Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[CBO0tz]

Here are some things that don't affect game play, that I would like to see improved in this coming Smash game.

• Metal Box turn Peach into Pink Gold Peach
• Super Leaf turn Luigi into Kitsune Luigi
• Corresponding colors for Koopa Klown Grab Arms
• S.S. Drake for Alph
• Diddy's jet pack from DKC Returns
  
• Princess Peach victory theme
• Dr. Mario victory theme
• New Zelda, Animal Crossing, and Star Fox designs
• Ganondorf with Ancient Armor
• Sheik's harp as a taunt or victory pose
• Ninten alt of Ness
• Leif alt of Marth
• Ms. Pac-Man alt of Pac-Man
• Return of Mr. Game & Watch's KO cry
• Rings from Sonic's KO
• More Sonic 3&K music
• Melee Menus SFX
• Jeff Manning as announcer

These are neat polish ideas. Though imo Marth should have Lucina as an alt, and Roy should have a Leif alt.

If they don't bother adding Ninten, then I'd be fine with Ness getting an alt of him, but until the game comes out and/or he's announced or not, I'm holding out hope for him lowkey.

I second most of these, and I'll also add in a few ideas of my own that I'd like to see:

• Luigi's Super Jump Punch sweetspot has either a POW Block sound effect or a 1-Up sound effect
• Ness and Lucas' F-Smash sweetspots have a Smaaaaaash!!! sprite appear next to them on-hit
• The rest of the Fire Emblem characters have their respective Fire Emblem hud and health meters appear on their Final Smashes.

 

[Chandeelure]

仲間を追ってみたところ、工事現場に到着しました！
みなさんとってもお忙しそうですが、一体何を作っているのでしょうか…。
え？今、「明日には完成…」と聞こえました！な、なんですって！？
間に合うのでしょうか…色んな意味でドキドキです～っ！！われわれも見守りたいと思います！ pic.twitter.com/K8AiAjegdU

— 星のカービィ (@Kirby_JP) April 26, 2018

Google Translate:

When I chased after my company, I arrived at the construction site!
Everyone seems to be very busy, but what on earth are you making ...?
Huh? I heard that, "It will be completed tomorrow ..." now! What, what! What?
Does it make it in time ... It is exciting various meanings ~ っ! ! We would like to watch over you!


I hope it's something cool.

 

[Gumzilla]

Ok here's a funny item idea! Kamaro's mask!

It is a special item that must be thrown at opponents! Once thrown if it lands on an opponent they will start doing Kamaro's dance for a few seconds allowing for combos! Some characters will have to have different animations due to their body shape or animation style (for example: Kirby, Mr. G&W and Pikachu)!

 

[CrusherMania1592]

The characters i think will be in the new Smash bros game are crash bandicoot, Spyro, Arms, rex & Decidueye.

Hell. Yes.


Welcome to the family

 

[Hinata]

仲間を追ってみたところ、工事現場に到着しました！
みなさんとってもお忙しそうですが、一体何を作っているのでしょうか…。
え？今、「明日には完成…」と聞こえました！な、なんですって！？
間に合うのでしょうか…色んな意味でドキドキです～っ！！われわれも見守りたいと思います！ pic.twitter.com/K8AiAjegdU

— 星のカービィ (@Kirby_JP) April 26, 2018

Google Translate:

When I chased after my company, I arrived at the construction site!
Everyone seems to be very busy, but what on earth are you making ...?
Huh? I heard that, "It will be completed tomorrow ..." now! What, what! What?
Does it make it in time ... It is exciting various meanings ~ っ! ! We would like to watch over you!


I hope it's something cool.

Completed tomorrow, huh? Interesting.

 

[MrReyes96]

I missed the voice discussion but i’d like to throw in zero suit Samus too
I never liked her brawl voice, it should definitely be updated
And get palurena’s uprising voice actress this time

Also R.I.P brawl falco’s “HANS OFA MAI BREAD”

 

[Opossum]

仲間を追ってみたところ、工事現場に到着しました！
みなさんとってもお忙しそうですが、一体何を作っているのでしょうか…。
え？今、「明日には完成…」と聞こえました！な、なんですって！？
間に合うのでしょうか…色んな意味でドキドキです～っ！！われわれも見守りたいと思います！ pic.twitter.com/K8AiAjegdU

— 星のカービィ (@Kirby_JP) April 26, 2018

Google Translate:

When I chased after my company, I arrived at the construction site!
Everyone seems to be very busy, but what on earth are you making ...?
Huh? I heard that, "It will be completed tomorrow ..." now! What, what! What?
Does it make it in time ... It is exciting various meanings ~ っ! ! We would like to watch over you!


I hope it's something cool.

Clearly this means Smash is releasing tomorrow.

 

[Knight Dude]

With Ganondorf, I don't think he needs a 100% redesign for his moves. His Side-B, Up Smash, F-Tilt and D-Tilt are unique attacks, and two(technically 3...sorta) reference Twilight Princess. But if he were to get some more changes(as many returning characters have gotten), a better jab would be nice. Same with his Neutral Special(even if it was just a sword/trident variation of the Warlock Punch). Maybe change some of his air attacks to be less similar to Falcon too.

I don't know, I just don't want him to be a boring sword only guy. Having some Punches and Kicks in there spices up the moveset. But I do think there's a solid middle ground between where he's at now and making him more like the way he is in the Zelda titles.

 

[MrReyes96]

Ganondorf just needs a few more tweaks to make him feel more like the character
Some dual sword moves for his smashes and jabs
And change his neutral special to deadman’s volley

Also I don’t know if anyone posted this during the Ganondorf discussion but just as good as grrring his hyrule warriors design would be getting a breath of the wild inspired one like this fan art I’m sure most of you have seen

 

[Icedragonadam]

You know it's strange. I really liked the TP Ganondorf design in Brawl but in 3DS/Wii U I ended up not liking it at all in that game.

 

[MrReyes96]

You know it's strange. I really liked the TP Ganondorf design in Brawl but in 3DS/Wii U I ended up not liking it at all in that game.

Link and Ganondorf definitely didn’t benefit from the art style change
TP Zelda tho looks better than in brawl

 

[Troykv]

You know it's strange. I really liked the TP Ganondorf design in Brawl but in 3DS/Wii U I ended up not liking it at all in that game.

Well it makes sense. TP Ganondorf fits perfectly with the gritty style of the Brawl... But Smash 3DS/Wii U is different, more cartoony (something that actually helped most of the characters, even the anime-like ones), but Ganondorf was one of the few exceptions.

 

[Danpal65]

You know it's strange. I really liked the TP Ganondorf design in Brawl but in 3DS/Wii U I ended up not liking it at all in that game.

Absolutely, his face looked super derp. I mean who thought this looked good for Ganondorf, King of Evil?

 

[NintendoKnight]

You know it's strange. I really liked the TP Ganondorf design in Brawl but in 3DS/Wii U I ended up not liking it at all in that game.

And for good reason, too.

You're comparing this devilishly handsome dude:

to this... monstrosity:

The one thing they got right was the glowing chest wound.

Edit: I just got 'd!

 

[Danpal65]

And for good reason, too.

You're comparing this devilishly handsome dude:

to this... monstrosity:

The one thing they got right was the glowing chest wound.

Edit: I just got 'd!

Have we been in sync or what?

 

[Tailisu10]

Link looks a bit odd, and Ganondorf looks very derpy.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Well I guess it makes sense. Brawl and Twilight Princess were emulating the brown games that were being released at the time.

Hopefully HW Ganondorf is used instead as it's much more colourful.

 

[Danpal65]

Well I guess it makes sense. Brawl and Twilight Princess were emulating the brown games that were being released at the time.

Hopefully HW Ganondorf is used instead as it's much more colourful.

Due to the art style Smash seems to be going for now I would love to see a BotW inspired Ganondorf. Link is going to look so good because of his BotW design with this art style and I think Ganondorf would work with it to if his design was changed to match Link's.

 

[Knight Dude]

Speaking of Mega Man do people think he may get an updated design, or would like hime to get a new one? Perhaps use the new one from Mega Man 11?

Some visual elements from MM11 wouldn't be too bad. Though I don't think he'll get taller like how he's depicted in that game's hand drawn art. Though the slight changes in his armor might be implemented. Funnily enough, his face in Smash 4 is already more like MM11 than in most other games, what with the larger pupils.

I also would like Mega Man to have a voice, since he can actually talk in his own games. Just some grunts, a "Take this" "Take that" "CHARGE SHOT" ect. ect. Would be fine. But I guess that's up to Capcom and Sakurai.

The Japanese version shows only this:

Whatever was written for the English version diverged from the Japanese too greatly and was not taken from the original script.

He still shows emotion in other games, Like MMPU, MM8, MM&B and MM10 for more obvious examples.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I doubt this Kirby thing is anything to do with Smash, but who knows? Would Sakurai let another series announce a newcomer themselves in their own way?

 

[JamesDNaux]

I don't see the problem here.

I found the problem.

There, fixed it.

 

[MrReyes96]

I still wish smash 4 would’ve gone with skyward sword designs, not even a moveset change. Skyward sword Link and Zelda would’ve looked great in 4’s art style. And s demise inspired Ganondorf too

 

[Knight Dude]

Oh, for anyone wondering if there's any different between the Smash 4 Mega Man design and Mega Man 11's Mega Man, there's a few.

Namely in the Boots being a little different. The collar on his shirt is also the darker blue than the lighter one, same on the joints. And his gloves are even darker. Again, these changes are pretty minor, especially since Mega Man's likely to keep his proportions from Smash 4, if he does return(he ****ing better). We've seen some characters get minor touch-ups between games.

Again, this likely depends on what Capcom/Sakurai would want.

 

[osby]

Not that I don't like Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf (he's pretty cool looking) but I wonder if they want to keep him in a same art style with Zelda and Link. Sakurai can ask for permission to make visual changes to the characters (like Samus's jet boots) so I wonder if we a get a "what-if" design for Ganondorf in Breath of the Wild style, and maybe Sheik too. Though it is kinda streching it.

 

[Sage of Ice]

仲間を追ってみたところ、工事現場に到着しました！
みなさんとってもお忙しそうですが、一体何を作っているのでしょうか…。
え？今、「明日には完成…」と聞こえました！な、なんですって！？
間に合うのでしょうか…色んな意味でドキドキです～っ！！われわれも見守りたいと思います！ pic.twitter.com/K8AiAjegdU

— 星のカービィ (@Kirby_JP) April 26, 2018

Google Translate:

When I chased after my company, I arrived at the construction site!
Everyone seems to be very busy, but what on earth are you making ...?
Huh? I heard that, "It will be completed tomorrow ..." now! What, what! What?
Does it make it in time ... It is exciting various meanings ~ っ! ! We would like to watch over you!


I hope it's something cool.

it could have something to do with Star Allies. maybe new Dream Friend DLC? not as cool as Smash news, but still fun.

so I wonder if we a get a "what-if" design for Ganondorf in Breath of the Wild style, and maybe Sheik too. Though it is kinda streching it.

sheik wouldn't be too hard, just adapt the Sheikah getup from the shop in kakariko.

 

[Koopaul]

Eh... His boots look way too big and heavy. I've always felt that seeing his artwork.

 

[osby]

A

He does have his moments:

 

[NintendoKnight]

He does have his moments:

If only he smiled more, he'd actually get better mileage out of his model.

I missed the cocky smirk he gave in Brawl.

 

[Knight Dude]

Eh... His boots look way too big and heavy. I've always felt that seeing his artwork.

MM11 look is at least a bit slimmer, without overdoing it.

Though agree to disagree I guess. I like the bulky look of the Mega Man and Mega Man X characters. Slimming them down too much makes them less unique.

 

[Gumzilla]

If Waluigi is added should we get Waluigi Pinball as a stage?

 

[Knight Dude]

If Waluigi is added should we get Waluigi Pinball as a stage?

Either way, I think we should. It's a fairly memorable Mario Kart Track, and it already has a remix in Smash. And a Pinball stage could have a neat gimmick.

 

[NintendoKnight]

If Waluigi is added should we get Waluigi Pinball as a stage?

For sure.

With hopefully these two pieces of music:

Oh, that's the good stuff.

 

[Gumzilla]

You know if I at least hear this song in the new Smash Bros I'll be fine!
https://youtu.be/vHORrWOvHzM

 

[Danpal65]

For sure.

With hopefully these two pieces of music:

Oh, that's the good stuff.

I have never heard the Mario Sports Mix version of Waluigi Pinball before but that sounds so suave and gangster. I now need this in my Smash Bros. game!

 

[osby]

I hope newcomers' fighting styles would be just as unpredictable as Smash for Wii U/3DS. Almost noone forseen the Rosalina's puppet fighting style or Robin's limited use of weapons. I wonder if we are ready for how ou-of-the-box newcomers might be.

 

[Knight Dude]

I hope newcomers' fighting styles would be just as unpredictable as Smash for Wii U/3DS. Almost noone forseen the Rosalina's puppet fighting style or Robin's limited use of weapons. I wonder if we are ready for how ou-of-the-box newcomers might be.

Still waiting on a true grappler. Or someone who's playstyle revolves around traps now that Snake is gone.

I think Either Dark Samus or Sylux could be a "trap" character with the Shock Mines or Phazon.

 

[Gumzilla]

So Sakurai didn't add three characters I can remember because he felt like they wouldn't fit in a fighting game. However now we have 2 of those characters! Let's complete the trilogy and introduce Nintendog because they'd be better as a playable character than an assist trophy!

 

[92MilesPrower]

So Sakurai didn't add three characters I can remember because he felt like they wouldn't fit in a fighting game. However now we have 2 of those characters! Let's complete the trilogy and introduce Nintendog because they'd be better as a playable character than an assist trophy!

Nintendog is literally just a realistic dog, not a cartoon one like the one from Duck Hunt, and that's a major issue, first off. You'd be playing as a generic Shiba Inu or Beagle, for example, not a specific character that's notable to Nintendo. The issue with Miis and Villager was that they didn't seem to really fit in the game because they didn't really do anything remotely violent in the games they were in originally. Sakurai then came up with a way to turn Miis into actual fighters by giving them cartoony and customizable weapons and movesets, and Villager would "fight" by doing various things they usually do in Animal Crossing in a wacky moveset somewhat like Mr. Game & Watch's moveset. But what in the world can a realistic dog do that'll make it viable for a playable role in Smash Bros.? Besides, Duck Hunt already has a dog that does pretty much everything that a dog fighter in Smash Bros. would even do, alongside a duck and the offscreen gunner giving it a more fleshed out moveset beyond what the dog would do alone.

Edit: Also, happy 100th post, I guess? Here, have a pretty cool Ness gif emoji:

 

[Jubileus57]

So Sakurai didn't add three characters I can remember because he felt like they wouldn't fit in a fighting game. However now we have 2 of those characters! Let's complete the trilogy and introduce Nintendog because they'd be better as a playable character than an assist trophy!

And trigger the ire of countless animal lovers and animal defender groups? I'm not sure that would be a smart move, these folks get triggered quite easily sometimes with reason, often not so much (PETA's Tanooki Mario and Cooking Mama spoof games anyone?)

I was worried about the reaction for Duck Hunt Duo back then for the same reason, although maybe them being overtly cartoony softened the thing a bit. But a realistic pet puppy getting gunned, lasered, kicked, punched, burnt, impaled, slashed, etc will probably elicit a really nasty reaction. And I'd, for once, agree with them.

EDIT: 'd

 

[SuperMii3D]

So the investor meeting confirmed that it's a new Smash Bros game!


"Specifically, we released Nintendo Labo in April as an offering of a new way to play, and then we are slated to release Mario Tennis Aces in June, as well as the latest entry from the popular series, Super Smash Bros. (temp.) within the year."

https://nintendoeverything.com/nint...ults-switch-sales-at-17-79-million-worldwide/