Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

I can't believe that Ridley finally become playable character after fans' countless years of begging and asking for him. Now he's here and I better see y'all main this character and make it worthwhile for yourself! I'm quite excited about his inclusion! #SmashBrosUltimate pic.twitter.com/yyfZBDMcLS

— IntelliHeath (@IntelliHeath) December 1, 2018

Perfect time to put up this video. (Headphone and swear warning in the description)
https://youtu.be/fx54iTF9BR8

 

[Deleted member]

I can't believe that Ridley finally become playable character after fans' countless years of begging and asking for him. Now he's here and I better see y'all main this character and make it worthwhile for yourself! I'm quite excited about his inclusion! #SmashBrosUltimate pic.twitter.com/yyfZBDMcLS

— IntelliHeath (@IntelliHeath) December 1, 2018

I’m a Metroid fan.
I will buy his amiibo at launch.
I will main every Metroid rep and K.Rool.


So i will main Ridley.

 

[kirbsmash]

Any Wario mains here?

 

[Deleted member]

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior-come-on-lets-get-this-show-on-the-road-geno-dlc.446378/page-423#post-22784549

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior-come-on-lets-get-this-show-on-the-road-geno-dlc.446378/page-423#post-22784621

However, it may be false; Fatmanonice just thinks it sounds realistic and plausible.

From his wording, idk who else knows.

The DQ thing is my speculation.

My bet is on Sora/Geno/DQ character.
Sora was turned down because Square wanted a character they own and don't want to deal with Disney, cue annoyed Nomura. Explains why Verge was told Sora ain't it too.
It's either Geno or the DQ character at this point imo.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I'd kill everyone here for that.

Um... please don't.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd kill everyone here for that.


Probably won't happen until that concert in April if it does happen

You won’t kill me.
But you will kill Madden Player.

Um... please don't.

This, except the mentioned entity.

 

[Opossum]

Hey, I just put up another moveset concept! It’s a very different character choice for me, but I put a lot into it.

Honestly the taunts are the best part. Good stuff! Also love the black and white pallet swap.

 

[Kuon]

So based on recent rumors around the Square Enix Rep. My guess has been changed to Sephiroth, if that rumor of the character rejected by Square is indeed Erdrick/Slime.

A rumor rejected Erdrick/Slime?

 

[Deleted member]

I'd kill everyone here for that

Not if I kill me first!


This recent Square stuff increases Geno’s chances imo.

 

[?????????????]

Honestly the taunts are the best part. Good stuff! Also love the black and white pallet swap.

Thanks you!

 

[Kuraudo]

Also is Sephiroth really that unlikely or hated?

Nope. Sephiroth is still insanely popular. However when it comes to Smash and with finite space for new characters, you’re gonna hear hate.

Even if it’s difficult to ignore.

 

[Deleted member]

Nope. Sephiroth is still insanely popular. However when it comes to Smash and with finite space for new characters, you’re gonna hear hate.

Even if it’s difficult to ignore.

I would be fine with him and any other Square rep, tbh.

I accept any character that doesn’t steal Crash’s spot, which is something that would probably never happen.

 

[Kuon]

I'd kill everyone here for that.


Probably won't happen until that concert in April if it does happen

I just want Persona Q music in Smash. Best OST of all time

 

[Deleted member]

I find it hard to believe it's Sephiroth tbh and I don't see why Square would be so adamant about turning down a DQ character.
The only other character I could see them just going "nope" is Geno if they just think he's too much of a joke but it being Sora just fits the narrative much better.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I can't believe that Ridley finally become playable character after fans' countless years of begging and asking for him. Now he's here and I better see y'all main this character and make it worthwhile for yourself! I'm quite excited about his inclusion! #SmashBrosUltimate pic.twitter.com/yyfZBDMcLS

— IntelliHeath (@IntelliHeath) December 1, 2018

I never asked for him.

 

[Kuon]

I would be fine with him and any other Square rep, tbh.

I accept any character that doesn’t steal Crash’s spot, which is something that would probably never happen.

No character is stealing anyone's spot though. They were either chosen or not chosen. Simple as that

 

[kirbsmash]

I never asked for him.

This goes for me as well. I just want Popo and Nana back. Ridley's eh to me. A bit too monster-like for me.

 

[Deleted member]

I never asked for him.

I saw him as a character hard to add due to Sakurai’s comments in the past, so i mostly asked about Dark Samus, Sylux and K.Rool instead.

Before Skylanders Imaginators and N.Sane Trilogy, Crash was the same deal: i wanted him a lot, but he needed a good comeback first.

No character is stealing anyone's spot though. They were either chosen or not chosen. Simple as that

That’s the truth.

And why i accept and want to try any newcomer in the end.

 

[Kuon]

I find it hard to believe it's Sephiroth tbh and I don't see why Square would be so adamant about turning down a DQ character.
The only other character I could see them just going "nope" is Geno if they just think he's too much of a joke but it being Sora just fits the narrative much better.

I find that hard to believe too. Did something happen that's led people to believe it's him and not the others?

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

I never asked for him.

I never asked for Chrom either.

 

[Deleted member]

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior-come-on-lets-get-this-show-on-the-road-geno-dlc.446378/page-423#post-22784549

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior-come-on-lets-get-this-show-on-the-road-geno-dlc.446378/page-423#post-22784621

However, it may be false; Fatmanonice just thinks it sounds realistic and plausible.

From his wording, idk who else knows.

The DQ thing is my speculation.

I'm betting on either Geno or Sephiroth at this point. A DQ character was probably the one turned down immediately, while Crono and Sora may have never been seriously considered.

 

[Deleted member]

I find that hard to believe too. Did something happen that's led people to believe it's him and not the others?

I personally want him due to my playable villains bias in every game i buy.

But the thing that makes some people see him as likely is apparently a leaked Vergeben list.

I never asked for Chrom either.

And nobody asked for Piranha Plant.

But we loved it.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I never asked for him.

One sole person's opinion doesn't really matter compared to the millions of people who asked for Ridley

(I wasn't really crazy for Ridley's inclusion either, but you can't deny his support was something else)

 

[Wyoming]

Also is Sephiroth really that unlikely or hated?

It is Smash. Everyone except the original 8, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Zelda, Villager, Dedede, Meta Knight, Diddy, Wario, and Olimar got hate on the day of their reveal for one reason or another.

 

[Kuon]

I personally want him due to my playable villains bias in every game i buy.

But the thing that makes some people see him as likely is apparently a leaked Vergeben list.


And nobody asked for Piranha Plant.

But we loved it.

I know about the list, I just thought something else happened today that let people to believe it's Sepharoth and not anyone else

 

[PsySmasher]

I never asked for him.

I never asked for Chrom either.

You guys might not like them. But a lot of people do.
Ridley fans have been waiting 17 years for this.
And I'm sure Chrom fans are happy after what went down in Smash 4.

 

[Kuon]

I'm betting on either Geno or Sephiroth at this point. A DQ character was probably the one turned down immediately, while Crono and Sora may have never been seriously considered.

What makes you think DQ was turned down? I think it's the most likely tbh

 

[Deleted member]

Memes, Machines, and You!

 

[Nekoo]

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior-come-on-lets-get-this-show-on-the-road-geno-dlc.446378/page-423#post-22784549

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior-come-on-lets-get-this-show-on-the-road-geno-dlc.446378/page-423#post-22784621

However, it may be false; Fatmanonice just thinks it sounds realistic and plausible.

From his wording, idk who else knows.

The DQ thing is my speculation.

Oh boy...
Well, I went to check if it's something I can say-
But in my ends, what I heard was that Sora had Conflincting information as back as mid-november. (Which two people in that thread could verify as something I did say) Which seems to weirdly follow the Narative that is presented here that creator want said characters in, but square are being assholes about it and were trying to make them reconsider it.

I only heard later on, after the DM leak a few days before it publicly leak that Vergeben said he wasn't the one.

So I'm surprised about it myself-

 

[Alaskalana]

Mains:
-Richter
-Simon
-K. Rool
-Pikachu
-Maybe Incineroar
-Def Young Link

 

[Deleted member]

You guys might not like them. But a lot of people do.
Ridley fans have been waiting 17 years for this.
And I'm sure Chrom fans are happy after what went down in Smash 4.

I am happy as a Metroid fan for the stuff of the franchise present in Ultimate, and with everything in the game that people enjoy.

When i see people happy, i am so too.

Mains:
-Richter
-Simon
-K. Rool
-Pikachu
-Maybe Incineroar
-Def Young Link

-Ridley
-Dark Samus
-Varia Samus
-Zero Suit Samus
-K.Rool
-Pokémon Trainer (Leaf)
-Simon Belmont
-Snake
-Megaman

 

[Deleted member]

What makes you think DQ was turned down? I think it's the most likely tbh

Just weighing in my opinion, I know **** all about what truly could have happened but it seems likely to me given the right holders they would have to go through for DQ. I think Shish's take on it is just as plausible, maybe moreso than mine.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh boy...
Well, I went to check if it's something I can say-
But in my ends, what I heard was that Sora had Conflincting information as back as mid-november. (Which two people in that thread could verify as something I did say) Which seems to weirdly follow the Narative that is presented here that creator want said characters in, but square are being ******** about it and were trying to make them reconsider it.

I only heard later on, after the DM leak a few days before it publicly leak that Vergeben said he wasn't the one.

So I'm surprised about it myself-

That’s pretty interesting. I do think what you’re saying would seem to suggest Sora as the turned down character. Thanks for sharing!

 

[Deleted member]

"I didn't ask for this character, therefore they suck!!"

 

[Deleted member]

"I didn't ask for this character, therefore they suck!!"

Piranha Plant kind of killed that argument.

Even i, who was against the idea at first, ended up accepting the thing.

 

[beans]

Okay so my speculation about the Square debacle.

The trio I believe (have in mind I have big bias for SNES era Square) is Geno/Crono/Sora, with Sora being the cut one.
I believe it in the scenario of Nintendo starting the DLC talk with SE a long time ago, like the Sora Yes tweet and the start SE dlc rumors ago.

I see Nintendo choosing characters who have big relevancy to their systems and not others. Sephiroth would be cut from talk here, since he is heavily linked to FF7, a PS1 title that represented SE changing from Nintendo to Sony. Cloud gets a pass because he is an icon of the franchise. (also, as a persona opinion, I think Sakurai wouldnt double down on an already represented 3rd party franchise when he has a chance to bring another one in)

I see Nintendo not choosing picks heavily preferred by one country with niche popularity in others. The 3 DQ (Slime, Luminary and Erdrick) would be cut here, since while DQ is really big in Japan, its niche in pretty much all other countries. (personal opinion, again, Sakurai has already expressed that he takes worldwide populairty in consideration, as show with Takamaru, but with the FE duo in Melee serving as an counter argument)

Nintendo would pick Crono for his popularity as a cult classic RPG heavily associated to the SNES.
Nintendo would pick Geno for the ease of his inclusion and as fairly requested character.
Nintendo would pick Sora for his popularity as a popular game and Disney character, since being associated with Disney brings populairty to him.

Talks for Sora would fall early because of Disney and for heavily promoting a game not announced fro release in Nintendo systems. (now this maybe reaching, but I'd like to also theorize with the Sora tweet from long ago. When being questioned about Sora being in Smash, a SE representative said "YES", with the tweet being deleted shortly after because it hinted at private negotions currently in the works)

With the remaining being Geno and Crono, two characters heavily associated with Nintendo with a following, the decision probaly was made by Sakurai or by Nintendo higher ups.

If anyone has any opinions about my theory on the talks, please reply. The discussions on this thread were a bit uninteresting for me until the developments in the SE case, so I'd enjoy to go further into this.

 

[MSmariosonic]

"I didn't ask for this character, therefore they suck!!"

Yeah that about sums up this community

 

[kirbsmash]

It is Smash. Everyone except the original 8, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Zelda, Villager, Dedede, Meta Knight, Diddy, Wario, and Olimar got hate on the day of their reveal for one reason or another.

I see people who wants Mario, out of all the characters, out of the game.

 

[Kuon]

Just weighing in my opinion, I know **** all about what truly could have happened but it seems likely to me given the right holders they would have to go through for DQ. I think Shish's take on it is just as plausible, maybe moreso than mine.

What was Shish's take on it?

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah that about sums up this community before Piranha Plant got revealed.

That sounds better.