Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[StormC]

Part of me expects a total curveball for a Pokemon this Smash. I think the main thing that makes Decidueye stand a good chance is it's possible GameFreak planned ahead of time to push him, and thus his appearance in Pokken, but really it could be almost anything. Mimikyu has such a weird design that Sakurai might either find it too difficult to work as a fighter or that is exactly what would draw him to it. Somehow, I feel like what we get might not be what any of us expect.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Speaking of Pokemon. I've noticed a lot of things about Mimikyu relating to his merits.

• Heavily promoted and popular
• Appears as a Totem Pokemon with a backstory and talks
• Member of Team Rocket/Several appearances in Anime
• Basically a rival to Pikachu and resembles him, drawing interesting in his design
• Ghost Pokemon

I've never been mad about a character's inclusion in Super Smash Bros before. But, if any Pokemon gets in over Mimikyu, I'm gonna be super pissed off.

I'd still take Decidueye over it, the grass owl archer is an awesome concept and the moveset could be incredible. I just don't think mimikyu as a character would be all that interesting tbh and it seems like they'd be hard to implement given the lack of limbs. Or they could add that zeraroaraoaa whatever (I haven't kept up with USUM), that's gonna be in the movie right? would make sense

 

[Polan]

An opinion isn't wrong. It's an opinion. But I think there's a difference between "here's what I think would make the game better/more well-rounded" and "here's what I want specifically for me."

I wouldn't have minded his opinion if he hadn't gone ahead and called Jiggly a Kirby clone. You can have an opinion, but at the very least try not prop it up with inaccurate bull****.

 

[Danpal65]

Here's a thought about Pokémon reps. What if the idea is to keep it at 6 so as to mimic the number of Pokémon you can have in your party at any one time? None of the games have broken this maximum, not even Brawl with the Pokémon Trainer.

That being said, trying to come up with "rules" that Sakurai abides by is kinda ridiculous and nye impossible.

 

[NintendoKnight]

As far as Gen 2 Pokemon go, I prefer the greatest thing since sliced bread:

But Heracross would work great for me, too.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I wouldn't have minded his opinion if he hadn't gone ahead and called Jiggly a Kirby clone. You can have an opinion, but at the very least try not prop it up with inaccurate bull****.

Jigglypuff started off as one, though it's not the same extremity as other clones, she still was retooled from his model with many of the same attacks(and did update, but her own style barely changed where Kirby got way more updates). So she is still one... from the first game. It's not completely inaccurate.

 

[StormC]

Here's a thought about Pokémon reps. What if the idea is to keep it at 6 so as to mimic the number of Pokémon you can have in your party at any one time? None of the games have broken this maximum, not even Brawl with the Pokémon Trainer.

That being said, trying to come up with "rules" that Sakurai bids by is kinda ridiculous and nye impossible.

I think all the Pokemon in Smash right now are perfectly fine and don't need to be cut. If they just keep it at one newcomer each game, the roster will remain manageable.

 

[MrReyes96]

I wouldn't have minded his opinion if he hadn't gone ahead and called Jiggly a Kirby clone. You can have an opinion, but at the very least try not prop it up with inaccurate bull****.

I never called Jiggly a Kirby clone?

 

[Danpal65]

I think all the Pokemon in Smash right now are perfectly fine and don't need to be cut. If they just keep it at one newcomer each game, the roster will remain manageable.

That'd certainly keep it manageable. Although, with this game I can see one being in the base roster (personally I think Decidueye), and then have a Gen 8 mon get in as DLC. That wouldn't be too bad either.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

it seems like they'd be hard to implement given the lack of limbs.

His lack of what now?

 

[StormC]

As far as Gen 2 Pokemon go, I prefer the greatest thing since sliced bread:

But Heracross would work great for me, too.

Scizor and Tyranitar are my two favorite gen 2 Pokemon and both would make awesome Smash fighters. If I could go back in time and add a gen 2 Pokemon that wasn't a clone, I would probably go with Tyranitar due to being a pseudo-legendary and being something of a surprise due to how obscure (yet significant) he is in Gold and Silver.

 

[Polan]

I never called Jiggly a Kirby clone?

I was talking about Pakky.

 

[Hinata]

If Mimikyu gets in, I hope its Final Smash is just showing opponents what's under the disguise.

Because if I remember correctly, a Pokedex entry states that whatever is under Mimikyu's disguise is so terrifying, it will kill you if you look at it.

 

[StormC]

That'd certainly keep it manageable. Although, with this game I can see one being in the base roster (personally I think Decidueye), and then have a Gen 8 mon get in as DLC. That wouldn't be too bad either.

I could see a gen 8 mon as DLC due to the unique timing of this smash game, and that'd be perfectly fine for me. Pokemon having more characters than Mario would be kinda crazy (since I feel like there isn't an obvious choice for a Mario newcomer barring maybe Captain Toad this time around), but technically that already happened with Brawl.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Seems like a bad idea to assume Decidueye as the newcomer because he's a starter and the last newcomer was a starter.

I know I'm a Mimikyu fanboy, but when it comes to a character with popularity, unique traits, and move set potential, Decidueye falls short in comparison to Mimikyu.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Here's a thought about Pokémon reps. What if the idea is to keep it at 6 so as to mimic the number of Pokémon you can have in your party at any one time? None of the games have broken this maximum, not even Brawl with the Pokémon Trainer.

That being said, trying to come up with "rules" that Sakurai abides by is kinda ridiculous and nye impossible.

That would be a rather cruel way to represent the franchise within Smash

Imagine an interview where the interviewer asked Sakurai, "So why did you choose to not add any new playable Pokemon to Smash Switch?"

Sakurai: "We tried, but something kept making us put one of them in the PC, so we decided to stick with what we had."

 

[TumblrFamous]

I'd still take Decidueye over it, the grass owl archer is an awesome concept and the moveset could be incredible. I just don't think mimikyu as a character would be all that interesting tbh and it seems like they'd be hard to implement given the lack of limbs. Or they could add that zeraroaraoaa whatever (I haven't kept up with USUM), that's gonna be in the movie right? would make sense

See I love the idea for Decidueye, an archer character is something that hasn't been done before... but Mimikyu is so cute and I love it so I want it in.

Everything I want and wish is entirely out of self-interest.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Seems like a bad idea to assume Decidueye as the newcomer because he's a starter and the last newcomer was a starter.

I know I'm a Mimikyu fanboy, but when it comes to a character with popularity, unique traits, and move set potential, Decidueye falls short in comparison to Mimikyu.

idk about moveset potential, the whole archer archetype puts them higher imo

His lack of what now?

lol I forgot about those, but still it's body is weird, like I'm having trouble visualising it running and jumping around and doing attacks and aerial attacks.

 

[MrReyes96]

If you guys had to pick Pokémon you love out of all 800 to add in smash which would you add?

I’d pick Golurk, a big ghost/ground type Pokémon would be unlike any other one in the game so far.
I’d also love Hawlucha, a flying/fighting type wrestler bird is almost too perfect for smash.

 

[StormC]

Seems like a bad idea to assume Decidueye as the newcomer because he's a starter and the last newcomer was a starter.

I know I'm a Mimikyu fanboy, but when it comes to a character with popularity, unique traits, and move set potential, Decidueye falls short in comparison to Mimikyu.

Except we already know the Pokemon Company has a vested interest in Decidueye thanks to Pokken and Decidueye offers a niche as a dedicated archer that hasn't been filled outside of the Links and Pits having it for a single attack. Decidueye is also very popular both in Pokemon and Smash communities, but popularity really wouldn't factor in because I'd practically guarantee the roster was decided before Sun/Moon even came out.

If you guys had to pick Pokémon you love out of all 800 to add in smash which would you add?

I’d pick Golurk, a big ghost/ground type Pokémon would be unlike any other one in the game so far.
I’d also love Hawlucha, a flying/fighting type wrestler bird is almost too perfect for smash.

Infernape is my all time favorite Pokemon and he'd be a perfect fit for Smash. Could even come out with DP remakes.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

If you guys had to pick Pokémon you love out of all 800 to add in smash which would you add?

I’d pick Golurk, a big ghost/ground type Pokémon would be unlike any other one in the game so far.
I’d also love Hawlucha, a flying/fighting type wrestler bird is almost too perfect for smash.

Ribombee because that's my favourite pokemon and it's mad cute, plus they'd be a fun character, a quick, aerial based magic user. Or Garchomp who was my previous favourite.

edit: Or sylveon, I love sylveon and a quadruped fighter that uses ribbons and magic sounds dope

 

[MrReyes96]

Infernape is my all time favorite Pokemon and he'd be a perfect fit for Smash. Could even come out with DP remakes.

The Gen 4 starters are underrated
One of those gens where all 3 of the starters are fantastic
I’m surprised infernape wasn’t in Pokken

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Hawlucha because lucha bird just screams fighting game and he hasn't been in any yet? What is Nintendo thinking? What are they doing? Are they stupid?!

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

If you guys had to pick Pokémon you love out of all 800 to add in smash which would you add?

I’d pick Golurk, a big ghost/ground type Pokémon would be unlike any other one in the game so far.
I’d also love Hawlucha, a flying/fighting type wrestler bird is almost too perfect for smash.

It'd be a tough toss-up for me between Midday Lycanroc and Zeraora. While we don't know much about Zeraora right now, it's design has heavily resonated with me and I absolutely adore the design. Midday Lycanroc has been my favorite Pokemon of all time, I've used it in 3 playthroughs of SM/USUM and would gladly use it again. Plus it brings the Rock type to Smash, though I find type representation within Smash arbitrary.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

idk about moveset potential, the whole archer archetype puts them higher imo

Mimikyu has a variety of Ghost Moves and unique traits beyond just moves. Such as his decoy/busted form and his fabric tearing.

I'm aware Decidueye is technically a Ghost Pokemon, but most of his moves would be grass type. Having a character that uses archery or more than just one special would definitely bring something new.

They both have great potential, but Mimikyu has pretty much everything else going for him.

 

[StormC]

The Gen 4 starters are underrated
One of those gens where all 3 of the starters are fantastic
I’m surprised infernape wasn’t in Pokken

I would have bought Pokken if Infernape was in it, 100%. Scizor, Weavile and Mewtwo are all in my top 5, even.

 

[Danpal65]

If you guys had to pick Pokémon you love out of all 800 to add in smash which would you add?

I’d pick Golurk, a big ghost/ground type Pokémon would be unlike any other one in the game so far.
I’d also love Hawlucha, a flying/fighting type wrestler bird is almost too perfect for smash.

Gimme my Flygon!

Ground and Dragon representation in one of the coolest looking dragon types. I mean it is a dragonfly that can control sandstorms, which could work well in it's moveset.

 

[MrReyes96]

Hawlucha because lucha bird just screams fighting game and he hasn't been in any yet? What is Nintendo thinking? What are they doing? Are they stupid?!

How is he not in Pokken???
WYD POKÉMON COMPANY

 

[PLATINUM7]

If you guys had to pick Pokémon you love out of all 800 to add in smash which would you add?

I’d pick Golurk, a big ghost/ground type Pokémon would be unlike any other one in the game so far.
I’d also love Hawlucha, a flying/fighting type wrestler bird is almost too perfect for smash.

Snorlax

And I'd give him rest as down b and watch the world burn.

Snorlax being my favourite Pokemon trumps my preference for Pokemon outside of gen I.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

How is he not in Pokken???
WYD POKÉMON COMPANY

They're adding crazy Mons that people wouldn't expect like Aegislash, who is also one of my favorite Pokemon

 

[Hinata]

Hawlucha because lucha bird just screams fighting game and he hasn't been in any yet? What is Nintendo thinking? What are they doing? Are they stupid?!

You have a point. There are a lot of Pokemon that look like they could have a ton of potential, but Sakurai's just sleeping on them hard.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Except we already know the Pokemon Company has a vested interest in Decidueye thanks to Pokken and Decidueye offers a niche as a dedicated archer that hasn't been filled outside of the Links and Pits having it for a single attack. Decidueye is also very popular both in Pokemon and Smash communities, but popularity really wouldn't factor in because I'd practically guarantee the roster was decided before Sun/Moon even came out.

You realize Mimikyu is also in Pokken too, right? Not that being playable in Pokken should be an indication of GameFreak's invested interest.

If you wanna talk about GameFreak's invested interest, why were they so obsessed with promoting Mimikyu? A song, a major role in the anime, a totem trial.

How is Decidueye's appearance in Pokken any more an indication of GameFreak's "invested interest" than Zeraora, who is going to be in the new movie? Or Mimikyu who is a member of Team Rocket in the anime?

When did Pokken Tournament become the end all be all? Like, if anything, shouldn't the fact that Decidueye is already playable in a fighting game kind of cheapen his appearance in Super Smash Bros?

 

[NintendoKnight]

How is he not in Pokken???
WYD POKÉMON COMPANY

BLASTOISE BABY

 

[MrReyes96]

They're adding crazy Mons that people wouldn't expect like Aegislash, who is also one of my favorite Pokemon

Yeah he was a great choice, there’s still room for dlc on the character selections screen. Hawlucha, Golurk, Bisharp, Samurott, Pangoro are all some of my most wanted Pokken characters..

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

You realize Mimikyu is also in Pokken too, right? Not that being playable in Pokken should be an indication of GameFreak's invested interest.

If you wanna talk about GameFreak's invested interest, why were they so obsessed with promoting Mimikyu? A song, a major role in the anime, a totem trial.

How is Decidueye's appearance in Pokken any more an indication of GameFreak's "invested interest" than Zeraora, who is going to be in the new movie? Or Mimikyu who is a member of Team Rocket in the anime?

*Cries in Meowth*

 

[Blargg888]

If you guys had to pick Pokémon you love out of all 800 to add in smash which would you add?

I’d pick Golurk, a big ghost/ground type Pokémon would be unlike any other one in the game so far.
I’d also love Hawlucha, a flying/fighting type wrestler bird is almost too perfect for smash.

Chandelure, Decidueye, Aegislash, Latias, Ivysaur (again), and Eevee.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

*Cries in Meowth*

Mimikyu drowned Meowth! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Spoiler

Or at least made Meowth hallucinate that he was dead face first in a lake.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Honestly, Meowth would be such a fun character to play as in Smash. Using things like Payday, Fury Swipes, and give him some sneaky abilities to liken him to Team Rocket. His Final Smash could have him call one of his infanmous Team Rocket Mechs or something.

 

[MrReyes96]

BLASTOISE BABY

He was my first Pokémon, even as I’ve been against the bias for gen1 in smash, I would gladly take Blastoise. Just add Squirtle and Bowser in a blender.

 

[StormC]

You realize Mimikyu is also in Pokken too, right? Not that being playable in Pokken should be an indication of GameFreak's invested interest.

If you wanna talk about GameFreak's invested interest, why were they so obsessed with promoting Mimikyu? A song, a major role in the anime, a totem trial.

How is Decidueye's appearance in Pokken any more an indication of GameFreak's "invested interest" than Zeraora, who is going to be in the new movie? Or Mimikyu who is a member of Team Rocket in the anime?

I said the Pokemon Company, not GameFreak. Sakurai consults with TPC for Pokemon characters for Smash and they might choose to suggest Decidueye because he's a starter that fits perfectly into a fighting game, which they clearly agreed with for Pokken, who for a time was the sole representative of gen 7 until Mimikyu was later revealed.

Mimikyu certainly has a lot going for him. So does Decidueye. You really shouldn't be looking to tear down Decidueye to make Mimikyu look better/more likely.

EDIT: Also we have no idea when Zeraora was created/designed. He might not have even existed when Sakurai was making character choices.