Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Hinata]

I'm waiting on the guy who made the Chrom "leak" with the middle finger to come out and debunk it later.

I can't be the only one who remembers that leak.

Oh, man, I forgot about that one. That was a good one.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm waiting on the guy who made the Chrom "leak" with the middle finger to come out and debunk it later.

I can't be the only one who remembers that leak.

I remember that one.

 

[Hinata]

You want a real trip down memory lane, I got two words for all y'all who were a part of Smash 4 speculation.

Sal Romano.

 

[SuperMii3D]

Goodness, I came back from work 90 minutes ago and had to catch up on all the reading. This is definitely the best "leak" so far, it's really convincing and it looks really nice. The choppiness could be because this leaker has an early beta version of the game, but that's the only conspiracy I have. Everything else about the video just looks really well done, and while I hope it's real, I'm leaning on Team Fake as well.

 

[Pakky]

Anybody remember Maelstrom?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I hate how I went from "totally fake" to "possibly real". If this ends up being fake I'm never going against my first instinct again.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Man this leak is going to haunt me in my sleep.

 

[Hinata]

I hate how I went from "totally fake" to "possibly real". If this ends up being fake I'm never going against my first instinct again.

I believe the ESRB leak started the same way. Palutena leak might've had the same.

It's in everyone's instincts to claim every new leak as fake right off the bat. Saves us the disappointment.

 

[Staarih]

The Smash fandom has been very thirsty for news, so that also may contribute to why some are less willing to straight up declare this as fake (as not only does it give something to talk about, it gives a look of what ”could be” as we know nothing of what the game looks like).

But I just personally can’t see this as real in any way to be honest.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Looks fake to me, Ice Climbers keeping their Brawl model, the way Cappy is presented, the good old camera filming the TV.
Be honest, none of you believe it but just want to talk about a leak.

 

[Hinata]

Looks fake to me, Ice Climbers keeping their Brawl model, the way Cappy is presented, the good old camera filming the TV.
Be honest, none of you believe it but just want to talk about a leak.

I'm not sayin' I believe it, all I'm sayin' is that the discussions we've had about it have given it some merit.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Looks fake to me, Ice Climbers keeping their Brawl model, the way Cappy is presented, the good old camera filming the TV.
Be honest, none of you believe it but just want to talk about a leak.

While there's nothing that screams real, there's also nothing that screams fake. All leaks should be seen as "fake until proven real", but we also shouldn't give up on it til we actually find some defining thing that makes it fake.

 

[Starcutter]

If this is real it's gotta still be using placeholders because of how crummy some of it looks

I almost wanna say the spring man stuff is legit but the Ice Climbers isn't lmao

 

[Hinata]

If this is real it's gotta still be using placeholders because of how crummy some of it looks

I almost wanna say the spring man stuff is legit but the Ice Climbers isn't lmao

Yeah, I've seen quite a few people with that viewpoint. It makes sense, and I think someone in this thread mentioned how leakers will sometimes put fake things in with real leaks just to get the corporate execs off their trail.

...No idea how that works, but it's what I've heard.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

So I went and watched like 4 videos of Mario's Smash 4 Forward Air in slow motion, and the animation on the right hand is definitely different than the pictures we have from the leak. It's a minor difference, but a difference nonetheless.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

To the people who say the Ice Climbers in the leak are just using their Brawl models; how do you expect them to actually look like in the game?

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

To the people who say the Ice Climbers in the leak are just using their Brawl models; how do you expect them to actually look like in the game?

Differently than their Brawl model.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

To the people who say the Ice Climbers in the leak are just using their Brawl models; how do you expect them to actually look like in the game?

On this note, one thing I find bothersome is people complaining that character models look too similar to past models/models from different games. Like, it's still the same damn character, of course they're going to look alike.

The only model gripe I can agree with is that Mario looks like he fell straight out of Odyssey. But even then it could make sense to do that. Link is in his BotW outfit, why not make Mario at least aesthetically match his recent counterpart?

 

[Logo12]

Just to put things in perspective, we have been discussing this leak nonstop for a full 12 pages.

if that's any indication, it's just that all of us are desperate for news.

If it's real, then cool-cool, we have something.
If not, it's an indication that at this point, we can't believe anything anymore, not just text rumors, but even actual gameplay-ish footages. At least not until they're confirmed officially.

Who knows if one is going to make a legit smashclone engine one day just to fool us. Fake leaks have evolved too far.

Like most people here, I'm just going to assume it's fake until that long 2 month wait to E3 is over.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Differently than their Brawl model.

Their Brawl model had fur. This one does not. The colors were more muted. This one is not. If it's their Brawl model? It's been edited.

 

[Pakky]

Ah crap could the high jump on Springman be a testing thing given that he might have a beta

I'm falling for the Kool-aid

Their Brawl model had fur. This one does not. The colors were more muted. This one is not. If it's their Brawl model? It's been edited.

Yeah Photoshop levels and or saturation on the diffuse maps.

 

[vaanrose]

To the people who say the Ice Climbers in the leak are just using their Brawl models; how do you expect them to actually look like in the game?

Extra fuzzy.

 

[NintendoKnight]

Just for point of reference, here's the Ice Climbers trophy in Sm4sh.

There are differences such as those shell layers that imitate fuzz, and the hammer texture.

EDIT:

Went over some Brawl images...

Note the size of Mario and Popo. Mario's barely bigger. But if you look at the leak images, Mario is WAY larger than them. Mario is unnaturally large in the images. Someone explain?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I suppose they might have had to create a new model for the Ice Climbers?

It could potentially explain the size difference if this is real.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

It's hard to tell, but I think the Ice Climbers mouths are different too. Certain characters mouths (namely Ness and Lucas) in Brawl looked kind of weird, and they changed the way they looked in Smash 4. The Ice Climbers mouths were similar to the mouths of Ness and Lucas in Brawl, and it looks like the Ice Climbers mouths in the leak better match the mouths of Ness and Lucas in Smash 4.

Or I'm just a crazy ******* who needs to sleep.

Went over some Brawl images...

Note the size of Mario and Popo. Mario's barely bigger. But if you look at the leak images, Mario is WAY larger than them. Mario is unnaturally large in the images. Someone explain?

I guess we have to recreate the leaked image in Brawl to see if it matches up.

 

[Danpal65]

So Jon of NomComs and ResetEra reckons it's a fake as well. Seems pretty sure of it.

It's also funny that the "leaker" provided Direct Feed screenshots alongside his shakey off screen footage. Sure, dude. pic.twitter.com/DOmnV5gRZn

— Jon Cartwright (@JonComms) April 15, 2018

Weighing in personally, I'm unconvinced about this rumour. I'd be on board with these characters getting in, but it just does not seem quite right. Also, does anyone else feel that this looks too similar to Sm4sh? Like m, with 2 years we should expect a bit more of a difference?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I'm just going to go with my first instinct and assume this is fake. I'm done overanalyzing this ****.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

So Jon of NomComs and ResetEra reckons it's a fake as well. Seems pretty sure of it.

It's also funny that the "leaker" provided Direct Feed screenshots alongside his shakey off screen footage. Sure, dude. pic.twitter.com/DOmnV5gRZn

— Jon Cartwright (@JonComms) April 15, 2018

Weighing in personally, I'm unconvinced about this rumour. I'd be on board with these characters getting in, but it just does not seem quite right. Also, does anyone else feel that this looks too similar to Sm4sh? Like m, with 2 years we should expect a bit more of a difference?

I mean Mario Kart 8 Deluxe doesn’t look that much different from Mark Kart 8. Same goes for Splatoon. It could literally be a Splatoon 2 situation for all we know and two years were simply spent on polish and adding new content.

 

[Danpal65]

I mean Mario Kart 8 Deluxe doesn’t look that much different from Mark Kart 8. Same goes for Splatoon. It could literally be a Splatoon 2 situation for all we know and two years were simply spent on polish and adding new content.

I suppose so. I guess it is just wishful thinking that we will have some sort of significant differentiator between the two games.

I mean, I would still love to have a game like Sm4sh on the Switch, but having something that at least looks "new" would be awesome.

In either case Smash is coming to the Switch and that is awesome!

 

[T-Hell]

I refuse to believe Smash Switch is less bright and lively-coloured than Smash U, because to me those screenshots of the leak suggest me just that.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

My bet: it's a fake leak with safe choices mostly.
It wouldn't surprise me that we'll get Decidueye, Ice Climber, Cappy and Spring-man.
But come on, first picture leak is set on this damned Yoshi stage. If I recall same happened four years ago with Shulk.

 

[Pakky]

When are the Youtubers gonna get in on this?

I'm sure some greedy little hands want this news for money.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Spring Man's high single jump is just weird.

 

[Pakky]

Spring Man's high single jump is just weird.

That's what I'm saying he's not even a jumper, he's a slightly bouncier Little Max with a LONG reach.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

I've seen too many reasons the leak is fake for it to not be fake.

Ah crap could the high jump on Springman be a testing thing given that he might have a beta

I'm falling for the Kool-aid.

I'm still saying there's a possibility of Spring Man's jump being that high. Ribbon Girl focuses on multiple jumps, not high jumps. Besides, every character in ARMS has the same jump height, so there's reason to change it for Smash. Not to mention how character's stats in Smash aren't always the same as they are in the original game.

Spring Man's high jump could also be a reference to the fact that his home stage has bounce pads (though I'm not saying he jumped high because of the stage he was on).

 

[FlareHabanero]

Of all the things to argue about, why Spring Man's jump height?

 

[TechPowah]

I'm gonna ignore whether the leak is real or not for now

i'm just here to say i really like the damage UI and pause menu stuffs

at this point, I don't care about leaks, I just wanna see the actual game

 

[Cosmic77]

Here's two other things that have me suspicious enough to the point of calling this fake.

First off, why did the leaker show us the screen and the GameCube controller, but not at the same time? If this was the real deal and the leaker really wanted to convince people, then he should have shown us him pressing the buttons on the controller as Spring Man jumped and attacked. This would be EXTREMELY hard to do if this was just pre-recorded footage, and people would have a hard time discrediting this if he did. However, it seems like the leaker deliberately moved the focus of the camera from the controller to the screen before Spring Man started moving.

Second, Spring Man stays in one spot and does a fairly simple attack. Trying to animate a character model to move around, jump, across the stage, and attack with unique animations all while making it look official and smooth is pretty hard. Trying to animate a character model to jump up and down? Ehh... Not so much. Again, if this was the real deal, then I don't see why the leaker wouldn't try to show off more. It doesn't have to be a bunch of unique specials or a Final Smash or anything. Just seeing Spring Man run around would be helpful in validating this. Instead, the leaker showed us something so basic and simple that just about anyone with a little experience could've animated.


None of this is conclusive evidence against the leak being real, but I feel like this should be a little brow-raising for some people.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

Of all the things to argue about, why Spring Man's jump height?

Since we finally got a decent leak, we gotta hardcore analyze every single little detail about it to fully assess whether or not it can truly be called accurate.

Also, why not?

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'm going to play a bit of devil's advocate regarding to the leaked footage looking dull. It's very possible that whoever recorded it was not properly using their phone settings, as it looks like it has improper white balancing. When the white balance isn't used to it's fullest, it can create an image that is more washed out.

For example, here's Puyo Puyo Tetris. I'm using this game as an example since it puts heavy emphasis on saturated solid colors. Below is what the game should look like.

Now here's the game that I took from my phone, with the white balance settings purposely off. Notice that the colors are now much more dull due to a combination of the computer's brightness and the colors not properly being balanced.

Not saying whoever made this is right, but it's very possible that whoever was recording that wasn't properly using the right settings. Not helping that Spring Stadium naturally puts heavy emphasis on dull yellow and orange colors.