Noipoi
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THANK YOUUUUU!!!You drew your avatar yourself? That makes it all the more impressive really. Good job.
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THANK YOUUUUU!!!You drew your avatar yourself? That makes it all the more impressive really. Good job.
This. At this point we've established that people are just going to believe whatever they want to believe regardless of facts or evidence, so why hide behind a theory?I was always wary of going all-in on the music theory, and I might aswell say the blog theory aswell, as I really don't believe Sakurai would show his hand in such an obvious manner, these things that come directly from the Smash team always has a chance to change and throw us off, as they've done many times for past games aswell.
It's obviously held true until now, longer than I expected it to, but I feel like this is the end of it, I don't doubt Vergeben, and in the 1% chance that he's wrong a Pokémon newcomer is still very likely. It's not a hard disproval of the theory just yet, but it's just a matter of time imo.
It's only good for speculation if we can get rid of some of these theories that only limit us too, hopefully the box theory follows after the next presentation.
Noipoi also drew mineYou drew your avatar yourself? That makes it all the more impressive really. Good job.
Yeah, as much as the box theory makes a ton of sense to me, I don't like how people just "Nope, everything is wrong but this"'d it.Aww thank you so much!
And I don't think music theory in itself is stupid, I just don't buy it personally, and i'm just really not looking forward to bringing up Incineroar only for someone to say "Incineroar's not in, music theory disconfirmed him". Shutting down speculation was dumb with the box and it would be dumb here too.
Seriously though, thank you I spend a lot of time on my avatars!
Ya see, I just can't imagine they'd do it like this.I think if anything at this point we're gonna probably get a double reveal similar to Lucina and Robin. I'm personally thinking it'll be both Incineroar and Ken.
We might even get something this week. If were right Steve may get revealed at Minecon.
Eh still close enough to my ideal prediction in that case.Ya see, I just can't imagine they'd do it like this.
Minecon's big, yeah, but Nintendo's never revealed a character at a convention outside of E3.
I 'could' see them announce a Direct(Though that would basically soft confirm Steve), but I don't see them flat out revealing Steve then.
The issue I have is there just aren't a lot of new Nintendo IPs to add, from 64 to now, we've added most of the big ones.I still hate the idea of Steve in Smash, but I don't think it's happening anyway so whatever.
Steve wouldn't ruin the roster for me though. There are two scenarios that make me disappointed with our newcomers:
1) only one new Nintendo IP repped (Splatoon)
2) more new 3rd party IPs repped than Nintendo IPs repped in base roster.
I value the Nintendo theme and those two things kill that for me. If Steve is in without breaking one of them, I'll hate him but still not be disappointed overall.
For me, I'm just trying to spitball when/if a Smash Direct could be announced next month, if at all.I don't get why people are bringing up that a Smash Direct would be announced at Minecon, they'd practically spoil the contents of it by announcing it there, and they don't need to specifically target Minecraft fans in that way anyways, if Steve is in the news will spread like wildfire instantly regardless. The EVO announcement was different as that was at a Smash tournament, it was an extremely relevant place to announce it, even if Steve is in Minecon isn't really the place to do such a thing.
I agree with that, every presentation we've gotten has at least been intended to be early on in the month, so although it's not a huge sample size I think we'll see something early next month. I just don't see why it'd happen at Minecon, it could even happen while that conference is going on just with Nintendo announcing it seperately from the event, we don't really need an event for a trailer or Direct to be announced.For me, I'm just trying to spitball when/if a Smash Direct could be announced next month, if at all.
The last two were super early in the month, which made sense due to the contents they had in them and the spacing out on the blog.
If we get a Direct next month, I feel like it'd come earlier than later, but that's just wishful thinking.
I'm not saying Advance Wars or Sin and Punishment or one of a dozen or more other Nintendo IP have a good chance. I'm saying I'd rather them over 3rd parties or more from already repped IPs. Smash also loses something if none of them get in. It's ok not to care about that loss, but some of us do.The issue I have is there just aren't a lot of new Nintendo IPs to add, from 64 to now, we've added most of the big ones.
Besides Rhythm Heaven and Golden Sun, two that I'm extremely iffy on, the only one I thought was a lock, ARMS, is 'too new'.
And then you got smaller, niche series like Advanced Wars which, have no real shot, being brutally honest.
I'll change my avatar to a Minecraft Deoxys, as well. I highly doubt anything pertaining to a Direct or Smash will be announced (with the sole exception being if there's some sort of "Minecraft Direct" announced, but even then the odds of seeing Smash news in such a presentation that would be focused on a new game or update would be pretty low).If we get a Direct announcement at ****ing Minecon I'll change my signature and replace "mr. leakerman" with "blockhead." I'll also up the font so it's visible.
What I just can't understand is why Sakurai and the team behind the blog would go to the trouble of sticking to a pattern this long only to suddenly decide, "Ah, forget it." That's just odd.I was always wary of going all-in on the music theory, and I might aswell say the blog theory aswell, as I really don't believe Sakurai would show his hand in such an obvious manner, these things that come directly from the Smash team always has a chance to change and throw us off, as they've done many times for past games aswell.
It's obviously held true until now, longer than I expected it to, but I feel like this is the end of it, I don't doubt Vergeben, and in the 1% chance that he's wrong a Pokémon newcomer is still very likely. It's not a hard disproval of the theory just yet, but it's just a matter of time imo.
I can definitely agree that they will undoubtedly excite a lot of people for the mere fact that they're a Pokémon, but was Incineroar ever really a Pokémon that any significant number of people supported before word got out of Vergeben's source claiming that they were playable? I'm honestly unaware of such support, personally, but please feel free to set the record straight if I simply missed it.Lastly, Inceneroar. If there's one character that deserves a spotlight given to him, specifically, as a stand alone announcement it's him. As a Pokemon he's got built in hype, he doesn't have to line up with an announcement since Pokemon usually does their own directs, he's enough of a deep cut Smash Fan choice a la Robin to get us excited, he comes quite a bit after the planned Direct date to be spaced out well enough, and he's the only character to not be either a coinciding announcement like Isabelle or a legacy character like Simon, K. Rool, and Ridley. He sits snuggly between those two sides.
I think it's scheduled to disappear after a month, not just before a reveal. Could be wrong thoughView attachment 166722
What I want to know is, does anyone remember when the 8.8's "NEW" disappeared? I remember that it was about several days before the Direct was announced, and next week we'll be exactly 1 month since Isabelle's planned reveal date.
Incineroar never had much of a big fanbase no.I'll change my avatar to a Minecraft Deoxys, as well. I highly doubt anything pertaining to a Direct or Smash will be announced (with the sole exception being if there's some sort of "Minecraft Direct" announced, but even then the odds of seeing Smash news in such a presentation that would be focused on a new game or update would be pretty low).
What I just can't understand is why Sakurai and the team behind the blog would go to the trouble of sticking to a pattern this long only to suddenly decide, "Ah, forget it." That's just odd.
[QUOTE="NonSpecificGuy, post: 22481882, member: 237096"Lastly, Inceneroar. If there's one character that deserves a spotlight given to him, specifically, as a stand alone announcement it's him. As a Pokemon he's got built in hype, he doesn't have to line up with an announcement since Pokemon usually does their own directs, he's enough of a deep cut Smash Fan choice a la Robin to get us excited, he comes quite a bit after the planned Direct date to be spaced out well enough, and he's the only character to not be either a coinciding announcement like Isabelle or a legacy character like Simon, K. Rool, and Ridley. He sits snuggly between those two sides. I can definitely agree that they will undoubtedly excite a lot of people for the mere fact that they're a Pokémon, but was Incineroar ever really a Pokémon that any significant number of people supported before word got out of Vergeben's source claiming that they were playable? I'm honestly unaware of such support, personally, but please feel free to set the record straight if I simply missed it.
https://sourcegaming.info/2016/02/23/nintendo-dream-interview-with-sakurai-part-2/Sakurai: Nintendo Dream Interview said:I might have had misgivings if Cloud had never appeared on a Nintendo console in any form, though.
https://sourcegaming.info/2016/02/23/nintendo-dream-interview-with-sakurai-part-2/Talahashi on Minecraft Popularity said:What's interesting is that, in Japan, Minecraft is not popular in the way it is in the U.S. and Europe, so we've also thought that, if we were able to do a partnership like that, it might bring opportunity to help make Minecraft more popular in Japan.
This is wrong.I think it's scheduled to disappear after a month, not just before a reveal. Could be wrong though
Minecraft Vita was fairly popular. It was the first title published by Sony to sell over a million units in Japan since Gran Turismo 4 in 2004. For such a major Japanese publisher to have a western indie game owned by a competitor be their best selling title in years is astounding.So, I guess it's time to finally give you guys my reasons for why I don't think Steve is in the base game, despite the "leaks". Yeah, it's time based more than anything else but there's more to it than just that.
The easiest and most telling part of him not coming in, the release date. Minecraft: Wii U Edition was the first instance of Minecraft on a Nintendo console. It was announced on December 7th, 2015 and released on December 17th 2015. Now you might say this could be seen as a boon to the character because this was the time where the game was probably in the limelight. However, we don't really know what DAY the project plan for Ultimate was finalized. Closer to the beginning of the month? Right at the end? We don't know but it's safe to say that the plan was at least being worked out the month prior at the least. Which means Minecraft missed its chance in the planning stage.
What else? Well, same thing. Minecraft missed the Ballot phase. While everyone was hyping up Banjo, Isaac, K. Rool, Ridley, Shantae, Bomberman, you name it, Minecraft was absent from Nintendo entirely. Sure, there might've been the kids who voted for Steve en masse but even then would Sakurai have taken those requests seriously? The game wasn't even on a Nintendo console at the time of the Ballot ending and the Project Plan starting. Oh, but appearing on a Nintendo console is a fan made rule I hear you say. Well no, it's not. Even Sakurai admitted to it being a part of why he felt comfortable with choosing Cloud.
https://sourcegaming.info/2016/02/23/nintendo-dream-interview-with-sakurai-part-2/
Thanks, PushDustIn .
So, if Steve wasn't on a Nintendo Console during the timing of the project plan it's likely he wasn't considered.
Lastly, the popularity of Minecraft in Japan is apparently not as big of a deal as here. From one of the interviews with Miyamoto and Takahashi by Kotaku:
https://sourcegaming.info/2016/02/23/nintendo-dream-interview-with-sakurai-part-2/
It's highly unlikely that the Wii U release made the game any more popular over there, especially considering the Wii U being, well, the Wii U. The 3DS Edition? We can talk about that, but that version wasn't released till this time LAST YEAR. The Switch Edition? Well that didn't released till earlier this year. The only saving grace to this is probably the Playstation Vita Edition which released in 2014. Vita was all the rage then so I could see it gaining traction from that but I have no proof.
I don't think a character from Minecraft is in the books for the base roster guys. Nothing lines up. Leakers can leak all they want and, yeah, maybe we get a Steve Assist Trophy but as a character, I think we are just not getting it. MAYBE, DLC. Maybe.
Yeah, how many series are left to get music? Especially when we consider FF ain't getting oneI don't know if anyone's brought this up yet regarding the music theory and Incineroar being released this week lining up with it - but if this was the case then there would be no point in moving the Animal Crossing music update around, which we know they switched with the Pikmin update.
Either music theory is dead or we aren't getting a new Pokemon. I've been a supporter of a Pokemon newcomer since E3, so I'm going to go a head and say music theory is dead. It's crazy - it totally could have been a coincidence, but man what a coincidence it was. Sakurai defintely was lining up songs from series of the newcomers so I wonder if we will just get 2 Pokemon songs and potentially 2 Mario/Zelda/Kirby etc. At least it reopens a lot of possibilities!
They may as well just announce everyone else now if that’s the case.Hey box theorists, check this out [original source here]. Sakurai said we should expected announcements to slow down, making me think we either won't have an October Direct (saving everything for a later November Direct?) or we really... aren't getting many new characters. He especially mentions they went overboard and might've been mistaken in revealing so many characters upfront.
Yup. Time to just expect Ken/Incineroar and the Square-Enix Characters guys. Lower your expectations, especially if the man himself thinks he went too fastHey box theorists, check this out [original source here]. Sakurai said we should expected announcements to slow down, making me think we either won't have an October Direct (saving everything for a later November Direct?) or we really... aren't getting many new characters. He especially mentions they went overboard and might've been mistaken in revealing so many characters upfront.
I'd still expect at least Shadow and Skull Kid plus Ken/Incineroar and a Square Enix character. Moreso Shadow then Skull Kid.Yup. Time to just expect Ken/Incineroar and the Square-Enix Characters guys. Lower your expectations, especially if the man himself thinks he went too fast
Well so much for being optimistic that music theory was wrong. I'm pretty much sold on just Ken, Incineroar and either Square base rep or Square first day dlc.Hey box theorists, check this out [original source here]. Sakurai said we should expected announcements to slow down, making me think we either won't have an October Direct (saving everything for a later November Direct?) or we really... aren't getting many new characters. He especially mentions they went overboard and might've been mistaken in revealing so many characters upfront.
There's a chance of that happening, sure, but he did sayThey may as well just announce everyone else now if that’s the case.
which basically means they hold back/moderate the announcements so I wouldn't hold my hopes so high.遠慮して生きていきます