Mastermiine
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Mr. Game and Watch is next.
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I think you should include every suggestion. What makes sense or not is subjective.So, I like to take all suggestions and make sure people don't feel left out. Do you guys want me to start leaving some out of the ones that for sure won't make sense?
I don't play mother and they were both sugessted. I did not do background checks on them so I put them both up.Aren't Geigue and Mother 1 Giygas the same exact thing?
Yes they are. Giegue is an alternative translation of Giygas' name. (The correct name is actually Giegue, Geigue is written wrong)Aren't Geigue and Mother 1 Giygas the same exact thing?
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bump new day!
Mr. Game and Watch is next.
If that's the case, then I would recommend combining the totals that they both get. Regardless of which button they happen to press, they're thinking of the same character (And the same form of that character), and as arbitrary as it is, it would be a disservice to declare, say, Shadow Mewtwo (who's currently "1st place" with 12 Votes) the "Winner", when the votes for Giegue/Mother 1 Giygas are split up amongst two slots (When combined, Giegue/Giygas is currently "winning" with 18 Votes).I don't play mother and they were both sugessted. I did not do background checks on them so I put them both up.
How would Nihilego even work?
I think this one's coming from me. Mostly I was trying to think of a Pokemon who would 1) Be likely to make it in, 2) Had a vague body shape that maybe could be placed on top of Mewtwo, and 3) Maybe had some kind of energy attack? Was I grasping when I suggested it? Yes. Do I know that much about Nihilego? No. Do I like the design of Nihilego and think it'd make an interesting addition to Smash? Yes!...Nihelego? You mean with Lusamine inside it? I really can't see this being an Echo, so I voted Shadow Mewtwo.
If we have to change every single special move of a fighter, I don't think we can call it even an Echo any more. This becomes more of a Mario/Dr. Mario than a Marth/LucinaI think this one's coming from me. Mostly I was trying to think of a Pokemon who would 1) Be likely to make it in, 2) Had a vague body shape that maybe could be placed on top of Mewtwo, and 3) Maybe had some kind of energy attack? Was I grasping when I suggested it? Yes. Do I know that much about Nihilego? No. Do I like the design of Nihilego and think it'd make an interesting addition to Smash? Yes!
In fact... It's Moveset time!
So with most of the grabs, arials, tilts, etc. most of Mewtwo's moves can still be used, just instead of the moves being "infused with dark energy", they'd be infused with poison. Dark energy is purple, poison is purple, they're practically the same thing!
Let's look into the specials:
Neutral Special*: Mewtwo's is Shadow Ball, I'm going to say Nihilego's would be Power Gem. Charge it up, fire off a beam of gem light. Similar enough, if not to Mewtwo's then definitely to plenty of other characters.
Side Special: Mewtwo's is Confusion, Nihilego's could be one of a few. First, Psywave. It'd function similarly by using a psychic attack to lift opponents of act as a shield. If we want to go a bit outside of Mewtwo's confusion animation but would still act in a similar fashion: Constrict or TIckle, Nihilego would use it's tentacles instead of psychic energy to toss fighter around or stop incoming projectiles.
Up Special: Mewtwo's is Teleport. Nihilego could perhaps use Substitute? They're able to learn it through TM so... OK Nihilego doesn't have a good stand in for Teleport, so let's look at some other Up Specials we could take and use (Chrom takes moves from multiple sources, so it's possible for echoes). Let's take... Greninja's Hydro Pump? Instead of shooting out spurts of water, though, Nihilego would use Acid Spray and shoot out spurts of Purple acid. It would function nearly identically, only have a purple re-skin.
Down Special: Mewtwo has Disable. In terms of having a similar in-Pokemon move that could work, Nihilego doesn't have one. However, looking at how Disable works in Smash, Nihilego could use Toxic Spikes. Nihilego's lobe would glow slightly purple and a nearby fighter would be knocked back and surrounded briefly in purple, denoting a toxic spike having been fired at them.
*Other idea for a Neutral special. Again, see the note on Chrom, one echo can take moves accross characters. Nihilego is known for absorbing lifeforms- for taking their power after eating them- almost like... Kirby? What if Nihilego's Neutral special was a re-brand of Kirby's inhale? Nihilego would grab a fighter, absorb them briefly into it's lobe, and would take their Neutral and maybe even have a type of "hat" floating inside of it.
For the Final Smash, there's no way around it we'd have to use either Beast Boost or Venom Drench. However, thanks to Dark Pit we know that echoes can not only have different final smashes, but completely unique final smashes. Beast Boost is the clear choice, however I'm not sure how it'd translate into Smash. Probably surround Nihilego with an aura and have it zoom around onstage, Pikachu like. It's not really what Beast Boost does, but it... sort of works? More translatable is Venom Drench, where Nihilego would spew a bunch of acid and poison on an opponent dealing massive damage.
Is it a perfect echo? No. Is this what Nihilego fans would want? Probably not. But, the echo could exist, it's an option for people to vote on, and we'd get a cool alien jellyfish as a fighter. I count that as a win!
Does Ms. Game & Watch Actually Exist?ok a lot of those mewtwo choices feel a bit random, i voted for mew cause i do love the little guy
as game and watch im not sure the is a viable choice for an echo beyond a hypothetical second character based of the G&W games like a ms game and watch or something
Do you want me to add Paper Mario to the list?Zeraora would work...maybe better for Lucario though. Probably Shadow Mewtwo is best.
GnW I can't think of anyone. Maybe paper Mario, but that's a stretch of gargantuan proportions.
Honestly, add whoever you want. I don't like to vote without having a suggestion for the next one, but I really can't think of anybody for GnW. I'm probably gonna vote "no echo needed" since I can't consider anyone who'd fit reasonably.Do you want me to add Paper Mario to the list?
no but the name mr game and watch was first used in smash so it would have been the same idea, anyway i voted for no viable optionDoes Ms. Game & Watch Actually Exist?
The problem here is that Echoes match the physical build of whoever they're echoing, even if it's multiple characters like Chrom sprouting from Roy and Ike. Nihilego is a giant jellyfish, Mewtwo is in simple terms an anthropomorphic kangaroo. Sure the walking and running/jumping animations should be no problem since it's all levitation, but the silhouettes don't match at all. It has more tentacles than Mewtwo has limbs and its proportions are more exaggerated than his, particularly around the "head".I think this one's coming from me. Mostly I was trying to think of a Pokemon who would 1) Be likely to make it in, 2) Had a vague body shape that maybe could be placed on top of Mewtwo, and 3) Maybe had some kind of energy attack? Was I grasping when I suggested it? Yes. Do I know that much about Nihilego? No. Do I like the design of Nihilego and think it'd make an interesting addition to Smash? Yes!
In fact... It's Moveset time!
So with most of the grabs, arials, tilts, etc. most of Mewtwo's moves can still be used, just instead of the moves being "infused with dark energy", they'd be infused with poison. Dark energy is purple, poison is purple, they're practically the same thing!
Let's look into the specials:
Neutral Special*: Mewtwo's is Shadow Ball, I'm going to say Nihilego's would be Power Gem. Charge it up, fire off a beam of gem light. Similar enough, if not to Mewtwo's then definitely to plenty of other characters.
Side Special: Mewtwo's is Confusion, Nihilego's could be one of a few. First, Psywave. It'd function similarly by using a psychic attack to lift opponents of act as a shield. If we want to go a bit outside of Mewtwo's confusion animation but would still act in a similar fashion: Constrict or TIckle, Nihilego would use it's tentacles instead of psychic energy to toss fighter around or stop incoming projectiles.
Up Special: Mewtwo's is Teleport. Nihilego could perhaps use Substitute? They're able to learn it through TM so... OK Nihilego doesn't have a good stand in for Teleport, so let's look at some other Up Specials we could take and use (Chrom takes moves from multiple sources, so it's possible for echoes). Let's take... Greninja's Hydro Pump? Instead of shooting out spurts of water, though, Nihilego would use Acid Spray and shoot out spurts of Purple acid. It would function nearly identically, only have a purple re-skin.
Down Special: Mewtwo has Disable. In terms of having a similar in-Pokemon move that could work, Nihilego doesn't have one. However, looking at how Disable works in Smash, Nihilego could use Toxic Spikes. Nihilego's lobe would glow slightly purple and a nearby fighter would be knocked back and surrounded briefly in purple, denoting a toxic spike having been fired at them.
*Other idea for a Neutral special. Again, see the note on Chrom, one echo can take moves accross characters. Nihilego is known for absorbing lifeforms- for taking their power after eating them- almost like... Kirby? What if Nihilego's Neutral special was a re-brand of Kirby's inhale? Nihilego would grab a fighter, absorb them briefly into it's lobe, and would take their Neutral and maybe even have a type of "hat" floating inside of it.
For the Final Smash, there's no way around it we'd have to use either Beast Boost or Venom Drench. However, thanks to Dark Pit we know that echoes can not only have different final smashes, but completely unique final smashes. Beast Boost is the clear choice, however I'm not sure how it'd translate into Smash. Probably surround Nihilego with an aura and have it zoom around onstage, Pikachu like. It's not really what Beast Boost does, but it... sort of works? More translatable is Venom Drench, where Nihilego would spew a bunch of acid and poison on an opponent dealing massive damage.
Is it a perfect echo? No. Is this what Nihilego fans would want? Probably not. But, the echo could exist, it's an option for people to vote on, and we'd get a cool alien jellyfish as a fighter. I count that as a win!
I think it'd be cool, people would have to think out of the box to come with EchoesAlso, to plan a head I am thinking of doing Pokemon trainer as one unit and you will have to submit three echo ideas.
Thoughts?
I know that some people may have easy ones for individual pokémon, so it may be easier to consider them separately. Especially if we're gonna think cross-series echoes.Also, to plan a head I am thinking of doing Pokemon trainer as one unit and you will have to submit three echo ideas.
Thoughts?