Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

We have no characters from the horror genre.

Castlevania isnt a horror?

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

Which ones? The team Ninja ones or the retro ones? Cos i do know the Nes one and i just see a Ninja with shurikens and ninjatos.

Name a character in Smash that can climb walls and izuna drop. Now add in a smattering of Ninja Gaiden Black era weaponry and dragon powers. Calling Ryu Hayabusa a generic ninja is like calling Mario a generic platformer character. Ninja Gaiden codified a lot of video game ninja nonsense.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Idk, I like silent hill but who would you include?

Pyramid Head without question. Harry, James or Heather all would be tied for my second picks though.

 

[Robertman2]

Castlevania isnt a horror?

Nah.

 

[Deleted member]

Castlevania isnt a horror?

It has horror-elements but it’s always been primarily action first-and-foremost. The horror elements tend to just be aesthetic anyway.

 

[MSmariosonic]

I mained Redfield in UMvC3 and MVC:I and I'd gladly main him in Smash

I just think some other protagonists should get a chance

 

[Idon]

I don't get it, you're all asking for a character that represents the horror genre, but Luigi's already in the game.

 

[Roberk]

I really don't get how this rumored DLC is supposed to be Japandering:

Joker is from a JRPG but at the same time, it's one of the most well-performing ones in the west in a while.

Erdrick is definitely centered for the Japanese audience, but Dragon Quest still sells million+ copies of releases outside of the Japan and westerners recognize its legacy.

Doomguy is Murica' incarnate, it's hard to get more western than him imo.

Steve is iconic worldwide, originates from Sweden, and is now owned by the western giant of the video game industry: Microsoft. Also, Japan may enjoy Minecraft greatly but so does literally everyone else.

Finally, Ryu Hayubasa is from Ninja Gaiden, which is aimed towards a western audience.

This DLC hits a good balance of east and west, looking at the big picture.

 

[RandomAce]

Do you think Isaac would have a british accent? I'm asking for a friend who's working on a project.

Most likely no. There isn’t anything that indicates that Isaac or his family have ties to British Decent.

And Isaac’s AT voice clips also don’t sound biristh.

 

[Kingslime304]

The only problem for RE characters is that unlike the likes of Bayonetta, you can't really interpret firearms from RE as fantasy simply because they're not magical to begin with. Which might be troubling for their inclusion.

 

[Idon]

The only problem for RE characters is that unlike the likes of Bayonetta, you can't really interpret firearms from RE as fantasy simply because they're not magical to begin with. Which might be troubling for their inclusion.

Then it's simple.

We get Wesker:

 

[Deleted member]

Pyramid Head without question. Harry, James or Heather all would be tied for my second picks though.

I don’t normally argue this, but I think Pyramid Head is the type of character who just doesn’t work in smash. I dint like it how in homecoming they pretty much just made Pyramid Head generic monster guy, when in Silent Hill 2 he’s supposed to be, well, spoilers but you can probabky see where I’m going. I think pyramid head’s more than just a monster essentially and wouldn’t work without context for his being there. That’s just me though.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Nah.

It has horror-elements but it’s always been primarily action first-and-foremost. The horror elements tend to just be aesthetic anyway.

Welp, the more I know lol

 

[P1ZZ4CHU]

I really don't get how this rumored DLC is supposed to be Japandering:

Joker is from a JRPG but at the same time, it's one of the most well-performing ones in the west in a while.

Erdrick is definitely centered for the Japanese audience, but Dragon Quest still sells million+ copies of releases outside of the Japan and westerners recognize its legacy.

Doomguy is Murica' incarnate, it's hard to get more western than him imo.

Steve is iconic worldwide, originates from Sweden, and is now owned by the western giant of the video game industry: Microsoft. Also, Japan may enjoy Minecraft greatly but so does literally everyone else.

Finally, Ryu Hayubasa is from Ninja Gaiden, which is aimed towards a western audience.

This DLC hits a good balance of east and west, looking at the big picture.

I think this nice balance is what keeps me from dismissing the rumor entirely. It's just good business sense and Nintendo would be covering their bases. DragonQuest would be a guarunteed seller in Japan and Doom Marine would sell in the US and Europe quite handily. Steve is star power galore and Ryu Hayabusa targets the same retro audience that Simon and Ricther courted. Joker is a recent character with a not so small cult following, too.

If there were ever a Nintendo method of selecting third parties, you could do far worse than this.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I guess we're all going to ignore Chris because no one likes him but he's the most realistic.

Eh, besides being able to punch an enormous rock, I think he's the most boring of them.

In general I think Leon with either a Raccoon City stage with zombies, or something related to Umbrella with Chris is a good idea.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I found a good alt for Yuri

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[Deleted member]

I really don't get how this rumored DLC is supposed to be Japandering:

Joker is from a JRPG but at the same time, it's one of the most well-performing ones in the west in a while.

Erdrick is definitely centered for the Japanese audience, but Dragon Quest still sells million+ copies of releases outside of the Japan and westerners recognize its legacy.

Doomguy is Murica' incarnate, it's hard to get more western than him imo.

Steve is iconic worldwide, originates from Sweden, and is now owned by the western giant of the video game industry: Microsoft. Also, Japan may enjoy Minecraft greatly but so does literally everyone else.

Finally, Ryu Hayubasa is from Ninja Gaiden, which is aimed towards a western audience.

This DLC hits a good balance of east and west, looking at the big picture.

If this "leak" actually is real, I'm all for it. I mean ****, Doomguy and Ryu Hayabusa? Count me in!

 

[Shroob]

I found a good alt for Yuri

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My men parts are very confused right now.

 

[Fenzer]

The fact that you keep referring to demons as exploding aliens makes me think you haven't touched Doom. It can be made less gory and still visibly be Doom. Just look at Chex Quest.

Huh. Sorry. Don't know why i said ali....... no, i know. Damn you Doom movie, damn you. Hey, mistakes happens.
And i'm really not sure you can make it less gory in a Smash way and still be Doom.

Anybody who says Doomguy has no personality has clearly never played Doom.
I won’t argue his personality is super duper fleshed out, but it exists. There’s more to him than just “rip and tear”.

Compared to Bayo, yeah, he has none.

Personality shouldn't have to stop a character from getting in, though. Kind of hard to say he has none anyway.

Depends who and which way. Gameplay, personnality, everything depends when adding character. Heck, Personnality is the main factor about Echo fighters. I really don't see what Doomguy could add IN SMASH. In other games, he probably could be cool, heck, i'd love him in Mortal Kombat. But not in smash, no. Smash doesn't need to be a potpourri of video games character without thinking of the game as a whole. And robbing a character of half or more of what make him "him" isn't worth.


On another hand, just took a peek at Ninja Gaiden II on NES and i must say the clone thing could be a nice addition to the moves of smash. Hard to master but really fun.

 

[Noipoi]

You guys want horror? I gotcha covered.

Spoiler: Horror game Icon

 

[Deleted member]

We have no characters from the horror genre.

-insert Freddy eyebrow gif here-

EDIT: DAMMIT, SOMEONE BEAT ME TO IT

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

I don’t normally argue this, but I think Pyramid Head is the type of character who just doesn’t work in smash. I dint like it how in homecoming they pretty much just made Pyramid Head generic monster guy, when in Silent Hill 2 he’s supposed to be, well, spoilers but you can probabky see where I’m going. I think pyramid head’s more than just a monster essentially and wouldn’t work without context for his being there. That’s just me though.

Yeah, I definitely see your perspective on that. Monsters from Silent Hill can be tough to make into fighters when they are tied to a person or certain events regarding said person but that’s what makes me love the hidden symbolism in the franchise above all.

Compared to Bayo, yeah, he has none.

Neither does or

 

[Idon]

You guys want horror? I gotcha covered.

Spoiler: Horror game Icon

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-insert Freddy eyebrow gif here-

EDIT: DAMMIT, SOMEONE BEAT ME TO IT

What a way to start off 2019.

 

[Deleted member]

What a way to start off 2019.

You were not ready for Freddy.

 

[Kingslime304]

I'm kind of glad that more fanmade movesets nowadays are more based on referencing their original sources instead of just making stuff up.

 

[Roberk]

You guys want horror? I gotcha covered.

Spoiler: Horror game Icon

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I can humor Sans, but, this? No, just no.

 

[Noipoi]

I can humor Sans, but, this? No, just no.

Good, I don't want him either.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'm kind of glad that more fanmade movesets nowadays are more based on referencing their original sources instead of just making stuff up.

I honestly have always preferred to do that. But it's still important the moveset flows well. Being 100% accurate is only good if it makes the movest work properly. Sometimes throwing a few things in for good moveset flow is a necessity.

 

[Zinith]

I thought we already have a horror rep...

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Or does Digby need to be an echo for that to happen?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

You guys want horror? I gotcha covered.

Spoiler: Horror game Icon

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Keep that **** away from me and Smash Bros

 

[Kingslime304]

Using a counter from Incineroar's Up-B that killed be like:

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

I thought we already have a horror rep...

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Or does Digby need to be an echo for that to happen?

Nobody suspects the puppy secretaries y’know.

 

[Fenzer]

Name a character in Smash that can climb walls and izuna drop. Now add in a smattering of Ninja Gaiden Black era weaponry and dragon powers. Calling Ryu Hayabusa a generic ninja is like calling Mario a generic platformer character. Ninja Gaiden codified a lot of video game ninja nonsense.

If i had to name a character it's a non-playable. Knuckles can. .... yeah sorry.
Okay, he sure can wall climb in Ninja gaiden 1-2-3 on NES, but i really don't think he Izuma drop. As I asked, which ones, the retro ones or the team ninja? Cos if Ryu Hayabusa there is, i think he will be more the NES version of himself than the recent ones.

But i can understand that, since team NINJA's depiction of Ryu is the most recent one, it could also be this one represented in smash. Then, okay, he got a whole lot of moves and possibilities as a character. Now, it just depends at what nintendo intend to do, please the old school fans or the recent fans?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Freddy takes a bite out of the competition!

 

[Idon]

I'm kind of glad that more fanmade movesets nowadays are more based on referencing their original sources instead of just making stuff up.

Referencing stuff's fun, especially if you use the reference in a weird way.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'm just imagining a Raccoon City stage in which zombies will run out and grab you, and then the Tyrant comes out and wrecks everyone.

Good times.

Or just have a nuke go off that wipes out the city lmao.

 

[Deleted member]

Freddy takes a bite out of the competition!

No no no.

FREDDY TAKES THE STAGE!

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

I'm just imagining a Raccoon City stage in which zombies will run out and grab you, and then the Tyrant comes out and wrecks everyone.

Good times.

Or just have a nuke go off that wipes out the city lmao.

Or Nemesis busts out of a wall and blasts everyone with his rocket launcher.

 

[MSmariosonic]

If i had to name a character it's a non-playable. Knuckles can. .... yeah sorry.
Okay, he sure can wall climb in Ninja gaiden 1-2-3 on NES, but i really don't think he Izuma drop. As I asked, which ones, the retro ones or the team ninja? Cos if Ryu Hayabusa there is, i think he will be more the NES version of himself than the recent ones.

But i can understand that, since team NINJA's depiction of Ryu is the most recent one, it could also be this one represented in smash. Then, okay, he got a whole lot of moves and possibilities as a character. Now, it just depends at what nintendo intend to do, please the old school fans or the recent fans?

*Insert why not both picture

There's nothing stopping them from appealing to both sides of the fanbase by giving Ryu a composite moveset

If they can give Simon Richter's moves than they sure as heck can give old Ryu some moves from new Ryu

 

[Iridium]

I thought we already have a horror rep...

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Or does Digby need to be an echo for that to happen?

No joke, this guy is underrated for his contributions.

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Even had a relevant 3D masterpiece...