Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[CroonerMike]

I am personally hoping for the option of custom moves to be removed.

 

[Polan]

The only Mii change I want is for the Brawler get a kamehameha move. The Shot Put sucks and honestly it would be hilarious to kamehameha people as Reggie.

If Miis do come back, I'd rather they just be what we know Miis for. And that is being the weirdest little buggers this side of gaming.

The Miis entire shtick is that they adapt to the game that they are playable on. I wouldn't mind some sillier animations and moves but having them as actual fighters makes perfect sense.

 

[Chandeelure]

I'm having the opposite problem. The more I look at it the I believe it.

The video could be real.
But I personally thing that if one is fake, the other is fake too, and I definitely think the pics are fake.
The things that make me doubtful about the leak in general are:

Video:
- I don't know if Spring Man is too tiny or if Decidueye is too big, but sometimes looks weird there.
- Spring Man's idle animation is way too fast, idk.
- I'm sure that is Little Mac's back air lol, and the animation is also way too fast.
- Decidueye's eyes look weird, like he is angry all the time.

Pics:
- Same size problems between the characters.
- Cappy being there.
- Mario looks way too colourful and shiny compared to the ICs.
- They kinda look like mods.

 

[Blargg888]

So I guess there are rambling of a potential FE direct soon? Could be interesting. I imagine Pokemon is right around the corner too. Wonder what that would mean about a Smash direct.

If Pokemon and Fire Emblem are pre-E3 that could mean Smash is going to carry E3 instead of having its own direct.

Really? Where did you hear that? I'm interested. I've been waiting for a new FE Direct.

 

[Radical Bones]

My Mii Brawler is one of my most used characters.

Shot Put, Burning Dropkick, Piston Punch and Head-On Assault.

I also loved my Swordfighter, who I used for like a month when the game first came out.

 

[Spazzy_D]

With the level Smash Wii U modding is at I won't give a leak the time of day unless it looks significantly different.

We should probably wait until we see some gameplay of the current Smash iteration before we start breaking down leaks with any confidence.

 

[StormC]

I really think Decidueye would sorta face the camera like Dedede. Otherwise his face gets obscured by the hood.

 

[Deleted member]

How can you say that when Palutena exists?

You must dislike Smash 4 Palutena and want a change, in which I agree.

Palutena was poorly executed. For a "goddess", her speed and recovery are lacking and her frame-data is sluggish. A really solid move is her up air and down throw and stuff, but she could get a buff. I mean ugh, her tilts are all making her staff move.

I personally think the Miis should be cut. Not my favorite things.

I love the Miis.

 

[Ze Diglett]

I see we're talking about Miis. As a childhood Geno fanboy, I have quite the strong opinion on those little buggers. I'll never forgive them for what they did to my beloved...
In all seriousness, Miis in Smash were certainly worth exploring, but I ultimately just don't like the idea behind them of "hey guys, you can play as ANYONE in Smash now!" Sure, I can pretend to play as anyone in Smash now, but if I'm a long-time supporter of a character I love and I play as a lookalike of said character, but without anything that actually makes them unique, I'm gonna be disappointed and just wish we got the real deal, if anything. I want to play as Geno, or K. Rool, or Ashley, or Knuckles, not squint my eyes and pretend I'm playing as those guys. Trying to recreate actual characters with the Miis just doesn't work with how necessarily generic their movesets are, and while some might like the idea of playing as Reggie or Trump for the luls, I never really saw the appeal of playing as real-life people in Smash anyway. (Was anyone really pining for Ice-T in Smash?) I'm not totally confident the Miis will be cut, but considering how Ninty seems to be contracting Mii support majorly with the Switch, I wouldn't be terribly surprised (or, on a personal note, disappointed) to see the Miis go. I at least don't wanna see actual characters added as mere Mii outfits; nobody should have to go through seeing their favorite character reduced to a costume.
Unless they're the Koopalings. **** 'em.

 

[Danpal65]

- I'm sure that is Little Mac's back air lol, and the animation is also way too fast..

I think the thing with Spring Man, and this coming form someone who does not think this is real, is that he may very well be a late addition to the game and as a result may pull resources form other characters to save development time, like Ness and Falcon in 64, or how clones work.

That being said, I don't think it "saves" the credibility of the leak, and as you said, the images that go along with the video look pretty dodge.

 

[NintendoKnight]

This is why I like Mii's pretending to be characters you love in Smash:

 

[StormC]

Palutena was one of my Smash 4 requests but I have to admit I was sorta disappointed with her moveset. Not just her awkward movement and basic attacks but her Specials being mixed up with about half of them being bunk. Hope she gets a revamp.

 

[Knight Dude]

Captain Toad cant jump again? Damn i didnt think we would go bavk to the thing discussed most after complaining about things to talk about.


So. . .opinions on Sylux? They're a rising character and probably is going to be having some big roles soon after being hinted at for years.


IMO, probably not happening other than mayyyybe late DLC. We still dont have footage of Prime 4 so jt probably isnt far enough in development that Sakurai would have any data on them. And we probably dont have enough from what little they have done so far.

How about you?

I don't think he's too likely from a "relevance" standpoint. But he's got a fairly dedicated fanbase. And I don't mean just in Smash, I mean Metroid in general, he's fairly well liked because of his appearance in Hunters. The small cameos in Prime 3 and Federation Force sort of adds up to that too. He's kind of a dark horse character because of that.

Personally, I think he's pretty cool too. And even if we haven't seen much of him, knowing that the devs WANT to use him I think says something, not much, but something.

Gameplay-wise he's got unique abilities of his own that I think can translate into Smash really well. Laying Landmines with his Lockjaw form is easy to imagine and would make for good space control. And his signature weapon, the Shock Coil, would be a projectile that starts healing him overtime, a little similar to Robin's Down-B, but again, it'd be a projectile. He could use his Ship, for his Final Smash, since he uses it in one of his boss fights. The rest of his moves could be taken from the other weapons in Prime Hunters, since Samus doesn't use them or need to, and Sylux, like all the characters in that game, can use them in multiplayer mode.

He's no Ridley, in that most people here wouldn't be that hype for him, but he is reasonably popular for a guy with one game and two cameos under his belt. Personally, I'd think he'd make a great addition. Even if Ridley would be my first choice like many others, though we know Sakurai's current stance on Ridley.

Late as hell reply, but hey, kind of hard to keep up with this thread.

 

[Danpal65]

Palutena was one of my Smash 4 requests but I have to admit I was sorta disappointed with her moveset. Not just her awkward movement and basic attacks but her Specials being mixed up with about half of them being bunk. Hope she gets a revamp.

I think what she really needs is to have an actually definitive moveset (and yes, one that is better). She was kinda used as the poster girl for custom moves outside of Miis and it did her no favours.

 

[StormC]

Honestly, most of the Smash 4 newcomers are so specialized that I have a hard time getting into their playstyle besides playing them for 20-30 minutes and then moving on. Didn't help that was my Brawl main and he got the boot. It wasn't until a character came that I could actually main (though before him I was using ). Helps that he was the hypest addition to the game for me (even narrowly beating out Mega Man).

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

Palutena was one of my Smash 4 requests but I have to admit I was sorta disappointed with her moveset. Not just her awkward movement and basic attacks but her Specials being mixed up with about half of them being bunk. Hope she gets a revamp.

Some of the alternate specials they gave her were cool, how they decided on counter and reflect in her main moveset I will never understand

 

[CroonerMike]

The video could be real.
But I personally thing that if one is fake, the other is fake too, and I definitely think the pics are fake.
The things that make me doubtful about the leak in general are:

Video:
- I don't know if Spring Man is too tiny or if Decidueye is too big, but sometimes looks weird there.
- Spring Man's idle animation is way too fast, idk.
- I'm sure that is Little Mac's back air lol, and the animation is also way too fast.
- Decidueye's eyes look weird, like he is angry all the time.

Pics:
- Same size problems between the characters.
- Cappy being there.
- Mario looks way too colourful and shiny compared to the ICs.
- They kinda look like mods.

Sakauri speeding up the gameplay like melee

 

[Opossum]

Some of the alternate specials they gave her were cool, how they decided on counter and reflect in her main moveset I will never understand

Honestly I liked Reflect. Counter and Warp is what made me upset. Jump Glide is too cool to be a custom and not the default.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Some of the alternate specials they gave her were cool, how they decided on counter and reflect in her main moveset I will never understand

I think the concept behind her reflect is actually really cool and I would want it back in her default moveset as long as it was tweaked a bit.

I think she was meant to be a very turtley character, what with two defensive special, a projectile, and some far reaching Smashes. It really didn't work though, and her counter was a waste of a special slot.

Edit: beat by Opossum by a minute

 

[Blargg888]

They decided to make all of Palutena's more interesting special move customs, with her defaults being rather boring.

If Super Speed/Reflect/Angelic MIssile, Lightweight, Jump Glide, and Explosive Flame had been Palutena's defaults, I think she'd be a lot more interesting.

 

[UserKev]

Palutena was too slow for me. She's fun in team Vs. though. Leave it up to the CPU to master painfully slow characters.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

And Etika made a video covering the leak now.

This is rich.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I am personally hoping for the option of custom moves to be removed.

If the unlocking conditions weren't so time consuming, then the custom special moves probably would've had more potential in the competitive scene.

 

[Icedragonadam]

You know if that leak really is real, I'll be disappointed that two potential surprises have been spoiled. So part of me hopes it's fake because of that.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

And Etika made a video covering the leak now.

This is rich.

It's Etika, he will make videos on anything.

Though that does mean more exposure for it.

 

[NintendoKnight]

If the unlocking conditions weren't so time consuming, then the custom special moves probably would've had more potential in the competitive scene.

That's the kicker. That right there is the bane of all customs, the unlocking. Unlocking characters? Fine. Unlocking stages? That's OK, too.

Having to painfully unlock every single alternative Special Move for each direction spread out over 48 different characters?

NO FREAKING THANK YOU!

Let them all be available the moment you get that character. All the starter characters should have theirs unlocked by default like Palutena and the Miis.

 

[N3ON]

And Etika made a video covering the leak now.

This is rich.

Surprised it took this long.

 

[Senselessbreak]

Surprised it took this long.

Now that he opened the floodgates, I imagine GameXplain is to follow (without footage since iirc they don't show leaks in the event they are real)

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Surprised it took this long.

Because he compiled a whole bunch of other subject matter in the same video. The Mythra figure, the Donkey Kong cheating, salt about not being in the Smash Invitational and a streamer accidentally showing porn.

There's a reason why I didn't post the video here. Even if he used the Smash Leak as clickbait.

 

[BluePikmin11]

And Etika made a video covering the leak now.

This is rich.

Is it unlisted because I do not see it. ;_;

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Is it unlisted because I do not see it. ;_;

He posted the video on his channel 31 minutes ago.

It is there.

 

[MrReyes96]

I really want Palutena to be revamped, she deserves better.
Along with an updated model and her kid Icarus uprising voice actor.

 

[Icedragonadam]

At least Palutena got some buffs during the Smash 4 period.

Poor Jigglypuff hasn't been buffed since the 3DS version released. Seriously, BUFF THE PUFF! Give her some Fairy Type moves if vets are being reworked this game.

 

[colder_than_ice]

That's the kicker. That right there is the bane of all customs, the unlocking. Unlocking characters? Fine. Unlocking stages? That's OK, too.

Having to painfully unlock every single alternative Special Move for each direction spread out over 48 different characters?

NO FREAKING THANK YOU!

Let them all be available the moment you get that character. All the starter characters should have theirs unlocked by default like Palutena and the Miis.

This is why I’ve always felt that Smash needed an in game shop. A place where you can use the gold you win in game modes to purchase Mii costumes, custom moves, and CDs of your choice. I feel that this would have been so much easier than spending hours trying to farm them at random.

Really the only things gold has been good for in SSB4 is increasing the difficulty in Classic (which should be free anyway), playing that horrible trophy rush minigame, and for the underwhelming trophy shop.

 

[MrReyes96]

Honestly I wouldn’t mind if Jigglypuff got a complete overhaul. She’s a fairy type now she should represent it.

Or just evolve her into Wigglytuff

 

[NintendoKnight]

This is why I’ve always felt that Smash needed an in game shop. A place where you can use the gold you win in game modes to purchase Mii costumes, custom moves, and CDs of your choice. I feel that this would have been so much easier than spending hours trying to farm them at random.

Really the only things gold has been good for in SSB4 is increasing the difficulty in Classic (which should be free anyway), playing that horrible trophy rush minigame, and for the underwhelming trophy shop.

That's... actually really genius.

Honestly, seeing how the rupees in Breath of the Wild and coins in Super Mario Odyssey were actually really useful in ways never seen before, I really like your idea.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

S Senselessbreak i'm assuming this is you based on the username, but good breakdown of the leak on GameFAQs. Everything you pointed out here was really well done and examined. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros/76517894

I really don't know what to think about this one, but even Omni or anybody else looking at it won't do much. I get the feelings it's for clicks rather than actually proving it wrong because frankly, you can't. Well, unless you can literally replicate it with mods. Like, exactly replicate it. I hear a lot of "it's a mod of Little Mac" for Spring Man, but that's either a meme or bad memory of the idle stance. I mean, I suppose somebody could mod all of that stuff, but painstakingly like this for a leak? The video seems more convincing than the pictures, but I think it's all up in the air at this point.

Watched Omni’s video. Some good points (especially at a technical level) both other points seem more like an opinion rather than fact, which doesn’t do much to discredit it.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Someone post Artsy Omni's breakdown of the "leak" yet?

It was a decent watch.

 

[Pakky]

Honestly I wouldn’t mind if Jigglypuff got a complete overhaul. She’s a fairy type now she should represent it.

Or just evolve her into Wigglytuff

Honestly, They need to cut her, the time for fairies have come and went. If they need a fairy maybe they'll be a Starter, a better one (Primarina is just upsetting) that will be multi-layered, like Greninja of two of the three gen 7 starters.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Honestly, They need to cut her

No. Keeping Jigglypuff is completely necessary. And as one of the many people who consider Jigglypuff one of their favorite Pokemon, I won't stand by and watch her get cut out of spite. No, sir.

It really irks me that people hate characters and want to cut them and ruin it for everyone else because they personally don't like them.

I just really don't get it. I'm a cynical guy. But, I've never ever been upset about the inclusion of ANY character in Super Smash Bros ever. That's just not something you do