So I guess ICs are "S Tier" now :) / :( ?

[Smoom77]

..............

 

[DeLux]

Now everyone knows what it's like to be me

Spoiler

Except for Derek

 

[Hylian]

Lol my set with MMM's DDD got uploaded already from yesterday. This was the first set I used all IC's in and the closest set I've ever had with a DDD.

Beware...LOTs of dumb things happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmu2TXGT76U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihbHnvfjHDs <--- ending of this game omg (also 4:20 is hard nana combo video..I was in no way pressing down)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dndXPCe3bc

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Earlier fighting my brother, I tried to recover. Nana was running to save me when she stopped and literaly dashdanced until I died, then jumped.
Screw nana. I can't even dash dance

 

[B0NK]

(also 4:20 is hard nana combo video..I was in no way pressing down)

lol glad I'm not the only one this happens to xD

At first I thought it was caused by me walking slightly towards the edge... but i never found it to be consistent >.>

Usually I find the best solution is to run and grab the ledge, she'll still drop but then you get the option to either b-air if the opponent threatens her, or try and "bungie jump" up-b the ledge (looks whack since nana isn't near you and just magically teleports for your "bungie jump" up-b momentum... if that makes sense >.>) Sometimes the up-b works and grabs the ledge... sometimes it doesn't... welp =/

Also if your opponent grabs the ledge from you as you try to up-b, it puts you and nana in a safer position as they are in ledge grab lag (unless they're like, pikachu or a tether grab). Still desynch though =/

Earlier fighting my brother, I tried to recover. Nana was running to save me when she stopped and literaly dashdanced until I died, then jumped.
Screw nana. I can't even dash dance

This happens when you are too far below the ledge for nana to sync to an up-b, but also directly below so she just doesn't know how to run through the stage (and instead, dash dances).

Worst is that sometimes when your not directly below her... she'll just grab the ledge, then choose jump since your desynch >.> (can't ever get her to ledge drop... only use get up options in the situation... which means your dead =/)

Rule of thumb, don't trust nana to come and save you when your offstage and she is onstage lol, just rely on Sopo recovery tactics. (She's not as bad as melee... just standing there doing nothing... but if your below the ledge height she just doesn't like to jump off >.<).

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

You know what's extremely rewarding?

Watching people ban on your CP, thinking you're going to CP them to a DDD stage and then watching them go "Oh ****" as I decide to ICs/FD them for a free win. :D

I've been doing that for the last few tournaments because people thought I still couldn't CG in tournament. They were wrong

 

[Roller]

WHaT THE WHY ARE YOU DREAMING ABOUT ME?!??

What's it matter? You sucked anyway.

Did nopony else pick up on Mr. G&W's wordchoice here?

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I did I just didnt want to the one who pointed it out. lol

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I almost pointed it out, actually.
I was gonna say "and in more ways than one"
but oh wells

 

[DeLux]

Lol my set with MMM's DDD got uploaded already from yesterday. This was the first set I used all IC's in and the closest set I've ever had with a DDD.

Beware...LOTs of dumb things happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmu2TXGT76U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihbHnvfjHDs <--- ending of this game omg (also 4:20 is hard nana combo video..I was in no way pressing down)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dndXPCe3bc

Shall I add it to the Lonely Hearts Club Thread?

 

[Mr. game and watch]

All of those videos still impress me.
Stfu hylian your a beast.

 

[Sieguest]

Six people viewing the board... four people viewing this thread.

Most I've ever seen at one time. lol

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

My Nana..she' so smart in friendlies. Like against my friend whenever he successfully separates us and gets her alone, he'll charge a smash and instead of running into it she jumps over him lol He gets so salty.

In tournament though...she gets performance anxiety and tries to go commando on opponents by herself while I pathetically Belay by myself lol. Or she'll just ran off for no reason and SD.

I need to train her better for tournament.

 

[Sieguest]

My Nana solo dthrow CG'd an opponent once (she got three regrabs). I lol'd so hard. She also like, revenge kills my opponents too lmao.

It's my hope these traits will carry over to tourney...

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

This thread has turned into "My Nana does the darndest things" again lol

Also my Nana gets revenge F-Smash kills on a regular basis. Its so funny.

I'd say out of 10 points mine gets a 7.5.. She does epic **** and even mindgames people but she causes me to SD at the worst possible time in tournament.



inb4yonanajokes

 

[DeLux]

Take this Nana talk to the combo video thread before the mod starts handing out infractions

 

[Mr. game and watch]

My nana only does ice block when I die.
B*tch

 

[Sieguest]

Take this Nana talk to the combo video thread before the mod starts handing out infractions

But this is the social... the IC social...

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Why does wario own us so hard?
My brother usually 2 or 3 stocks me.
Alot of the time I get him to the last stock, but VERY rarely win.

 

[Blissard]

Why does wario own us so hard?
My brother usually 2 or 3 stocks me.
Alot of the time I get him to the last stock, but VERY rarely win.

He doesn't. The MU is pretty even imo.

Also, if he usually 2-3 stocks you, then how do you also usually get him to last stock?

EDIT: OMG MY CHEESE-KUN IS SOOOO CUTE!!! YESH HE ISS!!! ^.^

 

[Roller]

Why does wario own us so hard?
My brother usually 2 or 3 stocks me.
Alot of the time I get him to the last stock, but VERY rarely win.

Maybe your bro can give Tech some advice on the mu.

 

[DeLux]

Wario is such a horrible matchup

I'm bad at the Wario matchup. Sorry I can't help Mr. Game and Watch

 

[Mr. game and watch]

He doesn't. The MU is pretty even imo.

Also, if he usually 2-3 stocks you, then how do you also usually get him to last stock? [/IMG]

I said alot of the time, not usually. But I happens. It's hard to land grabs on him, he plays real campy. And warios added to their meta game slightly. In their MU with us they keep tires bouncing the whole match and if we start cging we hit tires.

 

[Roller]

lrn2pivotgrab.

 

[Zync]

I need serious help vs D3 lol, Hospes ill try logging on on skype to see if ya can help me :3

Is it okay to not try to grab him at all and just desynch **** him?

 

[DeLux]

I'm bad at the DDD matchup. Sorry I can't help you



ALSO: Instead of tagging as "DeLux", I'm going to tag as "PChip" from now on. So when I trip during CGs, I can rightfully scream at the tv, "DON'T TRIP POTATO CHIP!!!!!!"

end of story

 

[Mr. game and watch]

ALSO: Instead of tagging as "DeLux", I'm going to tag as "PChip" from now on. So when I trip during CGs, I can rightfully scream at the tv, "DON'T TRIP POTATO CHIP!!!!!!"

end of story

<3 this.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

@Roller: **** you. lol

And D3 vs ICs is terrible for D3. The only way we win is if we somehow get past the Blizzard walls and separate them.D3s grab definitely helps this. But approaching is so hard for D3. Blizzard beats pretty much everything we have if spaced at maximum distance.IBs can force an approach because our only means of camping (waddle dee toss) is pretty much useless. ICs Upair beat D3s down air...its dumb lol. Like I said D3 only wins if he finds a way in, separates them and doesnt let them sync up again. Its extremely hard though.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I like d3. Only heavy character I'll use. Tho I try and try, I cannot buffer. Bleh.

 

[Rubberbandman]

@Roller: **** you. lol

And D3 vs ICs is terrible for D3. The only way we win is if we somehow get past the Blizzard walls and separate them.D3s grab definitely helps this. But approaching is so hard for D3. Blizzard beats pretty much everything we have if spaced at maximum distance.IBs can force an approach because our only means of camping (waddle dee toss) is pretty much useless. ICs Upair beat D3s down air...its dumb lol. Like I said D3 only wins if he finds a way in, separates them and doesnt let them sync up again. Its extremely hard though.

His Dair beats out UpAir though.

Just blizzard and ice block camp all day, wait for a **** up and finish it. If you read a Dair you can throw out Belay to tag him. Same for His UpB.

Wario = Pivot grab every aerial; If he Dairs, you can use Utilt if you're smart enough. Don't worry about approaching or grabbing in the MU, just worry about hitting him more since we outrange him.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

But warios moves have little startup and ending lag, except his smashs and dair.
I mean my brother plays really campy.
Matches last 6 minutes at FD. He's like spotdodge spotdodge spotdoge fair spotdodge land jump repeat. Then lands and uses his fsmash which has super armor, and as i'm dying or recovering pulls out a bike and gets tire going.
All of my desyncs get fsmashed because of the super armor, and I might go a whole match landing one grab, and drop it before nana even touches him :/
and I pivot grab all the time.

 

[Sieguest]

Stop getting baited. You should be in no rush to hit Wario, it's not like he can do anything to you when he eventually does get close.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

My icies are waay too Agro. Ice block is probably my least purposely use move next to utilt.

 

[DeLux]

But warios moves have little startup and ending lag, except his smashs and dair.
I mean my brother plays really campy.
Matches last 6 minutes at FD. He's like spotdodge spotdodge spotdoge fair spotdodge land jump repeat. Then lands and uses his fsmash which has super armor, and as i'm dying or recovering pulls out a bike and gets tire going.
All of my desyncs get fsmashed because of the super armor, and I might go a whole match landing one grab, and drop it before nana even touches him :/
and I pivot grab all the time.

Bolded is where your problem is.

It should be Spot dodge > Spot dodge > Grabbed

 

[Mr. game and watch]

iirc He has the second longest spot dodge frames in the cast, second to MK.
There's a very small window to land that grab, even with a pivot.
I'm just gonna record some vids of me and him playing and let y'all critique it.

 

[Roller]

Actually, longer spotdodge frames makes it easier to react to->punish. It's the frames between when one spotdodge ends and another begins that are really important. You can also just jab to punish him instead of going for the grab. He'll stop doing it eventually.

Also. If you are pivotgrabbing and not getting grabs then you are doing it wrong. You can grab him out of literally any/all of his attacks.

 

[DeLux]

Oh, I didn't read past the spot dodge part. There's absolutely no reason why your desyncs should be getting fsmashed.

If you're using an aggressive desync option and get hit, use a neutral desync option.

If you're using a neutral desync option and get hit, use a defensive desync option.

If you're using a defensive desync option and get hit, don't desync at all.

 

[Sieguest]

Bolded is where your problem is.

It should be Spot dodge > Spot dodge > Grabbed

... Lux... you forgot the "/" on the other end of the bold code. lol

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Idk... Thanks for the help tho guys, I'll post a vid.
I could use some serious critique

 

[Blissard]

Nice avy Hospes I don't find many other Eternal Sonata enthusiasts.

If he's camping, then shoot desynced Ice Blocks at him or Ice Block & Blizzard. Wario's Fsmash has only 3 frames of super armor iirc (9-11), but even so, you can just bait the Fsmash then punish it.