Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

for the dlc characters we're gonna get silhouettes again just like the first trailer screencap this

oh it's that one guy

Can't wait to discuss over that again.
"It's Sora, look at the spiky hair!"
"No, it's clearly Crono"
"No, it's Erdrick!"
"**** you guys, it's Goku"
"Guys I think it might be Geno!?"
"No, it's clearly Sephiroth, look at that long shadow, it's obviously his sword."
"Nah, that's just my ****"

 

[CrusherMania1592]

So instead of wishing characters from a franchise to be cut that are already in the game why don't we discuss adding characters to any particular franchise that's considered severely underrepresented?

F-Zero for example. Would they ever add anyone else from that series? If ever?

F-Zero
Yoshi
Sonic
Kirby
Splatoon
Donkey Kong
Zelda
Wario
Xenoblade


Yeah I think we got quite a number of them that needs another rep pretty badly

 

[kirbsmash]

Moveset-wise? Character-wise?

Character-wise.

 

[Impa4Smash]

black shadow as a falcon echo. just do it already

When the sun sets in the east and Nintendo releases another F-Zero game. So the prophecy foretold

 

[SnakeFighter64]

You asked for this
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New ship guyz

Back during The leadup to Shadow of Valentina I was certain that Celica would be in the next Smash. I had no idea how long it would be till another Fire Emblem game came out so I thought a new rep from the most recent game would be a lock. I don’t even think the switch was announced yet. I just was on a Smash binge. Then the game just sort of fizzled away and wasn’t really remembered. Then Three Houses came out.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

black shadow as a falcon echo. just do it already

Either a Falcon or Ganondorf echo at this point is acceptable. Idk if they will find a way to mix up Falcon and Ganondorf's moves together with Black Shadow with Falcon's moveset combined with Ganondorf's dark elements and slower movements

 

[monadoboy]

for the dlc characters we're gonna get silhouettes again just like the first trailer screencap this

oh it's that one guy

That would be pretty cool actually.
Reveal one like the Inklings and have them stare at the shadows of the others, something like that

 

[Luigi The President]

Character-wise.

I played Fates. That is literally the only way to judge if they're a bad character so this answer must be biased.
Corrin's entire arc is them being naive and insisting pacifism. Except they're fine killing other mooks. Also, I say arc, but it's really nothing-this belief is proven right by the narrative itself, constantly, constantly, constantly. According to the game, Corrin can do no wrong. It doesn't LET you do any wrong.

 

[Darkbeard]

Corrin isn’t even the best choice for a Fates Rep, let alone a FE rep. The real choice

Blond Gaston?

 

[Deleted member]

Could anybody tell me, without bias, why Corrin is a bad character? Anybody.

I heard that apparently you could make them touch children in Fates, which is kinda messed up. And apparently male Corrin like gives some drink to a gay character to make her less fixated on women or something? idk I'm just saying what I heard on message boards I have no idea if it's true or not

 

[Dannish]

I played Fates. That is literally the only way to judge if they're a bad character so this answer must be biased.
Corrin's entire arc is them being naive and insisting pacifism. Except they're fine killing other mooks. Also, I say arc, but it's really nothing-this belief is proven right by the narrative itself, constantly, constantly, constantly. According to the game, Corrin can do no wrong. It doesn't LET you do any wrong.

Sounds like lame fan fiction.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Blond Gaston?

This just made me laugh. No idea who the guy in the picture is. It’s just funny.

 

[kirbsmash]

I played Fates. That is literally the only way to judge if they're a bad character so this answer must be biased.
Corrin's entire arc is them being naive and insisting pacifism. Except they're fine killing other mooks. Also, I say arc, but it's really nothing-this belief is proven right by the narrative itself, constantly, constantly, constantly. According to the game, Corrin can do no wrong. It doesn't LET you do any wrong.

Sounds boring. Also all of the 3 plots of that game?How are they?

 

[Deleted member]

I played Fates. That is literally the only way to judge if they're a bad character so this answer must be biased.
Corrin's entire arc is them being naive and insisting pacifism. Except they're fine killing other mooks. Also, I say arc, but it's really nothing-this belief is proven right by the narrative itself, constantly, constantly, constantly. According to the game, Corrin can do no wrong. It doesn't LET you do any wrong.

President, actually, Corrin doesn't kill anyone in Conquest. "Oh geez, good thing we didn't kill anyone, amirite?" ~ Corrin, every Conquest chapter except the ones with the Faceless or the Kitsune map.
In Birthright though? **** those Nohrians, they're evil savages and deserve to be killed!

 

[monadoboy]

Sounds boring. Also all of the 3 plots of that game?How are they?

Birthright is ridiculously simple.
Conquest and Revelation are a headache inducing mess, full of plot holes, contradictions and pretty much every negative trope out there.

 

[Bionichute]

President, actually, Corrin doesn't kill anyone in Conquest. "Oh geez, good thing we didn't kill anyone, amirite?" ~ Corrin, every Conquest chapter except the ones with the Faceless or the Kitsune map.
In Birthright though? **** those Nohrians, they're evil savages and deserve to be killed!

almost like japan has extreme xenophobia issues

 

[Darkbeard]

Now for day 3!

【あと3日】
『大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ SPECIAL』発売まで、あと3日となりました。
ワタクシも、イラストにだけ特別に登場させていただきましたよ。『ファイアーエムブレム』のヒーローさん達も、いまからワクワクが止まらないようです♪#スマブラカウントダウン #スマブラSP #FEヒーローズ pic.twitter.com/wg8kybXyFa

— ファイアーエムブレム ヒーローズ (@FE_Heroes_JP) December 4, 2018

This is fitting, given the current discussion ^here

【あと3日】レッツ ダンス ボーイズ💋

12月7日発売の『大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ SPECIAL』に、我らが最強魔女ベヨネッタに続いて、魔界の名工ロダンもアシストフィギュアとして参戦します！イラストby @PG_y_hashimoto #ベヨネッタ #ベヨネッタ２#スマブラカウントダウン#スマブラSP #スマブラ pic.twitter.com/1jyIICgbf2

— プラチナゲームズ公式アカウント (@platinumgames_j) December 4, 2018

For real what?

 

[Kingslime304]

Believe it or not, I didn't make it...
So about twenty minutes ago, I was just curious and decided to search my username on the site to see if y'all were talking about me...
Let's just say this was one of the top results


Apparently, it was made by Kingslime304 about a week or two ago, and I never noticed it for some reason... I'm so glad I found it now, and I wish I found it sooner...
While I'm here talking about this, I want to thank Kingslime304 for this glorious masterpiece

Sorry of being late, but your welcome.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

And of course, the first thing I see when I get back from work, is all of you hating on my main...
Corrin is the best Smash character, and you can't prove to me otherwise...

Then again, I'm kinda used to it, as a lot of the characters I use (and even the characters I want) in Smash are all pretty controversial choices...

 

[Deleted member]

And of course, the first thing I see when I get back from work, is all of you hating on my main...
Corrin is the best Smash character, and you can't prove to me otherwise...

Then again, I'm kinda used to it, as a lot of the characters I use (and even the characters I want) in Smash are all pretty controversial picks...

I have absolutely nothing against Corrin in Smash, they're really fun to use

Again, i have never played FE so I really can't judge, but if you can make them touch children or w/e, or make Corrin give some gay girl a potion to make her less fixated on girls or w/e, then that's pretty messed up. But this might just be me talking outta my arse since I'm just repeating stuff I heard on message boards, so if someone could correct me if I'm wrong I would be grateful

 

[ClaTheBae]

who in this thread will order me a pizza in exchange for your main's frame data

 

[Impa4Smash]

And of course, the first thing I see when I get back from work, is all of you hating on my main...
Corrin is the best Smash character, and you can't prove to me otherwise...

Then again, I'm kinda used to it, as a lot of the characters I use (and even the characters I want) in Smash are all pretty controversial choices...

They’re very unique and fun to play as at least

 

[CrusherMania1592]

who in this thread will order me a pizza in exchange for your main's frame data

Does cooking a pizza count? Because I got a pizza that looks like the face of Roy's in the oven

 

[Deleted member]

who in this thread will order me a pizza in exchange for your main's frame data

Give me Shulk's frame data and I'll order you some nice chicken pizza.

 

[Kingslime304]

President, actually, Corrin doesn't kill anyone in Conquest. "Oh geez, good thing we didn't kill anyone, amirite?" ~ Corrin, every Conquest chapter except the ones with the Faceless or the Kitsune map.
In Birthright though? **** those Nohrians, they're evil savages and deserve to be killed!

That's pretty much why I like to think of Male Birthright Corrin as more bloodthirsty/crazy (As the story progresses) compared to his female Conquest counterpart. Not to the point of being evil, but still more than usual.

 

[Starbound]

Best Fates character for Smash would be Azura.

and it's not even close. Girl brings so much unique to the FE character selection and the Smash character pool as a whole with water-bending, music and spear-based combat.

 

[Droodle]

And of course, the first thing I see when I get back from work, is all of you hating on my main...
Corrin is the best Smash character, and you can't prove to me otherwise...

Then again, I'm kinda used to it, as a lot of the characters I use (and even the characters I want) in Smash are all pretty controversial picks...

I mean tbf Corrin is fun and unique in smash, however, most people hate Corrin because he is a terriblly written lord in FE. He is like a badly written OC character.

- Everyone loves him, even his enemies.
- Is the chosen one destined to wield the Yato.
- Has the blood of a Dragon God within him.
- Is the prince of two warring nations thanks to him being adopted for no reason.
- Is also a prince of another secret nation that no one knows about.
- Everyone loves him (literally).
- Is able to capture an important enemy stronghold without killing anyone, prompting everyone to love him even more.

Fates-wakening in general suffers from extremely poor writing in certain aspects. I'm hoping Three Houses goes back to FE 9 or Jugdral writing.

 

[Phobos_Anomaly]

Man all the FE dislike in this thread is rough

They're not even the highest represented franchise in the game. They're 3rd behind Super Mario and Pokemon.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I have absolutely nothing against Corrin in Smash, they're really fun to use

Again, i have never played FE so I really can't judge, but if you can make them touch children or w/e, or make Corrin give some gay girl a potion to make her less fixated on girls or w/e, then that's pretty messed up. But this might just be me talking outta my arse since I'm just repeating stuff I heard on message boards, so if someone could correct me if I'm wrong I would be grateful

I mean tbf Corrin is fun and unique in smash, however, most people hate Corrin because he is a terriblly written lord in FE. He is like a badly written OC character.

- Everyone loves him, even his enemies.
- Is the chosen one destined to wield the Yato.
- Has the blood of a Dragon God within him.
- Is the prince of two warring nations thanks to him being adopted for no reason.
- Is also a prince of another secret nation that no one knows about.
- Everyone loves him (literally).
- Is able to capture an important enemy stronghold without killing anyone, prompting everyone to love him even more.

Fates-wakening in general suffers from extremely poor writing in certain aspects. I'm hoping Three Houses goes back to FE 9 or Jugdral writing.

I wasn't talking about the FE incarnation... just how fun the Smash Bros one is...
I really don't care for the Fire Emblem games tbh...
That being said, I can easily see why they're so hated in their game of origin

 

[praline]

I mean tbf Corrin is fun and unique in smash, however, most people hate Corrin because he is a terriblly written lord in FE. He is like a badly written OC character.

- Everyone loves him, even his enemies.
- Is the chosen one destined to wield the Yato.
- Has the blood of a Dragon God within him.
- Is the prince of two warring nations thanks to him being adopted for no reason.
- Is also a prince of another secret nation that no one knows about.
- Everyone loves him (literally).
- Is able to capture an important enemy stronghold without killing anyone, prompting everyone to love him even more.

Fates-wakening in general suffers from extremely poor writing in certain aspects. I'm hoping Three Houses goes back to FE 9 or Jugdral writing.

You know you ****ed up when your main character weilds a flaming chainsaw sword and can turn into a dragonand everyone thinks he’s lame as hell.

 

[RyuhoFox]

I heard that apparently you could make them touch children in Fates, which is kinda messed up. And apparently male Corrin like gives some drink to a gay character to make her less fixated on women or something? idk I'm just saying what I heard on message boards I have no idea if it's true or not

Tmk anyone they are capable of being with are generally considered mature enough as far as Im aware considering they are all taking part in an organized war.
From what I heard of that scene was that it was supposed to make them be able to work with men better or something. Haven't seen much of the game myself but from people who had seen it it seems that the intent of it wasn't to make them not gay.

Though it's doubtful that most people in the Smash fandom know a single thing about how they are in their game considering a lot have either no interest or knowledge of FE to begin with. Most of the time how Corrin is in Fates will be brought up to support their already decided opinion rather than being the basis of why they have that opinion.

 

[Deleted member]

I wasn't talking about the FE incarnation... just how fun the Smash Bros one is...
I really don't care for the Fire Emblem games tbh...
That being said, I can easily see why they're so hated in their game of origin

Oh, Corrin is fun as hell in Smash. Very unique and the pin is such a fun tool in their kit!

 

[ClaTheBae]

Give me Shulk's frame data and I'll order you some nice chicken pizza.

a chicken pizza?

white people are wild

 

[Deleted member]

a chicken pizza?

white people are wild

What are you talking about? It's ****ing great

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Could anybody tell me, without bias, why Corrin is a bad character? Anybody.

Here's one of many character discussions about Corrin, and some quotes from it that convey my opinions about Corrin:

Love Conquest Corrin, like Birthright Corrin, and despise Revelation Corrin.

I like how each path changes Corrin's personality and development, while still keeping them recognizable and not making them too OOC. Conquest Corrin learns that his idealism doesn't work, especially under the harsh rule of King Garon, and is constantly guilty about leaving Hoshido behind. Birthright Corrin blossoms into a confident and strong leader, which makes sense since he escapes an abusive life.

I feel like Corrin is mostly hindered by a lack of worldbuilding and Fates Writing(TM). They're not the Anti-Christ like most of the fandom makes them out to be.

Corrin is inherently interesting given their backstory, their crazy fighting style, and their ability to transform into a mother****ing dragon. Unfortunately, Fates never really addresses the aspects of their characterization that make them interesting in order to make them function as a blank canvas the player can project onto. However, Corrin still has too much of a place in their world due to their connections to so many characters, so they fail at being a self insert. The result is a character that can’t function as a self insert but doesn’t have enough characterization to actually be interesting.

Warriors, on the other hand, makes Corrin great. No longer being the protagonist or a self insert allows Corrin to show more characterization while also taking away enough focus that their annoying character traits are not as much as a constant presence. It also helps that the difference in gameplay allows Warriors to show off how bat**** crazy Corrin’s fighting style is in a way Fates never could, making them a joy to play as.

tl;dr: Fates!Corrin has a lot of potential, but their role in the game makes them uninteresting and obnoxious. Warriors gives Corrin a completely different role, allowing them to thrive and become the best Fates character in the game.

Welp, I'm late.

For how I feel about Corrin in Birthright and Conquest, I'll just link my writeups about those Corns.

Although some of my thoughts have changed since them, the rankings of the two Corns remains the same as I ranked them before on my Lord list (CQ!Corrin>Eliwood>Marth>BR!Corrin).

As for Corrin in Revelation, I've said I do not like them, but I feel like I never actually gave a detailed explanation why, so I will today.

I actually think Rev!Corrin had a really strong base, with the idea that no one in the world trusts them outside some servants and Azura, and they need to figure out a way to tell everyone about the true enemy despite the odds.

However, if anyone has seen my complaints with Alm, you would know that I dislike main characters who don't grow over their story, or even worse, main characters who take every opportunity for growth and has it twisted into a reason for them to remain stagnant. Rev!Corrin is pretty much never challenged, and when they are, they somehow always come out right, similar to Alm. However, unlike Alm, where it feels like he's alright right because the writers wanted him to be Jesus, Rev!Corrin feels like they are always right because outside the Anthony arc, they almost has no characterization. In Rev, Corrin has the naivety and kindness the other two Corrin's have, but that's it. They don't have the strong sense of justice and vengeance BR!Corrin has, nor the sense of guilt CQ!Corrin has, which makes the better parts of Rev!Corrin pretty forgettable for me.

The one time I can remember Rev!Corrin actually standing out and acting like a main character going on a physical and mental journey is in the infamous Anthony arc, which was pointless because Corrin barely grew as a character. I don't know if Corrin doubting Mikoto's door shenanigans in a later chapter was suppose to be development from the Anthony ordeal, but if it was, BR!Corrin already had a similar development handled significantly better, which makes Rev!Corrin come off of as a half-assed mis-mash between BR and CQ!Corrin.

Overall, Rev!Corrin feels like a combination of two of my favorite characters that removes the main things I like about those characters. Also, while this is kind of petty, Rev!Corrin making my favorite FE character(s) hated just by sharing the same face also doesn't do them any favors for me.

Essentially, Corrin suffers from Terrible-Fates-Writing Syndrome, and is therefore disliked by a large majority of the fanbase. It also doesn't help that Fates is one of, if not the most divisive game in the franchise, and Corrin just so happens to be the main character of it.

 

[kirbsmash]

what if Fates remove Corrin as an main character? Like, they're still there but you yourself picks who you wanted to side with?

 

[culumon]

Corrin having the ability to do the nasty with their siblings soured me on them well, well before their Smash reveal.

Spoiler: Fates Spoiler

And no, them not being blood related doesn't really make things any better IMO, at least on the Nohrian side where they were still raised as a sibling to Xander and co their whole life. Plus they can still do the deed with Azura, who is their cousin by blood! Bleh.

 

[Deleted member]

Tmk anyone they are capable of being with are generally considered mature enough as far as Im aware considering they are all taking part in an organized war.
From what I heard of that scene was that it was supposed to make them be able to work with men better or something. Haven't seen much of the game myself but from people who had seen it it seems that the intent of it wasn't to make them not gay.

Though it's doubtful that most people in the Smash fandom know a single thing about how they are in their game considering a lot have either no interest or knowledge of FE to begin with. Most of the time how Corrin is in Fates will be brought up to support their already decided opinion rather than being the basis of why they have that opinion.

Thanks for clearing up the stuff about drugging the gay girl, it's still kinda weird how the portrayed that girl but that's not Corrin's fault

The stuff about children is still super wack, though. I can't just get over that under the thought of "they're mature enough". The ability to date your siblings in that game is also pretty wack tbh, incest is not a good

What are you talking about? It's ****ing great

I'm brown and can second this statement

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Bruh chicken finger pizza is ****ing amazing.

Chicken finger subs are even better, don’t @ me.

Also, I pretty much mapped out a little chart for unlocking characters without overlapping, and it looks to me as if swapping modes, so vs, classic, and WoL is the best way.

So basically, play a game of Smash, unlock the first character (Sans), then play classic and unlock a character from that, play vs again for another one, rinse and repeat.

Then do WoL for at least a little while. Then fight someone when you exit, unlock them. Then play vs to unlock another, then play classic, unlock another, then continue the pattern as you see fit, pretty much.

It’s a matter of patience. I’m still trying to figure out how to unlock Mewtwo without WoL, but the Google Doc gives no guidance on that.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

a chicken pizza?

white people are wild

Pineapple, bacon, pepperoni, and chicken isn't enough?

Lemme tell you man you gotta get creative and appreciate the food for what it is!