that hurts HIM, but he's also a never say never.

Literally anyone can get into Smash if Sakurai wills it and wants it enough and works at it.
Disney owns Sora though. Technically speaking, Nintendo wouldn’t even need to talk to Square at all.
 

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The thing that gets me about Geno is that Square worked on a few Mario sports games for the DS and Wii.
Perfect opportunity to put Geno and maybe Mallow in yeah?

Nah, have characters representing some Final Fantasy jobs. a Moogle and a Cactaur plus a Behemoth as a boss
speaking of which

now it seems less clear as to if we'll get full new stages with season 2, i will sell a kidney to get a classic final fantasy character who comes with like two tracks for midgar
 

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The thing that gets me about Geno is that Square worked on a few Mario sports games for the DS and Wii.
Perfect opportunity to put Geno and maybe Mallow in yeah?

Nah, have characters representing some Final Fantasy jobs. a Moogle and a Cactaur plus a Behemoth as a boss
I mean you have some what of a point. But the FF jobs, Moogle, and Cactuar represent their company. All of those are memorable faces of their biggest franchise mixing with Nintendo's biggest franchise.

It really does make sense as to why Geno and Mallow would get left out of that situation.
 

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I originally had a big 2. That was Bomberman and K. Rool.

Then it bumped up to a Big 3 of Erdrick, Banjo, and Bomberman.

Now it's bumped to the current Big 3 of Bomberman, Hat Kid and Geno. Ultimate was crazy for me.
I legitimately never considered Hat Kid for Smash. She would be the indie rep nobody saw coming.

As someone who’s also played through a Hat in Time, I’m not sure how much potential she would have to fight (most of her moves are just for mobility if I remember correctly), but I could definitely see her as a Mii Fighter, and would even accept her as a fighter, if they managed to do her right.
 

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Disney owns Sora though. Technically speaking, Nintendo wouldn’t even need to talk to Square at all.
I believe they do, actually.
From my understanding, Disney owns the character of Sora, but Square-Enix owns the design of Sora. In addition, Disney always asks Nomura permission before using Sora, out of respect.
 
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I legitimately never considered Hat Kid for Smash. She would be the indie rep nobody saw coming.

As someone who’s also played through a Hat in Time, I’m not sure how much potential she would have to fight (most of her moves are just for mobility if I remember correctly), but I could definitely see her as a Mii Fighter, and would even accept her as a fighter, if they managed to do her right.
I so don't expect Hat Kid ever to come to Smash, but A Hat in Time did so much right for me to where I can't help but support it.

Fighting potential is certainly up in the air, but a laser beam, potion bombs, ground pound, time powers, etc can do wonders. The potential's there.
 

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Oh, I understand how it was impactful on the Mario brand, and that the early Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario games I love wouldn’t exist because of it.
I’m just talking gaming as a whole, not just Mario.

And yeah, if they need to have a Mario RPG rep, it’s gotta be Paper Mario. #RemasterSuperMarioRPG never trended on Twitter. For everyone who wants a Super Mario RPG 2, there’s a million people want a proper Paper Mario 3.
Let’s be honest here. That’s not a fair comparison.

Remaster paper mario is only a trend because of Arlo and his immense popularity. It wasn’t a trend before that and any attempts to make it trend died down because no figure of notoriety was spear heading it.

If Arlo said remaster Super Mario ROG. You can bet that would be trending
 

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Let’s be honest here. That’s not a fair comparison.

Remaster paper mario is only a trend because of Arlo and his immense popularity. It wasn’t a trend before that and any attempts to make it trend died down because no figure of notoriety was spear heading it.

If Arlo said remaster Super Mario ROG. You can bet that would be trending
I kind of want a remaster if SMRPG more. Has more potential for a more interesting remake.
 

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Moving away from this, the idea of “Big 3” got me thinking, who are everyone’s “Big 3” not included at the moment, and why do you want those characters.
I think my most-wanted characters at this point (in no particular order) are Doomguy, Geno, and Dante.

Geno is 100% unabashed nostalgia. Super Mario RPG was one of the first video games that I played (I can't remember if it was THE first, but it was one of the first ones that I really got into, along with Kirby Super Star and Wario Land 2). Geno really stood out to me because of his design - for whatever reason, he reminded me a lot of Piccolo from Dragon Ball Z, who was and still is my favourite character in that show. Also, given the legal issues surrounding the character, a game like Smash Bros. is one of the few games where he even has a possibility of appearing. (the only other cases where he had a chance were games like Fortune Street or the handful of Square-Enix-made Mario sports titles, and he didn't show up in those)

I only got into Doom through the 2016 reboot, and I haven't played the original games yet, but that game was easily the most fun that I've had playing a single player first person shooter game. Doomguy, or the Doom Slayer if you want to make him sound serious, played a big part in that - for a character with no lines of dialogue where you only occasionally see his arms or legs, they managed to make him so entertaining through his actions alone. I'd love to see the developers of Smash translate that game's frantic, run and gun, "stopping means death" style of gameplay into Smash. I realize that his chances aren't likely (Japan tends to frown upon games with large amounts of gore), but Doom's a hugely influential series (it may not have created first person shooters, but it certainly popularized them)

As for Dante, I played through the Devil May Cry series a couple of years back, and before I had even started Devil May Cry 4, I could easily see him working in Smash. I wrote up an entire moveset for the character that, thanks to incorporating weapon switching, was more like three movesets, and I could easily make another one based on Devli May Cry 5 on its own. While I don't know how likely he is for two very opposing reasons (on one hand, four Capcom characters might seem excessive - on the other hand, Capcom has a ton of characters to choose from, with pretty strong competition from a Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright, Jill Valentine, or Leon Kennedy), I'd love to see what they could do with him, especially if they base his moves on Devil May Cry 3, 4, or 5. (DMC1 could work, though it would be more basic than the others, and I don't recall anything interesting about DMC2's combat)

Around Smash 4's launch, I think it was :ultkrool::ultridley::ultbayonetta: (not counting Snake's return, or characters that I saw as being impossible like Banjo and Kazooie), but Smash Ultimate (and Smash 4's DLC) has been very good to me in that regard.
 
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I so don't expect Hat Kid ever to come to Smash, but A Hat in Time did so much right for me to where I can't help but support it.

Fighting potential is certainly up in the air, but a laser beam, potion bombs, ground pound, time powers, etc can do wonders. The potential's there.
Really do like that game. I need to get around to 100%ing it on my PS4 at some time. I hope more studios hop on that mini-renaissance of 3D platformers we’ve been getting, with Hat in Time, Yooka Laylee (to an extent from what I hear), Mario Odyssey, and the Crash, Spyro, and eventually Spongebob remakes.

It really is a genre that, while flawed at its time, can easily be updated with modern tech and have some truly special games.
 

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For the record, I'm not trying to dissuade Geno supporters from believing in their character.

I just think there needs to be a better argument than, "Look, we got Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo! Never say never!" Geno is a very unique case, and there's probably a specific reason why Sakurai himself acknowledged his popularity but has still yet to have added him in Smash.
But there is more to that.

Sakurai literally said Geno was perfect for smash and he wants him playable.

I said it before, but I’ll say it again.

With FF and DQ in smash, the last current big series for Square left, is KH. Which after the Spider Man fiasco, I think it’s obvious Disney is very money hungry.

They’d probably change Sakurai the price of a full smash 7 budget to get Sora. I don’t see negotiations going well there.

People bring up Laura Croft but honestly I think that series is more on the low side of squares game right now. They’ve been pushing out new projects to huge success and when not doing that, FF and DQ get a huge focus.

Yeah TR is iconic but I don’t think square is going to put here in. If anything I think 2B stands a bigger chance then Laura and would be the only other character I could see make it to Smash if not Geno.

But giving the statements of Sakurai, Square having their biggest franchises that can easily be repped, repped, and the removal of the Geno costume( which I’m positive would have been released with Hero), it seems like Geno has a good shot.

He might not make it but there’s more to him and Square then I think people consider.
 
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Really do like that game. I need to get around to 100%ing it on my PS4 at some time. I hope more studios hop on that mini-renaissance of 3D platformers we’ve been getting, with Hat in Time, Yooka Laylee (to an extent from what I hear), Mario Odyssey, and the Crash, Spyro, and eventually Spongebob remakes.

It really is a genre that, while flawed at its time, can easily be updated with modern tech and have some truly special games.
Somebody mentioned less collectables and more set pieces, and that's honestly a smart way to modernize the genre. Odyssey is more about the world tour than the power moons and A Hat in Time focuses on mini stories that engage the player to the end of that world.
 
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