Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Impa4Smash]

Okay who thought the Giga Mac spirit battle was okay? He can kill you in like three his, has massive hitboxes and doesn't flinch and will outrange even tether grabs with his attacks. I ended up cheesing him with a revenge boosted Incineroar Side B at the walk off and I am 100% convinced cheesing him with lame strategies like that are the only one who beat him.

It was the hardest spirit battle in the game, by far. Little Mac was ironically the only one who could beat him for me, after many many tries

 

[PLATINUM7]

I just joined and I have a few questions,

1 could somebody please direct me to a Ultimate tier list that is not painfully inaccurate if there even is one

2 How do I make a thread?

1. It's still going to take some time for any tier list to be truly accurate.

2. Go to the appropriate subforum and click the post thread button near the top.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay who thought the Giga Mac spirit battle was okay? He can kill you in like three his, has massive hitboxes and doesn't flinch and will outrange even tether grabs with his attacks. I ended up cheesing him with a revenge boosted Incineroar Side B at the walk off and I am 100% convinced cheesing him with lame strategies like that are the only one who beat him.

That sounds horrible. I haven't gotten to him yet, although I do have Pauline sitting as the lone Spirit Battle left uncompleted in the city area.

I'm not even gonna bother until I find Bowser, TBH.

 

[kylexv]

Here's what I would do for Nintendo vs. Capcom. Limited myself to 25 per company with 1 secret character for each, sort of like what CvS did with Evil Ryu and Orochi Iori:

Spoiler

Nintendo:

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Wario
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Ridley
Kirby
Meta Knight
Fox
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario
Captain Falcon
Pit
Marth
Chrom
Villager
Little Mac
Inkling
Metal Mario

Capcom:
Ryu
Ken
Chun Li
M. Bison
Mega Man
Dr. Wily
Zero
Tron Bonne
Morrigan
Jedah
Leon S. Kennedy
Wesker
Dante
Arthur
Captain Commando
Nina (Breath of Fire)
Batsu
Strider
Amaterasu
Asura
Viewtiful Joe
Monster Hunter
Mike Haggar
Frank West
Phoenix Wright
Evil Ryu

 

[Iridium]

The website has a headcanon now.

Charizard disobeying its trainer just to fight sounds pretty believable.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Here's what I would do for Nintendo vs. Capcom. Limited myself to 25 per company with 1 secret character for each:

Spoiler

Nintendo:

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Wario
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Ridley
Kirby
Meta Knight
Fox
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario
Captain Falcon
Pit
Marth
Chrom
Villager
Little Mac
Inkling
Metal Mario

Capcom:
Ryu
Ken
Chun Li
M. Bison
Mega Man
Dr. Wily
Zero
Tron Bonne
Morrigan
Jedah
Leon S. Kennedy
Wesker
Dante
Arthur
Captain Commando
Nina (Breath of Fire)
Batsu
Strider
Amaterasu
Asura
Viewtiful Joe
Monster Hunter
Mike Haggar
Frank West
Phoenix Wright
Evil Ryu

>Metal Mario.

Kek.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Captain Falcon is basically, the Morrigan of Smash Bros...

His original franchise might be dead, but he lives on as a mainstay in the massive company crossover, just because he's been part of it since the first game

still sad of him to have no career other than Smash (atleast weren’t meant to have a full franchise and had games that finished their series up nicely...though also made it possible to make multiple sequels and spinoffs if somebody had the balls to do so)...all has to keep himself relevant is Smash, with literally less than no hope in getting a sequel

Gohan was playable in Jump Super and Ultimate Stars for the DS.

That’s good to hear...now for him to join Jump Force

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Ideal Nintendo v Capcom Roster

Mario
Bowser
Kirby
Meta Knight
Link
Zelda
Yoshi
Rosalina and Luma
Phirana Plant
Donkey Kong
Ganondorf
King K Rool
Bayonetta
Spring Man
Inkling
Diddy Kong
Sulk
Elma
Marth
Samus
Ridley
Zero Suit
Isaac
King Dedede
Mr. Game And Watch
Pit
Palutena
Rex and Pyra
Captain Falcon
Ness
Pikachu
Charizard
Mewtwo
Isabelle
Arthur
Chris Redfield
Chun-Li
Dante
Firebrand
Frank West
Jedah Dohma
Mike Haggar
Monster Hunter
Sigma
Ryu
Ken
Mega Man
M. Bison
Nemesis

exactly my problem. Its already mostly the cast from Smash but in a vs capcom

its boring

atleast when its something like Tatsu/Jump/Sega/Konami/SNK vs Capcom its more interesting cause a lot of those would be entirely new to experience with its characters

also that capcom list is horrible

 

[Michael the Spikester]

That’s good to hear...now for him to join Jump Force

I'll be surprised if he's not in. Let alone Trunks over Gohan.

 

[Noipoi]

It was the hardest spirit battle in the game, by far. Little Mac was ironically the only one who could beat him for me, after many many tries

Baby Bowser, Sukapon and Pauline were harder, in my opinion. Giga Mac didn't give me too much trouble once I had the right spirits.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Speaking of the Pauline one. I managed to only win that by pure luck of Peach killing herself.

No wonder people didn't like 75 M...

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I'll be surprised if he's not in. Let alone Trunks over Gohan.

Same here

Speaking of the Pauline one. I managed to only win that by pure luck of Peach killing herself.

No wonder people didn't like 75 M...

I quit and bought her...got to annoyed with it after only 5-10 tries

 

[Masked Marshmallow]

Someone datamined that Link is gonna be in Mario Tennis Aces. At this point we are going to discover all of the next Direct's content before it's even announced.

 

[Impa4Smash]

Baby Bowser, Sukapon and Pauline were harder, in my opinion. Giga Mac didn't give me too much trouble once I had the right spirits.

Pauline was easy to beat if you had the staff at least, but yeah Sukapon and Baby Bowser were rough. Also Dr. Willy was just...unfair, like what sick mind thought of that

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Off topic but my most wants for Jump Force are Hiei, Katsuki Bakugou and Kenpachi Zaraki.

If you really think about besides different gameplay. Jump Stars is basically Weekly Shonen Jump's answer Super Smash Bros. and even then predates it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famicom_Jump:_Hero_Retsuden

*Mind blown*

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The Boss was the hardest mission.

Everyone else was okay.

 

[Knight Dude]

Gohan was playable in Jump Super and Ultimate Stars for the DS.

Man, instead of Jump Force I really wish they made a new Jump Ultimate Stars. It had a lot of cool characters and a fairly large roster. Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Frieza, Gotenks, Buu, Yusuke, Hiei, Kurama, Kenshiro, Roah, Jotaro, Dio and like 20 more characters.

Here's what I would do for Nintendo vs. Capcom. Limited myself to 25 per company with 1 secret character for each, sort of like what CvS did with Evil Ryu and Orochi Iori:

Spoiler

Nintendo:

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Wario
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Samus
Ridley
Kirby
Meta Knight
Fox
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario
Captain Falcon
Pit
Marth
Chrom
Villager
Little Mac
Inkling
Metal Mario

Capcom:
Ryu
Ken
Chun Li
M. Bison
Mega Man
Dr. Wily
Zero
Tron Bonne
Morrigan
Jedah
Leon S. Kennedy
Wesker
Dante
Arthur
Captain Commando
Nina (Breath of Fire)
Batsu
Strider
Amaterasu
Asura
Viewtiful Joe
Monster Hunter
Mike Haggar
Frank West
Phoenix Wright
Evil Ryu

Seems like a pretty balanced roster I guess. Though I'd put Dark Samus instead of Metal Mario, since she's pretty much an Evil Ryu type, and Maybe instead of E. Ryu, Akuma himself. I'd probably go with Mega Man, MMX, Zero(MMZ) and Tron for the Mega Man characters myself.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Pauline was easy to beat if you had the staff at least, but yeah Sukapon and Baby Bowser were rough. Also Dr. Willy was just...unfair, like what sick mind thought of that

Was Dr. Wily the stamina mode battle aginast several metal Mega Men? Using Mega Man himself and metal blade completely removed the challenge.

Was probably one of the few spirit challenges where I had to switch characters though. Tipper Marth made short work of nearly everything else. Baby Bowser, no problem. Sukapon, no problem. Giga Mac, no problem. Just tippers for days.

 

[Knight Dude]

The Boss wasn't the hardest mission.

Everyone else was okay.

I've had problems with the Mega Man X spirit(and he hasn't shown up for me in forever). Meanwhile Sigma and Zero were easy as hell. The Boss I haven't beaten yet, but I've made a lot of progress on.

Wily and Pauline are a pain though.

 

[Garteam]

Does

If Super Smash Bros. vs. Jump Stars was an actual game. Who'd be your mains from both sides?

Mine would be King K. Rool and Izuku Midoriya.

Joseph Joestar would definitely be my main from the Jump side (still praying he makes it into Jump Force), while I would probably have Ness or a Fire Emblem character for my Nintendo main.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Does

Joseph Joestar would definitely be my main from the Jump side (still praying he makes it into Jump Force), while I would probably have Ness or a Fire Emblem character for my Nintendo main.

Young or old Joseph though?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Man, instead of Jump Force I really wish they made a new Jump Ultimate Stars. It had a lot of cool characters and a fairly large roster. Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Frieza, Gotenks, Buu, Yusuke, Hiei, Kurama, Kenshiro, Roah, Jotaro, Dio and like 20 more characters.

Agreed. From what I know Jump Force not counting possible DLC will have only 45 characters. Should have way more then that so then people can start making comparisons between it and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

 

[kylexv]

If Super Smash Bros. vs. Jump Stars was an actual game. Who'd be your mains from both sides?

Mine would be King K. Rool and Izuku Midoriya.

Nintendo: Probably Bowser and Ganondorf just like in Ultimate
Jump Stars: Would probably go for Gohan, Midoriya, and DIO first.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

This would make for such a legit crossover storyline.

Super Smash Bros. (Nintendo)/Jump Force (Weekly Shonen Jump)
Premise: When an unknown phenomenon causes two multiverses to collide with one another. The heroes from both sides must band together to find the cause and fix it.

Too bad I don't have what it takes to do such a massive crossover because this would be so legit of a storyline. Among the fights I'd definitely have is King K. Rool vs. Endeavor and Bakugou vs. Ridley. With the latter I'm just picturing a part in the story where Bakugou for the first time in his life being unsettled by a villain because of the pure malice and evil Ridley gives off and for once takes a fight quite seriously rather then boasting.

Another idea would be that once both multiverses fuses together it sends both heroes and villains all over the place lost eventually meeting with one another until all banding together overtime. Think SubSpace Emissary such as Bakugou teaming up with Samus upon having an encounter with Ridley.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

The Boss was the hardest mission.

Everyone else was okay.

The Boss felt easy compared to Pauline and Wily...maybe cause I abused spirits and Chrom for that fight

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Ideal Nintendo v Capcom Roster

Mario
Bowser
Kirby
Meta Knight
Link
Zelda
Donkey Kong
Ganondorf
King K Rool
Bayonetta
Spring Man
Inkling
Diddy Kong
Sulk
Elma
Marth
Samus
Ridley
Zero Suit
Isaac
King Dedede
Mr. Game And Watch
Pit
Palutena
Rex and Pyra
Captain Falcon
Ness
Pikachu
Charizard
Mewtwo
Isabelle
Arthur
Chris Redfield
Chun-Li
Dante
Firebrand
Frank West
Jedah Dohma
Mike Haggar
Monster Hunter
Sigma
Ryu
Ken
Mega Man
M. Bison
Nemesis

My Nintendo Vs Capcom Roster

A couple of notes with my list, first

• 25 characters per company, making 50 in total
• I decided to prioritize Capcom franchises with Nintendo history, So if you're asking why Mega Man has 4 characters and Devil May Cry only has 2, that's why
• This was very tough, as both franchises have several crossover mainstays. So there are very few newcomers, with only 5, 2 on Nintendo's Side, and 3 on Capcom's side
• The Nintendo newcomers were kinda interesting to come up with, as all of the major Nintendo franchise are already represented in Smash. because of this, I decided to add some slightly obscure characters as the newcomers
• This is my own personal biased opinion, so there might be some very controversial picks... (Including a certain character on Nintendo's side)
• I'm open to feedback, so if you have either any criticisms or suggestions on how to improve my roster, feel free to do so...

Nintendo Side

Spoiler: Nintendo Side

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Yoshi
6. Donkey Kong
7. Samus
8. Link
9. Zelda
10. Samus
11. Kirby
12. Fox
13. Pikachu
14. Mewtwo
15. Ness
16. Captain Falcon
17. Marth
18. Pit
19. Olimar
20. Isabelle
21. Little Mac
22. Shulk
23. Inkling
24. Takamaru (Nintendo Newcomer)
25. Rhythm Reporter (Nintendo Newcomer)

Capcom Side

Spoiler: Capcom Side

1. Ryu
2. Chun Li
3. Guile
4. M. Bison
5. Mega Man
6. Dr Wily (Capcom Newcomer)
7. Zero
8. Tron Bonne
9. Leon (Capcom Newcomer)
10. Jill
11. Nemesis
12. Dante
13. Vergil
14. Morrigan
15. Mike Haggar
16. Phoenix Wright
17. Monster Hunter
18. Sir Arthur
19. Amaterasu
20. Zack & Wiki (Capcom Newcomer)
21. Strider Hiryu
22. Frank West
23. Viewtiful Joe
24. Rad Spencer (No dreadlocks Nathan this time, just good ol' 80's Rad)
25. Captain Commando

 

[PLATINUM7]

This would make for such a legit crossover storyline.

Super Smash Bros. (Nintendo)/Jump Force (Weekly Shonen Jump)
Premise: When an unknown phenomenon causes two multiverses to collide with one another. The heroes from both sides must band together to find the cause and fix it.

90% of crossovers use that premise.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

My Nintendo Vs Capcom Roster

A couple of notes with my list, first

• 25 characters per company, making 50 in total
• I decided to prioritize Capcom franchises with Nintendo history, So if you're asking why Mega Man has 4 characters and Devil May Cry only has 2, that's why
• This was very tough, as both franchises have several crossover mainstays. So there are very few newcomers, with only 5, 2 on Nintendo's Side, and 3 on Capcom's side
• The Nintendo newcomers were kinda interesting to come up with, as all of the major Nintendo franchise are already represented in Smash. because of this, I decided to add some slightly obscure characters as the newcomers
• This is my own personal biased opinion, so there might be some very controversial picks... (Including a certain character on Nintendo's side)
• I'm open to feedback, so if you have any suggestions on how to improve my roster, feel free to do so...

Spoiler: Nintendo Side

Nintendo Side

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Yoshi
6. Donkey Kong
7. Samus
8. Link
9. Zelda
10. Samus
11. Kirby
12. Fox
13. Pikachu
14. Mewtwo
15. Ness
16. Captain Falcon
17. Marth
18. Pit
19. Olimar
20. Isabelle
21. Little Mac
22. Shulk
23. Inkling
24. Takamaru (Nintendo Newcomer)
25. Rhythm Reporter (Nintendo Newcomer)

Spoiler: Capcom Side

Capcom Side

1. Ryu
2. Chun Li
3. Guile
4. M. Bison
5. Mega Man
6. Dr Wily (Capcom Newcomer)
7. Zero
8. Tron Bonne
9. Leon (Capcom Newcomer)
10. Jill
11. Nemesis
12. Dante
13. Vergil
14. Morrigan
15. Mike Haggar
16. Phoenix Wright
17. Monster Hunter
18. Sir Arthur
19. Amaterasu
20. Zack & Wiki (Capcom Newcomer)
21. Strider Hiryu
22. Frank West
23. Viewtiful Joe
24. Rad Spencer (No dreadlocks Nathan this time, just good ol' 80's Rad)
25. Captain Commando

How dare you leave out Captain Rainbow...the 2nd greatest Nintendo character to never join America through his own game

 

[Michael the Spikester]

90% of crossovers use that premise.

I'm aware I just don't know what other way it could be done besides that.

 

[Iridium]

My Nintendo Vs Capcom Roster

A couple of notes with my list, first

• 25 characters per company, making 50 in total
• I decided to prioritize Capcom franchises with Nintendo history, So if you're asking why Mega Man has 4 characters and Devil May Cry only has 2, that's why
• This was very tough, as both franchises have several crossover mainstays. So there are very few newcomers, with only 5, 2 on Nintendo's Side, and 3 on Capcom's side
• The Nintendo newcomers were kinda interesting to come up with, as all of the major Nintendo franchise are already represented in Smash. because of this, I decided to add some slightly obscure characters as the newcomers
• This is my own personal biased opinion, so there might be some very controversial picks... (Including a certain character on Nintendo's side)
• I'm open to feedback, so if you have any suggestions on how to improve my roster, feel free to do so...

Nintendo Side

Spoiler: Nintendo Side

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Yoshi
6. Donkey Kong
7. Samus
8. Link
9. Zelda
10. Samus
11. Kirby
12. Fox
13. Pikachu
14. Mewtwo
15. Ness
16. Captain Falcon
17. Marth
18. Pit
19. Olimar
20. Isabelle
21. Little Mac
22. Shulk
23. Inkling
24. Takamaru (Nintendo Newcomer)
25. Rhythm Reporter (Nintendo Newcomer)

Capcom Side

Spoiler: Capcom Side

1. Ryu
2. Chun Li
3. Guile
4. M. Bison
5. Mega Man
6. Dr Wily (Capcom Newcomer)
7. Zero
8. Tron Bonne
9. Leon (Capcom Newcomer)
10. Jill
11. Nemesis
12. Dante
13. Vergil
14. Morrigan
15. Mike Haggar
16. Phoenix Wright
17. Monster Hunter
18. Sir Arthur
19. Amaterasu
20. Zack & Wiki (Capcom Newcomer)
21. Strider Hiryu
22. Frank West
23. Viewtiful Joe
24. Rad Spencer (No dreadlocks Nathan this time, just good ol' 80's Rad)
25. Captain Commando

I only respect the Strider Hiryu pick.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

90% of crossovers use that premise.

Probably because it's the only one that really makes sense.

 

[Knight Dude]

So, anyone wanna talk about a Tekken character in Smash? I know that's not in the current rumor mill going on now, but it hasn't been completely shut down yet either from what I can tell.

90% of crossovers use that premise.

Find me a company wide crossover that doesn't.

 

[Kingslime304]

Well great now I want Bowser jrs moveset to be based on his Bowser jrs journey incarnation as a summoning type of playstyle. Most notably his down special.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

So, anyone wanna talk about a Tekken character in Smash? I know that's not in the current rumor mill going on now, but it hasn't been completely shut down yet either from what I can tell.

Negan for Smash.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Probably because it's the only one that really makes sense.

Fair point.

Find me a company wide crossover that doesn't.

The ones that don't have a story kek

 

[Knight Dude]

Negan for Smash.

Dammit, that's not what I meant.

I want to hear people's current opinions, or moveset ideas, even if it's really basic. Or stage ideas. The Tekken 4 Arena would make a good stage if Heihachi is picked as the Tekken character. But if it's Jin, I think Jin's Tekken 3 stage would be a no-brainer, It showed up in T3, TTT1, and Tekken Advance it was even remade in Tekken 6 and Tekken TAG 2 to an extent.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Negan for Smash.

Negan and the rest of the Walking Dead franchise for taking it out back like Old Yeller and putting it out of it's misery----

 

[PLATINUM7]

Dammit, that's not what I meant.
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I want to hear people's current opinions, or moveset ideas, even if it's really basic. Or stage ideas. The Tekken 4 Arena would make a good stage if Heihachi is picked as the Tekken character. But if it's Jin, I think Jin's Tekken 3 stage would be a no-brainer, It showed up in T3, TTT1, and Tekken Advance it was even remade in Tekken 6 and Tekken TAG 2 to an extent.

Fine.

Gon for Smash.

I think a stage designed with a detailed black an white manga artstyle would look interesting. Throw in a bunch of animals in the background too.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Gosh I need to go get myself a micro SD card before the next patch drops. I just want through my recordings and saw that I had a pretty cool Charizard 0-to-Death that I forgot I had.

Man it's crazy how scrubby my Squirtle used to be. This match was probably less then a month ago and I'm still shaking my head at how I played him and Ivy. I'll probably think the same thing about my current Squirtle next month to...I've never really seriously played a character with such stubby range before so I've still got a lot of room to grow with him.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

Negan and the rest of the Walking Dead franchise for taking it out back like Old Yeller and putting it out of it's misery----

Negan should just put the whole show out of its misery 'cause it's awful now, but that's besides the point...

Dammit, that's not what I meant.

I want to hear people's current opinions, or moveset ideas, even if it's really basic. Or stage ideas. The Tekken 4 Arena would make a good stage if Heihachi is picked as the Tekken character. But if it's Jin, I think Jin's Tekken 3 stage would be a no-brainer, It showed up in T3, TTT1, and Tekken Advance it was even remade in Tekken 6 and Tekken TAG 2 to an extent.

Fine, how about Bob then?

(I don't really know anything about Tekken...)