Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Wyoming]

Decidueye seems to be waving Rowlett's popularity a bit. Aside from Pokken there is not much promotion being made with it compared to other Pokemon.

I would prefer him over the others as conceptually he would bring something interesting to Smash, but if Incineroar or Mimikyu got in instead I would not be surprised. Incineroar even has a fighting atyle yet to be represented in Smash in the form of wrestling.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

It’s funny, is it really a grass-type what most want, or a starter? Sceptile, Decidueye are thrown around but not much else. Like, would something like Lurantis satisfy anyone with the type trio thing? Starters stand out though, sure...

Greninja really put this ”type x starter” into motion. Imagine if we got something like Sylveon or Aegislash, type nor being a starter wouldn’t probably matter at this point.

I'd 110% be up for Lurantis. Love that thing.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

GameFreak knows they hit a winner.

The winner they really hit was Mimikyu.

He's had the promotion, the merchandise, the big role in the anime, he's directly tied to the mascot of franchise and people love him for it.

He honestly seems like they give two ****s about keeping this Pokemon as a part of the longtime legacy of the franchise.

I definitely think everyone is gonna be all ''BUT WHAT?" when he gets revealed for Smash over anyone else, but he just actually makes a **** ton of sense.

He wouldn't be that much of a surprise honestly.
If Decidueye was not considered, Mimikyu would probably be the one everyone put in their roster.
A Pokémon who hates Pikachu? Awesome.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

You also have a really funny trailer potential with Mimikyu of someone like Luigi mistaking him for Pikachu.

Luigi lifts the disguise and we're all ''LUIGI NO!"

And then ''Luigi is ****ing dead" becomes the new Smash meme.

 

[Deleted member]

He wouldn't be that much of a surprise honestly.
If Decidueye was not considered, Mimikyu would probably be the one everyone put in their roster.
A Pokémon who hates Pikachu? Awesome.

That's why the real surprise that makes sense in hindsight would be Bewear. :V


Seriously.

Major recurring role in the anime, much bigger than Jigglypuff EVER had.
Gets just as much merchandise as the base starters and Mimikyu.

This thing is a stealth mascot for the region.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

GameFreak knows they hit a winner.

The winner they really hit was Mimikyu.

He's had the promotion, the merchandise, the big role in the anime, he's directly tied to the mascot of the franchise and people love him for it.

He honestly seems like they give two ****s about keeping this Pokemon as a part of the longtime legacy of the franchise.

I definitely think everyone is gonna be all ''BUT WHAT?" when he gets revealed for Smash over anyone else, but he just actually makes a **** ton of sense.

idk, Sun and moon wasn't out when the roster was probably decided, I don't think they really predicted them to be so popular, and I also don't think Sakurai would've gone with mimikyu if he was choosing based on unfinished gameplay and concept artwork

 

[Bowserlick]

Honestly, I would not be surprised with two pokemon characters.
If there is DLC, that seems like a perfect opportunity for an 8th generation pokemon.

Betting on a Grass Starter either way.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

That's why the real surprise that makes sense in hindsight would be Bewear. :V

>Implying he wouldn't be awesome.

Almost all Team Rocket Pokémon are cool anyway.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

idk, Sun and moon wasn't out when the roster was probably decided, I don't think they really predicted them to be so popular, and I also don't think Sakurai would've gone with mimikyu if he was choosing based on unfinished gameplay and concept artwork

Let me explain to you something about Mimikyu.

He's very obviously designed to captialize on the very height of Pikachu's popularity. That's his whole thing. He's one of those characters who is VERY intentionally and carefully designed to be a mass sale type of individual.

Also when the roster was decided Sun and Moon would be well into development. You have to conceptualize each new Pokemon, draw up what they can and can't do. A Pokemon game isn't an easy process by far.

Sakurai would most likely take notice of a Pokemon that is designed to straight up riff on Pikachu, the mascot's popularity.

Sakurai isn't just going to mindlessly go with who LOOKs coolest. That's not even how he picked Greninja.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

idk, Sun and moon wasn't out when the roster was probably decided, I don't think they really predicted them to be so popular, and I also don't think Sakurai would've gone with mimikyu if he was choosing based on unfinished gameplay and concept artwork

For the most part Pokemon are chosen to be popular, it doesn't work the other way around. Ash's Rowlet hasn't evolved not because Rowlet is popular but the Pokemon Team promoted him and thus he is popular. Same with Mimikyu.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Unfortunately, I think too many people are trying to figure out Sakurai and use confirmation bias for it to fit their own line of thinking for Smash. Alongside this, people just hop onto whatever hype train not because they like the character in question, but because they want to be right about calling the roster...which is...kinda lame?

I don’t know, I liked being right about a handful of characters. But I don’t really care if i’m right and the character is in. I will care if the character isn’t fun. It’s a game folks, not an art gallery.

On the topic of Pokémon, Decidueye provides a great opportunity to have Ghost and Grass moves together, and could be given archery through his moveset with traps. That’s hypothetical anyway. I do think he’s an excellent candidate to close out the main type trio, but that’s not entirely why I want him.

Mimkyu would be interesting. He’s got popularity, but based on what I know about it, he could also be a Pokeball. Really it just depends on the direction they’d like to take.

I’ll be back later with a bit of a rant on something completely unrelated. Stay tuned!

 

[Deleted member]

>Implying he wouldn't be awesome.

Almost all Team Rocket Pokémon are cool anyway.

Oh, I'm not saying Bewear wouldn't be awesome.

Just that when comparing Mimikyu to Bewear, it's Bewear that would turn the most heads while making a lot of hindsight sense.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Let me explain to you something about Mimikyu.

He's very obviously designed to captialize on the very height of Pikachu's popularity. That's his whole thing. He's one of those characters who is VERY intentionally and carefully designed to be a mass sale type of individual.

Also when the roster was decided Sun and Moon would be well into development. You have to conceptualized each new Pokemon, draw up what they can and can't do. A Pokemon game isn't an easy process by far.

Sakurai would most likely take notice of a Pokemon that is designed to straight up riff on Pikachu, the mascot's popularity.

Sakurai isn't just going to mindlessly go with who LOOKs coolest. That's not even how he picked Greninja.

But he will go with who presents the most appeal as a potential fighter, just like how greninja was chosen, I don't think mimikyu really has that and them looking so much like pikachu doesn't really help.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Oh, I'm not saying Bewear wouldn't be awesome.

Just that when comparing Mimikyu to Bewear, it's Bewear that would turn the most heads while making a lot of hindsight sense.

Or you could add Mimikyu as the obvious choice, and put Bewear as a secret hidden newcomer.
NOW that's how you shock people.

Bonus: 2v2 with Mimikyu and Bewear vs Pikachu and Charizard.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

But he will go with who presents the most appeal as a potential fighter, just like how greninja was chosen, I don't think mimikyu really has that and them looking so much like pikachu doesn't really help.

What you think does not equal to what Sakurai thinks however.

This is the man who saw a mannequin teaching Yoga and saw a moveset.

Any moderately popular Pokemon should be easy peasy for him you'd think.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

What you think does not equal to what Sakurai thinks however.

This is the man who saw a mannequin teaching Yoga and saw a moveset.

Any moderately popular Pokemon should be easy peasy for him you'd think.

Wii fit trainer's potential is pretty clear in hindsight, different yoga poses offer HELLA move options. Any pokemon can be made but decidueye pretty clearly shows more potential imo, based on his proportions and his abilities. Mimikyu could make a unique fighter too of course but it's harder to see how they would fight given their body and such. I don't think mimiyu "dances" as well as Decidueye in my opinion. Sakurai could see it differently tho who the hell knows.

 

[Bowserlick]

Mimikyu could be a Pichu stand-in and a newcomer all thanks to the ability disguise.

Below a set amount of percentage points, Mimikyu is a weaker Pikachu clone.
Above the threshold Mimikyu becomes busted, which changes its moveset to that of a pissed off Lovecraftian horror.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

How do you even semi-clone a Ghost Fairy Pokemon from an Electric Pokemon?

I do like the idea of incorporating Mimikyu's busted form into him though.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

How do you even semi-clone a Ghost Fairy Pokemon from an Electric Pokemon?

I do like the idea of incorporating Mimikyu's busted form into him though.

Just pull a ganondorf and replace the electricity with that purple stuff lmao

 

[Bowserlick]

How do you even semi-clone a Ghost Fairy Pokemon from an Electric Pokemon?

I do like the idea of incorporating Mimikyu's busted form into him though.

This could be cheating, but changing electricity attacks into a purple aura bolt reminiscent of Shadow Ball effects.

For example, Pikachu's Thunder Jolt would be turned into a shadow claw (purple electricity with a hand at the end) that performs a similar function.

Thunder Bolt could be reversed, with Mimikyu flashing purple before sending a claw upwards.

I guess not so much of a clone, as a moveset modeled after Pikachu.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

This could be cheating, but changing electricity attacks into a purple aura bolt reminiscent of Shadow Ball effects.

For example, Pikachu's Thunder Jolt would be turned into a shadow claw (purple electricity with a hand at the end) that performs a similar function.

Thunder Bolt could be reversed, with Mimikyu flashing purple before sending a claw upwards.

I guess not so much of a clone, as a moveset modeled after Pikachu.

Honestly the semi-clone idea makes sense, he is trying to mimick pikachu, makes sense to mimick the way he fights. Just throw in some different animations and effects but the attacks could stay generally the same.

 

[Rockaphin]

Ok but I want to flatten everyone with this Pokemon:

Spoiler

.. A man can dream.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

I don't want my Mimikyu to be a clone or semi-clone.
Please.

 

[Opossum]

I just want my damn owl lol.

Decidueye has a lot of neat potential.

 

[MrElectroG64]

Oh god. I just realized Etika.

We have to put up with more of his fake over the top reactions while he shows us his collection of Hanes boxer briefs.

On second thought Sakurai please keep us in a news drought till release.

you could always just not watch him.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Characters that are more likely than you think: #2

Character: Excitebike
Universe: Excitebike
Debut: Excitebike (1984)

Excitebike's History:
Excitebike is the 9th best selling game on the NES/Famicom and one of the most iconic Nintendo classics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_video_games

But, it's not a one and done game. There are more installments than most people know. Including Excitebike 64, Excitetrucks, Excitebots: Trick Racing, and Excitebike: World Rally. There are also numerous ports on Gameboy Advance, Nintendo 3DS: 3D Classics, and the game is fully playable in Animal Crossing.

Because of this, Excitebike is not necessarily a "true" retro character so he may very well appear alongside one the same way Little Mac appeared alongside Duck Hunt.

If you're wondering what Nintendo universes are even left, Excitebike is an iconic Nintendo series that would instantly be recognized. Quite possibly one of the most significant ones remaining.

What makes Excitebike unique?:

Excitebike's unique system is the temperature of his bike.

Special moves are what increase the temperature of the bike as they are the most powerful. When the meter is full, the bike becomes overheated. This makes the bike less efficient, but it causes his normal attacks to have a fire affect.

The temperature bar is displayed next to his character icon. Similar to Little Mac's meter.

Special Moves:
Neutral Special: Turbo - Excitebike pops a wheelie and accelerates forward. He loses control, but the bike entraps the opponent helplessly like a tidal wave, before the front wheel slams down as a finisher. Like all of his Special Moves, this increases the temperature of the bike.

Side Special: Ramp - Excitebike jumps off of a ramp. This is very efficient for getting around and escaping quickly.

Down Special: Oil - Excitebike spills oil out of his exhaust pipe which creates a trap.

Up Special: Exhaust Rocket - Excitebike uses his exhaust pipe as a rocket. When the bike is overheated, this shoots him insanely high, but causes 10% damage.

Excitebike is a proud Nintendo classic. Perfect material for a surprise character and a historically significant IP.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

you could always just not watch him.

He posted that ten pages ago. Let's move on my friend.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Characters that are more likely than you think: #2

Character: Excitebike
Universe: Excitebike
Debut: Excitebike (1984)

Excitebike's History:
Excitebike is the 9th best selling game on the NES/Famicom and one of the most iconic Nintendo classics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_video_games

But, it's not a one and done game. There are more installments than most people know. Including Excitebike 64, Excitetrucks, Excitebots: Trick Racing, and Excitebike: World Rally. There are also numerous ports on Gameboy Advance, Nintendo 3DS: 3D Classics, and the game is fully playable in Animal Crossing.

Because of this, Excitebike is not necessarily a "true" retro character so he may very well appear alongside one the same way Little Mac appeared alongside Duck Hunt.

If you're wondering what Nintendo universes are even left, Excitebike is an iconic Nintendo series that would instantly be recognized. Quite possibly one of the most significant ones remaining.

What makes Excitebike unique?:

Excitebike's unique system is the temperature of his bike.
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Special moves are what increase the temperature of the bike as they are the most powerful. When the meter is full, the bike becomes overheated. This makes the bike less efficient, but it causes his normal attacks to have a fire affect.

The temperature bar is displayed next to his character icon. Similar to Little Mac's meter.

Special Moves:
Neutral Special: Turbo - Excitebike pops a wheelie and accelerates forward. He loses control, but the bike entraps the opponent helplessly like a tidal wave, before the front wheel slams down as a finisher. Like all of his Special Moves, this increases the temperature of the bike.

Side Special: Ramp - Excitebike jumps off of a ramp. This is very efficient for getting around and escaping quickly.

Down Special: Oil - Excitebike spills oil out of his exhaust pipe which creates a trap.

Up Special: Exhaust Rocket - Excitebike uses his exhaust pipe as a rocket. When the bike is overheated, this shoots him insanely high, but causes 10% damage.

Excitebike is a proud Nintendo classic. Perfect material for a surprise character and a historically significant IP.

Honestly excitebiker would be dope if they could get that bike to work without looking too weird tbh

 

[Tree Gelbman]

He posted that ten pages ago. Let's move on my friend.

And responded with reasonings as to why I tired of him and it ain't because I seek him out.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Honestly excitebiker would be dope if they could get that bike to work without looking too weird tbh

Everything always seems "weird" to you.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Everything always seems "weird" to you.

Hey, sakurai himself said this one too at least lol

 

[Bowserlick]

Mach Rider with armor that can interlock to form a motorcycle please.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

The appeal of Excite Biker is that he's someone consistently on a motorcycle/bike.

Mach Rider turning into a bike for a move is just Wario's bike all over again.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

That's why the real surprise that makes sense in hindsight would be Bewear. :V


Seriously.

Major recurring role in the anime, much bigger than Jigglypuff EVER had.
Gets just as much merchandise as the base starters and Mimikyu.

This thing is a stealth mascot for the region.

Bewear is my most wanted Pokemon newcomer lol. I posted about him a lot when I started commenting here and pointed out how he is everywhere, but everyone ignored it. I think Bewear is a real contender.

 

[Starcutter]

I just want my damn owl lol.

Decidueye has a lot of neat potential.

I feel like I'm one of the few people that wants decidueye not because of typing or "starter trio" shenanigans, and actually really would like to see an owl that's skilled at archery in smash.

I'd probably STILL want Decidueye for smash if he was a Zelda or Star Fox character, as long as it's a similar design to the Pokemon.

 

[Inawordyes]

Why is everybody assuming we'll only get one Pokemon newcomer? Other than SM4SH, we've gotten 2 in every single game - Pikachu/Jigglypuff, Mewtwo/Pichu, Pokemon Trainer/Lucario, Reworked Charizard/Greninja.

We can get Decidueye and Mimikyu, we don't have to fight and minimize the popularity and moveset potential of one to prop up the other when they're both popular, both have moveset potential, and both are likely on their own merits, so ¿Porque no los dos?

EDIT: Unless you throw Bewear in there, then you can fight to the death.

 

[Bowserlick]

The appeal of Excite Biker is that he's someone consistently on a motorcycle/bike.

Mach Rider turning into a bike for a move is just Wario's bike all over again.

Mach Rider could interlock different parts at different times: constructing a turret, parts of a motorcycle, and using spinning tires as melee attacks. He would be a mode character.

Although, a mounted Mach Rider would be great as well.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

I feel like I'm one of the few people that wants decidueye not because of typing or "starter trio" shenanigans, and actually really would like to see an owl that's skilled at archery in smash.

I'd probably STILL want Decidueye for smash if he was a Zelda or Star Fox character, as long as it's a similar design to the Pokemon.

There's a bird really skilled in archery in Zelda: Revali.
But he is really unlikely and probably a one-off character. Still would be cool.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Why is everybody assuming we'll only get one Pokemon newcomer? Other than SM4SH, we've gotten 2 in every single game - Pikachu/Jigglypuff, Mewtwo/Pichu, Pokemon Trainer/Lucario, Reworked Charizard/Greninja.

We can get Decidueye and Mimikyu, we don't have to fight and minimize the popularity and moveset potential of one to prop up the other when they're both popular, both have moveset potential, and both are likely on their own merits, so ¿Porque no los dos?

EDIT: Unless you throw Bewear in there, then you can fight to the death.

I'm under the impression that we are going to have less newcomers overall unless there are several cuts. I'd like to believe that Sakurai is trying the "no cuts" route with a smaller newcomer list than normal, because losing characters sucks really bad. Also if I expect less newcomers, then I'll be excited when there's actually a strong number of them.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

The thing is I can see merits in all of the Pokemon.

Bewear is a darkhorse who can fill a void not on the roster and is also popular.

Icineroar is a wrestler and we've yet to see that play type in Smash Brothers.

Decidueye is a grass starter and I do believe Sakurai would find that important since he's the same guy who belives there should always be a kid Link in Smash because it's an important role in Zelda games just like the starter types are in Pokemon.

Mimikyu is a Ghost/Fairy pokemon with ties to the series mascot and popularity.