Smash Ultimate general series discussion: Part one: Super Mario (with polls)

[Quillion]

I don't think you're really reading what I'm saying. Rosalina makes lots of appearances in both the spin-offs and sometimes in the main series. I never said she vanished, where are you getting that?

Also that sentence is just completely nonsensical, taken completely at face value. A character can disappear from the main games yet still appear in spin-offs.

I don't really know what you're trying to say. Spin-off appearances =/= main series roles that give a character purpose. There's a substantial difference between Bowser Jr's appearance in New Super Mario Bros versus his appearance in Mario Tennis Ultra Smash.

Sorry. What I meant to say was: Rosalina has stuck around for the spinoffs, so I don't understand why, despite her vanishing from the main series, she's not an important character.

 

[Sabertooth]

Thanks for clarifying. Well, because none of her spin-off appearances really have any substance behind them. I use that word substance a lot because I think it's rather important. Sure, it's fun to play as her in Mario Kart and Mario Tennis, but she's not integral to the game or anything. Compare to Bowser Jr in New Super Mario Bros who serves as the secondary antagonist and a recurring boss fight, or Captain Toad in 3D World who has his own levels that only he can play on. If Rosalina appeared in the Moon Kingdom as an NPC that helped Mario defeat Bowser or some other villain, I think that would do wonders for her character because then she would be important in a context other than just playing as her.

 

[Quillion]

Thanks for clarifying. Well, because none of her spin-off appearances really have any substance behind them. I use that word substance a lot because I think it's rather important. Sure, it's fun to play as her in Mario Kart and Mario Tennis, but she's not integral to the game or anything. Compare to Bowser Jr in New Super Mario Bros who serves as the secondary antagonist and a recurring boss fight, or Captain Toad in 3D World who has his own levels that only he can play on. If Rosalina appeared in the Moon Kingdom as an NPC that helped Mario defeat Bowser or some other villain, I think that would do wonders for her character because then she would be important in a context other than just playing as her.

Honestly, I don't think 3D World would be the same without Rosalina. She's the most logical choice for the secret character IMO. Her appearance was able to pay tribute to the previous Galaxy games, and other characters like Daisy or Wario would be weird because the Land duology is so old.

 

[Sabertooth]

I had a few friends who played the entire story of 3D World without ever knowing that Rosalina was in the game. So that's debatable.

 

[Manonymous]

Thanks for clarifying. Well, because none of her spin-off appearances really have any substance behind them. I use that word substance a lot because I think it's rather important. Sure, it's fun to play as her in Mario Kart and Mario Tennis, but she's not integral to the game or anything. Compare to Bowser Jr in New Super Mario Bros who serves as the secondary antagonist and a recurring boss fight, or Captain Toad in 3D World who has his own levels that only he can play on. If Rosalina appeared in the Moon Kingdom as an NPC that helped Mario defeat Bowser or some other villain, I think that would do wonders for her character because then she would be important in a context other than just playing as her.

You're right, but in that's case, we need to get rid of Doctor Mario and Daisy, so ... I think popularity and moveset potential is a better thing than actual importance (but it's important I think, I mean Sakuraï probably won't put a character like Birdo in Smash, but it would be fun if he do).

And K.Rool too, since he's not important in the recent games and his last appearance is from a 2008 game.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

I had a few friends who played the entire story of 3D World without ever knowing that Rosalina was in the game. So that's debatable.

Speaking of which, I really wish she had the real Fire Rosalina skin complete with the ponytail. Then at least it would have looked like they out some extra thought into her.

 

[Quillion]

I had a few friends who played the entire story of 3D World without ever knowing that Rosalina was in the game. So that's debatable.

Well, my definition of "important" is fulfilling just ONE of these criteria:

• Features heavily in marketing.
• Is a playable character for a significant portion of the game.
• Affects the plot in a major way.

It sounds like all three have to be fulfilled for you to consider them major.

 

[Sabertooth]

Well...yeah, I suppose that sounds about right. Although depending on the game I would interchange 1 and 3--for a more story-driven game there might be an important character they choose not to market, and for a story-lite game there could be a character who features heavily commercially but doesn't necessarily affect the plot.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Well, we got piranha plant. Thoughts?

 

[WaddleMatt]

Well, we got piranha plant. Thoughts?

My new main, probably. People are salty and I find it hilarious.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

My new main, probably. People are salty and I find it hilarious.

It is pretty funny. People don't understand that the Piranha plant was added as a promotional feature and didn't take a fighter slot from anyone.

 

[Manonymous]

You're right, but in that's case, we need to get rid of Doctor Mario and Daisy, so ... I think popularity and moveset potential is a better thing than actual importance (but it's important I think, I mean Sakuraï probably won't put a character like Birdo in Smash, but it would be fun if he do).

And K.Rool too, since he's not important in the recent games and his last appearance is from a 2008 game.

Well, now that Sakuraï put , I think we can have the entire cast of Mario Tennis Aces (except Waluigi, he will never be in). But now we know that importance is ****.

 

[DBPirate]

Piranha Plant wouldn't have been my first choice for a joke Mario "character" or even a Mario enemy but it looks like it has a unique playstyle.

I'll be hoping for Captain Toad next game.

 

[I'd Negæte That]

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