Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[PlayerOneTyler]

Soren is literally my least favorite Fire Emblem character. I think the general consensus is a big fat "no" for Soren being in anything ever again, lol.

 

[StormC]

K. Rool was also this in Smash 4.

He will always be among the most "leaked" characters until he actually shows up. :V

Eh... I saw a lot of stuff without K. Rool during Smash 4 speculation. He definitely wasn't as universal as he is now.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Most controversial newcomer is easily Brawl Meta Knight in my opinion.

No other character has actually been banned from competitive play.

Eh... I saw a lot of stuff without K. Rool during Smash 4 speculation. He definitely wasn't as universal as he is now.

I agree with this. Dixie Kong appeared in more leaks than K. Rool. Funny how it's the opposite now.

But we also haven't gotten any truly substantial leaks so far. We only have Vergeben and that puzzle leak, and neither of those leaks are on the level of Gematsu or other notable leaks.

 

[Fierymew]

K. Rool was also this in Smash 4.

He will always be among the most "leaked" characters until he actually shows up. :V

Yea. I think K. Rool could have a chance, but I don't think it's very likely. Definitely not as likely as some other characters, but I could still see it being possible. Personally, I don't care for him, but it'd be nice for the people that do want him.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I've always said K. Rool and Simon are like Shulk and Palutena during 4 speculation. People will not humor fake leaks without them.

Ashley from warioware and bandana dee from kirby is getting close to that point too

 

[N3ON]

I've always said K. Rool and Simon are like Shulk and Palutena during 4 speculation. People will not humor fake leaks without them.

You could say the same about Chrom. Plus Shulk didn't go from plausible to "sure thing" until Gematsu.

K. Rool was also this in Smash 4.

He will always be among the most "leaked" characters until he actually shows up. :V

Mmm, I remember once people caught on to the whole timeliness of the additions, Dixie began to become more prevalent on rosters until the ballot put an end to that.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

With the recent talks of Bayonetta being determined 2 weeks into the ballot, I need to ponder something:
Who is the most controversial smash newcomer of all time?
I see Bayonetta, Miis, Dark Pit, Ice Climbers (Melee and Brawl Era), and Meta Knight (Brawl Era) as some of the most controversial newcomers most of the time (for different reasons), but I can't really pick one out of those that would be best representative of the most controversial.

The most negative initial reaction to a newcomer was R.O.B., poor guy got absolutely torched by the community, everything wrong with the game was because of him. Luckily everyone simmered down again eventually.

I think the most controversial character throughout a longer period of time has been Bayonetta, not only because she was a controversial inclusion to begin with, but having to pay for by far the best character in the game, and one who had such a toxic playstyle as well, has really gotten everyone super salty about her. She's the only character who I've actually seen people boo in real life, both during various gatherings for Ultimate's reveal and during the Invitational, she's hated by casuals and hardcores alike. Hopefully some significant nerfs and some of the fan favorites who didn't make Smash 4 getting in will make everyone ease up on her over time, I'm not a fan of her myself, but it's a shame any character should have that reception.

 

[Chandeelure]

*Uses Google search*

Oh yeah, Soren, my most wanted character, what an iconic and popular character he is.

 

[Deleted member]

Nope. Gengar was a flavor of the month character.

I say let's keep it that way.

More like flavor of the week, but still.

It at least was far more interesting than the usual choices in "leaks" like Decidueye and Mimikyu.
Especially when Gengar makes the most sense (at least to me) as an older Pokémon getting included nowadays.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

I've never seen anyone else come up with this idea: what if Miiverse did come back and the posts that appear were chosen as the best from Smash 4 by the localisation teams? That way the stage could return and no one would have to worry about explicit content and low effort garbage.

 

[Zerp]

With the recent talks of Bayonetta being determined 2 weeks into the ballot, I need to ponder something:
Who is the most controversial smash newcomer of all time?
I see Bayonetta, Miis, Dark Pit, Ice Climbers (Melee and Brawl Era), and Meta Knight (Brawl Era) as some of the most controversial newcomers most of the time (for different reasons), but I can't really pick one out of those that would be best representative of the most controversial.

He came AFTER Fire Emblem had 5 characters and was considered grossly over-repped by many already, a series that already got a DLC character in the form of Roy, came from a game that was even out yet for most of us, and was the only DLC Nintendo newcomer.

 

[Deleted member]

Mmm, I remember once people caught on to the whole timeliness of the additions, Dixie began to become more prevalent on rosters until the ballot put an end to that.

Eh, it's not so much "timelessness" as it is "who is relevant now".

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I've never seen anyone else come up with this idea: what if Miiverse did come back and the posts that appear were chosen as the best from Smash 4 by the localisation teams? That way the stage could return and no one would have to worry about explicit content and low effort garbage.

Then you get the issue of repetition which kinda goes against the gimmick of updated posts

 

[New_Dumal]

My most wanted returning stages not yet showed in Ultimate:

• 5: Jungle Hijinx
• 4: Mute City (3DS)
• 3: Pictochat
• 2: Fountain of Dreams
• 1: Delfino Island

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

With the recent talks of Bayonetta being determined 2 weeks into the ballot, I need to ponder something:
Who is the most controversial smash newcomer of all time?
I see Bayonetta, Miis, Dark Pit, Ice Climbers (Melee and Brawl Era), and Meta Knight (Brawl Era) as some of the most controversial newcomers most of the time (for different reasons), but I can't really pick one out of those that would be best representative of the most controversial.

Ashley from warioware and bandana dee from kirby is getting close to that point too

Which makes me wonder who will take that position after/if all those people make it in. When the old leaders are gone, new ones takes over or are chosen by the public and get all the attention. An era of Smash speculation is ending with this installment, just from Daisy, Ridley and Inkling already being in there.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

i will point out a mistake the leak i posted did though

the mistake is they forgot to mention if Daisy, Ridley and Inklings are included or not

 

[wildvine47]

I've never seen anyone else come up with this idea: what if Miiverse did come back and the posts that appear were chosen as the best from Smash 4 by the localisation teams? That way the stage could return and no one would have to worry about explicit content and low effort garbage.

Problem is, there’s going to be 10+ characters that never had any Miiverse posts about them.

Playing as Snake on Miiverse versus Ridley would mean, what, nothing shows up? Or that some other character’s posts would?

The Splatoon 2 option is the only one that makes sense to me if they were going to do it, but realistically I don’t think they’ll bother.

 

[StormC]

Miiverse is dead folks.

Also Corrin easily takes the cake for most reviled Smash character. People were actually excited about Bayonetta before playing as her (or against her).

 

[N3ON]

Eh, it's not so much "timelessness" as it is "who is relevant now".

Timeliness, not timelessness. Who is timely. I agree.

I wish the roster was based more around timelessness. Then the characters I support might actually have a shot, like Scarf Boy.

 

[Fierymew]

Miiverse is dead folks.

Also Corrin easily takes the cake for most reviled Smash character. People were actually excited about Bayonetta before playing as her (or against her).

I fee like if Elma makes it in, she'd be pretty hated too, at least among Xenoblade fans, since most people seem to want Rex/Pyra over her. Even though Rex is pretty much impossible, and Elma already seems very likely.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I fee like if Elma makes it in, she'd be pretty hated too, at least among Xenoblade fans, since most people seem to want Rex/Pyra over her. Even though Rex is pretty much impossible, and Elma already seems very likely.

Oh don't worry, Rex would get a lot of hate too, even from Xenoblade fans who don't like Elma

 

[Thirdkoopa]

If this happens you all better start a DLC campaign to get me as a newcomer.

just imagine how amazing it would be

 

[N3ON]

Miiverse is dead folks.

Also Corrin easily takes the cake for most reviled Smash character. People were actually excited about Bayonetta before playing as her (or against her).

Some were, some weren't. On the list of most controversial Smash characters, Bayo would chart well, pre or post release.

 

[Fierymew]

Oh don't worry, Rex would get a lot of hate too, even from Xenoblade fans who don't like Elma

Yea, true. Both would get a lot of hate, but I think both of them will get in anyway, we'll just have to wait for DLC to get Rex in

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Most controversial newcomer is easily Brawl Meta Knight in my opinion.

No other character has actually been banned from competitive play.

He was definitely controversial, but I think Brawl's awful competitive gameplay took a lot of the heat he would otherwise have gotten, the shock that was going from Melee to Brawl took center stage for most, if the game itself wasn't fun to play or watch then Meta Knight was very much a secondary problem. I also think the decision to ban him ended up being more controversial than the character himself, when it comes to banning any characters at all the Smash community is extremely touchy.

 

[Hinata]

No other character has actually been banned from competitive play.

Her ban wasn't nearly as widespread as Brawl Meta Knight's, but some communities did ban Bayonetta for a while.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Miiverse is dead folks.

Also Corrin easily takes the cake for most reviled Smash character. People were actually excited about Bayonetta before playing as her (or against her).

if we're talking smash 4, this

if we're talking smash as a whole, boy golly ROB and the melee clones received a lot of heat just for existing

 

[StrangeMann]

ROB

I try never to speak for everyone, so for me, Dark Pit and Lucina really angered me. The very, very minimal differences they had from Pit/Marth did not warrant them being anything besides alts like Alph.

The most negative initial reaction to a newcomer was R.O.B., poor guy got absolutely torched by the community, everything wrong with the game was because of him. Luckily everyone simmered down again eventually.

I think the most controversial character throughout a longer period of time has been Bayonetta, not only because she was a controversial inclusion to begin with, but having to pay for by far the best character in the game, and one who had such a toxic playstyle as well, has really gotten everyone super salty about her. She's the only character who I've actually seen people boo in real life, both during various gatherings for Ultimate's reveal and during the Invitational, she's hated by casuals and hardcores alike. Hopefully some significant nerfs and some of the fan favorites who didn't make Smash 4 getting in will make everyone ease up on her over time, I'm not a fan of her myself, but it's a shame any character should have that reception.

He came AFTER Fire Emblem had 5 characters and was considered grossly over-repped by many already, a series that already got a DLC character in the form of Roy, came from a game that was even out yet for most of us, and was the only DLC Nintendo newcomer.

Which makes me wonder who will take that position after/if all those people make it in. When the old leaders are gone, new ones takes over or are chosen by the public and get all the attention. An era of Smash speculation is ending with this installment, just from Daisy, Ridley and Inkling already being in there.

I can see the viewpoints of all of these except Duck Hunt (I forgot how negative the initial reception to ROB was when he first arrived in Brawl over many other memorable characters, although people definitely warmed up to him over the passage of time, unlike bayonetta) being characters people would dislike. I don't think Duck Hunt was actively disliked at the launch of Smash 4 (except for maybe how they played?), but that's just my personal experience/opinion coming through.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Ice Climbe r banned from the current Brawl meta and not Meta Knight? It's a barely existing community but I remember hearing that a few weeks ago

 

[Zerp]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Ice Climbe r banned from the current Brawl meta and not Meta Knight? It's a barely existing community but I remember hearing that a few weeks ago

No, probably at some really small local nobody cares about but no Ice Climbers are not banned. Also, Meta Knight was banned but there were literally too many Meta Knight mains at that point to enforce it, some biggish T.O.s said no and ran Meta Knight legal tournaments and it caused the Unity Ruleset to fall apart. You'll sometimes see Brawl Ice Climbers and Meta Knight banned tournaments (where both of them are banned and not just one of them) though, since basically everyone thinks they're busted and unhealthy for the game.

 

[N3ON]

He may not be the most controversial character full stop, but as far as I'm concerned ROB received the most undue flack of any character.

I can see the viewpoints of disliking a clone or a character you believe doesn't fit in a Nintendo crossover, or a promotional addition (I don't agree with all of them, but I understand them). But all ROB did was get revealed last (of original characters) and not be... Mega Man, Ridley, Geno, etc. He was the ultimate scapegoat.

I'd like to believe that's why WFT was revealed so early, because she got some heat, but I could see her being ROB's successor had she not shown up til the end.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

one stock brawl is legit fun, just gonna come in and say that.

 

[Metal Shop X]

I don't know if they are controversial per say, but isn't the Ice Climbers in both Melee and Brawl very unpopular at high level due to wobble/infinite chaingrab?

If the answer is yes, I hope Sakurai can make them actual characters instead of salt maker in Ultimate. I don't want them to be bad, but I prefer if they could find a way to remove the bad reputation those two had for two games now.

 

[Deleted member]

idea: bring back miiverse except replace it with a smashboards themed stage that takes smashboards posts

Considering they can't use this song...

...I really don't see the point.

I have a question, does still have their animal voices?

Yes, they stil do.

 

[StormC]

R.O.B. had the misfortune of following up an awesomely stacked pre-release roster. Meta Knight, Wario, Snake, Diddy, Dedede, Sonic, Olimar...

Unless Brawl's unlockables had some combination of Ridley, K. Rool, and Mega Man, it was bound to disappoint.

 

[-crump-]

Leak is obviously fake, but credits to the guy for coming up with the most "out there" idea for an echo that I've seen so far. Soren over Robin would be such a weird choice, considering Soren doesn't use a sword, and isn't exactly a popular request to begin with.

Honestly, I doubt FE will get much of anything. I think Sakurai took the "too much FE" thing to heart.

 

[Zerp]

I don't know if they are controversial per say, but isn't the Ice Climbers in both Melee and Brawl very unpopular at high level due to wobble/infinite chaingrab?

If the answer is yes, I hope Sakurai can make them actual characters instead of salt maker in Ultimate. I don't want them to be bad, but I prefer if they could find a way to remove the bad reputation those two had for two games now.

Not just high level, they're unpopular at all levels, you'll see tons of saltly reactions to getting wobbled in pools and what-not, although Brawl Ice Climbers are a little different than melee Ice Climbers in that they're legitimately broken and overpowered instead of having simply one broken tool, so you'll get even more negative reactions from them.

 

[Opossum]

Soren is literally my least favorite Fire Emblem character. I think the general consensus is a big fat "no" for Soren being in anything ever again, lol.

With Soren it just depends on where one falls on the "does his backstory justify his attitude" argument, from what I've seen. He's not my favorite by any means, but I can appreciate his character given that

Spoiler: Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn spoilers

I like how he shows a lot of Tellius' Laguz vs Beorc conflict by being a child of both, making him fit in with neither.

 

[wildvine47]

I don't know if they are controversial per say, but isn't the Ice Climbers in both Melee and Brawl very unpopular at high level due to wobble/infinite chaingrab?

If the answer is yes, I hope Sakurai can make them actual characters instead of salt maker in Ultimate. I don't want them to be bad, but I prefer if they could find a way to remove the bad reputation those two had for two games now.

We’ve already seen how Sakurai decided to fix that particular issue. The second climber can’t grab anymore and just cheers while the other throws. Wobbling and chaingrabs are already dead.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I don't know if they are controversial per say, but isn't the Ice Climbers in both Melee and Brawl very unpopular at high level due to wobble/infinite chaingrab?

If the answer is yes, I hope Sakurai can make them actual characters instead of salt maker in Ultimate. I don't want them to be bad, but I prefer if they could find a way to remove the bad reputation those two had for two games now.

They're definitely unpopular, but not so much that they're actively hated by everyone, there are many ways around wobbling in Melee so they aren't considered anywhere near top tier, while they're still outdone by Meta Knight in Brawl.

Everything indicates that any form of chain grab shenanigans with them are impossible in Ultimate.