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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Bionichute

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Okay, people, you are not allowed to complain about :ultlucina::ultchrom:, they are just Marth but different, they don't count, Fire Emblem has five characters.
nah he's a different character but he basically just uses link's moveset with some tweaks to make him play differently. its a personal thing i guess but i never really saw him as a 100% new zelda characters, of which we could have had a number of after 3 games

meanwhile pokemon has gotten 6 100% new characters for three games
 

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Nah man that's YL.
Nah, cause Young Link is obviously exclusively OoT based, and the Yink that's dead is Majora's Mask Link.
And Toon Link, because I just said so, and everything I say gets me subscribers.


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I also am kinda thinking that they should go all the way with the “Gaming All-Stars” vibe and keep adding 3rd parties via DLC. We already what...10 characters from not-Nintendo?

Sonic, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Snake, Cloud, Ryu, Ken, Bayo, Simon, Richter, Joker...so actually 11. Wew lad, two games ago we had 2!

The more I think about it, I feel pretty confident in Lloyd Irving and at least one Capcom pick. The Capcom pick could be Dante, Leon, Amaterasu, or a left field pick, but I feel good about those. Dante and Leon come from some of biggest Capcom series left without being in Smash (and I personally feel that the whole packages with music and a stage seem to lend themselves to “expanding” the Smash universe), and they could be amazing picks. Leon isn’t as flashy, but just the fact that he suplexes zombies is enough of a win for me. Ammy is no slouch either, but regardless Capcom has a treasure trove of great picks.

I’m still feeling confident in most if not all of the picks being 3rd parties. If, and that’s a big if, Spirits disconfirm characters, then I have no doubt it’ll be all 3rd parties.
I agree, also out there picks like Scorpion and Tracer never seem too out of reach.
 

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i mean also its hard to deny that a completely new set for toon link would be awesome. he has a lot to work with but loll nope he just has link's specials
 

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I already got that with Layton who has nothing so i guess the quotas been filled
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Honestly, this community did a complete 180 when it came to Chrom, and all it took was more knowledge on literally more than just his recovery.
All it took for me to turn was to somehow start winning games with Chrom, without the use of his recovery...really is the best FE character
 

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nah he's a different character but he basically just uses link's moveset with some tweaks to make him play differently. its a personal thing i guess but i never really saw him as a 100% new zelda characters, of which we could have had a number of after 3 games

meanwhile pokemon has gotten 6 100% new characters for three games
I'm not particularly interested in what you saw as a "new characters", but Smash classifies him as a unique enough fighter. It doesn't make sense for you to ignore a character and than act according to that when it comes to representation.

Also Pokemon is much bigger than Zelda, but that's a different subject.

i mean also its hard to deny that a completely new set for toon link would be awesome. he has a lot to work with but loll nope he just has link's specials
It's almost like him being a clone is the only reason he's in the game in the first place.
 

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nah he's a different character but he basically just uses link's moveset with some tweaks to make him play differently. its a personal thing i guess but i never really saw him as a 100% new zelda characters, of which we could have had a number of after 3 games

meanwhile pokemon has gotten 6 100% new characters for three games
Well different series do have vastly different stipulations on what they could reasonably add.

Every Pokémon game does give you like 70+ new guys who will be around forever as they are now creatures in the world.

LoZ is kinda forever changing with few constant characters outside of :ultlink::ultzelda::ultganondorf:
 
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tf he gon do take a selfie with side b? he can't do that much different in wind waker compared to other games
Have you played WW? There's a ton of stuff that TL could use from that game that BotW Link and YL don't use.
 
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It's almost like him being a clone is the only reason he's in the game in the first place.
i was actually about to bring this up lol

just because characters like toon link and dark pit are only in because they were easy to make doesn't mean that i can't wise they didn't have unique movesets. i'd be ultra cool with dark pit if his kit was different enough, but it ain't and that's why people didn't like him in 4

its mostly just a shame to see characters with immense potential for movesets be turned into clones, you know. i very distinctly remember people being excited when toon link leaked because of how cool his set could be, and then. yeah
 

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It couldn't hurt to give :ulttoonlink: the Hurricane Spin, similarly to the custom move that pretty much had that function.
 

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like what? He doesn't get a lot of unique items in wind waker
hammer, deku leaf fire/ice arrows, power bracelet, iron boots, whirlwind, whip, sand wand

all of those are from games toon link is from and none of them are items link uses in his set
 
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like what? He doesn't get a lot of unique items in wind waker
Deku Leaf, Skull Hammer, the Wind Waker itself, Grappling Hook, Tingle Tuner, Mirror Shield, ETC.

YL could do more of his own thing too. There's nothing that says the Links have to be identical to one another, they simply are for ease of development.
 
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**** it
just make Tink a Ganondorf echo

He's special cause he's the only echo that can ignore the needing-the-same-body-type thing
I'd be okay with this.

I wanna see TL use the new Ganon Smash attacks, but with the Skull Hammer.

...Wait, wouldn't that make him a Dedede Echo?
 

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I'd be okay with this.

I wanna see TL use the new Ganon Smash attacks, but with the Skull Hammer.

...Wait, wouldn't that make him a Dedede Echo?
N...no, because if he was a Dedede echo, I'd imagine their specials would have to be similar.
I can allow one difference, but he's either gonna have to do that jump slam thing OR suck bois in at high speeds if not both

I feel like the gordo toss and the jet hammer can be explained away though
 
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N...no, because if he was a Dedede echo, I'd imagine their specials would have to be similar.
I can allow one difference, but he's either gonna have to do that jump slam thing OR suck bois in at high speeds if not both

I feel like the gordo toss and the jet hammer can be explained away though
Answer one thing: Can he jump around by filling himself with air?
 

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basically every clone character could have something more unique going for them if time allowed, and that doesn't just mean the usual talking points like ganondorf and dark samus, this goes for all the fire emblems, the links, and daisy. i think the only one exempt from this is ken because he's already pretty different from ryu

its okay to be disappointed over how a character is portrayed in smash, its a video game with a lot of flaws, ignoring those flaws isn't a healthy way to view it as art
 
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This may sound dumb but dose anyone know where I can find an octorok spirit? I need it to complete my last spirit summon.
 

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Answer one thing: Can he jump around by filling himself with air?
Maybe that'd be explained away by using Medli.

I mean, yes, he uses the Toon Gust Bellows Korok Leaf to fill himself with air and fly instead of just using the leaf to glide I guess
 
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N...no, because if he was a Dedede echo, I'd imagine their specials would have to be similar.
I can allow one difference, but he's either gonna have to do that jump slam thing OR suck bois in at high speeds if not both

I feel like the gordo toss and the jet hammer can be explained away though
The world ain't ready to see LiLiLink's Neutral B. Cursed Echo confirmed. :scared:

Gordo Toss is easy. He throws pigs at you. Jet Hammer...Uh...The Skull Hammer magically morphs into a mini train from Spirit Tracks. Not jet powered, but still gets the job done.
 
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Every time I remember we don't have Telda Tetra I get a little upset.
I know we just got a few pirates of different persuasions but that only makes me want more
 
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