Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Ura]

This is like the Rayman leak all over again.

Wonder what will be the next flavor of the month "leak".

 

[N3ON]

Forgive me, as I haven't played ARMS, but in the video when it's paused and zoomed out, would that background screen display a stock picture of Spring-Man, or would it be a screen that showed the current battle, like one of the Pokemon Stadiums?

They start out saying "I cant answer that"

It just seems like regular PR drivel being taken as a major revelation by the fanbase lol.

100%

 

[Arcanir]

For reference sake, there are no Spring Man mods (that I know of) for Smash 4, and the only Decidueye mod I can find looks like this.

It wouldn't be the first time a well made model was made for a 'leak'. The infamous Palutena one was actually a well made fake, but we didn't find out for months until someone came forward. So the lack of these models in the mod scene doesn't mean they're real, it just means the modder crafted them themselves to look more legitimate.

 

[kylexv]

I was curious and decided to compare Little Mac's idle animation and back air with the supposed leak of Spring Man's

Spoiler: Idle Animation

The idle animations are slightly different. Spring Man hops back and forth on his feet (he also does this in ARMS, but it is less rapid, so it is no way 1 to 1). Spring Man also stands upright. Little Mac in his idle animation is hunched and his bounces back and forth without his feet leaving the ground.

Spoiler: Back Air

These two are also considerably different. The two face different directions when using their B-Airs, and Spring Man either seems to do a flurry a punches or winds up before doing his punch. I can't quite tell by the "leak".

Of course this has little to do with the leak being real or fake. I just wanted to throw this out there.

 

[Polan]

I'm curious, who's in the know about the Smash 3DS & Wii U modding scene? DasKoopa isn't but maybe whoever is can decipher further if they can confirm it's a mod or not.

Not that I believe this mind you.
I can't see this being something Nintendo would push through. If they did, I would be concerned about the game as a whole is turning out if Spring Man's animation is that bad.

I meant that his animations are janky because he's still being worked on at this stage of development. Doesn't mean that he's gonna release like this.

 

[Ridel]

That definitely is not Spring Man's idle stance, at least in ARMS. His idle stance being translated 1 to 1 would make more sense considering how the spring arms work.

 

[Yellowlord]

Forgive me, as I haven't played ARMS, but in the video when it's paused and zoomed out, would that background screen display a stock picture of Spring-Man, or would it be a screen that showed the current battle, like one of the Pokemon Stadiums?

If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure the background is supposed to display the fighters that are battling on the stage. This is most prominently seen in the crowd, with there being Spring Man and Ribbon Girl fans, as would be the case if the two fought in ARMS itself. That's not the case here since Decidueye is on the stage instead, of course, but that's what usually happens in an actual ARMS match from what I remember.

 

[Deleted member]

I meant that his animations are janky because he's still being worked on at this stage of development. Doesn't mean that he's gonna release like this.

I see. But I'm still betting on this either being a good mod or an early build.

 

[NintenZ]

Also what’s sketchy is that the stage isn’t unique but has the same layout as Final Destination.

 

[kylexv]

I meant that his animations are janky because he's still being worked on at this stage of development. Doesn't mean that he's gonna release like this.

It's important to note that the supposed leaker said that something along the lines of "the North American localization is almost done." If this were the case, it would have to be the finished build, which takes away from the leak for me.

 

[Ridel]

Those Toasters on Spring Man are actually way too small as well.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Also what’s sketchy is that the stage isn’t unique but has the same layout as Final Destination.

There's not much that can be done with Spring Stadium. It's the most basic stage in ARMS, with the only "hazard" being those pads that bounce you back.

 

[Hinata]

Now, listen, I don't believe this leak any more than the rest of you do, but I'm here purely because someone has to play devil's advocate.

Spring Man's animations are weird, yes, but let us not forget that in version 1.0 of Smash 4, we had hiccups like this.

(https://gfycat.com/ImpeccableMajesticAsianlion if the video doesn't show up)

Oh, and who could forget this beautiful little number?

 

[NintenZ]

There's not much that can be done with Spring Stadium. It's the most basic stage in ARMS, with the only "hazard" being those pads in the back that bounce you back.

So why not have those as the hazards, it would bounce the fighters back into the ring if they were to be knocked into them, it would be a bit better and less bland than a Final Destination clone if I’m being honest.

 

[ShadowKoopa]

So why not have those as the hazards, it would bounce the fighters back into the ring if they were to be knocked into them, it would be a bit better and less bland than a Final Destination clone if I’m being honest.

Probably had issues with it. Might've been too hard to kill people. We do see them below the stage so I do wonder if we can still hit them and they can help characters recover or somehting

 

[vaanrose]

I meant that his animations are janky because he's still being worked on at this stage of development. Doesn't mean that he's gonna release like this.

I can't watch the video at the moment to see the animations for myself, but actual high budget studio character animation is a very different beast from one guy at his computer.

Almost all modded animations are done without a proper animation rig, they're just done by translating and rotating joints. This is a method that hasn't been used in real productions since the 90s. Nowadays rigs are built to accomodate natural kinematics and weight. So while unfinished animations will still be rough, they'll be rough in a really different way than the average mod is rough. The physics of the animations will still feel good, because the rig itself takes care of that.

 

[A Distant Demon]

God I remember smash's release being surprisingly buggy but I forgot this.

How could I forget something so glorious

 

[Polan]

Now, listen, I don't believe this leak any more than the rest of you do, but I'm here purely because someone has to play devil's advocate.

Spring Man's animations are weird, yes, but let us not forget that in version 1.0 of Smash 4, we had hiccups like this.

(https://gfycat.com/ImpeccableMajesticAsianlion if the video doesn't show up)

Oh, and who could forget this beautiful little number?

That Pac-Man one still cracks me up. "Farewell, brothers, we must go to our planet."

It's important to note that the supposed leaker said that something along the lines of "the North American localization is almost done." If this were the case, it would have to be the finished build, which takes away from the leak for me.

Maybe they are done with translations and voicework but the game is still being worked on. I know nothing about localization though so I'm probably wrong.

 

[eltacoenojado]

Happy to see a "leak". Hope for lots more until we get official information. I find them quite enjoyable.

 

[Cosmic77]

Even if Spring Man was a late addition, I doubt that would seriously make him any more likely to be buggy than the other newcomers, especially if they're this late in the game's development.

Meta Knight was the first newcomer revealed in Brawl, and he still ended up being one of the most flawed characters. Well, "flawed" in the sense that he had none.

 

[vaanrose]

As for NoA getting an early build to start localization, that's not really unusual, particularly if they're aiming for a simultaneous global release, but even if they aren't, the game will be playable a month from now at E3, presumably in English.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

This guy could have made this more believable if he had just played the game with the Joycons, rather than a Gamecube controller.

 

[A Distant Demon]

A message to leakers. If you are going to make a leak, fake or otherwise, don't use the most expected characters. Stuff like Spring man, decidueye, or Rex are boring as hell.

Show off Duck Hunt-tier surprises. That will get you some extra points for not being absurdly predictable.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Player 2 isn't a CPU, but rather a "human" player, but we only see one Gamecube controller in the video, so is there a second controller off screan? Time to over analyze this **** that I don't even think is real.

 

[Starcutter]

Player 2 isn't a CPU, but rather a "human" player, but we only see one Gamecube controller in the video, so is there a second controller off screan? Time to over analyze this **** that I don't even think is real.

it could be a joy-con offscreen?

 

[N3ON]

A message to leakers. If you are going to make a leak, fake or otherwise, don't use the most expected characters. Stuff like Spring man, decidueye, or Rex are boring as hell.

Show off Duck Hunt-tier surprises. That will get you some extra points for not being absurdly predictable.

Some guy made a Palutena leak that we debated for like two months.

 

[Hinata]

Some guy made a Palutena leak that we debated for like two months.

And then it turned out that the leak was fake, but it didn't matter anyway because Palutena did legitimately get in.

Man, Smash speculation season is ****in' wild.

 

[Delzethin]

Isn't that Decidueye's Pokken render?

Yes. The render, art, and entire idle animation seem to be straight rips from Pokkén.

If the leak was real, why would the Smash team need to rip assets for a playable character from a completely different spinoff? Wouldn't you figure they'd prioritize building their own model first?

 

[Chrono.]

I don't like Decidueye, so this leak is fake.

Obviously.

 

[N3ON]

And then it turned out that the leak was fake, but it didn't matter anyway because Palutena did legitimately get in.

Man, Smash speculation season is ****in' wild.

The apex of discussion even corresponded maybe-not-so-coincidentally to the PotD being the Palutena's Temple reveal through the Palutena statue.

Sakurai knows how to stir a pot.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

The apex of discussion even corresponded maybe-not-so-coincidentally to the PotD being the Palutena's Temple reveal through the Palutena statue.

Sakurai knows how to stir a pot.

And then he trolled us into thinking Paultena would just be a trophy only to reveal the trophy was actually Pseudo Paulutena

 

[Spatman]

it's too suspect that the game is showed only after the hand with the controller isn't showed anymore.
What was the point to show the controller? that was the person to actually control the game? so why not showing the hand using the controller AND at the same time the monitor where the game is played?

it's obviously a fake, and moreover the animation of Spring Man is too horrible to be real.
Leaving aside possible problems of proportion between him and Decidueye and the fact that the "leaker" played it safe showing 2 of the most supposed newcomers

 

[Fenriraga]

That ARMS stage could also be an Omega Variant for all we know.

Still not buying any of this but hey.

Also if I was a leaker, I honestly would have spent my time showing off the Inklings. Showing a bit of gameplay of them could potentially lead to a more believeable video.

 

[MrReyes96]

Man I want to believe this leak, it looks great

But I still think switch era characters like spring man and rex/pyra will be part of a switch dlc while characters like inkling and Elma are in the base roster

 

[NintenZ]

Man I want to believe this leak, it looks great

But I still think switch era characters like spring man and rex/pyra will be part of a switch dlc while characters like inkling and Elma are in the base roster

I don’t think either Spring Man or Rex/Pyra will be in the base game tbh due to project plan timing, they feel more like DLC picks while characters from the late Wii U era/current 3DS era seem more likely to be in the game. (Current as in Decidueye, Celica, etc.)

 

[Spatman]

oh and even the crowd on the stands has terrible animation.
It's a fake for sure, but if it was true, well, it would mean that this time Sakurai is doing a very awful product

 

[Deleted member]

There's been a sizable number of fake pictures or text leaks, but ran into an interesting one - clear photos, video footage that's pretty decent.

https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/413200996#p413200996 - Source thread

Video:

Edit: Video isn't loading? It's in the source post, really the most important thing here

Looks very detailed and clean, but clearly fake.
That animation for Spring Man is off.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I don't like Decidueye, so this leak is fake.

Obviously.

I'm not too fond of Decidueye either. With that said, seeing the GCN controller be affiliated with the fake screenshots was a huge giveaway that it was fake, since you can't even use that kind of controller on the Nintendo Switch.

It's still rather baffling that Nintendo even bothered to make the GCN controller adapter for the Wii U when it was only good for a single game. But on the other hand, wireless controllers do have their drawbacks.

 

[Hinata]

I'm not too fond of Decidueye either. With that said, seeing the GCN controller be affiliated with the fake screenshots was a huge giveaway that it was fake, since you can't even use that kind of controller on the Nintendo Switch.

It's still rather baffling that Nintendo even bothered to make the GCN controller adapter for the Wii U when it was only good for a single game. But on the other hand, wireless controllers do have their drawbacks.

Actually, the GameCube adapter does work with the Switch, but at the moment, it causes the Switch to recognize the GC controller as a standard Pro controller.

 

[N3ON]

I'm not too fond of Decidueye either. With that said, seeing the GCN controller be affiliated with the fake screenshots was a huge giveaway that it was fake, since you can't even use that kind of controller on the Nintendo Switch.

It's still rather baffling that Nintendo even bothered to make the GCN controller adapter for the Wii U when it was only good for a single game.

The GCN controller is accidentally compatible with the Switch, and it's been my favourite update so far.