Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[DutchPichu]

E3 floor plan leak,

What's this E3 floor plan leak you are all talking about?

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

What's this E3 floor plan leak you are all talking about?

Master of Hyrule Leak a couple of pages back, claims to know the E3 floor plan and was right last E3 as well. Says there will be props to represent smash characters but only confirmed vets so far. It will also apparently be half pokemon which is cool.

I know I'm a part of the vocal minority, but I'm still not sure how I feel about Bayo being a Nintendo character. I'm glad that the company is trying to branch out to the more mature audiences, but Bayo seems a little extreme. I mean, the lady is essentially a smexy stripper who fights bloody demonic creatures with realistic handguns. Not exactly what first comes to mind when I think of "The World of Nintendo".

I totally get what your'e saying in the sense of thinking Mario, Kirby, and Pikachu (even Link and FE characters are pretty tame). But even though it hasn't been shown in a truly mature matter, Metroid is a pretty gritty series. And while Bayo is mature in a sense it's super silly unlike Metroid. I think it fits more than people think, it's not like God of War or Grand Theft Auto. I'll be shocked if Nintendo adopt those as Nintendo all-stars XD.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Shadow Dragon got robbed. That was my biggest complaint about the roster. That and Celica being a sword-based clone. Lots of other great things about the game, at least.


I'd argue Sonic is fairly easy to represent using his shoes.

or a ring or a chaos emerald or something

I know I'm a part of the vocal minority, but I'm still not sure how I feel about Bayo being a Nintendo character. I'm glad that the company is trying to branch out to the more mature audiences, but Bayo seems a little extreme. I mean, the lady is essentially a smexy stripper who fights bloody demonic creatures with realistic handguns. Not exactly what first comes to mind when I think of "The World of Nintendo".



Believe it or not, NA and EU sales are what saved FEW.

Surprisingly, Japan is the region where FEW struggled the most, despite the game releasing in September rather than October. Sales overseas were pretty solid, even with the unfortunate timing of Odyssey.

She doesn't fit with nintendo but I like that, there's nothing quite like bayonetta in their repertoire of franchises. Yeah they have grittier series like metroid and fire emblem and stuff but nothing like bayonetta that combines realism with over the top goofiness and fun.

edit: Imadethistoseealeak just said pretty much exactly what I did about bayo lmaoooo

 

[Roberk]

Believe it or not, NA and EU sales are what saved FEW.

Surprisingly, Japan is the region where FEW struggled the most, despite the game releasing in September rather than October. Sales overseas were pretty solid, even with the unfortunate timing of Odyssey.

Probably because Japan is more affluent with the non FatesAwakening characters and wanted those repped.

 

[Lyndis_]

I feel really bad for ARMs. I enjoy it but I find it to have very little replayability/depth compared to other fighters, and I'm not sure what they could really have done about that post-launch honestly.

I also have to admit, I disliked the loadout system. Being able to choose your gloves pre-game is cool, but having to unlock tons and tons and being able to switch them between every character makes many characters feel samey and less interesting than if they had their own unique set of gloves. Maybe that only makes sense to me? I honestly just prefer arena games over loadout 99% of the time anyways so I'm possibly a bit biased.

I do genuinely enjoy the characters and world, though, so I hope we do get to see Spring Man at least in the form of DLC if he missed the punch for the base roster.

FEW's sales suffering from releasing a week before Odyssey feels like Radiant Dawn releasing the same week as Super Mario Galaxy. Hopefully they learn their lesson for FE16 with Smash and Pokemon on the horizon.

I would say it also has to do a lot with pre-Awakening games not even getting a fourth of the base roster. The original game in the series got only 3 characters...? From what I've seen there's a pretty vocal part of that fanbase that dislikes Fates (and too a lesser extent a group that dislikes Awakening as well.)

Only one GBA character, no Ike, Hector, or Roy, what the heck were they thinking??? I don't even really like Fire Emblem and it bugs me.

 

[Roberto zampari]

Tatsumi Kimishima will be stepping down as Nintendo President and replaced by Shuntaro Furukawa.

Link: https://mynintendonews.com/2018/04/...s-we-will-develop-the-company-to-its-fullest/

Does this change something about the Super Smash Bros for Nintendo Switch?

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Tatsumi Kimishima will be stepping down as Nintendo President and replaced by Shuntaro Furukawa.

Link: https://mynintendonews.com/2018/04/...s-we-will-develop-the-company-to-its-fullest/

Does this change something about the Super Smash Bros for Nintendo Switch?

I personally don't think so.

However with the rumor that Pokemon will be a main feature at E3, when it almost never is, is interesting considering Shuntaro Furukawa is from Marketing and was once Pokemon Company Director (Someone please correct me if that is wrong). I'm wondering how much he's had a say a;ready and if he's one of the reasons Pokemon might change it's marketing and have a huge reveal at E3.

 

[Zeallyx]

It can only get better with a new president.

Fingers crossed this isn't a port.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Here's a question for RTC rating purposes, if in the near future Ashley from WarioWare is majorly promoted, starting with advertising for WarioWare Gold coming to 3DS and appearing in Mario spinoffs, can you see Ashley becoming a playable character? Lately, I have been seeing slightly more promotion for Ashley recently in Japan, and it gave me a bit of thought. I do not if promotion would apply to the WarioWare series like with Rosalina with Mario, but it is worth bringing up. This is all hypothetical of course, and I may be thinking too far ahead in the future.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Here's a question for RTC rating purposes, if in the near future Ashley from WarioWare is majorly promoted, starting with advertising for WarioWare Gold coming to 3DS and appearing in Mario spinoffs, can you see Ashley becoming a playable character? Lately, I have been seeing slightly more promotion for Ashley recently in Japan, and it gave me a bit of thought. I do not if promotion would apply to the WarioWare series like with Rosalina with Mario, but it is worth bringing up. This is all hypothetical of course, and I may be thinking too far ahead in the future.

You know I never considered a Warioware character being considered for a Mario Spin Off, and now I'm really hoping for it! I'd much rather a character like Ashley be in Aces than another generic enemy like Spike .

 

[Roberto zampari]

I personally don't think so.

However with the rumor that Pokemon will be a main feature at E3, when it almost never is, is interesting considering Shuntaro Furukawa is from Marketing and was once Pokemon Company Director (Someone please correct me if that is wrong). I'm wondering how much he's had a say a;ready and if he's one of the reasons Pokemon might change it's marketing and have a huge reveal at E3.

Perhaps Shuntaro will convince Sakurai to add more Pokemons in the next Smash Bros for Switch.

 

[BluePikmin11]

You know I never considered a Warioware character being considered for a Mario Spin Off, and now I'm really hoping for it! I'd much rather a character like Ashley be in Aces than another generic enemy like Spike .

Camelot needs to think more creatively about their choices in their future Mario spinoffs. Chain Chomp is a good start, but the Mario selection in spinoff games in general feel really limited.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Is it possible that Sakurai isn't giving us news because he wants to hit us with ''AND EVERYONE IS RETURNING!" sort of surprise at E3? That'd effectively get all the veterans out of the way and leave room for hyping up the release with newcomers?

 

[MrReyes96]

I feel really bad for ARMs. I enjoy it but I find it to have very little replayability/depth compared to other fighters, and I'm not sure what they could really have done about that post-launch honestly.

I also have to admit, I disliked the loadout system. Being able to choose your gloves pre-game is cool, but having to unlock tons and tons and being able to switch them between every character makes many characters feel samey and less interesting than if they had their own unique set of gloves. Maybe that only makes sense to me? I honestly just prefer arena games over loadout 99% of the time anyways so I'm possibly a bit biased.

I do genuinely enjoy the characters and world, though, so I hope we do get to see Spring Man at least in the form of DLC if he missed the punch for the base roster.


I would say it also has to do a lot with pre-Awakening games not even getting a fourth of the base roster. The original game in the series got only 3 characters...? From what I've seen there's a pretty vocal part of that fanbase that dislikes Fates (and too a lesser extent a group that dislikes Awakening as well.)

Only one GBA character, no Ike, Hector, or Roy, what the heck were they thinking??? I don't even really like Fire Emblem and it bugs me.

I wish more people got into ARMS, I have 50 hours into it, ranked mode and party crash are so fun and the characters are so well designed

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Is it possible that Sakurai isn't giving us news because he wants to hit us with ''AND EVERYONE IS RETURNING!" sort of surprise at E3? That'd effectively get all the veterans out of the way and leave room for hyping up the release with newcomers?

That would make sense tbh, especially since we have a significantly shorter wait between reveal and release this time around, cramming all those veteran reveals and building hype with newcomers into that time frame isn't really feasible anyway.

 

[Phaazoid]

It can only get better with a new president.

Fingers crossed this isn't a port.

Would a port really be that bad though? It's already confirmed that they're adding new characters. I'd be pretty happy with a port that contained a bunch of new characters/stages

 

[Deleted member]

Tatsumi Kimishima will be stepping down as Nintendo President and replaced by Shuntaro Furukawa.

Link: https://mynintendonews.com/2018/04/...s-we-will-develop-the-company-to-its-fullest/

Does this change something about the Super Smash Bros for Nintendo Switch?

Nope.

 

[osby]

Would a port really be that bad though? It's already confirmed that they're adding new characters. I'd be pretty happy with a port that contained a bunch of new characters/stages

I guess there is way too much intentional hype around it to be "just a port".

Also I just noticed but every Smash game has its selling point after 64.

Melee has doubled the playable characters from the first game.
Brawl has guest characters and later, story mode.
For has released in two different consoles with amiibo.

I wonder what kinda approach they will follow this time, apart from "leave them suffer until E3".

 

[Applebutter61]

Here's how I see it. Every Smash game has introduced new mechanics, new characters, move changes, new and improved 1 player modes, and so on. As long as Smash for switch has all these things plus more (such as improved online play), I don't care if it's a "port" or not.

Edit: I fixed a grammar error. Finally.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Is it possible that Sakurai isn't giving us news because he wants to hit us with ''AND EVERYONE IS RETURNING!" sort of surprise at E3? That'd effectively get all the veterans out of the way and leave room for hyping up the release with newcomers?

Wonder if it'd truly be "all" of them though, I'm wondering if there'll be cuts as well on some characters as well. Would be sweet if the entire roster came back all intact from Smash 4 though.

 

[osby]

Wonder if it'd truly be "all" of them though, I'm wondering if there'll be cuts as well on some characters as well. Would be sweet if the entire roster came back all intact from Smash 4 though.

The reason for the cuts in previous games was insuffiicient development time. Since they don't develop two games at a time (because Subspace Emissary was pretty much a game itself), I don't think there would be much reason for new content to prevent veterans showing up.

Let's hope I won't be wrong.

 

[Phaazoid]

I guess there is way too much intentional hype around it to be "just a port".

Also I just noticed but every Smash game has its selling point after 64.

Melee has doubled the playable characters from the first game.
Brawl has guest characters and later, story mode.
For has released in two different consoles with amiibo.

I wonder what kinda approach they will follow this time, apart from "leave them suffer until E3".

Smash 5 will probably take elements from Pokemon go, you have to fight your opponents in real life to damage them in the game. What an interesting departure that would be. Truly groundbreaking.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Nobody said you needed to tie anything to the Bonuses other than "for fun". Since that's what made them great in the first two games. No Damage can go away and stay away, anyway.

Still, it's probably not worth the hassle, just to get a single trophy that can't be acquired by any other means.

 

[Pazzo.]

Smash 5 will probably take elements from Pokemon go, you have to fight your opponents in real life to damage them in the game. What an interesting departure that would be. Truly groundbreaking.

Settle it, in real life!

 

[Hinata]

Smash 5 will probably take elements from Pokemon go, you have to fight your opponents in real life to damage them in the game. What an interesting departure that would be. Truly groundbreaking.

I look forward to lighting my friend on fire every time I use Mario's F-Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd argue Sonic is fairly easy to represent using his shoes.

That reminds me.....

 

[MrReyes96]

That reminds me.....

All we need is cranky Kong in smash for a reunion

 

[BluePikmin11]

You know what I am in the mood for, I want to see an in-depth analysis on why negotiating Konami characters would not be as big of an issue as most people initially think. I want to try to be more open towards Konami, but Sakurai's potentially negative perspective towards the company prevents me from making me think of the possibility. I gave it my all with that Sora analysis with confronting every angle of Disney, now I would like to see someone tackle Konami in-depth.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Ok here's a funny item idea! Kamaro's mask!

It is a special item that must be thrown at opponents! Once thrown if it lands on an opponent they will start doing Kamaro's dance for a few seconds allowing for combos! Some characters will have to have different animations due to their body shape or animation style (for example: Kirby, Mr. G&W and Pikachu)!

You know this sounds pretty interesting the more I look at it

and Roy should have a Leif alt.

Leif don't have Fire attacks, so there's no way that's going to work with Roy.

 

[DJ3DS]

Camelot needs to think more creatively about their choices in their future Mario spinoffs. Chain Chomp is a good start, but the Mario selection in spinoff games in general feel really limited.

To be completely fair to Camelot (and indeed any of the people making a Mario spin-off), there's only so much you can do with so many characters that are near mandatory at this point. For general spinoffs, the following are definitely as such:

1 - Mario
2 - Luigi
3 - Yoshi
4 - Peach
5 - Bowser
6 - Donkey Kong
7 - Wario
8 - Toad

And the following characters might as well, be because they'd cause a big stir if they suddenly didn't appear:

9 - Waluigi
10 - Daisy
11 - Rosalina
12 - Toadette
13 - Diddy Kong
14 - Bowser Jr
15 - Koopa Troopa

Moreover, Camelot have already made another character hugely popular within this spinoff:

16 - Boo

That's already a very large chunk of the roster accounted for - and at least one of their new characters (Chain Chomp) is an instant hit, even if it's in large part because of the sheer absurdity of it.

There are some very definite additions I have long craved (the use of more DK characters than just DK and Diddy, Kamek, giving some love to RPG spinoffs) but honestly I think the current roster as it is looks pretty good. It's not nearly as bad as Mario Kart 8, which despite having more than double the number of characters I just listed bloated it completely with metal and baby versions of characters as well as all 7 koopalings, whilst removing some of the genuinely important characters, like Diddy and Jr.

 

[MrReyes96]

Master Hand wearing the infinity gauntlet

Discuss

 

[Spikeez]

We doing item ideas? How about a potted Pirana Plant for an item? It starts with a Pirana Pant pot spawning on the field, but you have to throw it to work. Once thrown, the Pirana Plant will pop out and bite anyone in sight including other items.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

We doing item ideas? How about a potted Pirana Plant for an item? It starts with a Pirana Pant pot spawning on the field, but you have to throw it to work. Once thrown, the Pirana Plant will pop out and bite anyone in sight including other items.

Make it part of Waluigi's moveset and we'll have the most broken move ever

 

[DutchPichu]

Can someone please link me to the "Master of Hyrule" / E3 booth leak? I still can't find it.

 

[Opossum]

Master Hand wearing the infinity gauntlet

Discuss

"When this is over, half the roster will remain. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be."

We doing item ideas? How about a potted Pirana Plant for an item? It starts with a Pirana Pant pot spawning on the field, but you have to throw it to work. Once thrown, the Pirana Plant will pop out and bite anyone in sight including other items.

Breidablik as a Fire Emblem Assist Trophy/Poké Ball equivalent.

 

[Nekoo]

(That and shes easier to represent than Sonic or Pac Man).

I can give you Pac-man, but Sonic? Come on- His own Sonic Team logo face, Shoes, rings, chaos Emerald, Checkpoint sign, Star bumpers pattern and such.

I like Bayonetta, but let's not start saying that She's easier to represent than freaking Sonic now, shall we?

 

[Gumzilla]

How about the broodals as Assist trophies?

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I can give you Pac-man, but Sonic? Come on- His own Sonic Team logo face, Shoes, rings, chaos Emerald, Checkpoint sign, Star bumpers pattern and such.

I like Bayonetta, but let's not start saying that She's easier to represent than freaking Sonic now, shall we?

I was more going off weapons like the other characters have, buttttttt Duck Hunt does have his can apparently so touche.

Well then either Sonic's shoes/whatever are among the props or Nintendo is stealing Bayo from Sega/Platinum.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Make it part of Waluigi's moveset and we'll have the most broken move ever

I always see it paired with Waluigi. Did he ever use one?
I would have thought a mario plant attack would be more befitting Daisy.

Or Captain Toad/Toad since they've used the potted plant in Treasure Tracker/3D World...

 

[Jubileus57]

I can give you Pac-man, but Sonic? Come on- His own Sonic Team logo face, Shoes, rings, chaos Emerald, Checkpoint sign, Star bumpers pattern and such.

I like Bayonetta, but let's not start saying that She's easier to represent than freaking Sonic now, shall we?

Maybe they went with Bayonetta because they consider her one of their own now? They are funding her series now after all. The same cannot be said with any other Smash 3rd party i'd wager.

Not a fact, though. I am not Nintendo so I can only make suppositions xD