SNK's Beautiful Ninjutsu Warrior - Mai Shiranui Support Thread (Officially too lewd for Smash)

[Hedgehugs]

I`m so hurt by this that i`m actually sobbing right now & i never felt this way about a video game character before but Mai really has touched me now....i just need time to reflect on my feelings.

im so sorry your character got deconfirmed for not being appropriate for 'good boys and girls'. must really suck.

idk if it helps but maybe she'll get lucky like ridley and somehow get in a future installment?? who knows.

anyway, im surprised bayo even got in considering the nature of her own game. sorta made me think mai had a chance if bayo is in the game but eh

 

[Deleted member]

Mai Shiranui is the new Ridley of post-Ultimate Smash.

10 years later she finally gets added just watch.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Mai Shiranui is the new Ridley of post-Ultimate Smash.

10 years later she finally gets added just watch.

It took Ridley's fans 17 years to gain enough support to get him in and he happened because of the Smash Ballot, which is a miracle in itself. So 10 years time might not be enough if Mai gains popularity. But let's see how things go down first.

 

[Russell_SSB]

Super Smash Bros. is for good boys & girls.

Sure, they let THAT stuff come in, but not other sexy material, which I'm more than okay with? Sure, it's a game for EVERYONE, but why, Sakurai, WHY?!?

 

[~The Koopa King~]

i think this hurts a lot because for KOF Fans she's just as iconic as terry and to not even have her as a cameo on the KOF Stage makes it feel like something's missing

 

[Deleted member]

i think this hurts a lot because for KOF Fans she's just as iconic as terry and to not even have her as a cameo on the KOF Stage makes it feel like something's missing

Street Fighter fans got Chun Li as two spirits. Mai didn't get any.

This your idea of fair?

 

[~The Koopa King~]

it isn't fair and i know sakurai agrees because an old smash 4 interview(that someone tweeted a screencap from not that long ago)states how Smash Wii-U Was almost delayed because of Palutena's skirt and that's it....they were having a meltdown over palutena's skirt and how it was deemed too naughty for children to see....

so this makes me think CERO Told Sakurai "Look Either you cover up Mai or she can't be in at all even as a small two bit cameo" and sakurai decided to not include her because if she can't be seen as the way she's normally depicted then it's not a celebration of the characters

it's just A Watered down version that takes a dump all over KOF and it's fan base

 

[Deleted member]

it isn't fair and i know sakurai agrees because an old smash 4 interview(that someone tweeted a screencap from not that long ago)states how Smash Wii-U Was almost delayed because of Palutena's skirt and that's it....they were having a meltdown over palutena's skirt and how it was deemed too naughty for children to see....

so this makes me think CERO Told Sakurai "Look Either you cover up Mai or she can't be in at all even as a small two bit cameo" and sakurai decided to not include at her because if she can't be seen as the way she's normally depicted then it's not a celebration of the characters

it's just A Watered down version that takes a dump all over KOF and it's fan base

That's pretty much jarring to look at.

 

[~The Koopa King~]

it really is....but as long as Smash is An E For Everyone game...boobies are a menace to society!

i don't remember where i heard or read this but i remember someone saying "if you try to cater to everyone then you appeal to no one"

 

[Deleted member]

"if you try to cater to everyone then you appeal to no one"

Is this what you're looking for?
https://www.marketing-mojo.com/blog/appeal-to-everyone-and-youll-appeal-to-no-one/

 

[~The Koopa King~]

Is this what you're looking for?
https://www.marketing-mojo.com/blog/appeal-to-everyone-and-youll-appeal-to-no-one/

nah i think it was just some random youtuber that brought up a similar point....it's one i bring up because when you are seen as the game celebrating the history of fighting games in one big fighting game beatdown

there's of course gonna be iconic characters left out or even not even considered because they can't fit in a family friendly game and that's honestly sad when you think about it....

 

[Deleted member]

nah i think it was just some random youtuber that brought up a similar point....it's one i bring up because when you are seen as the game celebrating the history of fighting games in one big fighting game beatdown

there's of course gonna be iconic characters left out or even not even considered because they can't fit in a family friendly game and that's honestly sad when you think about it....

Or even a whole gender group, in my case.

 

[~The Koopa King~]

i think this is a problem that comes with nintendo being the family friendly childish company so smash brothers can't really risk destroying that image

yet at the same time when smash brothers has gone from being a fighting game exclusively comprised of nintendo characters to being A Celebration of the entire gaming industry

you can't continue being childish unless you wanna outright many iconic characters from being added simply because They aren't Kid Friendly nor can they be modified to be G-Rated

 

[SS2000]

as long as Smash is An E For Everyone game...boobies are a menace to society!

Actually, boobies are fine; it's panties that are a menace to society! lol Think about the thing that always gets targeted on females... the thigh holes on female Corrin... Mythra's spirit getting black tights despite just being a spirit while Pyra's spirit was just fine... It is all because of the standards of the japanese rating system. If the game is to be rated CERO (for everybody in Japan) then the very first and most important standard the game must follow is that there is absolutely no sign or hint of female panties being potentially visible. Quite a different set of priorities from other places rating systems where things like violence/weapons would be the first thing they look for, huh? The only way to get Mai in would have been to give her shorts/pants as proof her panties aren't exposed, but then people would riot!

 

[kool2419]

im so sorry your character got deconfirmed for not being appropriate for 'good boys and girls'. must really suck.

idk if it helps but maybe she'll get lucky like ridley and somehow get in a future installment?? who knows.

anyway, im surprised bayo even got in considering the nature of her own game. sorta made me think mai had a chance if bayo is in the game but eh

Well...thanks for that. I don`t see why if Bayonetta can get into Smash then so could Mai, but maybe she`ll get her chance one day.

 

[MrGameguycolor]

it isn't fair and i know sakurai agrees because an old smash 4 interview(that someone tweeted a screencap from not that long ago)states how Smash Wii-U Was almost delayed because of Palutena's skirt and that's it....they were having a meltdown over palutena'

Link for reference.

My guess is that Sakurai just didn't want to bother with that nonsense again and took the easy way out...

Honestly, while I'm sure Mai is a cool character and people like her for more reasons then just her looks.
I won't lose sleep over it.

 

[~The Koopa King~]

yeah that's most likely the case....but it does make me think more about how america is no better with how they view ultra violence compared to how they view sexy women in skimpy outfits

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Remember when the US freaked out over a cheesy B-movie game with no blood, to the point where it was a deciding factor in creating the ERSB (alongside the more obviously violent Mortal Kombat)?

Says a lot about conservatism, really.

 

[SSBCandidates]

Both the extreme left and right are just as bad.

To date I feel, why did Sakurai even addressed the Mai issue on the stream, than in a side interview in a magazine or website? He usually does that for things which should be left as footnotes.

Not that I ever expected her to be playable; but if just a background character or a spirit they could easily just go for her original outfit which is not as revealing as the later ones.

Maybe not directly related but I also wonder, why a KOF stage and not a FFury specific one?

 

[Herocin]

I'd be lying if I say that I ever thought Mai had a chance to get in Smash as a fighter. However, I never expected Sakurai absolutely obliterating her as a character, denying her appearance as a cameo, mii costume or spirit. You all have my condolences. Here's a little something for you guys.
It's not much, but better than nothing, I suppose.

Spoiler

Gamexplain made a video on your stage. Really good stage too and am sure it's very appreciated. Maybe Sakurai himself will comment on it like I think he did with a Chrono Trigger one back in March or May between lol. (Watch it actually happen)

 

[Sebas22]

Gamexplain made a video on your stage. Really good stage too and am sure it's very appreciated. Maybe Sakurai himself will comment on it like I think he did with a Chrono Trigger one back in March or May between lol. (Watch it actually happen)

Woah woah woah! Wait, is this real??? Be right back!

Edit: Wow! That was really unexpected! I used to watch most GameXplain videos, but I stopped a few weeks. (Didn't want to watch anything Luigi Mansion 3 related lol)

 

[Herocin]

Woah woah woah! Wait, is this real??? Be right back!

Edit: Wow! That was really unexpected! I used to watch most GameXplain videos, but I stopped a few weeks. (Didn't want to watch anything Luigi Mansion 3 related lol)

Yep it is real. Nice stage. All the likes and Jon and I suspect the rest of Gamexplain think so too

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Both the extreme left and right are just as bad.

To date I feel, why did Sakurai even addressed the Mai issue on the stream, than in a side interview in a magazine or website? He usually does that for things which should be left as footnotes.

Not that I ever expected her to be playable; but if just a background character or a spirit they could easily just go for her original outfit which is not as revealing as the later ones.

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Maybe not directly related but I also wonder, why a KOF stage and not a FFury specific one?

Her fans would have found out that something was amiss sooner or later, and she IS popular. To the Smash staff, the most iconic look is usually important, so it's hard to get around this one without some fans complaining about a design change. So it's pretty much a losing battle no matter what unless CERO gets lax enough to adjust their A-rating standards.

Also, for the KOF stage; Terry is just as much a part of the KOF universe as he is for Fatal Fury. Well, that, and KOF is the fighting series that SNK fans remember most anyway.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

Maybe not directly related but I also wonder, why a KOF stage and not a FFury specific one?

"King of Fighters" is the name of the tournament that the Fatal Fury games focus on, so the stadium can work for both.

The tournament's name was just later re-used as the title of the crossover series as well.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Well, this escalated quickly.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...omments_and_put_fatal_furys_mai_into_the_game

 

[MajoraMan28]

Well, this escalated quickly.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...omments_and_put_fatal_furys_mai_into_the_game

I'm telling you, she will be a popular request from now on.
And I'll be frank. Her absence in Ultimate is absolute bs.
They had numerous ways to circumvent this, and we already have content in Smash that is even more mature than what people were thinking she would have in the game. And it's on Nintendo for wanting to keep the game A, instead of letting it go B like their other franchises' mainline games

 

[Deleted member]

Well, this escalated quickly.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...omments_and_put_fatal_furys_mai_into_the_game

Told you all that she's gonna be the next Ridley.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I'm telling you, she will be a popular request from now on.
And I'll be frank. Her absence in Ultimate is absolute bs.
They had numerous ways to circumvent this, and we already have content in Smash that is even more mature than what people were thinking she would have in the game. And it's on Nintendo for wanting to keep the game A, instead of letting it go B like their other franchises' mainline games

CERO was paranoid about her undies being seen from *anywhere*, and the classic design for stuff is generally what's being aimed for. It'll be real difficult to circumvent around this one even if there are a bunch of costume alternatives. Next I suppose they won't want to see anyone wear anything shorter than pants...

 

[BlackInk]

Her exclusion from smash ironically gives her more chances to become a smash fighter.

 

[Deleted member]

Her exclusion from smash ironically gives her more chances to become a smash fighter.

Just wait 18 more years...;-)

 

[MajoraMan28]

CERO was paranoid about her undies being seen from *anywhere*, and the classic design for stuff is generally what's being aimed for. It'll be real difficult to circumvent around this one even if there are a bunch of costume alternatives. Next I suppose they won't want to see anyone wear anything shorter than pants...

Tell that to Cammy's crotch in the Spirit board, ZSS's sport bra and short shorts, and Palutena's panty shot. Or ZSS's skin-tight suit or Bayonetta's entire suggestive nature.
We now have an actual gun in the game, but OH LORD IF WE HAVE FEMALE SKIN. Of course, that would be the case, if they didn't have the double standards, as evidenced above.
Truth is, this might be a push for CERO to get their crap together and not be so uptight. Be how they were back in the Melee and Brawl days.
And also, maybe instead just ask Nintendo to let it be a B rated game instead, you know.

But remember, she wouldn't need to have jiggles. A cameo does not need to replicate a fighter idle animation. And we already have art of Mai that is tamer than spirits we already have in the game. The fact is, this was a fiasco.

 

[Russell_SSB]

Well, this escalated quickly.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...omments_and_put_fatal_furys_mai_into_the_game

Can't blame them! He oughta know it's more than a game for good boys and girls.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

Told you all that she's gonna be the next Ridley.

Too big!

Tell that to Cammy's crotch in the Spirit board, ZSS's sport bra and short shorts, and Palutena's panty shot. Or ZSS's skin-tight suit or Bayonetta's entire suggestive nature.
We now have an actual gun in the game, but OH LORD IF WE HAVE FEMALE SKIN. Of course, that would be the case, if they didn't have the double standards, as evidenced above.
Truth is, this might be a push for CERO to get their crap together and not be so uptight. Be how they were back in the Melee and Brawl days.
And also, maybe instead just ask Nintendo to let it be a B rated game instead, you know.

Palutena apparently sits at the point where the line was drawn. Since it took multiple submissions in the prior game with increased coverage to get to the point CERO was OK with her. So there's that...

Also, I'd seen someone mention that certain parties may have a requirement that Smash maintain a specific CERO rating to use their IP, and thinking on it, I could see TPC pulling that. Wild speculation without anything to back it up at this point, but has any game featuring Pokemon ever gotten anything above an A? It would be frustrating if this is the case, but at least it would be an answer. ;-/

 

[Mamboo07]

You know if I put Mai in Smash as a fighter, i would have her wear this.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

You know if I put Mai in Smash as a fighter, i would have her wear this.
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I seen the original Tweet. It is a good design.

Some were very torn about this. Arguing that it takes away from her character and completely butchers it. Others say that it is not all too bad and almost as cute as the original look.

Who knows what most would think of this being her Smash original design.

 

[PsychoJosh]

Smash kids need to experience the joy of Mai's big ninja B's.

count me in.

 

[kool2419]

You know if I put Mai in Smash as a fighter, i would have her wear this.
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Y`know that`s not a very bad look on Mai at all. If she does gets in i`ll be 100% okay with her wearing this.

 

[Mamboo07]

Good thing Sakurai is covering my pink baby boy's eyes of wanting him to see stuff like this.

 

[Russell_SSB]

You know if I put Mai in Smash as a fighter, i would have her wear this.
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As much as I would miss the boobs, but I'm okay with this.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Just gotta leave this out here...

It seems all well and good to label her the next Ridley, but here-in lies the problem; 1) Mai is a third-party, which is less easily accessible than the first-party Ridley, and 2) we still don't know if any third-party series will get a second unique newcomer this time, especially since can never seem to get any.