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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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you are literally the only person i associate with that is this bent out of shape over that

i'm the same way about other things. same mood.

it's okay friend


though, you don't actually know that what you're upset about is true.
The fear is the main problem.

And there are more things wrong with that trailer (MCU designs and main villains, cartoony graphics compared to the more mature ones from 1 and 2, and a few things more).
 

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First the insult that was Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3... And now Other M over the Prime Trilogy!?

Is the world trying to make me evil?


There are more things wrong with that game besides that.
Jesus christ he never shuts up about it does he?

We.get.it.
 

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So did Cloud get some sort of buff that wasn't a universal buff given to all characters? Idk if it's because of the game engine or something, but I've found him suuuuuper fun to play, I might even be considering maining him over Shulk (blasphemous, I know)
Must be the slick movement. I might consider making more mains, with probably both added. I think I'm going to love Shulk's still technical style, and Cloud's cool enough.
 

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First the insult that was Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3... And now Other M over the Prime Trilogy!?

Is the world trying to make me evil?


There are more things wrong with that game besides that.
Could you please tone it down a bit? Besides, it's off-topic for this thread. This has nothing to do with Smash. Nintenzone is that-a-way~
 
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God, Ultimate is so amazing

If marrying game cartridges was legal I would've married in a heartbeat
Just don’t kiss the cartridge, because it doesn’t feel good.

Could you please tone it down a bit? Besides, it's off-topic for this thread. This has nothing to do with Smash. Nintenzone is that-a-way~
I will try.

But my depression just hits me hard.
 
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So, which boss is the easiest?

Ganon seems kind of pathetic compared to the rest of them. Slow, telegraphed attacks and all.



Marx is a ***** since, while he takes a lot of damage, he is fast as hell, and Dracula seems like a pain since he can only be hurt in the head.
 
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So, which boss is the easiest?

Ganon seems kind of pathetic compared to the rest of them. Slow, telegraphed attacks and all.



Marx is a ***** since, while he takes a lot of damage, he is fast as hell, and Dracula seems like a pain since he can only be hurt in the head.
I actually find Dracula the easiest.
 

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So, which boss is the easiest?

Ganon seems kind of pathetic compared to the rest of them. Slow, telegraphed attacks and all.



Marx is a ***** since, while he takes a lot of damage, he is fast as hell, and Dracula seems like a pain since he can only be hurt in the head.
I found Ganon the hardest, personally. Although I kind of forgot you could jump over him in Smash when I faced him as Link. Ooops...

Easiest is Master Hand by his lonesome. There is no reason for anyone experienced in Smash to die to him. To be fair, some of us know his moves for four games now. They still tried to give him new things and even buffed some of the classic moves....but he remains the easiest boss.
 

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I found Ganon the hardest, personally. Although I kind of forgot you could jump over him in Smash when I faced him as Link. Ooops...

Easiest is Master Hand by his lonesome. There is no reason for anyone experienced in Smash to die to him. To be fair, some of us know his moves for four games now. They still tried to give him new things and even buffed some of the classic moves....but he remains the easiest boss.
Does Master Hand stay solo even on the highest difficulty?


or are some classic routes just Master and others Master+Crazy?
 
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So, any particular reason why WoL is getting mixed reactions? Most of what I've seen of it looks dope.
 

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Come on. You all know you want it.
 

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So, any particular reason why WoL is getting mixed reactions? Most of what I've seen of it looks dope.
Because it's actually garbage.

It's just non-stop CPU battles over and over and over again except they all have a really dumb gimmick.
Like holy ****, I think some of these spirit battles were made by people who hate players.
 
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So, any particular reason why WoL is getting mixed reactions? Most of what I've seen of it looks dope.
It's fairly lengthy and obtaining fighters via this mode (not to unlock them - just to get them join the WoL roster) is too time consuming. Many people don't have the patience or will power to go through countless matches.

It's all about taste. I love it. It's addicting and the gacha mechanics work nicely.
 
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I don’t.
 

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Honestly, I'd prefer Kurama over Hiei. If there ever was an anime equivalent to Yoshi for me, it'd be him...

And where's Toriko?
 

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Consider this though.

There is a non-zero chance of this happening compared to those >.
And if Capcom does it, they would be shooting themselves in the foot. Twice. They may as well crucify themselves with bullets, because the stakes would be way too high for them to reach. >:L

Ok, but hear me on this:

Nintendo vs Marvel vs Capcom vs DC vs SNK

Just sayin’...
Look man, I'd love for Capcom to seduce all companies and get them to make this gigantic impossible crossover, but my point still stands:

Keep Marvel away FOR NOW please.

So, which boss is the easiest?

Ganon seems kind of pathetic compared to the rest of them. Slow, telegraphed attacks and all.



Marx is a ***** since, while he takes a lot of damage, he is fast as hell, and Dracula seems like a pain since he can only be hurt in the head.
I love Marx, actually. He's my favorite boss so far. Second would be Rathalos, but that's because I play Monster Hunter as well. The references to his fight are neat.
 

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Honestly, I'd prefer Kurama over Hiei. If there ever was an anime equivalent to Yoshi for me, it'd be him...

And where's Toriko?
I removed Toriko because of the crime the author did. Same reason I removed Kenshin Himura.

I also had removed the rivals thing because it was halting me from making a good roster. Shame because I was liking it.
 
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My thoughts on the Joker "leak" from earlier:

Alright, here's the main takeaway: Edelgard is the new Lyn and I think the one 4chan post was just koala-bearing off people's basic expectations of DLC because it's "safe." People have basically attached themselves to the character because she appears to be the most unique between her, Dimitri, and Claude. The trailer shows she can use axes and I think it's been suggested that she can do magic too. A magic using axe user does sound badass but she's not the main character. She's a secondary character. The main character is Byleth. The story is told from his perspective. It's unclear if he's a customizable avatar or not but that's irrelevant. Smash has never added secondary characters first for Fire Emblem. Lucina came with Robin and Chrom came with this game (in more ways than one, ZING!). Lucina and Chrom are both echoes. That should be telling enough. Marth, Ike, Roy, Robin, and Corrin are all the lead characters of their respective games. Lyn has been an assist trophy since Brawl and Edelgard's role in Three Houses is almost identical in premise to the one that Lyn had in Fire Emblem: the Blazing Blade. This all being said, if Three Houses gets a playable character, it's going to be Byleth based on 17 years of character additions in Smash. It's literally Lyn, Hector, and Eliwood all over again.

Beyond this, does Fire Emblem really NEED more content? Is there really that much they can do with the series in Smash at this given time? It has 4 totally unique characters, 2 echoes (1 is all new), a semi clone, 3 stages, 3 assist trophies (2 are brand new), an item (brand new), 40 spirits, and 37 music tracks (with 10 brand new remixes). That's incredibly generous by all accounts especially when it's not even one of Nintendo's S tier series. Keep in mind that the DLC packs are a character, a stage, and more music. When Corrin came, it was just the character and like two music tracks. There is absolutely no reason to show this degree of favortism towards Fire Emblem. It doesn't need advertising. Sakurai practically put a gun in his mouth when they asked him to put in Corrin and now they're supposed to do yet another? Chrom was copy and paste with some adjustments, this is an entirely new character from the ground up. Corrin was also meant to not just advertise one game but technically THREE so that makes a lot more sense than one game on what's rapidly becoming what may wind up being Nintendo's most successful platform of all time.

This all said, my arguments against Sylux are practically the same. Metroid now has 3 unique characters (1 new to this game), 1 echo (new to this game), 4 stages, 2 assist trophies, an item, and 25 music tracks with 7 being new to Ultimate, It's also a series that's plenty well represented given its size and Metroid Prime 3 doesn't really need advertising given the Switch is a runaway success. This isn't to say that Edelgard and Sylux can't happen, I'm just saying people are banking on them way too hard despite the fact that both Fire Emblem and Metroid have had an avalanche on new content in this game. On top of this, Roy and Corrin are literally the only two "shill" characters in the entire history of the series. 5 of the 7 Smash 4 DLC characters were pure fan demand with Ryu being the most iconic fighting game crossover character ever, bar none. Almost 20 years of Smash and now people are expecting them to do two shill characters within months of each other, despite the fact that we just got Joker, a character whose main game is currently only available for the PS3 and PS4? In the end, it's not impossible for either but I think people need to take a step back and realize that both would be huge anomalies with everything that I've mentioned here.
 

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So, which boss is the easiest?

Ganon seems kind of pathetic compared to the rest of them. Slow, telegraphed attacks and all.



Marx is a ***** since, while he takes a lot of damage, he is fast as hell, and Dracula seems like a pain since he can only be hurt in the head.
Ganon is actually really damn hard because his only hurtbox is his tail, and it's a ***** with certain characters to get to that tail.
 
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So, any particular reason why WoL is getting mixed reactions? Most of what I've seen of it looks dope.
I personally like it, it feels like an evolution of events and it sort of reminds me of the Shadow Lords mode from KI 2013, which I enjoyed a lot.
On the other hand, it is really just endless CPU battles with stipulations, save a few bosses, and they can range from "what a joke" to "what is this absolute horse****" on a whim.
 

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So, any particular reason why WoL is getting mixed reactions? Most of what I've seen of it looks dope.
It gets awfully boring and monotonous if you play it for a long period of time, in one sitting. I'm pretty sure it was designed with the Switch's portability in mind, where you could beat a few spirits on the bus ride home or some ****. Naturally, some people ain't OK with that, just the same way people weren't OK with BOTW's shrines and SMO's moons.
 
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Because it's actually garbage.

It's just non-stop CPU battles over and over and over again except they all have a really dumb gimmick.
Like holy ****, I think some of these spirit battles were made by people who hate players.
...So it's every fighting game single player ever?

Also, nice to see that it's hard. I've come to appreciate a good challenge in my games nowadays. Even game modes I used to hate like A Hat in Time's Death Wish I've had a change of heart on, so I'm sure I'll enjoy it. Sorry it wasn't for you, though.
 

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I tell y'all. The next approach for Smash Bros. should be a Vs. crossover fighting game whether Jump Stars, Disney or Capcom. Capcom is the most likely but Jump Stars would be a pipe dream of mine.
 

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I personally like it, it feels like an evolution of events and it sort of reminds me of the Shadow Lords mode from KI 2013, which I enjoyed a lot.
On the other hand, it is really just endless CPU battles with stipulations, save a few bosses, and they can range from "what a joke" to "what is this absolute horse****" on a whim.
Yarn Yoshi Spirit battle was really getting on my nerves.
But I shall beat it. I must.

It feels good to have a challenge in single player mode in Smash again.
 
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