Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Opossum]

No, I meant protagonist. Robin is the protagonist while Chrom is the main character. Robin is the one we experience the ride with, and are rooting for by the end, but the plot in which Robin is a part of, is mostly focused on Chrom.

We learn everything through Robin. He's the point of view of the story and how we see the story unfold. Chrom is the main character and not the main protagonist because the story puts the focus on him, but he is not the channel through which the story is experienced.

It's just like how in The Great Gatsby, Gatsby is the main character, but Nick is the protagonist. They're two different things.

I mean, so long as you recognize you're disagreeing with the company that actually made the game and character in question...

At the end of the day, Chrom is Awakening's main protagonist.

 

[Iridium]

You can also parry all needles from sheik automatically. Also Ken's parry sounds with it. pic.twitter.com/a6xBdjhwJE

— Dex (@TD_Dex) November 29, 2018

When you parry metal blade, it automatically parries all the hits and it sounds cool pic.twitter.com/PPaof7DHVj

— Dex (@TD_Dex) November 29, 2018

I like the cacophony. Seriously, I want to pull these off myself.

 

[beans]

So how are you enjoing your first-day on the Internet?
A lot more people than you’d expect want to **** anthropomorphised animals.

I'm well versed in my internets but it truly is more than I expected.
Like it went from "This will get a decent amount on fan art" to "a constant stream of lewd"

 

[Kuon]

It wasn't a serious post, to be honest. I'm just trying to guess every single pick no one else is so I can be the one people screencap and hailed as a leaker prophet.

Oh okay, I gotcha

 

[Deleted member]

I'm well versed in my internets but it truly is more than I expected.
Like it went from "This will get a decent amount on fan art" to "a constant stream of lewd"

How do you think Pokemon fans feel? lol

 

[Cosmic77]

Kind of regretting bringing up Prince Sidon.

Then again, the topic is basically guaranteed to shift into uncomfortable territory whenever Sidon is mentioned.

 

[lightdrago]

Prince Sidon should be the next Legend of Zelda rep and you can't change my mind.

 

[Pokechu]

I mean, so long as you recognize you're disagreeing with the company that actually made the game and character in question...

At the end of the day, Chrom is Awakening's main protagonist.

It's OK. We all have our own opinions, and both sides make sense. A lot of people believe that main character always is the protagonist, and the two terms are used interchangeably, but in some works it's possible for them to be different characters, because main character and protagonist don't mean exactly the same thing.

 

[Wyoming]

No matter who people consider to be the protagonist of Awakening, all three are in.

So this pleases all you nerds.

 

[Iridium]

Because I'm getting a bit fatigued right now, I'll post this one last Twitter clip for today:

Something that threw me off was that after using Up B, Bowser Jr's airdodge is just like it was in smash 4 pic.twitter.com/liC9DFVwcF

— Dex (@TD_Dex) November 29, 2018

Apparently, when Bowser Jr. uses his up-B, his airdodges act exactly like they do in Smash 4. I'll assume he probably got rushed a bit, or simply had no attention paid to everything he had or something.

 

[MSmariosonic]

Lucina is the main character of Awakening because she carried my whole squad

 

[beans]

Kind of regretting bringing up Prince Sidon.

Then again, the topic is basically guaranteed to shift into uncomfortable territory whenever Sidon is mentioned.

The logical end point of anything in the internet is either war or porn. If you havent seen it yet its because you stopped too earlier.

 

[Deleted member]

If I may veer the discussion to something else for a moment... do you guys feel like there is a hard ceiling for Assist Trophies?

I mean, I am going to advocate for a limited fighting mode for ATs as opposed to a fully fledged wave of ATs being promoted because it's pretty obvious that it's clear that we're not seeing any of them getting promoted.

 

[Cosmic77]

Because I'm getting a bit fatigued right now, I'll post this one last Twitter clip for today:

Something that threw me off was that after using Up B, Bowser Jr's airdodge is just like it was in smash 4 pic.twitter.com/liC9DFVwcF

— Dex (@TD_Dex) November 29, 2018

Apparently, when Bowser Jr. uses his up-B, his airdodges act exactly like they do in Smash 4. I'll assume he probably got rushed a bit, or simply had no attention paid to everything he had or something.

Even in Ultimate, Bowser Jr. is a rushed character.

 

[Deleted member]

If I may veer the discussion to something else for a moment... do you guys feel like there is a hard ceiling for Assist Trophies?

I mean, I am going to advocate for a limited fighting mode for ATs as opposed to a fully fledged wave of ATs being promoted because it's pretty obvious that it's clear that we're not seeing any of them getting promoted.

I saw some people suggest an idea of an assist mechanic using ATs similar to MVC1. That could be neat.

 

[Iridium]

Because I'm getting a bit fatigued right now, I'll post this one last Twitter clip for today:

Something that threw me off was that after using Up B, Bowser Jr's airdodge is just like it was in smash 4 pic.twitter.com/liC9DFVwcF

— Dex (@TD_Dex) November 29, 2018

Apparently, when Bowser Jr. uses his up-B, his airdodges act exactly like they do in Smash 4. I'll assume he probably got rushed a bit, or simply had no attention paid to everything he had or something.

Oh wait, one more thing. Uh, this.

So this happened pic.twitter.com/kBpYYSGCRe

— Dex (@TD_Dex) November 30, 2018

 

[DevaAshera]

Chrom isn't the main protagonist; he's the main character. He being the leader drives the story, but we see it all through Robin's eyes, and it all relates to them. Robin is the one we are with from start through end, as he is the character the player creates themselves. There's a difference between being the main character and the protagonist. It's Chrom's story, but Robin is the character we identify with and experience the adventure through. This is what makes Robin the protagonist and not Chrom.

Fire Emblem Awakening has 3 protagonists that drive the story, Chrom, Robin, and Lucina. They are all important enough that if one dies in Classic it's an instant game over.
Their importance to the overall story is also about equal.
It's a similar case as Binding Blade with Lyn, Eliwood, and Hector, Sacred Stones with Eirika and Ephraim, or Shadows of Valentia with Alm and Celica.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

The word you're looking for is deuteragonist.

according to tvtropes, Lucina fits deuteragonist

 

[Deleted member]

Oh wait, one more thing. Uh, this.

So this happened pic.twitter.com/kBpYYSGCRe

— Dex (@TD_Dex) November 30, 2018

DK has the same reaction I have to seeing this.

 

[Cosmic77]

If I may veer the discussion to something else for a moment... do you guys feel like there is a hard ceiling for Assist Trophies?

I mean, I am going to advocate for a limited fighting mode for ATs as opposed to a fully fledged wave of ATs being promoted because it's pretty obvious that it's clear that we're not seeing any of them getting promoted.

A new mode where you fight the ATs who can be attacked is possible, but I'm not expecting anything better than that.

For now, I'll just assume that all ATs will stay ATs moving forward in Ultimate.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

No, I meant protagonist. Robin is the protagonist while Chrom is the main character. Robin is the one we experience the ride with, and are rooting for by the end, but the plot in which Robin is a part of, is mostly focused on Chrom.

We learn everything through Robin. He's the point of view of the story and how we see the story unfold. Chrom is the main character and not the main protagonist because the story puts the focus on him, but he is not the channel through which the story is experienced.

It's just like how in The Great Gatsby, Gatsby is the main character, but Nick is the protagonist. They're two different things.

Or Ishmael and Ahab! Chrom is just like Ahab.

 

[beans]

Oh wait, one more thing. Uh, this.

So this happened pic.twitter.com/kBpYYSGCRe

— Dex (@TD_Dex) November 30, 2018

The ground is being responsible and not bringing a kid to Dracula's castle
The ground is not getting mind controlled to bring Dracula back

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Oh wait, one more thing. Uh, this.

So this happened pic.twitter.com/kBpYYSGCRe

— Dex (@TD_Dex) November 30, 2018

Yeah I can see why there's going to be a day one patch but there's something I'm concerned about with patches, I really hope that they don't kill old replays like in the last game.

 

[Opossum]

Fire Emblem Awakening has 3 protagonists that drive the story, Chrom, Robin, and Lucina. They are all important enough that if one dies in Classic it's an instant game over.
Their importance to the overall story is also about equal.
It's a similar case as Binding Blade with Lyn, Eliwood, and Hector, Sacred Stones with Eirika and Ephraim, or Shadows of Valentia with Alm and Celica.

Lucina is definitely not a main protagonist. She's definitely secondary. The game continues as if nothing happened after her "death" so she doesn't prompt a game over. She's also never a mandatory deployment due to joining in-between chapters. You can actually beat the game without ever using her.

 

[Deleted member]

The ground is being responsible and not bringing a kid to Dracula's castle
The ground is not getting mind controlled to bring Dracula back

To be fair Maria clearly has the strength to ****ing decimate Dracula.

 

[Deleted member]

A protagonist is the main driving force of rhe story, not the POV character, otherwise, Mark and what's-his-name from Mystery of the Emblem are protagonists :^)

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

*puts up megaphone*
Attention all Animal Crossing fans, The Animal Crossing board in Nintenzone has opened, I repeat, The animal crossing board in Nintenzone has opened, That is all

 

[dezeray112]

Everyone, if you could choose the 2nd Bandai Namco Rep from the following list. Which character would it be?

Tekken Series
Heihachi Mishima
Jin Kazama

Tales Series
Lloyd Irving
Yuri Lowell

Soul Calibur Series
Nightmare
Sophitia

Other Namco Series
Agumon
DigDug
Klonoa

Tekken - Heihachi Mishima
Tales - Lloyd Irving
SoulCalibur - Sophitia

 

[beans]

To be fair Maria clearly has the strength to ****ing decimate Dracula.

A kid is still a kid. If I saw kid casting magic missiles like a pro I still wouldnt let them fight the Lord of Darkness.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Fictional love can be disgusting too, espically when a human is shipped with an anthromorphic animal.

not if done right

You mean M!Robin? Hes already in the game

Robin will only be his own wife or bang the rest of Chrom’s family

"Roy, I... love you. You're so beautiful, even your shell looks so manly in pink."

"Me too, your red hair is delicious and good in itself, should we get married?"

And then Roy and Roy got married, the end

don't kill me, I had to write this ****

Roys Our Boys

All this Roy talk and you guys are missing the real subliminal meaning behind the win screen:
View attachment 180741
Made this piece of trash in 5 minutes, kill me

I won’t kill you

Too bad she died.

not confirmed, but it’s highly likely she died (though if lucky she joined the Donbot or just left with no memories)...no matter what she and others had it better than Casey Jones

Spoiler: Spoilers

Hey, Mario. You ever heard of the Super Crown?!
Peach, help! Bowser's-a going to do things to me!
Don't care, bye,

They take turns with the crown

Lucina is the main character of Awakening because she carried my whole squad

Obviously (she wouldn’t have been revealed for Smash 4 first otherwise)

Oh wait, one more thing. Uh, this.

So this happened pic.twitter.com/kBpYYSGCRe

— Dex (@TD_Dex) November 30, 2018

DK is magical

 

[Deleted member]

A new mode where you fight the ATs who can be attacked is possible, but I'm not expecting anything better than that.

For now, I'll just assume that all ATs will stay ATs moving forward in Ultimate.

The mode I was imagining was that you play as certain ATs, who have some abilities and attacks added and behave as if they were lifted straight out of the original Super Smash Bros. Not Melee or Brawl; the N64 game. The ATs would be limited to the ATs who already were given attack and defensive measures in Ultimate, meaning they just need a few basic additions to their moves, and that's it. No Final Smashes, no fancy skills like "wave dashing" or "dash stalling". Nothing too fancy or time-consuming.

Most people whom I've explained this to reacted to this with disappointment, but I explained that this is the most likely outcome, and I explained that this is better than nothing. Considering I don't see any ATs being promoted at all, I'd rather see this type of mode added that allows for fans to get a chance to play a version of the original Super Smash Bros. to coincide with the 20th anniversary of the original game.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Lucina is definitely not a main protagonist. She's definitely secondary. The game continues as if nothing happened after her "death" so she doesn't prompt a game over. She's also never a mandatory deployment due to joining in-between chapters. You can actually beat the game without ever using her.

Only if you're a heartless criminal.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Oh something that I noticed

Spoiler

in world of light true final boss both galeem and Dharkon they can hurt each other

 

[Deleted member]

A kid is still a kid. If I saw kid casting magic missiles like a pro I still wouldnt let them fight the Lord of Darkness.

I’d let that ****** die.

 

[Aerospherology]

https://pastebin.com/NCi8Af0N (SPOILER: SPIRITS LIST)
Another thing helping Poochy's chances.
Outside of the fact he doesn't have a spirit, Crafted Yoshi does, and it was added very late into development it seems. (it's the 4th one from the bottom of the list).

He has a Spirit on the website...

 

[Opossum]

Only if you're a heartless criminal.

As a disclaimer, I definitely mean no ill will towards Lucina when I say she isn't a main lord lol. I love her as a character, and she's probably in my top twenty-five Fire Emblem characters over all.

 

[staindgrey]

I mean, so long as you recognize you're disagreeing with the company that actually made the game and character in question...

At the end of the day, Chrom is Awakening's main protagonist.

You guys are arguing semantics.

From a literary perspective and the actual definitions of each role within Awakening's story, Pokechu is right. But you're right in that you have a direct quote from Nintendo. This doesn't mean Nintendo chose that wording with full knowledge of the difference between a main character and a protagonist in which the perspective of the player/reader is different than that of the story's main character.


So. You're both right. Whatever. I'm just gonna keep calling Robin "she" to support my own canon.

 

[Flyboy]

The mode I was imagining was that you play as certain ATs, who have some abilities and attacks added and behave as if they were lifted straight out of the original Super Smash Bros. Not Melee or Brawl; the N64 game. The ATs would be limited to the ATs who already were given attack and defensive measures in Ultimate, meaning they just need a few basic additions to their moves, and that's it. No Final Smashes, no fancy skills like "wave dashing" or "dash stalling". Nothing too fancy or time-consuming.

Most people whom I've explained this to reacted to this with disappointment, but I explained that this is the most likely outcome, and I explained that this is better than nothing.

Funnily enough, I had an idea they'd do this too. Just something basic, like how the Wireframes were in the Melee debug menu. Sounds fun.

 

[Paperchampion23]

You can also parry all needles from sheik automatically. Also Ken's parry sounds with it. pic.twitter.com/a6xBdjhwJE

— Dex (@TD_Dex) November 29, 2018

When you parry metal blade, it automatically parries all the hits and it sounds cool pic.twitter.com/PPaof7DHVj

— Dex (@TD_Dex) November 29, 2018

I like the cacophony. Seriously, I want to pull these off myself.

Seriously, we are going to get Street fighter 3 levels of videos with this. This is probably my favorite subtle addition to Ultimate and i havent even played the game yet

 

[Deleted member]

The mode I was imagining was that you play as certain ATs, who have some abilities and attacks added and behave as if they were lifted straight out of the original Super Smash Bros. Not Melee or Brawl; the N64 game. The ATs would be limited to the ATs who already were given attack and defensive measures in Ultimate, meaning they just need a few basic additions to their moves, and that's it. No Final Smashes, no fancy skills like "wave dashing" or "dash stalling". Nothing too fancy or time-consuming.

Most people whom I've explained this to reacted to this with disappointment, but I explained that this is the most likely outcome, and I explained that this is better than nothing.

This is an interesting idea. I wonder how much dev time it would actually take though.