Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Luigi The President]

So it's Doom's 25th anniversary. Bethesda is going to be "kicking off a year long celebration of all things DOOM." With that and Bethesda's buddy buddy relationship with Nintendo (especially Doom) as well as the fact that Doom is one of the old granddaddys of the FPS genre and certainly would be a big bombshell for a character...

Hey, I can hope.

Dovahkiin gang when Doomguy gets in after they were forgotten about literally all cycle but cheer on their Bethesda brother and fellow icon anyway

 

[Deleted member]

Except TES very much does need more publicity. It does have a game on the way, as well as a mobile game. It's not really a matter of "not needing" publicity. Also, Nintendo nor Sakurai will go for mascot picks with series from what we've seen-if they did we'd have Jack Frost. Sure Pip Boy could break this rule but having him over Dovahkiin seems silly to me-I'd wager just his helmet is as iconic as Pip Boy.
Reggie indicated Sakurai still holds a good deal of power when it comes to the DLC picks, and I don't see any evidence saying Nintendo wouldn't go for Geno. We can't really know if he is or isn't a Nintendo pick. I do appreciate how you hold him though, usually he's just dismissed with stuff like this.

After the groundbreaking, record-setting success of Skyrim, TES doesn't really need as much publicity as people would like to believe it does. A literal JPEG of TES 6 at E3 set the internet on fire, and I can pretty much guarantee it's going to be another 30+ million lifetime seller after it releases as well.

Maybe for a Besthesda rep, not going for a mascot would make sense since there's enough human reps for them to go for, but just to prove a point Jack Frost is more of a SMT mascot than a Persona mascot. Persona itself has never at all had an iconic recurring character; less emphasis is placed on the demons/personas than in SMT and nobody is a recurring front-cover character, as the only real recurring human character is Igor who is always placed in a significantly more low-key role compared to the other characters. The closest thing we get to recurring mascot-level characters in Persona specifically is icons in certain roles; like how Morgana and Teddie are known more as non-human (or part-human in Teddie's case) sidekicks, Rise/Futaba/Aigis are known as support roles, and each protagonist is known as being the main face of each game, as it's the one you see most often.

Regardless, the points you make for Dovahkiin are good ones and anything's possible. I really don't have much of an idea in regards to non-Microsoft/Square/Nintendo reps, except for realizing that I forgot to mention Dante anywhere in my original post (which I should have).

Either way, Sakurai specifically said Nintendo picked the Fighters Pass fighters and Sakurai and his team only okayed them in a decision of whether or not they could be pulled off. There's no evidence that Nintendo wouldn't go for Geno, but there's a lot pointing more towards it being that way than not. Sakurai wanted Geno in Brawl, pushed hard for him to the point where Beware the Forest Mushrooms was found as an unused track in a Brawl datamine. It really makes me feel like it was EXTREMELY likely Square didn't want to cooperate, and Nintendo didn't want to bother pushing them to, so Sakurai had to settle without Geno. Would also explain why he went as far as making splash art for something as small as a Geno Mii Fighter costume.

Regardless, I'm a long time SM RPG fan, played the game as a kid and loved it, love Geno and he's been my top requested fighter since I started following Brawl speculation in 2007. I'm just a realist who tries to look at the signs when there aren't any direct facts present, and to me, it's looking like Geno won't be in until Sakurai has full, 100% unadulterated control over the DLC again.

 

[Luigi The President]

After the groundbreaking, record-setting success of Skyrim, TES doesn't really need as much publicity as people would like to believe it does. A literal JPEG of TES 6 at E3 set the internet on fire, and I can pretty much guarantee it's going to be another 30+ million lifetime seller after it releases as well.

Maybe for a Besthesda rep, not going for a mascot would make sense since there's enough human reps for them to go for, but just to prove a point Jack Frost is more of a SMT mascot than a Persona mascot. Persona itself has never at all had an iconic recurring character; less emphasis is placed on the demons/personas than in SMT and nobody is a recurring front-cover character, as the only real recurring human character is Igor who is always placed in a significantly more low-key role compared to the other characters. The closest thing we get to recurring mascot-level characters in Persona specifically is icons in certain roles; like how Morgana and Teddie are known more as non-human (or part-human in Teddie's case) sidekicks, Rise/Futaba/Aigis are known as support roles, and each protagonist is known as being the main face of each game, as it's the one you see most often.

Regardless, the points you make for Dovahkiin are good ones and anything's possible. I really don't have much of an idea in regards to non-Microsoft/Square/Nintendo reps, except for realizing that I forgot to mention Dante anywhere in my original post (which I should have).

Either way, Sakurai specifically said Nintendo picked the Fighters Pass fighters and Sakurai and his team only okayed them in a decision of whether or not they could be pulled off. There's no evidence that Nintendo wouldn't go for Geno, but there's a lot pointing more towards it being that way than not. Sakurai wanted Geno in Brawl, pushed hard for him to the point where Beware the Forest Mushrooms was found as an unused track in a Brawl datamine. It really makes me feel like it was EXTREMELY likely Square didn't want to cooperate, and Nintendo didn't want to bother pushing them to, so Sakurai had to settle without Geno. Would also explain why he went as far as making splash art for something as small as a Geno Mii Fighter costume.

Regardless, I'm a long time SM RPG fan, played the game as a kid and loved it, love Geno and he's been my top requested fighter since I started following Brawl speculation in 2007. I'm just a realist who tries to look at the signs when there aren't any direct facts present, and to me, it's looking like Geno won't be in until Sakurai has full, 100% unadulterated control over the DLC again.

And just how much more hype do you think a TES rep in the biggest gaming crossover ever would cause?

Nintendo can push as hard as they want, but if they didn't want Geno in they can't get Geno in. I just think assuming Nintendo didn't push for him is a big leap is all.

 

[Will]

Dovahkiin gang when Doomguy gets in after they were forgotten about literally all cycle but cheer on their Bethesda brother and fellow icon anyway
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I'd rather have Oblivion Guy than Dovahkiin if I'm gonna be real Skyrim-wise.

Or just put in Todd Howard, make him a character. Why not?

 

[TheBeastHimself]

The GSP system is kinda bs

Lose a match and you lose tons of GSP and that's your only way to get the Elite mode. More often than not you get thrown into a match with items and lose thousands and thousands of GSP. Losing about 100,000 is like 2-3 matches.

 

[LetterO]

Dovahkiin gang when Doomguy gets in after they were forgotten about literally all cycle but cheer on their Bethesda brother and fellow icon anyway
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I'll be happy with a Bethesda character whether I'm ripping and tearing OR shouting at my opponents. Much respect to Dovahkiin gang.

 

[Idon]

As someone who has put 500+ hours into Skyrim, let me just say...

I absolutely hate it, and I'm pushing Doomguy all the way.

No more, Todd. No more.

 

[Untouch]

I think I'd be pretty disappointed if we get NO western reps at all.
Like I'd understand why, the communication barriers would be a problem, western reps are a large part of Nintendo's history too, it can't be denied.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Or just put in Todd Howard, make him a character. Why not?

His final smash would be announcing a thousand more ports of Skyrim, overwhelming the opponents with hype, giving them the urge to buy every single version of it.

 

[Will]

I think I'd be pretty disappointed if we get NO western reps at all.
Like I'd understand why, the communication barriers would be a problem, western reps are a large part of Nintendo's history too, it can't be denied.

dude

 

[SquashiniKun]

His final smash would be announcing a thousand more ports of Skyrim, overwhelming the opponents with hype, and giving them the urge to buy every single version of it.

Or better yet, when you download him into the game, it just turns into Skyrim.

 

[Knight Dude]

I've had a similar conversation with Dragonball fans over the Xenoverse games.

"Ah man, Xenoverse is so much better than the old DBZ games."
"Yeah, but it's archaic and plays like ****."
"But it's better than anything they made before! And look at the graphics!"
"Yeah, but it still looks like ****."
"If you want a game where you can punch Vegeta with Goku, this is about as good as it gets."
"Why do I feel like I'm the only one who realizes this is ****?"

Arc System Works releases DB FighterZ.

"OH MAN THIS IS THE BEST DBZ GAME EVER. It's so much better than Xenoverse was!"
"Yeah. I know. That game was ****."

Gamefreak certainly knows its audience and all, but without the Pokemon name attached, I think their games would lose to the competition more often than not.

DBFZ definitely the best DBZ game in a long time. But I'd rather go back to Budokai 2, Budokai 3 and Infinite World than touch a Xenoverse game myself. I don't gel with it's combat system. Super DBZ on PS2 had some stuff too.

>Ed Boon Tweeted about Smash
>2015, at the beginning of the development of Smash Ultimate
>Today we have Mortal Kombat 11 on the Nintendo Switch
>This is the first MK Japan will get to buy in 10 years
>This is the first MK game on a Nintendo console in 13 years
>Classic Scorpion is the Face of Mortal Kombat 11

The facts are adding up
Maybe its realy time to think about Scorpion in Smash Brothers my friends

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Him and/or Sub-Zero would be pretty hype for me. But since Japan never got into MK, I kind of doubt it. I think even Killer Instinct got more Japanese fans than MK, and that's only because of the third game.

 

[Deleted member]

Man I can just smell that bias.

For my picks of who I think has no chance for the current Fighters Pass, there's zero bias. I have a minimal amount of nostalgia for Banjo, I'm 100% neutral towards Minecraft, a HUGE DKC fan, and a SM RPG fanboy. I'm just a realist, is all.

And just how much more hype do you think a TES rep in the biggest gaming crossover ever would cause?

Nintendo can push as hard as they want, but if they didn't want Geno in they can't get Geno in. I just think assuming Nintendo didn't push for him is a big leap is all.

I mean more hype is always good, but when people have multiple IPs to work with, they're usually more likely to go for one that's starting to slip (eg a broken, buggy online multiplayer mess receiving tons of scrutiny by the masses) than one that's already incredibly well-defined.

Nintendo probably did push for him but odds are it wasn't as hard as they could have, which makes me believe even more-so that they only went for him because of Sakurai and not out of personal preference.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

After the groundbreaking, record-setting success of Skyrim, TES doesn't really need as much publicity as people would like to believe it does. A literal JPEG of TES 6 at E3 set the internet on fire, and I can pretty much guarantee it's going to be another 30+ million lifetime seller after it releases as well.

Maybe for a Besthesda rep, not going for a mascot would make sense since there's enough human reps for them to go for, but just to prove a point Jack Frost is more of a SMT mascot than a Persona mascot. Persona itself has never at all had an iconic recurring character; less emphasis is placed on the demons/personas than in SMT and nobody is a recurring front-cover character, as the only real recurring human character is Igor who is always placed in a significantly more low-key role compared to the other characters. The closest thing we get to recurring mascot-level characters in Persona specifically is icons in certain roles; like how Morgana and Teddie are known more as non-human (or part-human in Teddie's case) sidekicks, Rise/Futaba/Aigis are known as support roles, and each protagonist is known as being the main face of each game, as it's the one you see most often.

Regardless, the points you make for Dovahkiin are good ones and anything's possible. I really don't have much of an idea in regards to non-Microsoft/Square/Nintendo reps, except for realizing that I forgot to mention Dante anywhere in my original post (which I should have).

Either way, Sakurai specifically said Nintendo picked the Fighters Pass fighters and Sakurai and his team only okayed them in a decision of whether or not they could be pulled off. There's no evidence that Nintendo wouldn't go for Geno, but there's a lot pointing more towards it being that way than not. Sakurai wanted Geno in Brawl, pushed hard for him to the point where Beware the Forest Mushrooms was found as an unused track in a Brawl datamine. It really makes me feel like it was EXTREMELY likely Square didn't want to cooperate, and Nintendo didn't want to bother pushing them to, so Sakurai had to settle without Geno. Would also explain why he went as far as making splash art for something as small as a Geno Mii Fighter costume.

Regardless, I'm a long time SM RPG fan, played the game as a kid and loved it, love Geno and he's been my top requested fighter since I started following Brawl speculation in 2007. I'm just a realist who tries to look at the signs when there aren't any direct facts present, and to me, it's looking like Geno won't be in until Sakurai has full, 100% unadulterated control over the DLC again.

The issue that I see with your logic and the fact that Skyrim is so massively popular is that when the next Elder Scrolls comes out, the casual players who jumped on with Skyrim and know it solely as "Skyrim" are going to say "what is Elder Scrolls? I want more Skyrim".

 

[Idon]

Super DBZ on PS2 had some stuff too.

Bring back Chi-chi for DBFZ guys.
Give her that pole and fan and she could probably keep up with Beerus, god of destruction, destroyer of worlds,

 

[Knight Dude]

dude

To add to that. .

You can make them in Squad Strike son.

 

[Will]

For my picks of who I think has no chance for the current Fighters Pass, there's zero bias. I have a minimal amount of nostalgia for Banjo, I'm 100% neutral towards Minecraft, a HUGE DKC fan, and a SM RPG fanboy. I'm just a realist, is all.

And what's so real about Banjo of all things if you're compensating so much?

 

[Luigi The President]

And what's so real about Banjo of all things if you're compensating so much?

Ahh and here we are with Ariga's classic #****B&K move. How I've missed this

 

[Idon]

The issue that I see with your logic and the fact that Skyrim is so massively popular is that when the next Elder Scrolls comes out, the casual players who jumped on with Skyrim and know it solely as "Skyrim" are going to say "what is Elder Scrolls? I want more Skyrim".

*Todd reveals official gameplay of TESVI*
*Title card appears*
*The 'I' in TESVI splits into two. A hyphen fades inbetween the V and the II*
"THE ELDER SCROLLS V - II"
"SKYRIM 2"

 

[Deleted member]

The issue that I see with your logic and the fact that Skyrim is so massively popular is that when the next Elder Scrolls comes out, the casual players who jumped on with Skyrim and know it solely as "Skyrim" are going to say "what is Elder Scrolls? I want more Skyrim".

Bethesda may really drop the ball at times, but they've rarely ever truly failed with marketing. They'll find a way to show everyone that TES 6 is a sequel to Skyrim, mark my words.

 

[Idon]

Bethesda may really drop the ball at times, but they've rarely ever truly failed with marketing. They'll find a way to show everyone that TES 6 is a sequel to Skyrim, mark my words.

They'll show it by getting a bug 5 minutes into their first gameplay demo.

 

[Noipoi]

Ahh and here we are with Ariga's classic #****B&K move. How I've missed this

I like to think think Banjo pissed in his cereal and he never got over it.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Atleast one person here already knows about this...but ZeRo has been using my ***** Pit for a good amount of time in Ultimate...maybe he’ll sub him

 

[Deleted member]

This page is very much Todd approved. Keep fughting the good fight, Skyrim for Smash!

 

[Deleted member]

They'll show it by getting a bug 5 minutes into their first gameplay demo.

I mean hey, whatever works y'know?

 

[Idon]

Atleast one person here already knows about this...but ZeRo has been using my ***** Pit for a good amount of time in Ultimate...maybe he’ll sub him

He has picked every single character on his stream. Don't let it get to your head.

 

[Will]

Ahh and here we are with Ariga's classic #****B&K move. How I've missed this

If you're going to try and invalidate my argument by saying I don't like BK when you have nothing to prove it then why are you here?

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Movie!Sonic for smash

SO I CAN BEAT THE LITERAL **** OUT OF HIM LIKE THE PIECE OF **** HE IS!

 

[TMNTSSB4]

He has picked every single character on his stream. Don't let it get to your head.

I mean outside of his streams. Saw some videos from a guy named Hackoru has ZeRo using Pit for a long time in Squad Strike and in a war with Lucina

 

[Luigi The President]

If you're going to try and invalidate my argument by saying I don't like BK when you have nothing to prove it then why are you here?

If you can show me where I invalidated your argument I will gladly leave
Luckily I didn't and was simply lampshading how you comically disparage B&K most times they're bought up in terms of if they could be in or not
Lol Ariga you should know better at this point

 

[Knight Dude]

Doomguy/Doom Slayer would be worth it alone for all the music. It's main theme alone is pretty iconic. Not my personal favorite or anything, but a pretty cool choice nonetheless.

 

[Noipoi]

If you're going to try and invalidate my argument by saying I don't like BK when you have nothing to prove it then why are you here?

Because someone's gotta keep your massive ego in check

 

[Will]

If you can show me where I invalidated your argument I will gladly leave

You didn't. There's a difference between doing something and trying to do something.

If you're going to try and invalidate

Luckily I didn't and was simply lampshading how you comically disparage B&K most times they're bought up in terms of if they could be in or not

People blindly assume that he's the one and only possible solution for a Microsoft situation. I disagree. When people cried Geno, I said Cloud. When people cry Banjo, I said Steve. I can also use Master Chief, who I'm now putting up on my #1.

Lol Ariga you should know better at this point

And so should you.

Because someone's gotta keep your massive ego in check

I can maintain my own ego and inflate it whenever I want.

 

[Lyna of Dark Fowl]

This is my first post ever. I just got in to smash Bros about two days ago. I love the game now and I'm really excited for Joker. Persona 5 is awesome.

 

[Luigi The President]

You didn't. There's a difference between doing something and trying to do something.





People blindly assume that he's the one and only possible solution for a Microsoft situation. I disagree. When people cried Geno, I said Cloud. When people cry Banjo, I said Steve.


And so should you.


I can maintain my own ego and inflate it whenever I want.

...and I wasn't even trying to invalidate your argument?
I'm having a laugh, Ariga. Hate to bust out the "it was a joke" card but...it was a joke. The "ah the classic" should've tipped you off to that. Come on man.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Probably the ones to keep an eye on in my eyes are

Scropion or/and sub-zero
Poochy
Sylux
Square rep
Ryu Hayabusa
Battletoads
Crash bandicoot

Those is what I can think of any other ones I missed?

 

[Zinith]

This is my first post ever. I just got in to smash Bros about two days ago. I love the game now and I'm really excited for Joker. Persona 5 is awesome.

Hi there, I'm Zinith

Cute doggo...

 

[Noipoi]

This is my first post ever. I just got in to smash Bros about two days ago. I love the game now and I'm really excited for Joker. Persona 5 is awesome.

Howdy! Folks call me Noipoi! Welcome to the boards! Cute Puppy!

I can maintain my own ego and inflate it whenever I want.

sure you can.

 

[Luigi The President]

This is my first post ever. I just got in to smash Bros about two days ago. I love the game now and I'm really excited for Joker. Persona 5 is awesome.

Welcome to the forums. I love your dog!

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

This is my first post ever. I just got in to smash Bros about two days ago. I love the game now and I'm really excited for Joker. Persona 5 is awesome.

Well then, welcome to thread...

We're quite a colorful bunch here. You'll get acquainted with most of us pretty quickly...
(also, nice dog)