Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Michael the Spikester]

Just cuz the leak was fake doesn't mean they aren't in

True but that day would had been great. Crash alone would had been icing on cake.

 

[ClaTheBae]

This thread needs drama.

Someone get a divorce.

 

[Deleted member]

Heck no

Ridley has more fans in the west than the east by a land slide

Little Mac is was barely known in Japan when he was first revealed for smash 4

It’s ritcher the Japan prefer not simon as a matter of fact that’s why all of simons moves are derived from ritcher

And you know Dark Samus

All that's the case, but we're talking about characters created by Western studios from franchises that were developed by Western studios. Of which case that leaves us with stuff like Doom, Fallout, the Elder Scrolls, Minecraft, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, Banjo-Kazooie, Killer Instinct, and Mortal Kombat. Sure, there's more choices out there, but then we'd be getting into "jokey" stuff like Fortnite or a royalty landmine like Overwatch. The irony here is that I mentioned Crash & Spyro, even though their IP are owned by Activision Blizzard, who also own Overwatch, but the difference is that they can't microtransact the hell out of those two, especially since the well ran dry with Skylanders a long time ago (which, unlike amiibos, game stores practically beg you to take them) and they moved on to lootboxes.

I just want to see one Western-born IP be part of this pack, and if I'm a betting man, I'd bet either the Elder Scrolls or Crash Bandicoot will be getting into this pack. I'd play the heck out of the Dovakhin, but I would honestly think Nintendo would balance the pack a little with a "safer" pick with a character like Crash that has more mainstream appeal and is going through a career revival. We may get both in the end, though. The Joker's wild shattered all predictions.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Talking western newcomers, huh?

In that case, allow me to push Steve very hard for one moment... Especially assuming no one else will:

• Minecraft is huge in both the west, and Japan,
• One of the last major gaming all-stars who have yet to be in Smash
• Minecraft is the second best selling game of all time
• Would bring a very unique moveset with him
• Huge ties with Nintendo
• Is basically the current face of western third party support, when it comes to Nintendo

I just really want Steve, I have fond memories of Minecraft from my childhood, and he would be just such a hype reveal for me

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

All that's the case, but we're talking about characters created by Western studios from franchises that were developed by Western studios. Of which case that leaves us with stuff like Doom, Fallout, the Elder Scrolls, Minecraft, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, Banjo-Kazooie, Killer Instinct, and Mortal Kombat. Sure, there's more choices out there, but then we'd be getting into "jokey" stuff like Fortnite or a royalty landmine like Overwatch. The irony here is that I mentioned Crash & Spyro, even though their IP are owned by Activision Blizzard, who also own Overwatch, but the difference is that they can't microtransact the hell out of those two, especially since the well ran dry with Skylanders a long time ago (which, unlike amiibos, game stores practically beg you to take them) and they moved on to lootboxes.

I just want to see one Western-born IP be part of this pack, and if I'm a betting man, I'd bet either the Elder Scrolls or Crash Bandicoot will be getting into this pack. I'd play the heck out of the Dovakhin, but I would honestly think Nintendo would balance the pack a little with a "safer" pick with a character like Crash that has more mainstream appeal and is going through a career revival. We may get both in the end, though. The Joker's wild shattered all predictions.

You a bit late someone already told me

 

[Noipoi]

This thread needs drama.

Someone get a divorce.

I asked a girl for her number. She liked someone else.

That's like, the most drama i've had.

 

[Zinith]

This thread needs drama.

Someone get a divorce.

Um, uh.......

I'm thinking of settling down to watch anime instead of playing Smash...

That's the closest thing to drama I'm gonna get these days

 

[Noipoi]

Um, uh.......

I'm thinking of settling down to watch anime instead of playing Smash...

You ****ing monster.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

This thread needs drama.

Someone get a divorce.

Right on it, though, I need to somehow get married first, to do that... hmm...

Hey, would anyone here be willing to marry me, just so I can immediately get a divorce from you? Anyone?

 

[Will]

but Steve as a character is just so boring, just a static face and a grunt once in a while, he would clash so much with the rest of the roster. Minecraft would be much better off being represented by a stage and an assist trophy.

Being "boring" or "better to be [thing]" is just your own opinion, and if it's an opinion, how is that a point other than personal preference? How would he "clash so much" with the rest of the roster when we have , , or even if you're going to call him static or not with personality.

The issue with the "stage" comment is that the DLC pack exclusively has a character, stage, and music pack (no assist trophy). Ergo, if Banjo does happen, you're implying we get a Minecraft Stage instead of Mumbo Mountain or Gruntilda's Castle? You could argue the free stages given like Mario Maker and Duck Hunt, but those haven't actually occurred yet in the game, so we can't actually have it fully support the argument.

Frankly, what you're asking for is impossible by techinicality.

And while Master Chief would be incredibly cool and unexpected, the difference between him and Cloud/Joker is that Final Fantasy and Persona are third party franchises at the end of the day, those characters always have the possibility of showing up on a Nintendo console outside of Smash, Halo isn't showing up on Nintendo unless Microsoft steps out of the console race.

Final Fantasy VII wasn't on any Nintendo console by the time he was revealed, and it still took 4 or 5 years to even show up on the Switch afterward. Persona 5 is also an exclusive PS4 game. Cloud doesn't represent Final Fantasy, he represents Final Fantasy VII. Joker probably isn't representing Persona, he's probably representing Persona 5. Get my point?

If you can prove to me Sakurai has a rule that says you have to be able to have your own main series on a Nintendo console to be in Smash, feel free to show me.

 

[Luigi The President]

This thread needs drama.

Someone get a divorce.

You are a nerd ClaTheBae and I will fight you

 

[SuperSceptile15]

Does Nintendo even still care about Banjo-Kazooie? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they even acknowledged their 20th anniversary.

 

[lightdrago]

This thread needs drama.

Someone get a divorce.

Drama? Banjo’s overrated.

 

[Luigi The President]

Does Nintendo even still care about Banjo-Kazooie? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they even acknowledged their 20th anniversary.

You uh...think there may be a reason for that? Such as them being owned by another company.

 

[Noipoi]

I asked a girl for her number. She liked someone else.

That's like, the most drama i've had.

I'm over it, but I still think about her sometimes. She was really funny.

Is that weird?

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm over it, but I still think about her sometimes. She was really funny.

Is that weird?

Not at all bro.

 

[Androobie]

This thread needs drama.

Someone get a divorce.

Ramen Tengoku is the big opposite of straight

*dabs*

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I'm over it, but I still think about her sometimes. She was really funny.

Is that weird?

No, it's fine.

 

[Noipoi]

Not at all bro.

No, it's fine.

Oh, good. That was probably a stupid question. I'm really new to this "social interaction and romantic relationships" thing.

 

[ClaTheBae]

I'm over it, but I still think about her sometimes. She was really funny.

Is that weird?

yeah dude you weird as **** for desiring human interaction with someone who you have fond memories of. wack asf dude get your head in the game

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Oh, good. That was probably a stupid question. I'm really new to this "social interaction and romantic relationships" thing.

No, that was just an educated guess. I know almost nothing about the "social interaction and romantic relationships" thing either.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Ramen Tengoku is the big opposite of straight

*dabs*

Shhhhh... don't blow my cover

 

[Zinith]

I'm over it, but I still think about her sometimes. She was really funny.

Is that weird?

Compared to someone like me

I think that's pretty normal...

 

[farvin111]

How would y'all improve the Classic Mode bonus game? Honestly, it had so much potential. For one, it could have been a random challenge each time from a pool of:

1. The current one we have
2. Break the Targets (only one unique one)
3. Board the Platforms (same as above)
4. Mob Smash

 

[Androobie]

Shhhhh... don't blow my cover

Shhhhh... don't blow my cover

Imagine being gay and not telling everyone you're gay.

 

[Noipoi]

Compared to someone like me

I think that's pretty normal...

Yoshi's pulling a Froakie.

Spoiler

 

[ClaTheBae]

Imagine being gay and not telling everyone you're gay.

this post was made by out of the closet gang

 

[Noipoi]

How would y'all improve the Classic Mode bonus game? Honestly, it had so much potential. For one, it could have been a random challenge each time from a pool of:

1. The current one we have
2. Break the Targets (only one unique one)
3. Board the Platforms (same as above)
4. Mob Smash

It's a fun mini game, but doing it over and over gets a little grating.

I would have it just like this. Several random challenges.

 

[Shroob]

Controversy?


I'm undecidedly bi.

 

[Nekoo]

I'm undecidedly bi.

That's how I'am when I see a trap.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Controversy?


I'm undecidedly bi.

My lord we are quite open with our sexuality on this page aren't we

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

We Never Saw It Coming: The Game Awards as a Case Study for Doubt​

Hello everyone, and welcome to the second in a series of speculation posts written by your's truly. Last time I wrote about the hot buzz surrounding a potential Square Enix character joining the fight, and this time I'll be writing about The Game Awards (in much less words) and arguing that we should all be more critical towards insider information regardless of how reputable a given insider is. So, lets get right into it!

Spoiler: Disclaimer

• I feel that before I write anything I should first voice that in writing this I do not intend to demean or slander anyone's character. If I come across that way, then it's nothing more than a failure of my writing and not an outright attack.
• Of course, this is speculation. I am not an absolute authority nor will I ever be. I'm simply a fan with a good mind for speculation who likes to put that to use.

Spoiler: What happened?

To sum it briefly, Doritos Pope delivered:

In more detail:
June 16, 2018
Reggie and Geoff Keighley play Mario Tennis at E3 2018, and Reggie hints at a special reveal at The Game Awards 2018 (first 20 seconds of the Twitter video).

September 26, 2018
Reggie wears a Metroid shirt under his suit in a picture with Geoff Keighley. The picture is posted on Twitter with the caption "See you in December!" Fans speculate that Metroid Prime 4 will be shown off at The Game Awards.

October 24, 2018
In the midst of the Grinch Hoax, Spawn Wave drops a hint about Sora being revealed for Smash Bros. at The Game Awards. Fans speculate that a Smash Bros. reveal may occur at The Game Awards.

November 1, 2018
In the Final Smash Bros. Direct, Piranha Plant 5 unknown DLC fighters are announced. Fans begin to speculate who the unknown fighters could be.

~November 2, 2018
Reputable Leaker Vergeben states that the Square Enix character will be the first DLC character revealed. (Source 2)

November 6, 2018
Sakurai confirms on Twitter that the DLC fighter selection is complete, saying that "This time the selection (of characters) was made entirely by Nintendo." Fans begin to despair about what this could mean.

November 14, 2018
Reputable Leaker Spawn Wave teases an upcoming Metroid Prime reveal. Fans assume that this means a Metroid Prime 4 trailer at The Game Awards.

November 25, 2018
Spawn Wave hints again at Metroid Prime being revealed at The Game Awards.

November 26, 2018
Spawn Wave drops another hint about an upcoming Metroid Prime reveal.

Concurrently, our own PolarPanda begins to drop information about the Square Enix character. He, Fatmanonice, and Rummy continue to drop details leading up to The Game Awards with the assumed payoff that the Square Enix rep will be the first character revealed there.

November 30, 2018
@BoundaryBreak posts a clip of the June 16 video to Twitter. Fans begin to hype up.

December 4, 2018
Spawn Wave continues to hint at a Metroid Prime reveal.

Swedish retailer Inet lists a Metroid Prime Trilogy for Nintendo Switch on their store front. People take it as a soft confirmation; Metroid Prime at The Game Awards is all but confirmed.

December 5, 2018
Spawn Wave drops one final hint towards a Metroid Prime reveal at The Game Awards.

Fatmanonice, privy to the same information as PolarPanda and his sources, tells the Geno thread not to expect a Smash Bros. reveal at The Game Awards.

Reputable insider Ryce says not to expect a DLC reveal "for another month or two."

December 6, 2018
Joker from Persona 5 is revealed as a playable character at The Game Awards, and Metroid Prime does not make any appearance.

Following the Game Awards, PolarPanda remarks that what was implied to happen to his source did not happen.

Spoiler: Why is this important?

The idea of Nintendo spreading misinformation is one that I helped popularize to the point where it became a main point for the Grinch Hoax ("Incineroar is leak bait!") and I regretted it. It's a hypothetical scenario that's difficult to prove, but I believe that the scenario surrounding The Game Awards proves that, at the very least, the idea of Nintendo spreading misinformation is on the table.

Spawn Wave was known for a perfect streak of leaks, and Panda's source was verified by multiple Smashboards moderators and veteran community members, proving that they have actual insider information. For all intents and purposes, they should've have had correct information, but they didn't. Everything pointed towards Metroid Prime, yet instead we get Joker in Smash Bros. Essentially, this shows that Nintendo is capable of spreading misinformation, and more importantly, they know where to spread misinformation. Therefore, regardless of how many sources a person has, their conjecture should be taken as that until proven otherwise

Granted, the Video Game Awards is an event that Nintendo is a part of and not something run by Nintendo, so the misinformation could've been due to Geoff Keighly and co. instead of Nintendo, similar to the circumstances surrounding the Square Enix rep, but this is the third known use of misinformation during Smash Bros. DLC speculation (the first being the Square Enix rep, and the second being the fake list of characters obtained by Hitagi and co.). As Poet Jade Ivy said:

Once is an Accident, Twice is a Coincidence, Three Times is a Pattern

Spoiler: What should we take out of this?

Smash Bros. DLC speculation is a different beast from main speculation entirely. We don't have playtesters to leak everything, nor can we truly rely on insiders to give us information. I believe its time we break the cycle of speculation wherein we engage with different insiders (Vergeben, loz18, Spawn Wave, PolarPanda and co., etc.), take their word as gospel, and then cast them to the side when their time in the light is finished. Instead, I encourage a return to speculation wherein insiders are treated more as potential points in an argument moreso than otherworldly beings speaking the word of God. PolarPanda has been doing a good job of creating an environment wherein this is true, but I believe that we as a community ought to step it up ourselves, as I see Polar's words being misconstrued and fit to other narratives even when he makes a point to discourage that.

At this point, DLC is anyone's game, and it seems that even insiders are along for the ride with us. So how about instead of worrying, we just all enjoy the ride?

 

[Roberk]

Welp. Figured out why they kept Samus/ZSS's Other M designs.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/1...ks-super-mario-galaxy-metroid-other-m-switch/

>HD Galaxy on the Switch
YES

 

[Androobie]

Controversy?


I'm undecidedly bi.

ThrowawayBoi is the exact same way. He always says he's gay, and he's definitely attracted to guys, but he occasionally starts gushing over a Persona girl he really likes every now and then when we're alone together. It's kinda cute, not gonna lie.

 

[Idon]

I sexually identify as not wanting anything to do with this conversation.

 

[Shroob]

My lord we are quite open with our sexuality on this page aren't we

I like to consider myself Smashboard's biggest family-friendly degenerate.


And no, that makes no sense.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

That's how I'am when I see a trap.

I'd say I'm the same way, though I wouldn't call them that...

In fact, I've even dabbled in trying to be one myself...

 

[Noipoi]

We Never Saw It Coming: The Game Awards as a Case Study for Doubt​

Hello everyone, and welcome to the second in a series of speculation posts written by your's truly. Last time I wrote about the hot buzz surrounding a potential Square Enix character joining the fight, and this time I'll be writing about The Game Awards (in much less words) and arguing that we should all be more critical towards insider information regardless of how reputable a given insider is. So, lets get right into it!

Spoiler: Disclaimer

• I feel that before I write anything I should first voice that in writing this I do not intend to demean or slander anyone's character. If I come across that way, then it's nothing more than a failure of my writing and not an outright attack.
• Of course, this is speculation. I am not an absolute authority nor will I ever be. I'm simply a fan with a good mind for speculation who likes to put that to use.

Spoiler: What happened?

To sum it briefly, Doritos Pope delivered:

In more detail:
June 16, 2018
Reggie and Geoff Keighley play Mario Tennis at E3 2018, and Reggie hints at a special reveal at The Game Awards 2018 (first 20 seconds of the Twitter video).

September 26, 2018
Reggie wears a Metroid shirt under his suit in a picture with Geoff Keighley. The picture is posted on Twitter with the caption "See you in December!" Fans speculate that Metroid Prime 4 will be shown off at The Game Awards.

October 24, 2018
In the midst of the Grinch Hoax, Spawn Wave drops a hint about Sora being revealed for Smash Bros. at The Game Awards. Fans speculate that a Smash Bros. reveal may occur at The Game Awards.

November 1, 2018
In the Final Smash Bros. Direct, Piranha Plant 5 unknown DLC fighters are announced. Fans begin to speculate who the unknown fighters could be.

~November 2, 2018
Reputable Leaker Vergeben states that the Square Enix character will be the first DLC character revealed. (Source 2)

November 6, 2018
Sakurai confirms on Twitter that the DLC fighter selection is complete, saying that "This time the selection (of characters) was made entirely by Nintendo." Fans begin to despair about what this could mean.

November 14, 2018
Reputable Leaker Spawn Wave teases an upcoming Metroid Prime reveal. Fans assume that this means a Metroid Prime 4 trailer at The Game Awards.

November 25, 2018
Spawn Wave hints again at Metroid Prime being revealed at The Game Awards.

November 26, 2018
Spawn Wave drops another hint about an upcoming Metroid Prime reveal.

Concurrently, our own PolarPanda begins to drop information about the Square Enix character. He, Fatmanonice, and Rummy continue to drop details leading up to The Game Awards with the assumed payoff that the Square Enix rep will be the first character revealed there.

November 30, 2018
@BoundaryBreak posts a clip of the June 16 video to Twitter. Fans begin to hype up.

December 4, 2018
Spawn Wave continues to hint at a Metroid Prime reveal.

Swedish retailer Inet lists a Metroid Prime Trilogy for Nintendo Switch on their store front. People take it as a soft confirmation; Metroid Prime at The Game Awards is all but confirmed.

December 5, 2018
Spawn Wave drops one final hint towards a Metroid Prime reveal at The Game Awards.

Fatmanonice, privy to the same information as PolarPanda and his sources, tells the Geno thread not to expect a Smash Bros. reveal at The Game Awards.

Reputable insider Ryce says not to expect a DLC reveal "for another month or two."

December 6, 2018
Joker from Persona 5 is revealed as a playable character at The Game Awards, and Metroid Prime does not make any appearance.

Following the Game Awards, PolarPanda remarks that what was implied to happen to his source did not happen.

Spoiler: Why is this important?

The idea of Nintendo spreading misinformation is one that I helped popularize to the point where it became a main point for the Grinch Hoax ("Incineroar is leak bait!"). It's a hypothetical scenario that's difficult to prove, but I believe that the scenario surrounding The Game Awards prove that, at the very least, the idea of Nintendo spreading misinformation is on the table.

Spawn Wave was known for a perfect streak of leaks, and Panda's source was verified by multiple Smashboards moderators and veteran community members, proving that they have actual insider information. For all intents and purposes, they should've have had correct information, but they didn't. Everything pointed towards Metroid Prime, yet instead we get Joker in Smash Bros. Essentially, this shows that Nintendo is capable of spreading misinformation, and more importantly, they know where to spread misinformation. Therefore, regardless of how many sources a person has, their conjecture should be taken as that until proven otherwise

Granted, the Video Game Awards is an event that Nintendo is a part of and not something run by Nintendo, so the misinformation could've been due to Geoff Keighly and co. instead of Nintendo, similar to the circumstances surrounding the Square Enix rep, but this is the third known use of misinformation during Smash Bros. DLC speculation (the first being the Square Enix rep, and the second being the fake list of characters obtained by Hitagi and co.). As Poet Jade Ivy said:

Spoiler: What should we take out of this?

Smash Bros. DLC speculation is a different beast from main speculation entirely. We don't have playtesters to leak everything, nor can we truly rely on insiders to give us information. I believe its time we break the cycle of speculation wherein we engage with different insiders (Vergeben, loz18, Spawn Wave, PolarPanda and co., etc.), take their word as gospel, and then cast them to the side when their time in the light is finished. Instead, I encourage a return to speculation wherein insiders are treated more as potential points in an argument moreso than otherworldly beings speaking the word of God. PolarPanda has been doing a good job of creating an environment wherein this is true, but I believe that we as a community ought to step it up ourselves, as I see Polar's words being misconstrued and fit to other narratives even when he makes a point to discourage that.

At this point, DLC is anyone's game, and it seems that even insiders are along for the ride with us. So how about instead of worrying, we just all enjoy the ride?

Not one, but two meaty posts in two days?

Pony, you spoil me.

 

[Luigi The President]

We Never Saw It Coming: The Game Awards as a Case Study for Doubt​

Hello everyone, and welcome to the second in a series of speculation posts written by your's truly. Last time I wrote about the hot buzz surrounding a potential Square Enix character joining the fight, and this time I'll be writing about The Game Awards (in much less words) and arguing that we should all be more critical towards insider information regardless of how reputable a given insider is. So, lets get right into it!

Spoiler: Disclaimer

• I feel that before I write anything I should first voice that in writing this I do not intend to demean or slander anyone's character. If I come across that way, then it's nothing more than a failure of my writing and not an outright attack.
• Of course, this is speculation. I am not an absolute authority nor will I ever be. I'm simply a fan with a good mind for speculation who likes to put that to use.

Spoiler: What happened?

To sum it briefly, Doritos Pope delivered:

In more detail:
June 16, 2018
Reggie and Geoff Keighley play Mario Tennis at E3 2018, and Reggie hints at a special reveal at The Game Awards 2018 (first 20 seconds of the Twitter video).

September 26, 2018
Reggie wears a Metroid shirt under his suit in a picture with Geoff Keighley. The picture is posted on Twitter with the caption "See you in December!" Fans speculate that Metroid Prime 4 will be shown off at The Game Awards.

October 24, 2018
In the midst of the Grinch Hoax, Spawn Wave drops a hint about Sora being revealed for Smash Bros. at The Game Awards. Fans speculate that a Smash Bros. reveal may occur at The Game Awards.

November 1, 2018
In the Final Smash Bros. Direct, Piranha Plant 5 unknown DLC fighters are announced. Fans begin to speculate who the unknown fighters could be.

~November 2, 2018
Reputable Leaker Vergeben states that the Square Enix character will be the first DLC character revealed. (Source 2)

November 6, 2018
Sakurai confirms on Twitter that the DLC fighter selection is complete, saying that "This time the selection (of characters) was made entirely by Nintendo." Fans begin to despair about what this could mean.

November 14, 2018
Reputable Leaker Spawn Wave teases an upcoming Metroid Prime reveal. Fans assume that this means a Metroid Prime 4 trailer at The Game Awards.

November 25, 2018
Spawn Wave hints again at Metroid Prime being revealed at The Game Awards.

November 26, 2018
Spawn Wave drops another hint about an upcoming Metroid Prime reveal.

Concurrently, our own PolarPanda begins to drop information about the Square Enix character. He, Fatmanonice, and Rummy continue to drop details leading up to The Game Awards with the assumed payoff that the Square Enix rep will be the first character revealed there.

November 30, 2018
@BoundaryBreak posts a clip of the June 16 video to Twitter. Fans begin to hype up.

December 4, 2018
Spawn Wave continues to hint at a Metroid Prime reveal.

Swedish retailer Inet lists a Metroid Prime Trilogy for Nintendo Switch on their store front. People take it as a soft confirmation; Metroid Prime at The Game Awards is all but confirmed.

December 5, 2018
Spawn Wave drops one final hint towards a Metroid Prime reveal at The Game Awards.

Fatmanonice, privy to the same information as PolarPanda and his sources, tells the Geno thread not to expect a Smash Bros. reveal at The Game Awards.

Reputable insider Ryce says not to expect a DLC reveal "for another month or two."

December 6, 2018
Joker from Persona 5 is revealed as a playable character at The Game Awards, and Metroid Prime does not make any appearance.

Following the Game Awards, PolarPanda remarks that what was implied to happen to his source did not happen.

Spoiler: Why is this important?

The idea of Nintendo spreading misinformation is one that I helped popularize to the point where it became a main point for the Grinch Hoax ("Incineroar is leak bait!"). It's a hypothetical scenario that's difficult to prove, but I believe that the scenario surrounding The Game Awards prove that, at the very least, the idea of Nintendo spreading misinformation is on the table.

Spawn Wave was known for a perfect streak of leaks, and Panda's source was verified by multiple Smashboards moderators and veteran community members, proving that they have actual insider information. For all intents and purposes, they should've have had correct information, but they didn't. Everything pointed towards Metroid Prime, yet instead we get Joker in Smash Bros. Essentially, this shows that Nintendo is capable of spreading misinformation, and more importantly, they know where to spread misinformation. Therefore, regardless of how many sources a person has, their conjecture should be taken as that until proven otherwise

Granted, the Video Game Awards is an event that Nintendo is a part of and not something run by Nintendo, so the misinformation could've been due to Geoff Keighly and co. instead of Nintendo, similar to the circumstances surrounding the Square Enix rep, but this is the third known use of misinformation during Smash Bros. DLC speculation (the first being the Square Enix rep, and the second being the fake list of characters obtained by Hitagi and co.). As Poet Jade Ivy said:

Spoiler: What should we take out of this?

Smash Bros. DLC speculation is a different beast from main speculation entirely. We don't have playtesters to leak everything, nor can we truly rely on insiders to give us information. I believe its time we break the cycle of speculation wherein we engage with different insiders (Vergeben, loz18, Spawn Wave, PolarPanda and co., etc.), take their word as gospel, and then cast them to the side when their time in the light is finished. Instead, I encourage a return to speculation wherein insiders are treated more as potential points in an argument moreso than otherworldly beings speaking the word of God. PolarPanda has been doing a good job of creating an environment wherein this is true, but I believe that we as a community ought to step it up ourselves, as I see Polar's words being misconstrued and fit to other narratives even when he makes a point to discourage that.

At this point, DLC is anyone's game, and it seems that even insiders are along for the ride with us. So how about instead of worrying, we just all enjoy the ride?

All of this beautifulness and I'm still gonna have to hear "well the insiders said Geno was leakbait and it's probably DQ" huh
Same for you with Sora

Great post per usual TPC; was a good, simple read. Loved it! Great recap.

 

[WaxPython]

Smash ultimate online has to be one of the most unfun experiances I've ever had.

I can't even go to detail what is wrong with it ill be here all day. Smash 4's was genuinely better in every way.