Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Swamp Sensei]

I'll never forget the time the Australian ratings board leaked Wario for Smash 4 because it said one character attacked by farting.

Nintendo: "No uh... Wario isn't in Smash Bros. We have nothing to confirm. Heh."

Fans: "Then who attacks by farting?"

Nintendo: "Rosalina?"

 

[Opossum]

Nintendo: "No uh... Wario isn't in Smash Bros. We have nothing to confirm. Heh."

Fans: "Then who attacks by farting?"

Nintendo: "Rosalina?"

She has a galaxy under her dress and those galaxies probably contain gas giants. Statement checks out.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

She has a galaxy under her dress and those galaxies probably contain gas giants. Statement checks out.

It's good because my fart joke is secretly a smart joke.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

It's good because my fart joke is secretly a smart joke.

Totally intentional, I'm sure.

 

[Zinith]

Nintendo: "No uh... Wario isn't in Smash Bros. We have nothing to confirm. Heh."

Fans: "Then who attacks by farting?"

Nintendo: "Rosalina?"

Well...

My boi's Down B IS called "Yoshi Bomb"

 

[Deleted member]

To be perfectly honest...

Medusa's only advantage is that she's historical and that she's an easy echo.

I wouldn't say easy echo.

A lot of what Palutena does cannot be properly imitated by Medusa. No, just because they are "equals" doesn't mean they are 1:1 identical, which people don't seem to realize.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I wouldn't say easy echo.

A lot of what Palutena does cannot be properly imitated by Medusa. No, just because they are "equals" doesn't mean they are 1:1 identical, which people don't seem to realize.

I'm gonna have to ask you what things.

She's got a staff and can use dark wings for smashes.

 

[Wademan94]

I wouldn't say easy echo.

A lot of what Palutena does cannot be properly imitated by Medusa. No, just because they are "equals" doesn't mean they are 1:1 identical, which people don't seem to realize.

Yeah I’m not entirely convinced myself that Medusa would be a perfect echo for

 

[ZelDan]

I wouldn't say easy echo.

A lot of what Palutena does cannot be properly imitated by Medusa. No, just because they are "equals" doesn't mean they are 1:1 identical, which people don't seem to realize.

I've always thought that too. It's been a while since I played kid Icarus Uprising, or a KI in general, but I don't recall medusa havging much that is too similar to what Palutena does in Smash. If Medusa was an echo, they'd have to take some liberties I'd imagine. they could make Medusa's neutral B have the beams of lights replaced by a snakes I suppose. the teleport mover could just be a teleport...I guess. Outside of that, uhhh...

 

[Deleted member]

I'm gonna have to ask you what things.

She's got a staff and can use dark wings for smashes.

Staff is completely different design to where "twirly blunt force" techniques don't make sense.
Dress completely covers her legs so no flexibility or kicks.
No Shield.

That's already three major differences that aren't merely aesthetic changes like "dark wings", "dark pillars of light", or "Underworld symbol instead of Palutena's halo".

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Nintendo: "No uh... Wario isn't in Smash Bros. We have nothing to confirm. Heh."

Fans: "Then who attacks by farting?"

Nintendo: "Rosalina?"

Her farts make a new galaxy

Staff is completely different design to where "twirly blunt force" techniques don't make sense.
Dress completely covers her legs so no flexibility or kicks.
No Shield.

That's already three major differences that aren't merely aesthetic changes like "dark wings", "dark pillars of light", or "Underworld symbol instead of Palutena's halo".

easy solution to that...Viridi aged up or in a new body form (since some and Palutena flat out say what we see isn’t their real forms...**** that tease)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Staff is completely different design to where "twirly blunt force" techniques don't make sense.

Eh? Medusa could still easily do that. I don't see the problem there. It's not the fact that the attack doesn't make real world sense, its if it makes "game sense."

Dress completely covers her legs so no flexibility or kicks.

I'm pretty sure you could do Palutena's kicks with a full dress. Zelda does a very similar kick.

No Shield.

Those could be her "unique" attacks like Chrom's recovery.

 

[Blargg888]

Well, aside from the Let’s Go Pikachu and Eeve spirits, I currently have every spirit currently available in Smash Ultimate. All 1300 of them.

My first spirit was Venusaur, and my last was Twinrova.

Also, apparently Venusaur is Spirit #420.

So I guess you could say I began my Smash Ultimate experience in high spirits.

 

[Wademan94]

Spoiler: Just to put things into perspective...

Here’s Medusa’s Uprising battle:

Make of this what you will.

Well, aside from the Let’s Go Pikachu and Eeve spirits, I currently have every spirit currently available in Smash Ultimate. All 1300 of them.

My first spirit was Venusaur, and my last was Twinrova.

Also, apparently Venusaur is Spirit #420.

So I guess you could say I began my Smash Ultimate experience in high spirits.

No. Just no.

 

[Idon]

People still trying to say some echoes don't make sense when we have a Dark Samus firing bio-missiles and laying egg bombs.

And besides, Palutena's dress already stretches anyways.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Spoiler: Just to put things into perspective...

Here’s Medusa’s Uprising battle:

Make of this what you will.

It doesn't really matter. We have Dark Samus as an Echo. Makes as much sense as a Medusa Echo to be frank.

 

[Deleted member]

Go to number 2 here
https://www.thetoptens.com/video-games/

Not dising brawl or anything but i found this kind of interesting

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Medusa's actual dress is not like Palutena's either. Palutena's is more like an open dress(actually comparable to Gardevoir), where Medusa's is far more like Zelda's, which is way more limited. Overall, the dress type attacks don't work at all due to rather big model differences. I could imagine her being a regular clone, with smaller changes.

Also, Dark Samus is a pretty poor example. Yeah, she could be better, but she literally is using one of Samus' suits, just effectively recolored. Her model is almost literally identical bar the aesthetics and a slightly different arm cannon(but the difference has zero effect on gameplay). It has nothing to do with attacks, as Medusa could easily have recolored/edited ones. Her proper model and dress, nor the staff, really matches up. She's designed too differently to work as an echo.

 

[Deleted member]

"Muh Dark Samus..."

....has the same basic design as Samus. This is why even if there is slight tweaking such as the more erratic and floaty animations, she can still fuction properly as what is basically a glorified alternate costume.

Medusa is not an exact match for Palutena.

I really wish people would put more thought into the Echo argument.

Not that it matters since clearly Medusa wasn't getting in either way. If she was an "easy Echo", why isn't she one?

 

[Idon]

Medusa's actual dress is not like Palutena's either. Palutena's is more like an open dress(actually comparable to Gardevoir), where Medusa's is far more like Zelda's, which is way more limited. Overall, the dress type attacks don't work at all due to rather big model differences. I could imagine her being a regular clone, with smaller changes.

Also, Dark Samus is a pretty poor example. Yeah, she could be better, but she literally is using one of Samus' suits, just effectively recolored. Her model is almost literally identical bar the aesthetics and a slightly different arm cannon(but the difference has zero effect on gameplay). It has nothing to do with attacks, as Medusa could easily have recolored/edited ones. Her proper model and dress, nor the staff, really matches up. She's designed too differently to work as an echo.

But that's the thing.
The dress doesn't matter when the "open dress" design isn't ever used in a meaningful way.
Her leg doesn't come out of the dress nor does the dress ever not hide her legs.
What does happen is the dress streeeeeetches unrealistically to cover that.
It is essentially a normal dress with a slice of transparency over it.

Look at the gifs and tell me that any dress wouldn't be capable of doing the exact same stretching.

Also the Dark Samus reference is to show characters can use moves and attacks they've never done before if that's what it took to fill the echo mark.

 

[ClaTheBae]

NineS: *claims ClaTheBae "gifted us with [the shown] image", which clearly contains what appears to be a girl*
ClaTheBae: *has sex set to "Male" in their Profile*
Girl in Picture: *is wearing an Emil head*
NineS: *known for sporting Emil in their PFP and Sig, Profile is also set to "Male"*

Okay, I know I shouldn't be, but I'm confused. Is that Cla's girlfriend or something?

yeah so one time I went to see this girl and I had her write down "hey smashboards" on a sign and I took a pic of it and uploaded it here to prove I was a megachad or whatever (really just did it for fun)
We dated and ended up not working but yeah thats the story of that image.

 

[KMDP]

Well, aside from the Let’s Go Pikachu and Eeve spirits, I currently have every spirit currently available in Smash Ultimate. All 1300 of them.

My first spirit was Venusaur, and my last was Twinrova.

Also, apparently Venusaur is Spirit #420.

So I guess you could say I began my Smash Ultimate experience in high spirits.

My first Spirit was Don Flamenco, and my last was Incineroar (I don't remember what my last non-Fighter Spirit was).

 

[Deleted member]

TBFH, if you have to stretch ideas and make "exceptions" to make Medusa work as an Echo, then she really isn't an "easy Echo", now is she?

You can throw your "Dark Samuses" and your "Chroms" or your "Kens" in people's faces all day.
I just have one counter.

Isabelle is based off of Villager. She pockets items and rides on a balloon swing. However, she is not an Echo Fighter.

This is because Isabelle and Villager have fundamentally different body types and personalities, so we couldn’t have made her an Echo. All of her animations are different; not a single one is the same.

If you have to tweak so many of Palutena's animations JUST to make Medusa "work" with her own identity and still function as an Echo, how is she an "easy Echo"?
What makes her possible but not Isabelle?

 

[Will]

why you all arguing about medusa when hades is clearly the better option

 

[Cutie Gwen]

We finally know who characters get in Smash

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Play Order Of Ecclesia

 

[Will]

We finally know who characters get in Smash

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Play Order Of Ecclesia

kirby ballin with that mommy kink

 

[Wademan94]

why you all arguing about medusa when hades is clearly the better option

If we can’t see Medusa as Palutena’s echo, think of the changes needed to make Hades her echo...



Nobody wants to see Hades in that dress.

We better stop.

 

[Will]

If we can’t see Medusa as Palutena’s echo, think of the changes needed to make Hades her echo...



Nobody wants to see Hades in that dress.

We better stop.

yeah remember when chrom was forced to wear roy's armor

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Spoiler: Just to put things into perspective...

Here’s Medusa’s Uprising battle:

Make of this what you will.

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No. Just no.

1. Medusa still hot tho
2. Snoop Dogg for a Pokémon Trainer alt confirmed specifically for Ivysaur

People still trying to say some echoes don't make sense when we have a Dark Samus firing bio-missiles and laying egg bombs.

And besides, Palutena's dress already stretches anyways.

Don’t mind me...just enjoying the Palutena viewing

Not that it matters since clearly Medusa wasn't getting in either way. If she was an "easy Echo", why isn't she one?

*remembers the Shadow the Hedgehog dream that ended up dying in a flash*

Nobody wants to see Hades in that dress.

Spoiler: don’t spread lies and bull****

 

[Wademan94]

yeah remember when chrom was forced to wear roy's armor

<-(Joke)

Will

 

[Diem]

Well, aside from the Let’s Go Pikachu and Eeve spirits, I currently have every spirit currently available in Smash Ultimate. All 1300 of them.

My first spirit was Venusaur, and my last was Twinrova.

Also, apparently Venusaur is Spirit #420.

So I guess you could say I began my Smash Ultimate experience in high spirits.

Working on getting Mew by beating the final boss segment without getting KO'd. Came so goddamn close last month that it hurts. Haven't tried much since then, as I've been busy with other stuff. If you didn't have to do the whole ascent/boss rush sections before doing the final boss, it wouldn't be that bad. Those parts aren't too difficult and I rarely have trouble with them. But having to do all of that just to reattempt the actual final boss is just tedious and grating.

Made a couple of attempts today. Got pretty close on the first attempt, but made some mistakes and in the end was surprised by an attack I either hadn't seen before or forgot about. The second attempt was ended by Dracula as I somehow got comboed by him. Don't really know how that happened, it's a blur.

My problem is that I'm trying to do it with just Dark Samus, though I could probably do it much more easily with Olimar or something else that can cheese the bosses. But I'd just like to be able to say I did it with Dark Samus, rather than whatever's easiest. Since it takes so long just to reattempt the final boss, though, I might have to just cut my losses and stop letting the game waste my time.

 

[Will]

<(Joke)

Will

jokes arent jokes if you barely telegraph it as one

 

[Wademan94]

1. Medusa still hot tho
2. Snoop Dogg for a Pokémon Trainer alt confirmed specifically for Ivysaur

Spoiler: don’t spread lies and bull****

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1. Wasn’t referring to the thumbnail but okay.
2. That mental image, just...wow

Okay, ALMOST no one

 

[Deleted member]

Nobody wants to see Hades in that dress.

.....dammit, now I do.

*remembers the Shadow the Hedgehog dream that ended up dying in a flash*
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Honestly, Shadow is the biggest case of an "easy Echo" out there since he was literally designed to be Sonic's "Echo" in-series.
The fact he isn't one is shocking....

 

[Wademan94]

jokes arent jokes if you barely telegraph it as one

Spoiler: Spoilers for Uprising

Skip to 2:42

I was referencing that line from Hades...

 

[Deleted member]

We have covered 23 pages today so if we keep up this pace we have about 2 and a half days left for this thread

 

[ZephyrZ]

Make Hades an Incineroar echo. I want to see him strike a pose after every attack.

 

[KMDP]

Working on getting Mew by beating the final boss segment without getting KO'd. Came so goddamn close last month that it hurts. Haven't tried much since then, as I've been busy with other stuff. If you didn't have to do the whole ascent/boss rush sections before doing the final boss, it wouldn't be that bad. Those parts aren't too difficult and I rarely have trouble with them. But having to do all of that just to reattempt the actual final boss is just tedious and grating.

Made a couple of attempts today. Got pretty close on the first attempt, but made some mistakes and in the end was surprised by an attack I either hadn't seen before or forgot about. The second attempt was ended by Dracula as I somehow got comboed by him. Don't really know how that happened, it's a blur.

My problem is that I'm trying to do it with just Dark Samus, though I could probably do it much more easily with Olimar or something else that can cheese the bosses. But I'd just like to be able to say I did it with Dark Samus, rather than whatever's easiest. Since it takes so long just to reattempt the final boss, though, I might have to just cut my losses and stop letting the game waste my time.

I suppose I'm either really good or just insanely lucky, because I got the "Do the Final Boss without KOs" challenge on my first "attempt" (I had already beaten the boss normally). #Humblebrag

I got the challenge by doing it as Ganondorf on Easy, I got "close" to dying a couple of times, but only in terms of my damage getting a bit too high for comfort, I was never really in any danger.

Here's some advice though, not sure if you need it or know this stuff already, but I'll hedge my bets:

• During the final phase, there's no real rush; Galeem and Dharkon will hurt each other, try to focus more on evading and blocking their attacks, only attacking when the opportunity presents itself.
• On Easy Mode during the First Phase; Warlock Punch can stop the part where Galeem and Dharkon gradually take up more and more of the screen in one hit (not sure if this applies to other modes).
• During the second phase, a Maxim Tomato will spawn after every two bosses you defeat (again, on Easy, not sure about other modes), these Tomatos will stick around between Boss fights.

 

[Zinith]

AHHHHHH!!! And it's only 7 bucks!!!

 

[Wademan94]

AHHHHHH!!! And it's only 7 bucks!!!

I need dis as well.