So, it seems that the word is out....

Sgt. Baker · Mar 4, 2009

And not a good word lol

I stumbled upon the Falco boards and apparently they made a topic discussing how you can act after the last hit of our Up B, Dark Dive. And what can Falco do? D-Air spike us

So crap, now people are starting to know about their little "free hit" on us.

Ussi · Mar 4, 2009

so how many frames do people have to hit Ganon with a "backfire" move?

thexsunrosered · Mar 4, 2009

can't we just delete all knowledge of this? you know what, i actually don't even recall what it is im talking about... >.<

TP · Mar 4, 2009

It had to happen eventually...

thexsunrosered · Mar 4, 2009

hey twilight prince, are you the same person as twilight swift on gamefaqs?

Divilenta · Mar 5, 2009

It all started with the Falcon boards...

Show a little respect for teh Ganon. Don't exploit this. He has enough trouble already.

Lex Crunch · Mar 5, 2009

I can only imagine that this is bad if you happen to accidentally hit someone with the grab portion of Dark Dive after going past the ledge in a recovery. Just don't do it; Dark Dive is a poopy attack, too, so why use it outside of recovery? Are you suggesting that Falco's are going to intentionally get hit by the grab portion and then use Down Air to get an easy kill? Because that sounds a bit far fetched.

Endless Nightmares · Mar 5, 2009

Sheesh, as if Ganon weren't already ****ed before this -__-

now I can't even **** people in the face without getting hit. Just like in real life >=O

TP · Mar 5, 2009

thexsunrosered said:
hey twilight prince, are you the same person as twilight swift on gamefaqs?

No. I'm not on GameFAQS.

Someone might as well compile a list of what characters can do to Ganon at this point.

Squirrely · Mar 5, 2009

I don't see why people are so worried about this.

90% of the time I get someone with Dark Dive, they get stage spiked.

It seems goofy to me that people would try to take 11% damage or whatever and risk getting stage spiked for a chance to hit ganon with an aerial when they could more readily a) ledgehog or b) spike.

Anyone can ledgehog ganon with ease.

Z1GMA · Mar 5, 2009

You have to fight Ganon A LOT to get this down in your mind, so that you perform it consitently.
And yea, Squirrely; stage spike can really own them if they're close to the stage when grabbed, since they can't buffer their attack after the Dark dive.

DKKountry · Mar 5, 2009

I've known about this for a while, but just realized I have never heard much about it on Smashboards. Were you guys actually putting any effort into keeping this hushed or was it just not mentioned much? Just curious.

Z1GMA · Mar 5, 2009

DKKountry said:
or was it just not mentioned much?

^This . . .

Ray_Kalm · Mar 5, 2009

I'm glad this happened, and there's nothing wrong about this happening anyways. This will only get people to start believing that Ganon is the worst character in Brawl.

B!squick · Mar 5, 2009

Oooooo, looks like I stumbled onto something juicy!

Lol, I feel like I'm reading Ganondorf's diary. XD

fromundaman · Mar 5, 2009

Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff..........................................................................................................................................................UCK!

Good thing I use Kirby/Mario for Falco...
*Sigh* now I can't even MM cocky Falcos with Ganon (wait, I never could... Nevermind!)

Koskinator · Mar 5, 2009

I know it seems really bad guys, but its not THAT bad. I mean, who's gonna use Ganondorf against a Falco anyway?

Sgt. Baker · Mar 5, 2009

Lol, I used to use him for nubby players.

I know it's not the end of the world against Falco, but what if now the other boards start discovering other moves they can use against Da Dorf now? Now again though, I say only use Dark Dive when necessary anyway lol

B!squick · Mar 5, 2009

Sgt. Baker said:
Lol, I used to use him for nubby players.

I know it's not the end of the world against Falco, but what if now the other boards start discovering other moves they can use against Da Dorf now? Now again though, I say only use Dark Dive when necessary anyway lol

Other moves? Do tell. :3

thexsunrosered · Mar 5, 2009

Z1GMA said:
You have to fight Ganon A LOT to get this down in your mind, so that you perform it consitently.

people who main ganon or even secondary ganon will probably be the best at this. i mean, i main ganon and falco, and i know if a ganon up-bs me under the stage he's going down first -.-

Schwaumlaut · Mar 5, 2009

Lex Crunch said:
Are you suggesting that Falco's are going to intentionally get hit by the grab portion and then use Down Air to get an easy kill? Because that sounds a bit far fetched.

The post introducing this to the Falco boards included a CG -> death combo on Ganon which featured exactly that.

Kishin · Mar 5, 2009

I have sympathy for you Ganons...

ZenJestr · Mar 5, 2009

I see you don't main Ike...

Z1GMA · Mar 6, 2009

Sgt. Baker said:
what if now the other boards start discovering other moves they can use against Da Dorf now?

Maybe some good things can come out of this..
A weak attack with bad hitstun would just reset Ganon after his Dark dive, which (could) lead into some crazy stuff for Ganon.
Well... most likely not, but it MAY be possible in some scenarios..

( Always look at the bright side of the dark world~ )

Endless Nightmares · Mar 6, 2009

Z1GMA said:
A weak attack with bad hitstun would just reset Ganon after his Dark dive, which (could) lead into some crazy stuff for Ganon.

Well, maybe you could counter-attack with a nair or uair...if you can then it's not so bad

fromundaman · Mar 6, 2009

You could probably counter with a quick suicide choke if Mario, or maybe even Kirby, were to hit with a Uair.

PK-ow! · Mar 6, 2009

The fact that our attack has *no* hitstun, but the illusion of being useful, makes me wonder about this.

Is it another programming bug? Did they forget to put in a value? Does the program look for a data value in the wrong place, or have a runtime exception?

Very very mysterious.

If it's not a bug, my relentless charity towards Sakurai - which he totally does not deserve - makes me think there may be some property of Dark Dive we too may be ignoring. That is, somehow, this perfidy of hitstun features in something we can do, on executing the move.

I don't know what though.

We should try spamming buttons during the Dive, see what happens. I'll test in a few weeks.

Sgt. Baker · Mar 6, 2009

JayDeth said:
Other moves? Do tell. :3

I don't think the Ganon boards no of any guranteed follow-ups to our folly of Dark Dive....yet lol

PK-ow! said:
We should try spamming buttons during the Dive, see what happens. I'll test in a few weeks.

Hmmm, I actually like that idea. Seems crazy, but I like it.

B!squick · Mar 6, 2009

I'll help too. I want to start playing Ganon more anyway since I finally got AC DAir down (Thunderstorming?). Maybe someday I'll even be able to do the Double Reverse Murder Fist (forgot the "official" name) off stage, the coolest looking recovery in the game.

Budget Player Cadet_ · Mar 6, 2009

You people use Up-B for aggressive purposes? Why? Come on, it isn't such a huge deal. Adapt around the flaw.

Endless Nightmares · Mar 6, 2009

We use Up-B to recover -_- lol

TP · Mar 6, 2009

Budget Player Cadet_ said:
You people use Up-B for aggressive purposes? Why? Come on, it isn't such a huge deal. Adapt around the flaw.

Thanks for telling us how to use our own character.

Z1GMA · Mar 7, 2009

PK-ow! said:
If it's not a bug, my relentless charity towards Sakurai - which he totally does not deserve - makes me think there may be some property of Dark Dive we too may be ignoring. That is, somehow, this perfidy of hitstun features in something we can do, on executing the move.

Yea, just imagine if Ganon could Uair right after the Dark dive.. lol that would be too good ^^

PK-ow! · Mar 7, 2009

Z1GMA said:
Yea, just imagine if Ganon could Uair right after the Dark dive.. lol that would be too good ^^

I was thinking more fastfall -> fair.

On recovery, that's stage spiked Skull Crush Punch.

Or.. in short... SKULL SPIKE CRUSH

Ganon is **** awesome.

Squirrely · Mar 7, 2009

I can't imagine Ganondorf ever recovering from a fast falled f-air offstage.

:034: · Mar 7, 2009

Squirrely said:
I can't imagine Ganondorf ever recovering from a fast falled f-air offstage.

So? It doesn't matter if you die, so long as you die awesomely

(example: IKM2)

Kishin · Mar 7, 2009

ZenJestr said:
I see you don't main Ike...

Actually I do, but I secondary Ganon.

Sgt. Baker · Mar 7, 2009

Flying Dutchman said:
So? It doesn't matter if you die, so long as you die awesomely

(example: IKM2)

Haha Yes! I always love dying in style :laugh:

So, it seems that the word is out....

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