Smash Ultimate Leak Discussion Thread

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

I mean...if you can show me where he says it's speculation I'll believe you.
But to my knowledge he's literally stated he heard this from "sources".

https://mobile.twitter.com/Master0fHyrule/status/1043394075674730496

The sources being 4chan, Reddit, Google, and YouTube. These are his sources. And why is he using that vague wording? So that if he's wrong, he can say those were his sources and not be wrong. It's pure speculation. He doesn't have the same kind of "sources" as Verge or Hitagi.

 

[Luigi The President]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Master0fHyrule/status/1043394075674730496

The sources being 4chan, Reddit, Google, and YouTube. These are his sources. And why is he using that vague wording? So that if he's wrong, he can say those were his sources and not be wrong. It's pure speculation. He doesn't have the same kind of "sources" as Verge or Hitagi.

I appreciate you finding me this Tweet, but I have seen it and I do believe you're throwing out the fact that he got exclusive Battlefield info completely right like it's nothing.

He very well could be protecting his sources, as he goes on to state he "lost the link".

I think you could still be right obviously. You probably are. Perhaps he's just speculating and hyping himself up. But the fact remains that he is one of the most credible leakers still standing, so I refuse to throw it out. However thanks again for the input.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

No.
It explicitly said Waddle Dee. Not Bandana. Didn't imply otherwise.

To me, it implies that Waddle Dee is the Bandana one, at least from what we’ve seen in gameplay - all Waddle Dees are gone from Dedede’s moveset, even those that don’t wear bandanas

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

I appreciate you finding me this Tweet, but I have seen it and I do believe you're throwing out the fact that he got exclusive Battlefield info completely right like it's nothing.

He very well could be protecting his sources, as he goes on to state he "lost the link".

I think you could still be right obviously. You probably are. Perhaps he's just speculating and hyping himself up. But the fact remains that he is one of the most credible leakers still standing, so I refuse to throw it out. However thanks again for the input.

Or that he really sucks at English and "losing the link" is referring to the links to all of these leaks that are hard to keep track of unless you have an organized Word document filled with them.

EDIT: Think of it this way. He's like "loz18". Do I believe loz18 had insider info? Absolutely. But after not having anything after his initial leaks, he had to find a way to continue having his 15 minutes of Fame by hyping characters like Skull Kid up, but not having actual info to back it.

 

[Luigi The President]

Or that he really sucks at English and "losing the link" is referring to the links to all of these leaks that are hard to keep track of unless you have an organized Word document filled with them.

Yep, that's another reason, but as I said I'm not going to throw it out due to the aforementioned reasons.

To me, it implies that Waddle Dee is the Bandana one, at least from what we’ve seen in gameplay - all Waddle Dees are gone from Dedede’s moveset, even those that don’t wear bandanas

It only says "Waddle Dee". That's it. You can have your own opinion on it, but it really could just be a normal Waddle Dee, sadly.
However I agree. It seems obvious that it's BWD but we don't really know.

 

[Nonno Umby]

What I find confusing about Master0fHyrule is that he says "Geno has a high chance of being added". What's that supposed to mean? The game is coming out 11 weeks, what is in the game has been finished months ago. There is no chance involved anymore for the base game, it's eighter in or out.
Same reason why I don't bother reading leaks who go "this character isn't finished yet" because there is no way they are still working on something as big as characters or stages now. They are most likely debugging and balacing it right now, until it gets golden in a month or so.

 

[Nekoo]

What I find confusing about Master0fHyrule is that he says "Geno has a high chance of being added". What's that supposed to mean? The game is coming out 11 weeks, what is in the game has been finished months ago. There is no chance involved anymore for the base game, it's eighter in or out.
Same reason why I don't bother reading leaks who go "this character isn't finished yet" because there is no way they are still working on something as big as characters or stages now. They are most likely debugging and balacing it right now, until it gets golden in a month or so.

DLC?
I mean, that sounds like it?

 

[Luigi The President]

EDIT: Think of it this way. He's like "loz18". Do I believe loz18 had insider info? Absolutely. But after not having anything after is initial leaks, he had to find a way to continue having his 15 minutes of Fame by hyping characters like Skull Kid up, but not having actual info to back it.

There's a good chance he's another Loz, but to be fair this guy has over 200k subscribers. Not sure he'd dent his reputation like that.

What I find confusing about Master0fHyrule is that he says "Geno has a high chance of being added". What's that supposed to mean? The game is coming out 11 weeks, what is in the game has been finished months ago. There is no chance involved anymore for the base game, it's eighter in or out.
Same reason why I don't bother reading leaks who go "this character isn't finished yet" because there is no way they are still working on something as big as characters or stages now. They are most likely debugging and balacing it right now, until it gets golden in a month or so.

Sounds to me his sources point to Geno being in but it's unconfirmed.

 

[SSB4Dojo]

Master of Hyrule is interesting. We have him 100% leak the concept of Nintendo’s e3 and a concept of battlefield. He even leaked last years e3 look I believe. But I find it hard to see him having additional information this time as the two times he has been due to a source working on physical sets for e3. Maybe he has new sources now or there is a need to build some sets his source is a part of but I don’t know how to read him right now. He is a credible leaker so it would be bad to tarnish your reputation but who really knows.

 

[Nonno Umby]

DLC?
I mean, that sounds like it?

DLC is another matter, but if he heard about DLC then why don't say that? Instead of being this vague.

There's a good chance he's another Loz, but to be fair this guy has over 200k subscribers. Not sure he'd dent his reputation like that.


Sounds to me his sources point to Geno being in but it's unconfirmed.

Well he could habe phrased that a lot better then. Usually "chance" is used in regular speculation rather than leak with inside infos.

 

[Luigi The President]

DLC is another matter, but if he heard about DLC then why don't say that? Instead of being this vague.


Well he could habe phrased that a lot better then. Usually "chance" is used in regular speculation rather than leak with inside infos.

I'm unsure as to if English is his first language so I'm more understanding.

 

[Potato_]

My main issue with Skull Kid is the fact that everyone started jumping on his bandwagon when Loz18 hyped him up, I don't actually think he has a very high chance.

Now i'd like to be wrong, because I do know theres several people that do want Skull Kid and have before even Loz18, but I don't think some late non-ballot era bandwagon is going to get him in.

I'm not gonna derail the thread with it, but there's more reasons to believe that Skull Kid is coming besides LoZ. You can DM me if you're curious why.

Also DLC wise I do think he has a very good chance, especially if we don't get a full on Zelda newcomer.

Speaking of LoZ, I could see Master of Hyrule (also funny coincidence they just both happen to have Zelda related names) being in the same situation, except he has the good judgement and the sense to calm down on his predictions and not say they're outright correct. He could have just received the Battlefield assets and that's all, with the rest being just speculation of his.

Besides, I think Geno has a very strong chance regardless, considering this smash is all about fan demand.

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

There's a good chance he's another Loz, but to be fair this guy has over 200k subscribers. Not sure he'd dent his reputation like that.

It doesn't matter what he posts because people are going to continue to watch his vids regardless. "Any publicity is good publicity". WiiUGamer12 is notorious for it.

 

[Luigi The President]

It doesn't matter what he posts because people are going to continue to watch his kids regardless. "Any publicity is good publicity". WiiUGamer12 is notorious for it.

Understandable. We'll have to wait and see with him.

 

[ChocolatGelgato]

It only says "Waddle Dee". That's it. You can have your own opinion on it, but it really could just be a normal Waddle Dee, sadly.
However I agree. It seems obvious that it's BWD but we don't really know.

BWD was just called Waddle Dee in Return to Dream Land.

tbh the naming is what made me interested, as BWD is a mouthful of a name that might be awkward, and Bandana Dee is a unoffical name that has literally never been used outside of a minor error on the triple dx website. Also every kirby fan i've talked to insists it can't ever be just "Waddle dee" despite it being offical once, so this leads me to believe the leaker has no personal connection to BWD but still claimed he was in.

It's weird because it has serious points for it (It even listed isabelle like she was a newcomer), but exists completely in it's own bubble while most of the other "leakers" agree on the same few characters not mentioned by protonmail (sans simon/isabelle)

EDIT: Oh, A point against it, there is a guy who i know admitted on a discord he made several impressive fake leaks, and that they all had lloyd in them, this is a serious hit against protonmail, even though lloyd is a possible character that one guy is just out there making his favourite character seem less believable

 

[Ignoritus]

While I wish that were the case, the entirety of Kirby Star Allies, every character in Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, and a good chunk of Octo Expansion was datamined.

People got the Switch cracked open pretty well. Heck, it only took a day for the NES Online emulator to get hacked and is now easily moddable for homebrewers.

I didn't follow either of these games. However, a quick google search shows they were leaked via datamining of demos or update data pushed prematurely. That is very different from leaking by preload. Preloads involve you downloading the entire game in an encrypted form. When the game is released Nintendo sends out the decryption key allowing you to decrypt the game into an executable. Until that key is available nothing can be gleaned from the data at all.

 

[Untouch]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/247612-samurai-shodown/76989949?jumpto=7#7
The Samurai Shodown leaker wasn't even the first to leak it according to Vergeben here.

He did back him up though, but he's seeming less and less reliable every day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comm...t_new_samurai_shodown_game/dz83ftq/?context=1

 

[RandomAce]

It seems as if we have a some sort of disagreement potential characters by certain leakers. For the time being, we should wait and see.

Verge is the only reliable source so far that we can at least consider more greatly due to what we have seen him accurately show in the past. His sources have been able to at least gain some information in the past about the game, which makes Verge easily the most trustworthy.

MasterOfHyrule is possibly another, being able to leak some information pre E3. However he hasn’t leaked anything since then, so we need to wait and see since we don’t know if his sources knows about Ultimate.

Next is the Senyoujuw?????, and aside from Verge stating that they talked with each other on some sources... there is some statements, most notably a Grandblue charcater joining Smash, that should make this leaker’s statement be taken with a bigger grain of salt.

However, it’s a wait and see for all of them. The reason why I have doubt on some of their statements is that... well... their text leaks. Some are more likely than others, but it’s information being passed down from person to person that they are given. Some could be fabricated by Nintendo even. This also supports why Verge is more trustworthy, in the sense that he has multiple sources to at least justify him passing down information than presumably some of the others who most likely had just one source than have information that can be easily sourced back to the leaker. This sort of information is not as concrete as, let’s say, a picture leak/video leak. We’ve seen with the general consensus that the recent Ken leak is 100% real because it can’t be easily fabricated, and the information is right in front of them. (Pictures leaks can also be easily disproven as well, which is also a plus).

Nintendo’s making sure nothing gets out of hand like last time, which is why I’m looking more into what they have to say with more pessimism to truly believe it.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Yep, that's another reason, but as I said I'm not going to throw it out due to the aforementioned reasons.


It only says "Waddle Dee". That's it. You can have your own opinion on it, but it really could just be a normal Waddle Dee, sadly.
However I agree. It seems obvious that it's BWD but we don't really know.

Maybe BWD would be renamed to Waddle Dee for Smash? Bandana Waddle Dee is too long and Bandana Dee is a fan nickname

‘d

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Are we seriously looking at the name as proof that the Geno leak is fake when the render does all that for us?

His hat looks like a baby bottle. And that's just one thing wrong with it.

vaanrose covered it before, but pretty much font is the big telltale sign of a picture/video leak being fake, as faking the font is nigh-impossible, while it costs thousands to get a hold of the actual font used in Ultimate. People can argue about whether a "leaked" render or model matches the quality we've seen in Ultimate, but you can't dispute the font being different.

 

[Nonno Umby]

I'm unsure as to if English is his first language so I'm more understanding.

For what it matters it isn't even mine or Vergeben's, but still being clear about what you are talking about shouldn't be that hard (although he used Twitter, which with the character limit it might be inconvenient to use many words).

 

[JustCallMeJon]

I believe MasterofHyrule is creditable leaker but I look into his account and found this:

So yeah..take it with a GRAIN of Salt.

Don't always trust leakers..ESPECIALLY with the Smash 4 Fortnite Dance Mod.

 

[I_DON'T_KNOW_YOU!]

I believe MasterofHyrule is creditable leaker but I look into his account and found this:

So yeah..take it with a GRAIN of Salt..

I'm not sure what you are trying to insinuate here. He likes to have fun modding games.

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

I believe MasterofHyrule is creditable leaker but I look into his account and found this:

So yeah..take it with a GRAIN of Salt..

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[JustCallMeJon]

I'm not sure what you are trying to insinuate here. He likes to have fun modding games.

It is a joke my boy...

 

[Luigi The President]

I believe MasterofHyrule is creditable leaker but I look into his account and found this:

So yeah..take it with a GRAIN of Salt..

The issue here?
None.

This dude made a god damn masterpiece.

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

It is a joke my boy...

Jokes usually require a punchline.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

So what's new?

 

[ChocolatGelgato]

I said this before, But I do think he may have similar connections to the same circles that vergeben gathers info from, even if he's tried to save face by saying it's based off reddit/4chan fake posts

What I believe MasterofHyrule's post should be interpreted as is that the SE characters shortlist that that Vergeben has been so reluctant to confirm can be pinned down as Geno and Sora, with the small possibility that both names could be floating around because both are in, if you are a very optimistic person.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

So what's new?

Nothing actually. We are looking for leaks but what we only found is a false Geno leak and that is it.

 

[Koopaul]

Walt Disney himself was apperantly anti-semitic. But yeah, it's kind of a reason why I don't want Disney content in Smash. Even if it's Kingdom Hearts.

What terrible mischaracterizations.

First of all, Donald Duck wasn't a Nazi. He was having a nightmare if he was forced to live in Nazi Germany and the misery he had to endure. He wakes up happy to be in America. It's an ant-Nazi cartoon!

Secondly, Walt Disney can't be antisemitic since many of his employees and close friends (like the Sherman Brothers) were Jewish. That rumor started because he made jokes in a few of his old cartoons about jews. If that's enough to make you an antisemite then Seth MacFarlane is antisemitic himself making fun of jews all the time. South Park? Simpsons? All antisemitic.

 

[Mewtader]

Out of context but I saw a Geno reference in Kingdom Hearts.
View attachment 166291
It is not a leak but I just want to point that out to yall..

If it is true, then that is a neat nod to Geno.

Out of context but I saw a Geno reference in Kingdom Hearts.
View attachment 166291
It is not a leak but I just want to point that out to yall..

If it is true, then that is a neat nod to Geno.

Just like Master hand was referenced in one of the recent KHIII trailers.
https://imgur.com/cxh0JI6

https://imgur.com/lkKnwNn

 

[JustCallMeJon]

Just like Master hand was referenced in one of the recent KHIII trailers.
https://imgur.com/cxh0JI6

https://imgur.com/lkKnwNn

Ay, that giant hand also originate from KIRBY! That hand needs some respect too!

 

[Momotsuki]

Nintendo's preloads are encrypted with advanced modern encryption. They have never and will never be broken.

You sure?

 

[Narr]

here's a leak we can really trust

 

[Ignoritus]

You sure?

Once again, this is not an example of preload being broken but Nintendo accidently pushing it to eshop prematurely and in turn distributing the decryption key. So yes, I am sure.

 

[TBone06]

Out of context but I saw a Geno reference in Kingdom Hearts.
View attachment 166291
It is not a leak but I just want to point that out to yall..

If it is true, then that is a neat nod to Geno.

When was this? It does look really similar.

 

[Momotsuki]

here's a leak we can really trust

Looks like Vergeben was lying when he said he didn't use 4chan...

(Merged consecutive post) If for whatever reason Square wanted to throw Geno and Mallow into a PS4 game, there's absolutely nothing stopping them from doing so, correct?

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

here's a leak we can really trust

I will never not enjoy ugh threads

 

[Luigi The President]

here's a leak we can really trust

Genuinely quality fake leak. One of my favorites.
Tag yourself I'm Cool ape.