Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77341865

Grinch leak 2: electric boogaloo

Monster Hunter would be alright.
You're out of your ****ing mind if we're getting 23 Monster Hunter songs, though.

 

[Deleted member]

yall act surprised for every smash reveal

No one was surprised about them specifically, just the fact Smash was announced right then and there and not at say, E3.
Most believed he was a lost cause because of what Sakurai said. And at this point, Vergeben hadn't really proven himself yet so to start with Ridley of all characters left people highly skeptical.
After Snake was shown to be back and Ridley's reveal, only those who doubted Vergeben and argued Ridley was "obvious" were surprised.
A legitimate surprise to everyone. You cannot deny this.
Another people felt was a lost cause after Smash 4. But unlike Ridley, there was no legitimate leak. So there was no way to even hypothetically PREPARE for his reveal.
Only thing surprising was that she wasn't an Echo. Everyone was set on her being an Echo of those who argued she'd get in.
Arguably the least surprising reveal outside of Inklings. After Richter and even before Vergeben said he was in, EVERYONE was expecting Ken. ALL the leaks had him, real AND fake.
Not so much "surprising" because he was leaked, but more that people were in heavy denial that he was showing up either because they believed in the "Grinch leak" more or because they were just so biased against him they convinced themselves Vergeben was full of **** on Incineroar specifically.
You wanna act like this WASN'T surprising in the least?
:Joker: Again, you wanna act like we'd not "never see it coming"?

Might want to not act so high and mighty here about how "everything" was surprising to us, because either it really wasn't or the surprise was LEGITIMATE.

 

[Pyra]

No one was surprised about them specifically, just the fact Smash was announced right then and there and not at say, E3.
Most believed he was a lost cause because of what Sakurai said. And at this point, Vergeben hadn't really proven himself yet so to start with Ridley of all characters left people highly skeptical.
After Snake was shown to be back and Ridley's reveal, only those who doubted Vergeben and argued Ridley was "obvious" were surprised.
A legitimate surprise to everyone. You cannot deny this.
Another people felt was a lost cause after Smash 4. But unlike Ridley, there was no legitimate leak. So there was no way to even hypothetically PREPARE for his reveal.
Only thing surprising was that she wasn't an Echo. Everyone was set on her being an Echo of those who argued she'd get in.
Arguably the least surprising reveal outside of Inklings. After Richter and even before Vergeben said he was in, EVERYONE was expecting Ken. ALL the leaks had him, real AND fake.
Not so much "surprising" because he was leaked, but more people were in heavy denial that he was showing up either because they believed in the "Grinch leak" more or because they were just so biased against him they convinced themselves Vergeben was full of **** on Incineroar specifically.
You wanna act like this WASN'T surprising in the least?
:Joker: Again, you wanna act like we didn't "see it coming"?

Might want to not act so high and mighty here about how "everything" was surprising to us, because either it really wasn't or the surprise was LEGITIMATE.

all of those were manga characters first, so of course they were surprising.

 

[Deleted member]

all of those were manga characters first, so of course they were surprising.

You get your mangos out of mah face!

 

[praline]

yall act surprised for every smash reveal

Surprised that the revealed characters actually look fun maybe.

 

[ChronoBound]

There was speculation earlier about whether there would be additional DLC (specifically newcomers) after the last character is added for the Fighter's Pass.

The best course of action is simply to believe that there are only four more newcomers left to be announced. While its possible that there might be a "second round" it does not sound likely with Sakurai mentioned that the team will be gradually downsizing over the next year. The game will also have exactly 80 fighters by Sakurai's count (since he counts Pokemon Trainer as a single fighter), and that might seem like a good number to end on. There is also the fact that Sakurai has been working on Smash Bros. nearly nonstop since 2012 (meaning if DLC wraps up in February 2020, then he will have been working on Smash Bros. alone for about eight years straight), and I think the man is probably fatigued having to work on the same series for such a long time (the main reason he quit HAL Laboratories is that he did not want to be stuck making the same series over and over again).

It is possible that we might get additional newcomers aside from the four unknown remaining characters to the Fighter's Pass, but we should only expect those four until given reason to expect otherwise.

Another thing I want to touch on is that the idea that this game could easily be surpassed. A lot of people seem to be under the illusion that if Corrin, Pichu, Young Link, and the echoes, were not here that their character of choice would have gotten in, or that the roster for the next one is going to be even bigger than the one for this game. People ignored when Sakurai said not to expect too many new fighters, and likewise people seem to be sleeping on how much Sakurai is stressing it was a miracle to bring everyone back and that this may be the peak for roster size (and very likely stage roster size as well). It is a lot easier to add something when there is already a pre-existing blueprint for it.

This game is probably the final game in the series that will go down the "bigger is better" direction. If we get a lot of newcomers for the next title in the series, it is definitely going to come at the cost of a large portion of the roster (at least 15 veterans, and I am not counting echoes in that number). People seem to think also that their own character of choice would be "safe" under such a scenario, but people are incredibly biased. Would people really be alright if for example we got lost Bowser Jr. and Rosalina for Geno and Waluigi for example?

I think in general, Sakurai's comment at the possibility of the next game having a big gap of time between installments (he said ten years) is also to give breathing room for Nintendo and the gaming industry as a whole to create a new slate of "all-stars". As I mentioned in my comprehensive analysis of the Ultimate roster, Ridley, K. Rool, and Simon were the biggest legacy characters that they could have gone with, while Inkling and Isabelle were the biggest names of the 2010's. Right now, the biggest names people are throwing out for prospective newcomers for the next game are all effectively retro characters (Geno, Isaac, Skull Kid) or side characters within their own series (Waluigi and Ashley, characters that are part of an ensemble cast in their respective games).

A similar situation happened with Brawl. The conventional wisdom was after Brawl that side characters with cult fanbases would be the bulk of Smash 4's newcomers. What ended up happening was that newcomers were drawn with franchises created for the Wii (Wii Fit, Mii, and Xenoblade) and two legacy franchises (Animal Crossing and Punch-Out) as well as from very major installments for Super Mario, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, and Kid Icarus that happened during pre-Smash 4 period. The pre-Smash 4 period ended up creating a new crop of beloved Nintendo characters that eclipsed the side characters.

There needs to be a new generation of characters that emerge. There are a few characters that right now are certainly very major players within their own franchises that are not yet in (Bandana Dee and Dixie Kong in particular), and Captain Toad (and Toadette) are rising stars, but otherwise Ultimate pretty much scooped up nearly everything that was left, which is possibly part of the reason why this game's DLC is likely to be entirely third-party characters.

It is certainly possible that the next game ends up drawing most of its newcomers from characters that are retro or side character but have cult followings among the "core" though. We cannot say for sure what the future will bring, but I speak from the perspective of someone that has been around since the pre-Melee days, and through that perspective, the Smash Bros. roster is actually looking nearly complete.

However, I think while characters will be a focus in even the future, I think Sakurai realizes he is going to need something different for the next game.

For now, I am very thankful that "everyone is here" managed to happen. Getting nearly every stage in the series back too was also a miracle. I would never have expected a year ago for the next Smash Bros. to end up taking the direction that it ended up taking a year ago (I was not even thinking about it my interest was so low). Ridley, everyone returning, and Castlevania were all things that I thought would never happen (especially for the next installment), yet by some miracle chance it did.

Ironically, the one thing I thought was the only realistic thing to happen (Dixie Kong being a newcomer) ended up being the only thing on my personal wishlist to not happen with Ultimate. Life is funny like that sometimes.

Playing as Ridley in a Smash Bros. game is a miracle enough, but playing as Ridley in a game that also has playable Belmonts, K. Rool, Dark Samus, every veteran ever, and nearly every stage ever, I would have said such a game would only possibly have existed in the realm of my own personal dreams and fantasies

 

[Deleted member]

You get your mangos out of mah face!

These mango characters really are HIGHLY DANGEROUS aren't they.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Joker has barely started development, so there's no way two other franchises already have tracklists.

Why? I doubt work on the character itself would affect whether the tracklist is ready to be implemented in test builds or not. Also considering these are licensed characters outside of remixes they tend to have music already to use meaning they could have a tracklist already set up.

But honestly just because the character itself hadn't received much if any work doesnt mean that there was no work done on anything for their included content.

 

[Deleted member]

These mango characters really are HIGHLY DANGEROUS aren't they.

I have years of research on how dangerous mangos are.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Don't tell me the arena is about to crash

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I'M TIRED OF THIS MOTHER****ING SNAKE

IN THIS MOTHER****ING ARENA

There’s still a tad bit of time before the Snake rises again

 

[LetterO]

Why? I doubt work on the character itself would affect whether the tracklist is ready to be implemented in test builds or not. Also considering these are licensed characters outside of remixes they tend to have music already to use meaning they could have a tracklist already set up.

But honestly just because the character itself hadn't received much if any work doesnt mean that there was no work done on anything for their included content.

Even then, there's no way there's a build of the game that exists with the music there.

 

[Pyra]

i've been watching a video, how long has the arena been frozen

 

[Will]

Don't tell me the arena is about to crash

We just now got you off your throne and it conveniently crashes? Hmmmmm

 

[Bionichute]

i only have 204 spirits left to get to level 99, then i can rank every spirit from weakest to strongest

and also i can move on to other games

 

[TMNTSSB4]

just gonna play the waiting game

 

[Will]

so like am i softlocked or something

 

[MSmariosonic]

This is not cool

 

[Deleted member]

I have years of research on how dangerous mangos are.

Look, at the end of the day, mangos aren't a part of the fruit community. That we can all agree on.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

No one was surprised about them specifically, just the fact Smash was announced right then and there and not at say, E3.
Most believed he was a lost cause because of what Sakurai said. And at this point, Vergeben hadn't really proven himself yet so to start with Ridley of all characters left people highly skeptical.
After Snake was shown to be back and Ridley's reveal, only those who doubted Vergeben and argued Ridley was "obvious" were surprised.
A legitimate surprise to everyone. You cannot deny this.
Another people felt was a lost cause after Smash 4. But unlike Ridley, there was no legitimate leak. So there was no way to even hypothetically PREPARE for his reveal.
Only thing surprising was that she wasn't an Echo. Everyone was set on her being an Echo of those who argued she'd get in.
Arguably the least surprising reveal outside of Inklings. After Richter and even before Vergeben said he was in, EVERYONE was expecting Ken. ALL the leaks had him, real AND fake.
Not so much "surprising" because he was leaked, but more that people were in heavy denial that he was showing up either because they believed in the "Grinch leak" more or because they were just so biased against him they convinced themselves Vergeben was full of **** on Incineroar specifically.
You wanna act like this WASN'T surprising in the least?
:Joker: Again, you wanna act like we "didn't see it coming"?

Might want to not act so high and mighty here about how "everything" was surprising to us, because either it really wasn't or the surprise was LEGITIMATE.

Actually, there was a minority that said Isabelle wouldn't be an Echo. I was one of them sporting of how impossible it was.

But yeah, it was the major idea. Coincidentally I was right that she'd be changed up to be more happy-go-lucky as shown in Amiibo Festival, but I felt that was the only game that worked to show off her personality from. She's playing in a competition of sorts, which Smash itself is. It's the only fitting personality.

And yeah, there's no way Ken and Incineroar were all that surprising, really.

I'd say there was more surprises at Isaac and Shadow still being AT's than some of those characters overall. They were highly expected. And yet didn't happen.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Whomever just joined the arena

I've got bad news for ya

 

[Wademan94]

Daisy is our lord and savior in Smash

Speak for yourself

 

[Pyra]

so like am i softlocked or something

This is not cool

im just rebooting the game, i think the arena's dead

 

[praline]

Daisy is our lord and savior in Smash

Preach it, brother!

 

[Will]

Why does the arena even crash tho

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Speak for yourself

Pac-Man didn’t slay the Snake we dealt with...so he’s a Demon

Whomever just joined the arena

I've got bad news for ya

The game remembered Snake has no *** and is about to cut him from the game

 

[Moydow]

Hey, you can just about see the Brand in Lucina's eye on her waiting screen portrait, that's neat. Never would have noticed that if this hadn't happened.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Doesn't seem it's going to fix itself

I shall make a new one for those still interested

 

[Will]

Doesn't seem it's going to fix itself

I shall make a new one for those still interested

pls hurry bro I only got 35% battery

 

[MSmariosonic]

ID: NMVRW
Code: 2580

pls join

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Doesn't seem it's going to fix itself

I shall make a new one for those still interested

I’ll wait for now... guess

 

[Wademan94]

Pac-Man didn’t slay the Snake we dealt with...so he’s a Demon

Didn’t realize you’re speaking in the context of your game, my bad.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Mfw everyone is playing Smash Ultimate together, and I don't have a Switch or Ultimate yet...

 

[Pyra]

my boi ganondorf stronk

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Mfw everyone is playing Smash Ultimate together, and I don't have a Switch or Ultimate yet...

I didn't buy Switch Online, so... notttttt exactly.

Though I never imagined you as a Tanuki. Your name makes you sound like you're really really skinny, like a ramen noodle.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Even then, there's no way there's a build of the game that exists with the music there.

Why? There's likely a bunch of builds in various states internally.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Didn’t realize you’re speaking in the context of your game, my bad.

That’s the only talking ways of the Pac

 

[Will]

that was sick af

 

[MSmariosonic]

my boi ganondorf stronk

Not stronk enough to take down pittoo it seems

My win rate against dark pit seems below average

 

[Pyra]

daaaaaamn Moydow

glad you weren't watching my Random->lucina play lol