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Michael the Spikester

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If I had to guess who was left. This is who I predict.

Unique Fighters:
Bandana Dee or Elma (70)
Geno (72)
Incineroar (69)
Isaac (71)

Echo Fighters:
Dixie Kong(36e)
Ken(60e)
Medusa(54e)
Shadow(38e)

Since the Miis and Pokemon Trainer are classified as one that would round out to 80 fighters including echos.
 
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Mewtader

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First off, I'm a chick, second off, I literally don't care about Sora in the slightest. Very mature way of responding to my counter-point, really opens my eyes.
Let's be a bit more respectful next time.
Why don't you care about Sora? It'd be exciting if he were in like the supposed leaks say.
 
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I honestly don't know what to think about some of these rumors. While all these character sound cool and would make me ecstatic...it all seems too good to be true.

We're two months away from release, with the inevitable game preload making character reveal windows even shorter than that. For me personally, I just don't see there being that many characters left. If all these rumors prove true, then that means there are at least four unique newcomers plus Echos left still waiting to be shown off. The big problem is when do you show them? There is most likely a final Smash Direct left, but even with that characters aren't the only things to go over: We still have things like Spirits, online, and Games & More to cover. While I'm neutral on some of the theories about how many characters are left floating around right now, I do think the mindset that there are only about two uniques left is pretty close to what we're gonna get.

Sora and Steve for base game is a little too out there for me, TBH. Both would be GIGANTIC grabs for the game, and I just don't see us having a ton of 3rd party stuff left. Is it possible? Sure, anything is, but I really don't think we should assume these two are in, especially when there's currently no ironclad proof. All Steve has is a "maybe" from Verge and Sora's situation is, in my opinion, 99% likely to be a misunderstanding. 3rd party content is already a huge legal nightmare to begin with, and with the insane amount of 3rd parties we already have, I just don't see us getting a ton more at this point. Sora especially has a lot of hoops to jump through to make it work, and I don't know if Nintendo is gonna be willing to make it work. Steve IMO is probably the more likely of the two, but even then I still kinda doubt it. It's not that I don't think it would work (Steve would actually fit wonderfully in Smash), it's mainly the timing. Minecraft didn't start getting major Nintendo support until the end of the Wii U's life, which could very well hurt it's chances given when this game's project plan was submitted.

Geno...I'm not gonna lie, this feels like a "K. Rool is a lock for Smash DLC" all over again. I've even been thinking he's a lock these past few months, but in all honesty, I'm not sure that's the best approach to take with Geno. Geno has a following, that much is certain, but they are definitely a smaller, niche following. K. Rool has the benefit of being a part of the DKC series, which was huge back in the day and has had a super successful comeback thanks to Retro Studios. Even if K. Rool han't currently made a comeback in the new games, he still has that benefit of being associated with them. Geno is in a bit of a more tricky situation: Yes, Super Mario RPG is popular and considered a classic, but it still is comparatively a niche game, especially when you consider how long it took for it to hit European markets. Another thing too is unless your were really into the game, most people probably aren't gonna remember Geno. A big red flag for me is the fact that his cameo was removed from the recent Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga remake on 3DS, which to me kinda shows Nintendo isn't interested in hashing out the rights with Square (who are known to be super stingy with their property). Don't get me wrong, I would love to be wrong as I know his inclusion would make a lot of folks happy, but TBH I am a little doubtful it's as certain as some believe it to be.

Of course, these are just simply my silly thoughts on the matter. I very well could be wrong and would love to be, as these characters sound amazing and would bring a ton of hype. Hopefully no matter what happens, people can get something that makes them happy. :)
The thing is, there are a wide variety of possibilities these next 2 months may hold in store.

Before the August Direct, many people didn't think we'd get anything Smash related for months, since a lot thought Ridley was one of the few new characters to be shows. Hell, next week we might have another smash direct announcement. The week after? How about 2?

The bigger question to ask is how many directs could be left. Will it be one big direct with the remaining info? Or will we get 2 smaller drops, one in October and one in November?

Additionally, we have no idea how the final direct will play out. Sure, we may get 2-3 more character reveals, but we also could get 8-10 and nobody could predict it, same with the August direct.

Basically expect the worst, hope for the best. I personally believe that Sakurai is not done shocking us yet with this game. The Ultimate title to me could mean more than just bringing back everyone imo.
 

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I honestly don't know what to think about some of these rumors. While all these character sound cool and would make me ecstatic...it all seems too good to be true.

We're two months away from release, with the inevitable game preload making character reveal windows even shorter than that. For me personally, I just don't see there being that many characters left. If all these rumors prove true, then that means there are at least four unique newcomers plus Echos left still waiting to be shown off. The big problem is when do you show them? There is most likely a final Smash Direct left, but even with that characters aren't the only things to go over: We still have things like Spirits, online, and Games & More to cover. While I'm neutral on some of the theories about how many characters are left floating around right now, I do think the mindset that there are only about two uniques left is pretty close to what we're gonna get.

Sora and Steve for base game is a little too out there for me, TBH. Both would be GIGANTIC grabs for the game, and I just don't see us having a ton of 3rd party stuff left. Is it possible? Sure, anything is, but I really don't think we should assume these two are in, especially when there's currently no ironclad proof. All Steve has is a "maybe" from Verge and Sora's situation is, in my opinion, 99% likely to be a misunderstanding. 3rd party content is already a huge legal nightmare to begin with, and with the insane amount of 3rd parties we already have, I just don't see us getting a ton more at this point. Sora especially has a lot of hoops to jump through to make it work, and I don't know if Nintendo is gonna be willing to make it work. Steve IMO is probably the more likely of the two, but even then I still kinda doubt it. It's not that I don't think it would work (Steve would actually fit wonderfully in Smash), it's mainly the timing. Minecraft didn't start getting major Nintendo support until the end of the Wii U's life, which could very well hurt it's chances given when this game's project plan was submitted.

Geno...I'm not gonna lie, this feels like a "K. Rool is a lock for Smash DLC" all over again. I've even been thinking he's a lock these past few months, but in all honesty, I'm not sure that's the best approach to take with Geno. Geno has a following, that much is certain, but they are definitely a smaller, niche following. K. Rool has the benefit of being a part of the DKC series, which was huge back in the day and has had a super successful comeback thanks to Retro Studios. Even if K. Rool han't currently made a comeback in the new games, he still has that benefit of being associated with them. Geno is in a bit of a more tricky situation: Yes, Super Mario RPG is popular and considered a classic, but it still is comparatively a niche game, especially when you consider how long it took for it to hit European markets. Another thing too is unless your were really into the game, most people probably aren't gonna remember Geno. A big red flag for me is the fact that his cameo was removed from the recent Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga remake on 3DS, which to me kinda shows Nintendo isn't interested in hashing out the rights with Square (who are known to be super stingy with their property). Don't get me wrong, I would love to be wrong as I know his inclusion would make a lot of folks happy, but TBH I am a little doubtful it's as certain as some believe it to be.

Of course, these are just simply my silly thoughts on the matter. I very well could be wrong and would love to be, as these characters sound amazing and would bring a ton of hype. Hopefully no matter what happens, people can get something that makes them happy. :)
I wouldn't call Geno's following as small or niche as people seem to believe.
The sheer fan demand for him got him a highlighted Mii Costume. Even resulted in Sakurai stating his own want for the character.

I was scared about the Superstar Saga point too. Here's the issue with that.
There isn't just one big contract they can sign to use Geno whenever they want.
They have to sign a new contract and all that for each and every single new appearance they want Geno to have.
If they already got him for Smash I doubt they'd be concerned over a like, 4 line appearance in a simple remake.

Thoughts on the rest:
I do believe you could show off the modes, all of them, in 15 minutes or less. We will already be familiar with the vast majority, more than likely. Spirits Mode may take 5-10 minutes, but I think we're exaggerating how long it will take to show off modes.

I believe that Steve is incredibly likely simply because I outright refuse to believe they would work with MICROSOFT of all people in exchange for a simple stage and/or Assist Trophy. A character is, objectively, a MUCH, MUCH bigger deal than that.
Now Sora, I'm much more confused about, but I also don't really care about him so it's whatever to me. As long as I get my Geno, lol.
 

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The only leaked fighters I'm really convinced on are...

- Ken
- Incineroar
- Square Enix Fighter (Not Sora)

Steve, while more likely than many may want to admit, is still up in the air regarding leaks, for the most part. And Sora... Sora just seems like getting the rights would be a complete and utter mess. It's clear Sakurai is a great negotiator, but I don't know if he'll stand a chance against Disney. I'm not gonna say for sure that I think Geno is the Square Enix rep, even if I think it's the most likely scenario. Just that I can't see it being Sora. Hey, I could be wrong though.

TL;DR VeggieTales.
 

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I honestly don't know what to think about some of these rumors. While all these character sound cool and would make me ecstatic...it all seems too good to be true.

We're two months away from release, with the inevitable game preload making character reveal windows even shorter than that. For me personally, I just don't see there being that many characters left. If all these rumors prove true, then that means there are at least four unique newcomers plus Echos left still waiting to be shown off. The big problem is when do you show them? There is most likely a final Smash Direct left, but even with that characters aren't the only things to go over: We still have things like Spirits, online, and Games & More to cover. While I'm neutral on some of the theories about how many characters are left floating around right now, I do think the mindset that there are only about two uniques left is pretty close to what we're gonna get.

Sora and Steve for base game is a little too out there for me, TBH. Both would be GIGANTIC grabs for the game, and I just don't see us having a ton of 3rd party stuff left. Is it possible? Sure, anything is, but I really don't think we should assume these two are in, especially when there's currently no ironclad proof. All Steve has is a "maybe" from Verge and Sora's situation is, in my opinion, 99% likely to be a misunderstanding. 3rd party content is already a huge legal nightmare to begin with, and with the insane amount of 3rd parties we already have, I just don't see us getting a ton more at this point. Sora especially has a lot of hoops to jump through to make it work, and I don't know if Nintendo is gonna be willing to make it work. Steve IMO is probably the more likely of the two, but even then I still kinda doubt it. It's not that I don't think it would work (Steve would actually fit wonderfully in Smash), it's mainly the timing. Minecraft didn't start getting major Nintendo support until the end of the Wii U's life, which could very well hurt it's chances given when this game's project plan was submitted.

Geno...I'm not gonna lie, this feels like a "K. Rool is a lock for Smash DLC" all over again. I've even been thinking he's a lock these past few months, but in all honesty, I'm not sure that's the best approach to take with Geno. Geno has a following, that much is certain, but they are definitely a smaller, niche following. K. Rool has the benefit of being a part of the DKC series, which was huge back in the day and has had a super successful comeback thanks to Retro Studios. Even if K. Rool han't currently made a comeback in the new games, he still has that benefit of being associated with them. Geno is in a bit of a more tricky situation: Yes, Super Mario RPG is popular and considered a classic, but it still is comparatively a niche game, especially when you consider how long it took for it to hit European markets. Another thing too is unless your were really into the game, most people probably aren't gonna remember Geno. A big red flag for me is the fact that his cameo was removed from the recent Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga remake on 3DS, which to me kinda shows Nintendo isn't interested in hashing out the rights with Square (who are known to be super stingy with their property). Don't get me wrong, I would love to be wrong as I know his inclusion would make a lot of folks happy, but TBH I am a little doubtful it's as certain as some believe it to be.

Of course, these are just simply my silly thoughts on the matter. I very well could be wrong and would love to be, as these characters sound amazing and would bring a ton of hype. Hopefully no matter what happens, people can get something that makes them happy. :)
You literally explained how I felt.
Thanks you from the bottom of my heart.
 

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Being back for rumor time is fun. I remember being about 1.5 months before launch for Smash 3DS when the Bowser Jr/Duck Hunt information was coming out and we were all amazed. Will be interesting to see what information we can start getting more verified to see what actually is happening this time around. I feel 3-4 newcomers and 3-4 echoes are at minimum coming. But even if no one else got in, Ridley, Inklings and K.Rool covered my wants.
 
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The thing is, there are a wide variety of possibilities these next 2 months may hold in store.

Before the August Direct, many people didn't think we'd get anything Smash related for months, since a lot thought Ridley was one of the few new characters to be shows. Hell, next week we might have another smash direct announcement. The week after? How about 2?

The bigger question to ask is how many directs could be left. Will it be one big direct with the remaining info? Or will we get 2 smaller drops, one in October and one in November?

Additionally, we have no idea how the final direct will play out. Sure, we may get 2-3 more character reveals, but we also could get 8-10 and nobody could predict it, same with the August direct.

Basically expect the worst, hope for the best. I personally believe that Sakurai is not done shocking us yet with this game. The Ultimate title to me could mean more than just bringing back everyone imo.
While I sorta agree, I really don't think there's gonna be more than one more Direct. For one thing, the gap between them would have to be small, as the preload will probably go up around first or second week of November (especially when one considers that download code in the system bundle). Second, why split up the reveals in two events with very little spacing? Nintendo hasn't typically done that in the past. Usually what they do is one, maybe two game focused Directs for their super big name titles and then go quiet before release, and so far that seems to be how Smash is going.

I agree about expecting the worst. As much as people don't like it, Box Theory could be very real. I'm not saying it is, but like the Music Theory, nothing has shut it down yet. We're just gonna have to wait and see, I suppose.
 

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Starting to think we may get a reeeeeaaaalllllyyyy slow trickle of info this time around like in chunks. Were never gonna have another “ESRB leak”, and at this point the only way we’ll get a full roster leak is if someone breaks street date, which will be the second week of November at the earliest.
 

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We're two months away from release, with the inevitable game preload making character reveal windows even shorter than that.
Preload has no effect on these such things. "Things will leak from preload" is an idea that comes up every time a major release is approaching. Nintendo's preloads are encrypted with advanced modern encryption. They have never and will never be broken.
 

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I'm thinking:

Incineroar (leaked)
Geno (Square Enix character leaked and he's still the most likely in my mind)
Steve (leaked)
Bandana Dee (#1 Japanese pick)
wild card first-party (Isaac, Skull Kid, etc)

Ken (leaked)
Shadow (very likely regardless)


However, even this seemingly safe list has a lot of confounders. Seeing Sheik's Final Smash (which wasn't shown off at E3), I can't shake the feeling that Impa is an echo, and seeing all the new details and content that EarthBound has been getting, still makes me somewhat suspicious. I feel like anything can still happen.
 

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Who here still believes were only getting a MineCraft stage and assist at most? I am and I can also see Steve being an stage character.
 
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I'm going to legitimately laugh if it eventually turns out that Vergeben was wrong about Incineroar being playable... because it's actually another Trainer (Kukui, Hau, player character) using Incineroar, Decidueye, and Primarina! It's the type of mistake, like thinking Isabelle might be an Echo, where people would forgive it and it would actually turn out as better news than we were expecting, which I think sounds great.
 
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Preload has no effect on these such things. "Things will leak from preload" is an idea that comes up every time a major release is approaching. Nintendo's preloads are encrypted with advanced modern encryption. They have never and will never be broken.
While I wish that were the case, the entirety of Kirby Star Allies, every character in Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, and a good chunk of Octo Expansion was datamined.

People got the Switch cracked open pretty well. Heck, it only took a day for the NES Online emulator to get hacked and is now easily moddable for homebrewers.
 

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I'll write this one last time... because people can't for their life realize this and overblow the issue when it's already a big one.

Disney Aren't that hellish and are also a company.
They own the Kingdom Hearts Brand but let Square-Enix manage it with the game/Mobile game.


Heck! A kingdom hearts Mobile game developed by Disney was cancelled because apparently Nomura/Square WAS against it!

And I'll add this point.

If ****ing Sega can talk to the Mouse to put Wreck-it Ralph in a Sega only crossover I don't see why Disney would refuse to lend Sora for Smash Bros the biggest crossover in gaming.


Disney and Square are a problem. But people really overblow the issue as if they were the spawn of Satan and had a firm grip on KH.
 

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Starting to think we may get a reeeeeaaaalllllyyyy slow trickle of info this time around like in chunks. Were never gonna have another “ESRB leak”, and at this point the only way we’ll get a full roster leak is if someone breaks street date, which will be the second week of November at the earliest.
We'll... probably have the final smash direct before the base game's release by then anyway.

I don't think there will be 2 Smash directs. I really think the next Smash direct is going to be the big blowout that shows what the rest of the roster will be.
 

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Being back for rumor time is fun. I remember being about 1.5 months before launch for Smash 3DS when the Bowser Jr/Duck Hunt information was coming out and we were all amazed. Will be interesting to see what information we can start getting more verified to see what actually is happening this time around. I feel 3-4 newcomers and 3-4 echoes are at minimum coming. But even if no one else got in, Ridley, Inklings and K.Rool covered my wants.
Hey Dojo. Any predictions as to who those 4 and 4 could be?
 

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I honestly don't know what to think about some of these rumors. While all these character sound cool and would make me ecstatic...it all seems too good to be true.

We're two months away from release, with the inevitable game preload making character reveal windows even shorter than that. For me personally, I just don't see there being that many characters left. If all these rumors prove true, then that means there are at least four unique newcomers plus Echos left still waiting to be shown off. The big problem is when do you show them? There is most likely a final Smash Direct left, but even with that characters aren't the only things to go over: We still have things like Spirits, online, and Games & More to cover. While I'm neutral on some of the theories about how many characters are left floating around right now, I do think the mindset that there are only about two uniques left is pretty close to what we're gonna get.

Sora and Steve for base game is a little too out there for me, TBH. Both would be GIGANTIC grabs for the game, and I just don't see us having a ton of 3rd party stuff left. Is it possible? Sure, anything is, but I really don't think we should assume these two are in, especially when there's currently no ironclad proof. All Steve has is a "maybe" from Verge and Sora's situation is, in my opinion, 99% likely to be a misunderstanding. 3rd party content is already a huge legal nightmare to begin with, and with the insane amount of 3rd parties we already have, I just don't see us getting a ton more at this point. Sora especially has a lot of hoops to jump through to make it work, and I don't know if Nintendo is gonna be willing to make it work. Steve IMO is probably the more likely of the two, but even then I still kinda doubt it. It's not that I don't think it would work (Steve would actually fit wonderfully in Smash), it's mainly the timing. Minecraft didn't start getting major Nintendo support until the end of the Wii U's life, which could very well hurt it's chances given when this game's project plan was submitted.

Geno...I'm not gonna lie, this feels like a "K. Rool is a lock for Smash DLC" all over again. I've even been thinking he's a lock these past few months, but in all honesty, I'm not sure that's the best approach to take with Geno. Geno has a following, that much is certain, but they are definitely a smaller, niche following. K. Rool has the benefit of being a part of the DKC series, which was huge back in the day and has had a super successful comeback thanks to Retro Studios. Even if K. Rool han't currently made a comeback in the new games, he still has that benefit of being associated with them. Geno is in a bit of a more tricky situation: Yes, Super Mario RPG is popular and considered a classic, but it still is comparatively a niche game, especially when you consider how long it took for it to hit European markets. Another thing too is unless your were really into the game, most people probably aren't gonna remember Geno. A big red flag for me is the fact that his cameo was removed from the recent Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga remake on 3DS, which to me kinda shows Nintendo isn't interested in hashing out the rights with Square (who are known to be super stingy with their property). Don't get me wrong, I would love to be wrong as I know his inclusion would make a lot of folks happy, but TBH I am a little doubtful it's as certain as some believe it to be.

Of course, these are just simply my silly thoughts on the matter. I very well could be wrong and would love to be, as these characters sound amazing and would bring a ton of hype. Hopefully no matter what happens, people can get something that makes them happy. :)
Never knew he was removed from the remake. But yea I do agree because not many people outside of Smash Fans don’t know who Geno is and I won’t be surprised that the younger generation doesnt even though as well. It would be great to see the guy come to Smash but we might be getting a different character like Dragon Quest so I’m glad we got King K Rool & Ridley so if Geno doesn’t make it in that’s ok. There’s always the next game.

I'm going to legitimately laugh if it eventually turns out that Vergeben was wrong about Incineroar being playable... because it's actually another Trainer (Kukui, Hau, player character) using Incineroar, Decidueye, and Primarina! It's the type of mistake, like thinking Isabelle might be an Echo, where people would forgive it and it would actually turn out as better news than we were expecting, which I think sounds great.
I have to agree because how awesome it would be to have another trainer in Smash?
 

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I'm going to legitimately laugh if it eventually turns out that Vergeben was wrong about Incineroar being playable... because it's actually another Trainer (Kukui, Hau, player character) using Incineroar, Decidueye, and Primarina! It's the type of mistake, like thinking Isabelle might be an Echo, where people would forgive it and it would actually turn out as better news than we were expecting, which I think sounds great.
How many times do I have to say it:

Incineroar is in the game as a playable character. There is no trainer, no Rowlet, no Decidueye, no nothing. Just Incineroar.
 
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Preload has no effect on these such things. "Things will leak from preload" is an idea that comes up every time a major release is approaching. Nintendo's preloads are encrypted with advanced modern encryption. They have never and will never be broken.
I'm fairly certain that some games have had elements leaked because of "preload", or at least demo releases of the games. I believe that is how the full roster to Mario Tennis Aces was leaked. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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I'm fairly certain that some games have had elements leaked because of "preload", or at least demo releases of the games. I believe that is how the full roster to Mario Tennis Aces was leaked. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It was the demo, but still close enough.
 

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However if Steve is indeed legit then I predict this.

Unique Fighters:
Geno(72)
Incineroar(69)
Isaac(71)
Steve(70)

Echo Fighters:
Dixie Kong(36e)
Ken(60e)
Medusa(54e)
Shadow(38e)
 

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I'm assuming that Incineroar and Ken will be the final characters revealed for the base game.

If we're including DLC, I'm guessing those two, a handful of echo fighters for a dollar or two (if I had to guess, I'd say Octoling and Shadow the Hedgehog - people have proven to be willing to pay for the former despite it being a cosmetic change, and they'd definitely pay for the latter), and...

-Spring Man (he didn't exist when Smash Ultimate started development; I don't know much about ARMS, and I find him to be the blandest member of the cast, but he seems to be the face of the franchise)

-Rex and Pyra (they didn't exist when Smash Ultimate started development, and I'd be surprised if they didn't include a new Xenoblade character)

-Heihachi (they're already working with Namco, and Heihachi was considered for Smash 4)

-Geno (they're already working with Square-Enix, and Geno was considered for Brawl and Smash 4)

-Skull Kid (or some Nintendo character who's popular but they didn't realize the size of the fanbase until after the game's announcement; I just figure that Zelda is LONG overdue for a new character)

-a third party character from a company that doesn't have a playable one in Smash (no idea who - Doomguy? Travis Touchdown? Banjo-Kazooie? Rayman? I just figure they'd try to have at least one unexpected character - no idea if they'd be able to top the surprise of Snake, Cloud, or Bayonetta, but I figure they'd at least try)
 
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I'm going to legitimately laugh if it eventually turns out that Vergeben was wrong about Incineroar being playable... because it's actually another Trainer (Kukui, Hau, player character) using Incineroar, Decidueye, and Primarina! It's the type of mistake, like thinking Isabelle might be an Echo, where people would forgive it and it would actually turn out as better news than we were expecting, which I think sounds great.
>Another trainer with final evo of gen 7's starters pokemon

AHAHAHA NO. That's bull****, if vergeben's sources said names of those three pokemon at same time and then we would have similar case with mysterious square enix rep
 
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-Skull Kid (or some Nintendo character who's popular but they didn't realize the size of the fanbase until after the game's announcement; I just figure that Zelda is LONG overdue for a new character)
My main issue with Skull Kid is the fact that everyone started jumping on his bandwagon when Loz18 hyped him up, I don't actually think he has a very high chance.

Now i'd like to be wrong, because I do know theres several people that do want Skull Kid and have before even Loz18, but I don't think some late non-ballot era bandwagon is going to get him in.
 
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So, now that Ken might have been leaked, who do you think could be leaked next?
 

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How many times do I have to say it:

Incineroar is in the game as a playable character. There is no trainer, no Rowlet, no Decidueye, no nothing. Just Incineroar.
You're right, how silly of me to dare to have fun dreaming of the possibility that one or more of a leaker's sources are partially incorrect or otherwise not all-knowing! Nothing like that could ever possibly happen, surely, and there's no point in postulating for my own amusement.
 

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If I had to guess who was left. This is who I predict.

Unique Fighters:
Bandana Dee or Elma (70)
Geno (72)
Incineroar (69)
Isaac (71)

Echo Fighters:
Dixie Kong(36e)
Ken(60e)
Medusa(54e)
Shadow(38e)

Since the Miis and Pokemon Trainer are classified as one that would round out to 80 fighters including echos.
Here is mine
Unique
-Incineroar
-Bandana Dee
-Elma
-Geno

Echoes
-Ken
-Shadow
-Impa
-Medusa or Dixie Kong
 

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Hey Dojo. Any predictions as to who those 4 and 4 could be?
It is so hard to know anything at this point. The conflicting potential reports and all. My minimal expectations would be Pokemon (seemingly Incineroar), a Nintendo charcater (like Isaac) and Geno. Shadow, Ken and Dixie would be interesting echoes imo. But seeing names like Sora, Steve and others being tossed around now (being sources with real knowledge or assholes trying to get attention) we are just in that awkward spot.

We are 2.5 months away from release so a new group of people is getting access to knowledge that didn't have it yesterday. Got to write the Prima Guide, got to create the advertising, got to explain things to trade partners. Being the BIG game for Nintendo this year, many people will learn stuff and that information will trickle to us just like last time. I think there are some secrets we don't know but as more people get knowledge, Sakurai is going to feel pressure to showcase the information sooner than later. I think a Smash Direct around mid October will happen and might even just tell us every other character as he wants character reveals on his terms, not that of leakers.
 

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I don't really want incineroar but I've accepted that it's likely going to be him. If it's not I'll be pleasantly surprised.
 

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We are 2.5 months away from release so a new group of people is getting access to knowledge that didn't have it yesterday. Got to write the Prima Guide, got to create the advertising, got to explain things to trade partners. Being the BIG game for Nintendo this year, many people will learn stuff and that information will trickle to us just like last time. I think there are some secrets we don't know but as more people get knowledge, Sakurai is going to feel pressure to showcase the information sooner than later. I think a Smash Direct around mid October will happen and might even just tell us every other character as he wants character reveals on his terms, not that of leakers.
True, I can't imagine how mad or disappointed Sakurai can be when leaks are starting to come out of the shed. Therefore, he had to do smash direct with remaining unrevealed characters or surprise character trailers out of the nowhere.
 

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We just need Pyra Pyra to get up to make some food and some bombshell will drop.
Give me a few hours and I'll be making myself some pasta again with a red sauce I made from scratch a little while ago. Lazy night tonight. I wonder what this dish will bring to the table this time?

hope he minipulates RNG so that Layton is in the leak this time
Guess it depends on if I find a puzzle in my dinner...

So, now that Ken might have been leaked, who do you think could be leaked next?
Could be anyone.
Depends on how soon the next direct is. Incineroar or some other Gen 7 Pokemon could be the next character officially shown so if he isn't leaked between now and then then it hardly matters. I figure the next character leaked will probably be one of the others, in that case. The only reason I say that about the Gen 7 Pokemon is because it's the only one that I'd feel comfortable saying that about considering we haven't seen a Pokemon yet.
 

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One common criticism for Geno is that he is an obscure niche character coming from a game that is over a decade. I want to make a quick rebuttal.

The thing is, Sakurai already implemented obscure characters from niche games before.

Pit and Ice Climbers? Both are niche and obscure character that only appear at one game, just like Geno. Sure Pit regain status once again but at that time..he is a literal Who?

Again, you may thought that both characters are retro characters..but I may point out that the SNES is over 20 years old at that point..It IS retro.
 
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One common criticism for Geno is that he is an obscure niche character coming from a game that is over a decade.

But the thing is, Sakurai already implemented obscure characters from niche games before.

Pit and Ice Climbers? Both are niche and obscure character that only appear at one game, just like Geno.

Again, you may thought that both characters are retro characters..but I may point out that the SNES is over 20 years old at that point..It IS retro.
Those two are also first party characters. Can't stress how important that difference is.
 

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May I interrupt for a moment to say something?

I feel like this Ken leak in that image (That one with the little menu which looks like an debug menu) is one of the highest quality in Smash leaks, since Rayman which unfortunately was debunked by the artist himself. Was fun while it lasted.
 
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