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You know, I'm just really happy with this direct. We didn't get a lot, let's be honest, but the Smash news was wild.

- Terry Bogard
- Mii Costumes
- SANS MII SANS MII
- Banjo Released
- More DLC Fighters
- Home Run Contest

Just felt like a really good day for Smash.
 
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It's not just one or the other. It's a complicated balance of both. If there were only like, 2 other Fire Emblem characters in this game, then sure. Fire away. But we have EVERYONE. Which includes all 7 characters he's done in the path from one of Nintendo's b-tier, arguably c-tier, franchises. So in this particular instance, representation trumps moveset uniqueness and Fire Emblem is rendered out of the running.
I don't know how you can say a multimillion dollar series that pushed its way to one of Nintendo's head star series is objectively C-tier, especially when you know jack **** about the series and can't really vouch for its quality, but that's not what I'm going to focus on.

I'm focusing on this: Do you think that Fire Emblem having 7 characters is going to render it officially out of the running for Ultimate's cycle? Is that your logic? Because lemme tell you, that sounds like the logic of someone who never learned from Corrin. It's one thing to just not like the series and I can respect that, but don't delude yourself and tell me your conclusion is not contradictory or even your facts of the series are correct. At that point, I'm not taking you seriously.
 
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Basing the number of characters on the roster off of how well a series does was, is and shall always be completely silly because of the number of viable characters in each series.

Nevermind that FE is a growing franchise anyway :lucina:
 

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Fire Emblem. Has. Been. Done. I've seen the whole "fantasy weapon weilder/anime protagonist/down special counter shlock". You're gonna try to tell me that if he adds a Three Houses character it won't feel exactly like the other 7 characters in the game.

It's not because I don't like it. It's because I'm tired of it.
I'm tired of "all Fire Emblem characters are the same" arguments too.
 
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I don't quite agree it's all that inaccurate. He had a limited amount of picks he could have made considering time constraints, and yet, despite folks wanting Waluigi or Lyn, he didn't choose to upgrade them when he absolutely could have. He didn't do it then, and I see no reason to think he would do it now.
Waluigi is a pretty bad example, since there's plenty of reason he would change his mind about him now, considering all the backlash after E3. He also in general changes his mind on things all the time. Villager, Ridley, Miis, they were all deconfirmed by him but he changed his mind. There's no reason why that couldn't happen now, though I don't particularly expect it to happen.
Going by Sakurai's logic (not mine btw lol) if a character like Shantae (just an example) became playable, then she wouldn't be a spirit anymore. This means her Spirit, by his logic, wouldn't exist. It's bizarre, but I'm basing that entirely on the logic of what they were created for from the guy who directs the game.
There's multiple instances of characters having spirits yet being playable, like Wedding Bowser.
 

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Oh no, not this again...

I thought we were beyond these debates already.
Why do you think I was so excited about the New Worlds comment. If it wasn't a "mistranslation" like you are all insisting on (which I still don't believe. Why would Nintendo approve an inaccurate translation?) then these characters would be officially out of the running and these arguments would be over.
 

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It could very well be a one time thing, but now that there is precedent of a Mii Costume being bundled with a song, what are some game series you would like to have a DLC Mii Costume bundled with a single song?
 

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Functionally, Dark Samus is nowhere close to fighting like Samus in Metroid Prime or even as an Assist Trophy (Smash 4), but they took liberties and I'm fine with that. A character in Black Knight's game commented how he moves surprisingly fast in that armor and its totally unfair, so I can see him being a slightly slower Ike.
As a fan of the Tellius series I don't necessarily disagree (it was Ranulf who said that), I'm just trying to see it from the perspective of the developers. While Dark Samus surely required liberties to work, she still could easily fit into the base Samus gave her without too many changes due to her similar body type and the like. BK on appearance alone does give the impression of a more bulky fighter since he's clad in full armor, so there's already a major difference between him and Ike, and from there the differences may've piled up enough for the team to forego him for other less demanding/potentially more popular options.
 
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It could very well be a one time thing, but now that there is precedent of a Mii Costume being bundled with a song, what are some game series you would like to have a DLC Mii Costume bundled with a single song?
They're not ideal, but Geno and Three Houses getting mii costumes only could include songs and that would be fine.

Some people mentioned Shovel Knight and I think that's cool.

If the Heihachi costume returns, that means we could get a Tekken song in.

Dark Souls, Digimon, Galaga, Ace Attorney, DMC, Resident Evil, literally any series not represented at this point could be a contender.
 

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Why do you think I was so excited about the New Worlds comment. If it wasn't a "mistranslation" like you are all insisting on (which I still don't believe. Why would Nintendo approve an inaccurate translation?) then these characters would be officially out of the running and these arguments would be over.
I like third parties to, but it seems kind of ignorant to deny that it was a mistranslation. PushDustin is the one who said that and he's provided the majority of translations for the Smash community and has a clear understanding of Japanese.
 
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As a fan of the Tellius series I don't necessarily disagree (it was Ranulf who said that), I'm just trying to see it from the perspective of the developers. While Dark Samus surely required liberties to work, she still could easily fit into the base Samus gave her without too many changes due to her similar body type and the like. BK on appearance alone does give the impression of a more bulky fighter since he's clad in full armor, so there's already a major difference between him and Ike, and from there the differences may've piled up enough for the team to forego him for other less demanding/potentially more popular options.
That's actually pretty fair. Black Knight is a titan among man with that armor when echo fighters are supposed to proportionally be similar to the fighters they're echoing.
 

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Why do you think I was so excited about the New Worlds comment. If it wasn't a "mistranslation" like you are all insisting on (which I still don't believe. Why would Nintendo approve an inaccurate translation?) then these characters would be officially out of the running and these arguments would be over.
Who do I trust?
People who have a reputation for reliably translating Japanese to English
Or
Some rando on a forum
 

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I like third parties to, but it seems kind of ignorant to deny that it was a mistranslation. PushDustin is the one who said that and he's provided the majority of translations for the Smash community and has a clear understanding of Japanese.
Answer my question. Why would Nintendo approve an inaccurate translation?
 

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It could very well be a one time thing, but now that there is precedent of a Mii Costume being bundled with a song, what are some game series you would like to have a DLC Mii Costume bundled with a single song?
If I cant get him as a fighter, A Layton costume with this as its song
 

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All fighters with weapons are mechanically the same regardless of weapon type because all they have are disjoints hitboxes that are swung, slashed and stabbed around so here's why DDD is an Ike clone
 
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Answer my question. Why would Nintendo approve an inaccurate translation?
Smash Bros is the same game that made Captain K. Rool King K. Rool's brothers and made Lucina a sassy trash talker when in the Japanese version she's more modest.

Localization isn't always 100% and Nintendo is far from perfect.
 

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Isn't Chrom, like Ken, one of the characters that pushes the boundaries on what an echo is? Like, Lucina, Daisy, and Richter are essentially cut and pasted onto a different model with a tweaked property or 2. Chrom feels pretty different from Roy to me.
Mostly. Though to be honest Ken blows the rest of the Echoes out the Water. He's got a lot of unique moves and plenty of altered moves at his disposal.
Speaking of :ultchrom:, it will always bug me that he's playable despite being in :ultrobin:'s Final Smash. They at least could've had Pair Up use another Awakening character when Chrom is in the battle.
I mean, it's a fighting game. Characters can potentially go up against each other and themselves constantly. Like Android 18 sending out Android 17...to beat up Android 17. I think something similar can happen in MK games when using Noob Saibot, sometimes he can bring out Smoke in MK9 unless my memory is fuzzy.

I couldn't tell you what this means for ATs and Spirits.

For now though, both sides should be careful. I think we should all acknowledge that it's not impossible and could very well happen, but also keep our expectations low since there's nothing to confirm that they're still in the running either.
I feel like Spirits matter a lot less, or at least should matter a lot less. Since Mewtwo and Lucas had trophies in the last game before being made DLC. Only to get released and with newer trophies on top of the ones already in the game. Who's to say that they couldn't take someone like Dixie and use a completely different piece of artwork for their fighter spirit?

Like what? A different protagonist with a different personality? A new weapon? Not enough. Because it’s still Fire Emblem.
Not a Fire Emblem guy myself, but I think if that Claude guy got in, he'd be pretty different. It's not like anyone else uses archery for more than one move. That said, I really can't say I'd want another Fire Emblem character either. But I won't deny that there's some potential in that dude compared to the other two. If someone likes the series, there gonna want more, but I do think 7 is plenty for any series.
 

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Who do I trust?
People who have a reputation for reliably translating Japanese to English
Or
Some rando on a forum
Why should I Someone who claims to be providing the "accurate translation" when it's equelly as possible they just want to keep Fire Emblem and Pokemon in the running so their lying, over Nintendo who has to approve the translation, with people who are likely fluent in both languages overseeing the whole thing.

Fans have selfish motives. They want to keep talking about characters they like, even when they aren't happening. Companies have the duty to accuratly represent the products they plan to sell to the consumer. I trust Nintendo over some rando on the internet any day.
 

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Why should I Someone who claims to be providing the "accurate translation" when it's equelly as possible they just want to keep Fire Emblem and Pokemon in the running so their lying, over Nintendo who has to approve the translation, with people who are likely fluent in both languages overseeing the whole thing.

Fans have selfish motives. They want to keep talking about characters they like, even when they aren't happening. Companies have the duty to accuratly represent the products they plan to sell to the consumer. I trust Nintendo over some rando on the internet any day.
Snake..... that's some conspiracy theory level bull****
 

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Answer my question. Why would Nintendo approve an inaccurate translation?
??? Cause stuff slips through the cracks? Why would Nintendo put up the SNK copyright information five days before the direct? For the record, I think it will mainly be third parties, but to say it wasn't a mistranslation or slightly inaccurate just isn't it.
 
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Why should I Someone who claims to be providing the "accurate translation" when it's equelly as possible they just want to keep Fire Emblem and Pokemon in the running so their lying, over Nintendo who has to approve the translation, with people who are likely fluent in both languages overseeing the whole thing.
Burden of proof is on you, lady. Show me some god damn evidence PushDustin is pushing an agenda or has done so in the past if you wanna be taken seriously or else I'm assuming you're just killing time at this point.
 
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Why should I Someone who claims to be providing the "accurate translation" when it's equelly as possible they just want to keep Fire Emblem and Pokemon in the running so their lying, over Nintendo who has to approve the translation, with people who are likely fluent in both languages overseeing the whole thing.

Fans have selfish motives. They want to keep talking about characters they like, even when they aren't happening. Companies have the duty to accuratly represent the products they plan to sell to the consumer. I trust Nintendo over some rando on the internet any day.
Why do people have this weird notion about Smash speculation that if they keep lying it'll eventually become true? Why is it so hard for you to believe the translation of a reliable translator?
 

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...This a bad time to bring this up?
 
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Burden of proof is on you, lady. Show me some god damn evidence PushDustin is pushing an agenda or has done so in the past if you wanna be taken seriously or else I'm assuming you're just killing time at this point.
Why do people have this weird notion about Smash speculation that if they keep lying it'll eventually become true? Why is it so hard for you to believe the translation of a reliable translator?
I don't know him. I don't know what he's done in the past. I don't have any reason to trust him over Nintendo. I know lots of people on the iinternet have their own agendas in regards to pushing smash speculation where they want it and trolling people. Why should I trust him over any other rando fake leaker.
 
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