Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

The continuous and repeated requests of the same characters over and over and over really takes the appeal out of them, at least to me.

If it helps, i can share some characters that i would love to see in Smash that aren’t that talked about:

-Adeleine(favourite Kirby character, with a moveset potential that i would love)
-Dr.Eggman.(Villain bias)
-Cynder.(One of the best things from The Legend Of Spyro games)
-Coco Bandicoot (my favourite character in the Crash franchise, even if Crash is more likely)
-Larva Metroid.(after Piranha Plant, i would love to see the Metroid in)
-Pauline.(A moveset with the Minis could be dope)
-Earthworm Jim.(A cool character to work with)
-Mona or Mike.(favourite Warioware characters)
-Beat from Jet Set Radio.(JSR music in Smash would be dope)
-Darkrai.(favourite Pokémon)
-Captain Rainbow.(I personally want him for curiosity and the references he could involve in the moveset)

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

i'm basically just trying to rationalize a completely insane decision here, i don't really expect porky, but like, no excuse for why he's missing makes any sense

I mean they're essentially just images. And considering the spirit fight where Ness's father is invisible, I don't think it's a stretch to say that they're just being cheeky suggesting that Porky is still in the ASC.

 

[MSmariosonic]

sword does not equal gun tho. guns have a major reason not to be in kids games because a kid could get their hands on a gun and kill someone. the only people with swords in their houses are either historians, collectors, or nerds

Well, not everyone has a gun in their house

eh nevermind

 

[Deleted member]

Well, not everyone has a gun in their house

eh nevermind

Nobody in my house has a gun.

You aren’t wrong.

Spoiler: Also, this is a real Final Fantasy weapon (now that we talk about guns and swords in videogames)

 

[Tree Gelbman]

As someone who just started Persona 5 I’d like to remind that the gun Skull gives Joker at the start is a toy from the real world and there’s a big conversation about it being mind blowing it shoots real bullets in the meta verse.

For that reason Joker might not even break any gun rule.

 

[Just a penguin]

I can just imagine Blizzard having a heart attack set the thought of those costumes not being locked behind loot boxes. XD

Speaking of heart attacks and bad company practices, imagine if Nintendo went the mobile game route and made people pay $0.99 for each fighter not in the original 8. Man, am I glad that this game was made by Nintendo.

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of heart attacks and bad company practices, imagine if Nintendo went the mobile game route and made people pay $0.99 for each fighter not in the original 8. Man, am I glad that this game was made by Nintendo.

Which game did that exactly?

 

[Idon]

As someone who just started Persona 5 I’d like to remind that the gun Skull gives Joker at the start is a toy from the real world and there’s a big conversation about it being mind blowing it shoots real bullets in the meta verse.

For that reason Joker might not even break any gun rule.

Okay, no.
Now you're just getting into technicalities.
Joker would definitely break the "no gun rule" if he went into Smash with his signature gun.

It looks like a gun
It sounds like a gun
It shoots up people like a gun.

I mean for God's sake, you hold up people at gunpoint to blackmail them and one of the skills you get is lining the enemies up in front of a firing squad.

 

[osby]

As someone who just started Persona 5 I’d like to remind that the gun Skull gives Joker at the start is a toy from the real world and there’s a big conversation about it being mind blowing it shoots real bullets in the meta verse.

For that reason Joker might not even break any gun rule.

"Gun rule" is just something that Sakurai needs to keep in mind to protect age rating. I don't know if same stuff is applied to DLC, but for all intents and purposes, Joker's pistols look like realistic guns, so CERO would most likely have a problem with it.

 

[Schnee117]

i'd rather take people not dying over a video game character being super accurate tbh

That's an issue with society itself, not the game.
America can fix it's ****ed up culture (or not considering people are dumb enough to vote for ***** like Trump) and parents can actually parent.

That's still an assumption based upon no official gameplay. I won't pretend it's unlikely for him to get that kind of gameplay, but he also has a Persona to work with. We just don't know what'll happen till it does.

We have no actual reason to believe the rule is broken until it happens. We also don't know if the guns will be more realistic. Knives were also not allowed for their realism, so I wouldn't count on them either. It could happen, but I don't see a reason to believe he won't be toned down/changed around. Sakurai has changed things that makes characters not nearly as accurate due to various situations. It can happen.

It's an assumption based on basic logic. Not using guns or knives goes entirely against Joker's fighting style.

As someone who just started Persona 5 I’d like to remind that the gun Skull gives Joker at the start is a toy from the real world and there’s a big conversation about it being mind blowing it shoots real bullets in the meta verse.

For that reason Joker might not even break any gun rule.

The guns are still implied to be based on actual guns so yeah he still breaks that rule.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

As someone who just started Persona 5 I’d like to remind that the gun Skull gives Joker at the start is a toy from the real world and there’s a big conversation about it being mind blowing it shoots real bullets in the meta verse.

For that reason Joker might not even break any gun rule.

As much as I wanna agree, a gun is a gun and even a toy gun that looks like a real gun will probably not be ok

 

[Tree Gelbman]

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Okay, no.
Now you're just getting into technicalities.
Joker would definitely break the "no gun rule" if he went into Smash with his signature gun.

It looks like a gun
It sounds like a gun
It shoots up people like a gun.

I mean for God's sake, you hold up people at gunpoint to blackmail them and one of the skills you get is lining the enemies up in front of a firing squad.

Bayonetta has two of these 3 thingss already and people still consider the fantasy elements of her as to why she doesn’t break the gun rule. Just saying.

 

[Bionichute]

I mean they're essentially just images. And considering the spirit fight where Ness's father is invisible, I don't think it's a stretch to say that they're just being cheeky suggesting that Porky is still in the ASC.

i mean yeah but that's still an assumption. we have no proof in the game of that being the case

not like its even hard to make a porky spirit fight lol

 

[Deleted member]

Imagine that we got Shadow, but not as an echoe, and with him using guns for his moveset.

 

[Will]

Okay, no.
Now you're just getting into technicalities.
Joker would definitely break the "no gun rule" if he went into Smash with his signature gun.

It looks like a gun
It sounds like a gun
It shoots up people like a gun.

I mean for God's sake, you hold up people at gunpoint to blackmail them and one of the skills you get is lining the enemies up in front of a firing squad.

nah dude it's fantasy it's totally fiiiine

 

[Idon]

Honestly, for a compromise between a realistic gun and what could feasilby fit in an e10 game, would be giving Joker a futuristic gun similar to

Spoiler

akechi

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Bayonetta has two of these 3 thingss already and people still consider the fantasy elements of her as to why she doesn’t break the gun rule. Just saying.

Yeah, but there's a huge difference between this:

AND THIS

 

[Bionichute]

Imagine that we got Shadow, but not as an echoe, and with him using guns for his moveset.

this reminds me of how i wanted shadow's evolved spirit form to be Shadow b/w Gun

 

[osby]

Imagine that we got Shadow, but not as an echoe, and with him using guns for his moveset.

Man, I'd hate to throw Ultimate in trash.

 

[Will]

Honestly, for a compromise between a realistic gun and what could feasilby fit in an e10 game, would be giving Joker a futuristic gun similar to

Spoiler

akechi

Yeah, but there's a huge difference between this:

AND THIS
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No no no it's just a little- just a little airsoft man it's totally kid-safe.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Joker absolutely could break the realistic gun rule(with bullets). But we don't know if he will till it happens. Bayonetta's definitely doesn't, as she's using fantasy weapons.

It's kind of pointless to say the rule is broken and use it as a point when it hasn't actually been. It's literally jumping the gun.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Imagine that we got Shadow, but not as an echoe, and with him using guns for his moveset.

Shouldn't they have just gone with Tails, in that case, assuming he's one of the most iconic Player 2s in gaming, being up there with Luigi?

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Easy route: Redeco the pistol into a Red/Feathered Arsene inspired gun, then add it in the updated P5 as a bonus. Everyone wins.

 

[osby]

It's an assumption based on basic logic. Not using guns or knives goes entirely against Joker's fighting style.

I think just crazy acrobatics and Persona is enough. I'd love to see him using a dagger and a pistol, but not using them won't go against anything (like, I stopped using melee weapons in the game after a point).

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I can see them just giving him his knife for Smash Attacks and maybe different Personas for his specials if the gun is a problem.

I’d miss the gun though. There are tons of mechanics for P5 to make up for the lack of a potential gun as well.

 

[Will]

Shouldn't they have just gone with Tails, in that case, assuming he's one of the most iconic Player 2s in gaming, being up there with Luigi?

Does Tails have an exact same shape and model to reference that saves a good chunk of hours and days of development?

 

[Bionichute]

It's literally jumping the gun.

but yeah we should say that the rules ("rules") are broken ("broken") until they actually are

 

[Deleted member]

Shouldn't they have just gone with Tails, in that case, assuming he's one of the most iconic Player 2s in gaming, being up there with Luigi?

You could argue that Eggman would be as good of a pick as Tails since he is almost as iconic as Bowser in regards to gaming villains.

 

[osby]

Easy route: Redeco the pistol into a Red/Feathered Arsene inspired gun, then add it in the updated P5 as a bonus. Everyone wins.

I'm still waiting for Jet Heels! Samus to be playable in a Metroid game.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm still waiting for Jet Heels! Samus to be playable in a Metroid game.

And for a 2D Mario game where he uses the cape to reflect enemies and attacks and not to fly.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

And for a 2D Mario game where he uses the cape to reflect enemies and attacks and not to fly.

He can use it as a melee spin attack, which is more or less what the Mario Tornado was to a degree. So... it can deflect, at least.

 

[Deleted member]

He can use it as a melee spin attack, which is more or less what the Mario Tornado was to a degree. So... it can deflect, at least.

Not as useful as in Smash, tbh.

But you have a point.

 

[Bionichute]

I think just crazy acrobatics and Persona is enough. I'd love to see him using a dagger and a pistol, but not using them won't go against anything (like, I stopped using melee weapons in the game after a point).

steps to making joker okay for kids:
1. remove the realistic guns, replace with maybe some kind of red/white/black laser gun
2. remove the outfit, replace with something that is reminiscent of lupin but sleeker, preferably all red
3. instead of personas, have him use planes and cars to really appeal to the kid demographic
4.

 

[osby]

Not as useful as in Smash, tbh.

But you have a point.

Doesn't Super Cape lets you do pretty much anything except gain height?

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

http://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/443893546
God I would love for this to be true. But alas, it's still just a text leak. :U

 

[osby]

steps to making joker okay for kids:
1. remove the realistic guns, replace with maybe some kind of red/white/black laser gun
2. remove the outfit, replace with something that is reminiscent of lupin but sleeker, preferably all red
3. instead of personas, have him use planes and cars to really appeal to the kid demographic
4.

Or make his moveset this:

Spoiler

 

[Michael the Spikester]

http://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/443893546
God I would love for this to be true. But alas, it's still just a text leak. :U

Honestly doubt we'd get two Capcom characters in a row tbh.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Honestly doubt we'd get two Capcom characters in a row tbh.

Any reason why?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Any reason why?

Not really I'd just imagine each of the remaining 4 DLC characters from all be from an separate company. Only chance I can see a second DLC Capcom character is through a 2nd DLC Season.

 

[Deleted member]

http://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/443893546
God I would love for this to be true. But alas, it's still just a text leak. :U

>"(EXTREMELY CREDIBLE)" written on the title.

I don’t trust it.

 

[osby]

Honestly doubt we'd get two Capcom characters in a row tbh.

We got two Konami characters in a row in the base roster.