Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Tree Gelbman]

oh gosh Sony makes me sad.

Like all three are companies but it feels like Nintendo and Microsoft want their consumers to actually like them.

Meanwhile Sony just keeps feeling more and more corporate.

Try playing most of your video games with a core group of die hard Sony fanboys and explaining this very problem to them.

Go on.

I promise you it's fun.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I mean, you're entitled to your opinion. But it's just that...an opinion.

Just like we're all entitled to our opinions, others are more than welcome to disagree and voice it, as longer we don't all turn into idiots about it.

With Mario and Zelda "sucking" ,while I would consider that a piping hot take and 100% subjective, I'm just going to assume the person in question just doesn't like the games. I think they're great.

If I enjoy the game, I guess that well...I don't really care if somebody else doesn't like it. Let them miss out, I say.

 

[Idon]

Well this conversation quickly spiraled off topic.

Thanks Lady Gaga.

 

[Bionichute]

>Nintendo are being the worst

**LAUGH LOUDLY IN EA/ACTIVISION/UBISOFT/SQUARE-ENIX/KONAMI/SONY**

Y'all are smoking.

nintendo is planning on suing a couple into oblivion because they had a site that had old nes/snes roms on it. say what you will about pirating, but these people will literally never recover from this, and they were obviously nintendo fans

nintendo doing something like this would be understandable if they weren't being complete ***** to people who made no money off of their games, and also actually bothered making a system that archives their games themselves, which they currently are not doing and have never done a good job of

activision and company are worse in some regards, but they're all corporations, and corporations are evil and want as much money as they can possibly get

 

[N3ON]

oh gosh Sony makes me sad.

Like all three are companies but it feels like Nintendo and Microsoft want their consumers to actually like them.

Meanwhile Sony just keeps feeling more and more corporate.

Whichever company is the most successful in the moment feels the most corporate, the other two bank on being populist to help make up ground.

This is what I've seen at least.

 

[Deleted member]

Look, in the midst of all this Nintendo talk, let's be honest with ourselves.

Would you rather want a Nintendo that's so stuck in the past, they still make fantastic games and not good online, or a Nintendo that is so modern that they make not so good games but have fantastic online.

Quite the conundrum, isn't it?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

like i actually agree with nintendo just being The Worst but they have talented people that do deserve the money that they get, they're just working for complete imbeciles that couldn't make a good decision to save their lives

but saying that you don't want two series that bring lots of people joy to not be popular is incredibly assholish to say

The way I see it. If Mario and Zelda weren’t as popular maybe some of the other games I like would have a bigger market and the idea of a PlayStation All-Stars game (something that happens to collect most of my gaming icons) wouldn’t just make people laugh. Maybe more of my favorite games would still be around and not stuck on eternal hiatus. I know you can’t live by what ifs. But I can’t really help it here.

 

[DraginHikari]

Nintendo’s reputation in the industry makes it near impossible for other companies to compete with them. Nintendo has the ability to make incredibly dumb decisions and not have it cripple them for life. Nintendo has the ability to run a $5,000 deficit for a decade and not be affected. They acted like complete ******** during the American court cases that led to the creation of the ESRB and never faced repercussions for it. Mario and Zelda freaking suck. I could go on and on.

Nintendo and Disney. I hate them both equally. Man I could write an essay about Disney.

You picking out some rather odd issues. The ESRB one is definitely a strange one. Are you referring to the fact that Nintendo was basically used the hearing to take potshots at Sega?

oh gosh Sony makes me sad.

Like all three are companies but it feels like Nintendo and Microsoft want their consumers to actually like them.

Meanwhile Sony just keeps feeling more and more corporate.

Sony has always been extremely corporate given their one of the largest electronic enterprises out there, it's just there video game divsion has been more absorbed into that culture as time has gone along.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Try playing most of your video games with a core group of die hard Sony fanboys and explaining this very problem to them.

Go on.

I promise you it's fun.

Wouldn't you have this problem with any die hard fanboy group? Just mention things that could be better and listen to their almost parodic responses.

 

[Deleted member]

Look, in the midst of all this Nintendo talk, let's be honest with ourselves.

Would you rather want a Nintendo that's so stuck in the past, they still make fantastic games and not good online, or a Nintendo that is so modern that they make not so good games but have fantastic online.

Quite the conundrum, isn't it?

Honestly, I'd have a Nintendo that goes 3rd party.

 

[Luigi The President]

Nintendo’s reputation in the industry makes it near impossible for other companies to compete with them. Nintendo has the ability to make incredibly dumb decisions and not have it cripple them for life. Nintendo has the ability to run a $5,000 deficit for a decade and not be affected. They acted like complete ******** during the American court cases that led to the creation of the ESRB and never faced repercussions for it. Mario and Zelda freaking suck. I could go on and on.

Nintendo and Disney. I hate them both equally. Man I could write an essay about Disney.

...you on the board for the game all about Nintendo's history...
Totally get your complaints...just find it funny is all.

 

[doomedtacox]

nintendo is planning on suing a couple into oblivion because they had a site that had old nes/snes roms on it. say what you will about pirating, but these people will literally never recover from this, and they were obviously nintendo fans

nintendo doing something like this would be understandable if they weren't being complete ***** to people who made no money off of their games, and also actually bothered making a system that archives their games themselves, which they currently are not doing and have never done a good job of

activision and company are worse in some regards, but they're all corporations, and corporations are evil and want as much money as they can possibly get

So it's Nintendo's fault that the couple was doing something illegal? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

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So apparently they released a new AR card for Uprising 6 years after the game's release. Uprising port/sequel announcement at the VGAs? Sakurai is now mostly done with Ultimate and can maybe work on Kid Icarus again?

Kingdom Hearts 1.5's 358/2 Days film added scenes four or so years after release.

Wouldn't mind another Kid Icarus game in the modern style of Uprising if they do it right and continue to make it funny. I hope they mention Of Myths and Monsters instead of ignoring it.

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[Tree Gelbman]

Well this conversation quickly spiraled off topic.

Thanks Lady Gaga.

She did it all for the Applause....

I'll see myself out.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Try playing most of your video games with a core group of die hard Sony fanboys and explaining this very problem to them.

Go on.

I promise you it's fun.

I'll just say it. A Sony that is in first place, rarely puts in the effort it should. They get lazy, cocky and downright arrogant when they are winning.

Like, when Nintendo had their dork age, I still felt they were trying, even if it was misguided.

I feel like Microsoft actually learned from the X Box One's launch and won't do it again.

Sony just seems eerily similar to PS2 era Sony which led to the dreadful PS3 launch.

I'm worried.

 

[Idon]

She did it all for the Applause....

I'll see myself out.

What a shallow joke.

 

[doomedtacox]

Look, in the midst of all this Nintendo talk, let's be honest with ourselves.

Would you rather want a Nintendo that's so stuck in the past, they still make fantastic games and not good online, or a Nintendo that is so modern that they make not so good games but have fantastic online.

Quite the conundrum, isn't it?

Nah the latter is way better imo. The online works good enough if you have legit internet and if you want some competitive multiplayer games to play, then just buy a PC.

 

[Iridium]

Just noticed the updated How to Play theme from Melee got uploaded to the site. Sounds nice.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

You picking out some rather odd issues. The ESRB one is definitely a strange one. Are you referring to the fact that Nintendo was basically used the hearing to take potshots at Sega?

Yes. Even if it sounds kind of shallow. As someone who likes more of SEGA, their games, and their ips than Nintendo’s, seeing how they acted really angers me. I’d gladly pick Sonic and All-Stars racing over Mario Kart any day of the week.

 

[DraginHikari]

The way I see it. If Mario and Zelda weren’t as popular maybe some of the other games I like would have a bigger market and the idea of a PlayStation All-Stars game (something that happens to collect most of my gaming icons) wouldn’t just make people laugh. Maybe more of my favorite games would still be around and not stuck on eternal hiatus. I know you can’t live by what ifs. But I can’t really help it here.

From what I understand Playstation All-Stars suffered because of Sony lackluster support of the game. Part of the reason Smash Bros tends to be able to do what is does is Nintendo willingness to put massive support which makes negotating with 3rd parties and the like easier then it would be otherwise.

 

[RandomAce]

You could've put Poochy in that list and I would've been happy. Some AT representation for my boi would be appreciated...

But there is representation... it’s just under the Mario section.

RIP Kamek Spirit being Mario and not Yoshi.

 

[Bionichute]

So it's Nintendo's fault that the couple was doing something illegal? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

sorry but i don't think ruining someone's lives over something that harmed neither any person or nintendo themselves is a fair trade off

 

[Roberk]

Look, in the midst of all this Nintendo talk, let's be honest with ourselves.

Would you rather want a Nintendo that's so stuck in the past, they still make fantastic games and not good online, or a Nintendo that is so modern that they make not so good games but have fantastic online.

Quite the conundrum, isn't it?

Imagine caring about playing with strangers whilst sacrificing game quality.

"This post was made by the singleplayer/couch party gang."

 

[Deleted member]

Nah the latter is way better imo. The online works good enough if you have legit internet and if you want some competitive multiplayer games to play, then just buy a PC.

...So you want... **** games, then?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

From what I understand Playstation All-Stars suffered because of Sony lackluster support of the game. Part of the reason Smash Bros tends to be able to do what is does is Nintendo willingness to put massive support which makes negotating with 3rd parties and the like easier then it would be otherwise.

Hey. The only reason it didn’t get more dlc was cause it didn’t sell well. And I mean, it’s hard to celebrate your own history when you owe so much of it to third party companies (especially with how much they owe to Square). But they did keep the online servers up until this very month.

 

[SmashChu]

The way I see it. If Mario and Zelda weren’t as popular maybe some of the other games I like would have a bigger market and the idea of a PlayStation All-Stars game (something that happens to collect most of my gaming icons) wouldn’t just make people laugh. Maybe more of my favorite games would still be around and not stuck on eternal hiatus. I know you can’t live by what ifs. But I can’t really help it here.

That makes no sense. It's like saying "If Fortnite didn't exist, maybe my anime game would be more popular." Mario and Zelda didn't personally kill your favorite game or take people away from them. Usually game series die off because they just aren't that good or couldn't reach a mass audience for whatever reason. Mario and Zelda being big has nothing to do with it.

The reason PlayStation All-Stars gets laughed at, by the way, is because it was a colossal mess. That said, Nintendo does have more iconic characters than Sony which is how they are able to fill a roster for Smash.

 

[Luigi The President]

Hey. The only reason it didn’t get more dlc was cause it didn’t sell well. And I mean, it’s hard to celebrate your own history when you owe so much of it to third party companies (especially with how much they owe to Square). But they did keep the online servers up until this very month.

I actually really liked the concept of PSABR.
Wish it went farther.

 

[Idon]

Look, in the midst of all this Nintendo talk, let's be honest with ourselves.

Would you rather want a Nintendo that's so stuck in the past, they still make fantastic games and not good online, or a Nintendo that is so modern that they make not so good games but have fantastic online.

Quite the conundrum, isn't it?

It sure is when you present only these two options.

 

[N3ON]

The way I see it. If Mario and Zelda weren’t as popular maybe some of the other games I like would have a bigger market and the idea of a PlayStation All-Stars game (something that happens to collect most of my gaming icons) wouldn’t just make people laugh. Maybe more of my favorite games would still be around and not stuck on eternal hiatus. I know you can’t live by what ifs. But I can’t really help it here.

There's little correlation to be had between the success of Mario and Zelda and the dormancy of seeming unrelated IPs, especially if they align closer to Sony. Sony isn't going to stop making games because of Mario and Zelda. Most of the games they make are pretty different from Nintendo's, and if anything, a competitor finding success in that area should incentivize a dev to follow down a similar path. I mean hell, that's what Zelda did.

 

[ChronoKatie]

Considering Nintendo just put out what I think is the best Mario game in the series and second best Zelda in its series, I'm gonna have to disagree with most of what's been said.

 

[Deleted member]

I actually really liked the concept of PSABR.
Wish it went farther.

I wish that game was actually good.

 

[doomedtacox]

sorry but i don't think ruining someone's lives over something that harmed neither any person or nintendo themselves is a fair trade off

Do you understand how business law works? It definitely is fair because of the financial implication of the whole thing.

Don't do illegal stuff and you won't find yourself being sued, especially for millions of dollars. It's quite simple actually.

 

[Bionichute]

I actually really liked the concept of PSABR.
Wish it went farther.

apparently the game was insanely low budget for what it was (which is pretty impressive considering how high quality the game mostly feels) and they would have gotten more characters for it but sony would just absolutely not give them any more budget

 

[PLATINUM7]

I'll just say it. A Sony that is in first place, rarely puts in the effort it should. They get lazy, cocky and downright arrogant when they are winning.

Like, when Nintendo had their dork age, I still felt they were trying, even if it was misguided.

I feel like Microsoft actually learned from the X Box One's launch and won't do it again.

Sony just seems eerily similar to PS2 era Sony which led to the dreadful PS3 launch.

I'm worried.

I feel like right now, Sony is becoming dork era Nintendo, only they're also deciding to not show any games.

I hope that things might change come a PS5 reveal but right now, No PSX, No E3, No announcements only ads to the frustration.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

There's little correlation to be had between the success of Mario and Zelda and the dormancy of seeming unrelated IPs, especially if they align closer to Sony. Sony isn't going to stop making games because of Mario and Zelda. Most of the games they make are pretty different from Nintendo's, and if anything, a competitor finding success in that area should incentivize a dev to follow down a similar path. I mean hell, that's what Zelda did.

How many parents didn’t buy Jack and Daxter or Ratchet and Clank because they wanted to raise their kids on Nintendo. Just an example. Many of the game series I wish were still around were in Direct Competitin with the plumber.

 

[doomedtacox]

...So you want... **** games, then?

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Whoops lmao I meant the former. I always get that mixed up aha.

 

[Bionichute]

Do you understand how business law works? It definitely is fair because of the financial implication of the whole thing.

Don't do illegal stuff and you won't find yourself being sued, especially for millions of dollars. It's quite simple actually.

there are other ways to do that then to basically kill people

 

[doomedtacox]

there are other ways to do that then to basically kill people

Other ways to do what?

 

[Luigi The President]

Y'all getting into piracy debates and all that when the game is literally 2 days away

 

[Bionichute]

Other ways to do what?

other ways to show that something is illegal

you don't have to go for a million dollar lawsuit for something like this