Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Bowserlick]

I'd love to see them add more classes to the Mii Fighter's repertoire.

Speaking of which, if they were to add more classes for the Mii Fighters, what new class would you guys want to see?

Mii-saurus

You can make a kaiju out of a human.

 

[Hinata]

I never understood people who advocate for Sakurai to cut one of the original 12. These guys have been here since the beginning, and you wanna get rid of em?

 

[MrReyes96]

Honestly, They need to cut her, the time for fairies have come and went. If they need a fairy maybe they'll be a Starter, a better one (Primarina is just upsetting) that will be multi-layered, like Greninja of two of the three gen 7 starters.

I mean I agree if only because we already have too many gen 1 Pokémon but being one of the original 12 she’s relatively safe. I would be okay with just changing her completely at least, and evolving her would be a good way to do it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Senselessbreak i'm assuming this is you based on the username, but good breakdown of the leak on GameFAQs. Everything you pointed out here was really well done and examined. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros/76517894

I really don't know what to think about this one, but even Omni or anybody else looking at it won't do much. I get the feelings it's for clicks rather than actually proving it wrong because frankly, you can't. Well, unless you can literally replicate it with mods. Like, exactly replicate it. I hear a lot of "it's a mod of Little Mac" for Spring Man, but that's either a meme or bad memory of the idle stance. I mean, I suppose somebody could mod all of that stuff, but painstakingly like this for a leak? The video seems more convincing than the pictures, but I think it's all up in the air at this point.

It's a first glance thing. It reminds you of Little Mac. Not a meme, just a simplistic observation. It was my first thought too. Of course, I'm wrong about it being the same, and frankly, i'm glad I am. Nobody's perfect after all.

What I find interesting is the fact the videos haven't been taken down. CroonerMike, from what I understand, made sure to tweet Fuzzy's video to Nintendo itself. Which means they blatantly know about it. It not being taken down could be an easy case of "we can't let them know" again. But as you(or it was someone else, maybe Vaanrose) said before, NDA's are actually extremely fickle. Combined with the whole "if we remove this, people will assume it's real" factor, and it's hard to actually make a move as is.

 

[New_Dumal]

Because he compiled a whole bunch of other subject matter in the same video. The Mythra figure, the Donkey Kong cheating, salt about not being in the Smash Invitational and a streamer accidentally showing porn.

There's a reason why I didn't post the video here. Even if he used the Smash Leak as clickbait.

Why is Etika salt about not being in the Smash invitational ? Are people already chosen?
I never saw anything about who is going... how it's possible for him to say he was not invited ?

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That Smash news will happen at max at E3 is a given, but what/who do you guys think will happen ?
I think at least 2 more newcomers will be showed. Will be sad if they're exactly Decidueye and Spring Man.
Probably the next third-party will be announced within the E3 presentation. They must build HYPE...something that Decidueye and Spring Man are kinda limited to do.I really think that if Spring Man is in the start roster, he will be showed at E3. Sorry if I'm wrong, but there's a announced ARMS tourney in the middle of the expo, right ?

I also think that...if Snake has a slightest chance to return, E3 is his deadline.
I seriously doubt he will happen afterwards. His return would be almost as epic as the Mega Man announcement.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I mean I agree if only because we already have too many gen 1 Pokémon but being one of the original 12 she’s relatively safe. I would be okay with just changing her completely at least, and evolving her would be a good way to do it.

You can't have too many Gen 1 Pokemon. With the exception of Mewtwo as DLC, there were only 3 in the last game. If anything we need more cute Pokemon like Jigglypuff. Otherwise all we have is Pikachu.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

If anything we need more cute Pokemon like Jigglypuff. Otherwise all we have is Pikachu.

THIS. Jigglypuff is a cute, oddball Pokemon, making it a unique fighter compared to the super-serious, humanoid ones we seem to constantly get as newcomers these days.

 

[CroonerMike]

It's a first glance thing. It reminds you of Little Mac. Not a meme, just a simplistic observation. It was my first thought too. Of course, I'm wrong about it being the same, and frankly, i'm glad I am. Nobody's perfect after all.

What I find interesting is the fact the videos haven't been taken down. CroonerMike, from what I understand, made sure to tweet Fuzzy's video to Nintendo itself. Which means they blatantly know about it. It not being taken down could be an easy case of "we can't let them know" again. But as you(or it was someone else, maybe Vaanrose) said before, NDA's are actually extremely fickle. Combined with the whole "if we remove this, people will assume it's real" factor, and it's hard to actually make a move as is.

I never tweeted them as I didn't want some crafty person on here to find out my twitter account if by chance someone looked up Smash and Nintendo.

 

[Hinata]

THIS. Jigglypuff is a cute, oddball Pokemon, making it a unique fighter compared to the super-serious, humanoid ones we seem to constantly get as newcomers these days.

That's why we need Rowlet as a newcomer in this upcoming game instead of Decidueye.

Why have a humanoid-looking bird archer when you could have B I R D O R B

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I never tweeted them as I didn't want some crafty person on here to find out my twitter account if by chance someone looked up Smash and Nintendo.

Ah, dang. Well, okay. Never mind. You did talk about it, at least, heh.

 

[Ze Diglett]

I never understood people who advocate for Sakurai to cut one of the original 12. These guys have been here since the beginning, and you wanna get rid of em?

I don't get people who think anyone with veteran status as of the last Smash game (i.e. not new to the previous installment) is liable to be cut. The only time a veteran has been cut was with the Ice Climbers, which was undeniably a special case. It is by every precedent that the veterans are safe bar technical issues. This is why I'm especially confused when people try to say R.O.B. or Lucario are gonna be cut, which seems to be a worryingly popular opinion among casuals. I humbly suggest that these people get real.

 

[Luminario]

Honestly, They need to cut her, the time for fairies have come and went. If they need a fairy maybe they'll be a Starter, a better one (Primarina is just upsetting) that will be multi-layered, like Greninja of two of the three gen 7 starters.

What chu got against queen Primarina?
Sylveon really should have been the Gen 6 rep as a shining leader of the Fairy types. Greninja completely stole Fairy's thunder.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Not trying to shut down the discussion here or tell anyone they are a bad person, but nothing disappoints me more than someone who hates a character being playable or wants characters removed from a game.

There's times where being a cynic really helps. And I hate to be that guy who's like "Come on, man. Can't you just learn to have FUN." But, it's just straight up disrespectful to rally against a character in a video game.

People who like a character should always be prioritized over people who don't. Whether it's Pichu or Pink Gold Peach or even Spike in Mario Party 10, there's a line that cynicism shouldn't cross. And complaining about characters in a video game is where I personally would draw it.

There are kids who grow up with these games. Kids who are innocent at heart and develop a love for these characters. Their wishes should not be stomped on because we as adults think we know better than they do, because our developed minds are clouded by how "useful" a character is or how important we think they are or just straight up cynical "That character's just a skin! A clone! A costume!" Like most people aren't bothered by that.

There used to be a time when we were younger, when people were more concerned with having fun in a game rather than competitive strategies. And if I someone wants to main Pichu or Jigglypuff, or if Metal Mario or Spike is their favorite Mario character, who are we to tell them no because we hold our subjective and very harsh opinions about characters above their innocent naivety.?

Maybe you weren't that person when you were a kid and you always thought Pichu or Jigglypuff was a waste. But, like I said, what matters more is the people who are actually having fun.

It doesn't matter what the game is. Taking any character away from anybody, should not be taken lightly.

 

[N3ON]

What chu got against queen Primarina?
Sylveon really should have been the Gen 6 rep as a shining leader of the Fairy types. Greninja completely stole Fairy's thunder.

Greninja is cool and all but I think Sylveon would've been the much more interesting choice.

They were also pushing her hard, but I wonder if Sakurai even considered it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I don't get people who think anyone with veteran status as of the last Smash game is liable to be cut. The only time a veteran has been cut was with the Ice Climbers, which was undeniably a special case. It is by every precedent that the veterans are safe bar technical issues. This is why I'm especially confused when people try to say R.O.B.'s gonna be cut, which seems to be a worryingly popular opinion among casuals. I humbly suggest that these people get real.

Uh... what? We've had quite a few "vet" cuts. Also, did you mean "multi-time" vet? Cause that puts your point into a different perspective. Since Veteran is just a character from a previous game, which is what people think of first.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

That's why we need Rowlet as a newcomer in this upcoming game instead of Decidueye.

Why have a humanoid-looking bird archer when you could have B I R D O R B

Rowlet is a weird case, honestly. It's insanely popular and has grass typing, which is not currently in the game. But giving the Borb a full blown moveset is going to be quite a challenge. It's mentioned in its Pokedex entries that it has really strong kicks as well as extremely sharp feathers/quills. It's only a tiny bit shorter than Pikachu, so its height wouldn't be an issue. It's just so awkward to imagine that little guy with a full blown moveset. I would be overjoyed to see Rowlet actually be playable, though.

 

[Ze Diglett]

Uh... what? We've had quite a few "vet" cuts. Also, did you mean "multi-time" vet? Cause that puts your point into a different perspective. Since Veteran is just a character from a previous game, which is what people think of first.

Yes... that's why I said "veteran status as of the last Smash game," i.e. not new to the previous game. Until a character makes it into two Smash installments, they're a newcomer in my book, which is why I didn't bother to specify.

 

[StormC]

Sakurai decided on the roster by May 2012, almost a year and a half before XY came out. I'm pretty sure his only choices were the starter Pokemon.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yes... that's why I said "veteran status as of the last Smash game," i.e. not new to the previous game.

...I legit missed that.

Anyway, I don't think Jigglypuff will be cut, but I can understand why some don't like the character. Lack of relevancy, does take up a notable Pokemon slot that they'd rather see someone else, etc. But to each their own. I like her in myself. It helps I have played every Smash game. Though I do wish she wasn't bad like in Brawl and 4. In 64 and Melee she was great~

 

[Bowserlick]

Give Primarina a side special which replicates wavedashing and you will suddenly find a mass of competitive players vouching their unwavering past support for her over sniper owl or hellfire cat.

 

[MrReyes96]

You can't have too many Gen 1 Pokemon. With the exception of Mewtwo as DLC, there were only 3 in the last game. If anything we need more cute Pokemon like Jigglypuff. Otherwise all we have is Pikachu.

There’s plenty of cute Pokémon in the 6 other generations of Pokémon.

No gen 2,3,5, Pokémon are in smash.
Smash is supposed to be a game celebrating Nintendo’s history, and having better representation for all generations of Pokémon would be ideal

 

[Superyoshiom]

if I had a choice between Miis or three characters, I'll take the latter no doubt about it.

But I am biased...I never cared for the Miis anywhere.

It's less biased than you think, I think most people would prefer completely original movesets go to three different unique characters than an avatar.

 

[Hinata]

Give Primarina a side special which replicates wavedashing and you will suddenly find a mass of competitive players vouching their unwavering past support for her over sniper owl or hellfire cat.

It's sad because it's true.

 

[Superyoshiom]

You can't have too many Gen 1 Pokemon. With the exception of Mewtwo as DLC, there were only 3 in the last game. If anything we need more cute Pokemon like Jigglypuff. Otherwise all we have is Pikachu.

Maximize cuteness, minimize development time, and cut Jigglypuff and bring back Pichu.

 

[StormC]

Because of the fact that the Mii Fighters all have the same build and share some animations, I don't think removing them would necessarily get you three brand new characters to add. I agree though that it should have just been one character that you can use in online matches.

 

[ligersandtigons]

I suppose, but that doesn't really work for those of use that like playing as Mii Gunner.

Samus is a completely different character with different special moves, floatier jumps, and a moveset that I'm personally not really a fan of. Furthermore, I'm sure fans of Samus already like the moveset she has, and might not take well to it being changed.

As for Inklings, they shoot ink, not energy. It wouldn't really make sense.

Trying to send off the Mii's Moves onto other characters is similar logic to give Ness Lucas' custom moves in return for them not being playable. It's a nice idea in theory, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't work out the way people think it would.

And while it's true than each Mii takes some of its moves from other characters, most of them are original. And even the ones that are similar/taken tend to be modified and different in effect.

I just said Samus and Inkling as an example, it doesn't have to be them necessarily

but yeah, I get where you're coming from, I'm just saying for my personal roster, I'm iffy about them

 

[IronTed]

There’s plenty of cute Pokémon in the 6 other generations of Pokémon.

No gen 2,3,5, Pokémon are in smash.
Smash is supposed to be a game celebrating Nintendo’s history, and having better representation for all generations of Pokémon would be ideal

Pichu says hi

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Give Primarina a side special which replicates wavedashing and you will suddenly find a mass of competitive players vouching their unwavering past support for her over sniper owl or hellfire cat.

Primarina was my favorite final starter evo from gen 7 but I find her very unrealistic for Smash so I tend to keep my mouth shut.

BUT LET IT BE KNOWN, IF THIS SPECIFIC THING HAPPENS I WILL CLAIM PAST SUPPORT FOR HER

 

[Bowserlick]

Smash doesn't rest on Jigglypuff, Jigglypuff rests on Smash

 

[Hinata]

Maximize cuteness, minimize development time, and cut Jigglypuff and bring back Pichu.

I have a friend who advocates the return of Pichu like it's his religion or something. He won't rest until that self-destructive mouse sees the light of day again.

 

[New_Dumal]

Which installment will people give up about bringing rules/formulas into the "cut" and "newcomer" spectrum Smash ?
It's all about what Sakurai woke up wishing to do.

 

[Pakky]

No. Keeping Jigglypuff is completely necessary. And as one of the many people who consider Jigglypuff one of their favorite Pokemon, I won't stand by and watch her get cut out of spite. No, sir.

It really irks me that people hate characters and want to cut them and ruin it for everyone else because they personally don't like them.

I just really don't get it. I'm a cynical guy. But, I've never ever been upset about the inclusion of ANY character in Super Smash Bros ever. That's just not something you do

I'm not upset with her in the game I'm just not into stagnation. She is stagnated, even with becoming a fairy, the whole line in the games is just... bad. I mean I wish I could be more elegant but filling the roster with 10 pokemon and so on is just not how things should be and if she's going to stay a Kirby clone with not much change then why keep her? memes are funny but they shouldn't define a game and sometimes a few people have to get their feelings hurt for the betterment of the product.

Like anyone who says Ganon is fine as a fat captain Falcon, is just stubborn and ignores that he is not himself, he is not a celebration of who Ganon really is. And in Smash that's just not the point.

Why celebrate Jiggs if she's just, well a joke? Does she mean anything to the series? Not really...

In 20 years her line got a new typing but that's it

- No mega evolution

- Not many anime spots after season 1&2 until recently I think

- No aloan forms

- No Z moves

It's sad but what is there?

 

[PLATINUM7]

There’s plenty of cute Pokémon in the 6 other generations of Pokémon.

No gen 2,3,5, Pokémon are in smash.
Smash is supposed to be a game celebrating Nintendo’s history, and having better representation for all generations of Pokémon would be ideal

Pichu is a gen 2 Pokemon.

Granted, there aren't any gen 2 Pokemon still playable in Smash but we did get one.

 

[Danpal65]

Someone post Artsy Omni's breakdown of the "leak" yet?

It was a decent watch.

Going back to the leaked screenshots cause I know this hasn't been talked to death about, but from watching Omni's video, which was pretty interesting, I noticed that Mario's shadow on the Yoshi's island stage is in a different position when the angle is changed. Just look at where it falls on the line on the ground and it shifts to the other side of it when the angle changes.

 

[MrReyes96]

Pichu says hi

A clone who was cut over a decade ago, you know that doesn’t count. Suicine, Scizor, Togepi or Tyranitar would be good gen 2 representation

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It's less biased than you think, I think most people would prefer completely original movesets go to three different unique characters than an avatar.

It's way too hard to say "most people", but yes, it's clearly an opinion more than one person on here has shown.

I actually prefer them to stay how they are, though I do agree that they need to be a bit more streamlined for regular online play(outside of "With Friends"). Balance is an issue too, mostly due to the weight.

Also, the thing is? They really are more of a collaboration of fun moves and don't represent a theme beyond their weapon style. You can't slap the moveset onto any more specific character as is. It's not meant to be that way. It's clear they used assets/moves from some other characters here and there(Gunner has some of Samus' moves, clearly), but a lot of work was put into them to make them feel like 3 unique options to make any kind of character you want. That's the point of the class system, after all.

I have a friend who advocates the return of Pichu like it's his religion or something. He won't rest until that self-destructive mouse sees the light of day again.

I'd love Pichu back myself. Helps that Rage would help it a lot. Though giving it some tweaking by makes some moves more powerful as he takes more damage or some kind of update to his mechanic would be nice.

 

[PLATINUM7]

A clone who was cut over a decade ago, you know that doesn’t count. Suicine, Scizor, Togepi or Tyranitar would be good gen 2 representation

A cute and at the time relevant Pokemon, closely tied to the mascot of the franchise and representative of breeding and baby Pokemon introduced.

I say it counts.

 

[IronTed]

A clone who was cut over a decade ago, you know that doesn’t count. Suicine, Scizor, Togepi or Tyranitar would be good gen 2 representation

True, Pichu was cut, but it still was in Smash, even if only once.

I'm curious, what makes those Pokemon count? Because none of them are particularly relevant.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

I'd take Pichu with a Spiky Eared costume over any gen 2 reps any day of the week.

 

[StormC]

I don't feel the need for each generation of Pokemon to get a "rep." One newcomer per Smash is fine by me.