Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Yeah no, I uh
No.

Here, let me try at 29 characters:

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Donkey Kong
6. Diddy Kong
7. King K Rool
8. Link
9. Zelda
10. Shiek
11. Ganondorf
12. Samus
13. Ridley
14. Sylux
15. Kirby
16. Meta Knight
17. King Dedede
18. Marth
19. Lyn
20. Chrom
21. Pikachu
22. Mewtwo
23. Lucario
24. Greninja
25. Fox
26. Falco
27. Rex & Pyra
28. Inklings
29. Captian Falcon

How's that?

Metroid as a whole is incredibly unpopular in Japan.

That's sad.

 

[Admiral Pit]

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I'm scared...yet curious.

My mentally says it wants an instant nerf somehow, or a very quick nerf. I can't really have more broken MK flashbacks after Brawl...

 

[RyuhoFox]

I wonder. Is NT a good game to jump into that fighting series with?

It's a fairly different beast from the first two honestly due to being more focused on being a tag team arcade game than the one v one RPG fighting game like the first two are focused on.
The first two are more focused on gaining levels and equipment and moves and customizing them while NT each character has some things that can be customized but otherwise are more static in their roles as they are more designed to provide teams with a specific gimmick.

The downsides for the first two in that it's highly unbalanced and shallow a lot of the time and most characters have one set up that is considered viable anyway, making a lot of its customization kind of moot a lot of the time on top of equipment just being taken out entirely for actual multiplayer stuff. Also some characters favor having a gimmick that doesn't actually make sense for how the game plays. Firion for example is heavily designed around ground combat in a game where players can jump and stay in the air near infinitely, the character's gimmick runs counter to how the game works and thus ends up struggling. It's got a lot of focus on single player stuff like a bigger story mode, arcade mode, and dungeons and stuff. Also due to how much invincibility dodges get in the game high level matches can become dodge fests.

NT designed as a 3v3 has the issues of lacking much of the customization and being more team multiplayer focused. It's generally better balanced but the story mode is nowhere near as extensive as previous games while kind of demanding you needing others to get the most out of it. Think it's been getting some more single player stuff lately but otherwise is kind of light on single player content. Also lost its super moves due to its more arcadey focus. Also is a heavier feeling game by design. Each character can only dash around in the air so long before needing to hit the ground again to recover stamina for it which makes it so you need to plan your approach more.

Each has certain strengths depending on whether at the end of the day you prefer single player content and matches or multiplayer and team matches. Dissidia 012 is a good one to get for your more casual story driven fun, NT for more balanced arcade team fights.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Camilla is honestly a pretty great character who's just written very poorly and has stuff blatantly missing. I can definitely see the appeal of a finished Camilla.

Besides, she isn't even the worst written Royal.

That one is Ryoma, who's writing is so bad it ruins the theme of his own game and the point of the choice made at the beginning.

 

[Idon]

It's a fairly different beast from the first two honestly due to being more focused on being a tag team arcade game than the one v one RPG fighting game like the first two are focused on.
The first two are more focused on gaining levels and equipment and moves and customizing them while NT each character has some things that can be customized but otherwise are more static in their roles as they are more designed to provide teams with a specific gimmick.

The downsides for the first two in that it's highly unbalanced and shallow a lot of the time and most characters have one set up that is considered viable anyway, making a lot of its customization kind of moot a lot of the time on top of equipment just being taken out entirely for actual multiplayer stuff. Also some characters favor having a gimmick that doesn't actually make sense for how the game plays. Firion for example is heavily designed around ground combat in a game where players can jump and stay in the air near infinitely, the character's gimmick runs counter to how the game works and thus ends up struggling. It's got a lot of focus on single player stuff like a bigger story mode, arcade mode, and dungeons and stuff. Also due to how much invincibility dodges get in the game high level matches can become dodge fests.

NT designed as a 3v3 has the issues of lacking much of the customization and being more team multiplayer focused. It's generally better balanced but the story mode is nowhere near as extensive as previous games while kind of demanding you needing others to get the most out of it. Think it's been getting some more single player stuff lately but otherwise is kind of light on single player content. Also lost its super moves due to its more arcadey focus. Also is a heavier feeling game by design. Each character can only dash around in the air so long before needing to hit the ground again to recover stamina for it which makes it so you need to plan your approach more.

Each has certain strengths depending on whether at the end of the day you prefer single player content and matches or multiplayer and team matches. Dissidia 012 is a good one to get for your more casual story driven fun, NT for more balanced arcade team fights.

Yeah but NT has playable Ramza so 10/10 best FF game of all time.

 

[Noipoi]

7 DAYS LEFT
(One week!)

Spoiler: Bonus Note!

The original idea was to have Fox and Krystal in swimsuits striking sexy poses while Noipoi cowered in the corner, frantically repeating to himself-
"I'm not a furry, I'm not a furry, I'm not a furry..."

However, that idea was a little too risque for this site. So I made a "Can't let you do that, Star Fox!" reference instead

 

[kirbsmash]

Camilla is honestly a pretty great character who's just written very poorly and has stuff blatantly missing. I can definitely see the appeal of a finished Camilla.

Besides, she isn't even the worst written Royal.

That one is Ryoma, who's writing is so bad it ruins the theme of his own game and the point of the choice made at the beginning.

You meant Larry the lobster?

 

[Deleted member]

Camilla is honestly a pretty great character who's just written very poorly and has stuff blatantly missing. I can definitely see the appeal of a finished Camilla.

Besides, she isn't even the worst written Royal.

That one is Ryoma, who's writing is so bad it ruins the theme of his own game and the point of the choice made at the beginning.

While I don't like Ryoma by any means, I wouldn't call him the worst.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Yeah but NT has playable Ramza so 10/10 best FF game of all time.

Haha he is super fun too as a support character. Being able to throw rocks is so silly yet effective and being able to buff yourself for an upgraded moveset and buff your whole team as well makes for a very interesting character imo.

 

[Zinith]

7 DAYS LEFT
(One week!)

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Spoiler: Bonus Note!

The original idea was to have Fox and Krystal in swimsuits striking sexy poses while Noipoi cowered in the corner, frantically repeating to himself-
"I'm not a furry, I'm not a furry, I'm not a furry..."

However, that idea was a little too risque for this site. So I made a "Can't let you do that, Star Fox!" reference instead

Spoiler

I don't think that would've been too risque...

But that's just me

 

[Opossum]

Here, let me try at 29 characters:

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Donkey Kong
6. Diddy Kong
7. King K Rool
8. Link
9. Zelda
10. Shiek
11. Ganondorf
12. Samus
13. Ridley
14. Sylux
15. Kirby
16. Meta Knight
17. King Dedede
18. Marth
19. Lyn
20. Chrom
21. Pikachu
22. Mewtwo
23. Lucario
24. Greninja
25. Fox
26. Falco
27. Rex & Pyra
28. Inklings
29. Captian Falcon

How's that?

That's sad.

For a roster of that size, I think Mario, Donkey Kong, Fire Emblem, Star Fox, Kirby, Pokémon, and Splatoon are all good. But I'd definitely question Sylux and maybe even Sheik over characters like Little Mac, Pit (hell, Palutena, even), Isabelle, Olimar, Yoshi, and R.O.B., all of whom I think would make a ton more sense.

Then again a sub-thirty roster is hard.

 

[Idon]

Haha he is super fun too as a support character. Being able to throw rocks is so silly yet effective and being able to buff yourself for an upgraded moveset and buff your whole team as well makes for a very interesting character imo.

Actual Dissidia NT Ramza gameplay right here.

 

[FreeFox]

7 DAYS LEFT
(One week!)

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Spoiler: Bonus Note!

The original idea was to have Fox and Krystal in swimsuits striking sexy poses while Noipoi cowered in the corner, frantically repeating to himself-
"I'm not a furry, I'm not a furry, I'm not a furry..."

However, that idea was a little too risque for this site. So I made a "Can't let you do that, Star Fox!" reference instead

Oh, dont worry! If you re having second thoughts about using your discarded idea, you can use Zinith´s controversial avvy instead when you get to Yoshi´s turn.

 

[Deleted member]

You know, I would be cool with seeing Sakurai develop a Shonen Jump fighting game like Smash. It'd be dope.

 

[Kuon]

@Royalty1702
*sees Japan's favorite Nintendo character list*
*Camillia, Robin, and Corrin over Ike*
*Freaking Sans made the list*
*Absolutely no Metroid is present*
Man, Japan has some garbage taste.

I think Japan has amazing tastes

 

[Zinith]

Oh, dont worry! If you re having second thoughts about using your discarded idea, you can use Zinith´s controversial avvy instead when you get to Yoshi´s turn.

I can always provide that image for reference

 

[Deleted member]

I think Japan has amazing tastes

I dunno. How can you not like Metroid?

Well, I mean, you can't, but I don't see how you couldn't.

 

[osby]

Anime is such a mixed bag for me.

On the one hand it's grounds for some of the most mature and creative storytelling I've found.
On the other hand it's home to some super infuriating and off-putting cliches.

So just like books, movies, video games, TV series, cartoons and comic books?

 

[RyuhoFox]

I think Japan has amazing tastes

Im still just incredulous that Sans is on the list at all. That there were enough people who were asked that seriously picked him and that the people who ran the poll counted him at all

 

[Kuon]

Here, let me try at 29 characters:

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Donkey Kong
6. Diddy Kong
7. King K Rool
8. Link
9. Zelda
10. Shiek
11. Ganondorf
12. Samus
13. Ridley
14. Sylux
15. Kirby
16. Meta Knight
17. King Dedede
18. Marth
19. Lyn
20. Chrom
21. Pikachu
22. Mewtwo
23. Lucario
24. Greninja
25. Fox
26. Falco
27. Rex & Pyra
28. Inklings
29. Captian Falcon

How's that?

That's sad.

It's not sad, just different. Also, I think Animal Crossing should have some representation on that list, personally

 

[Idon]

So just like books, movies, video games, TV series, cartoons and comic books?

Fictional media sucks!
Why don't you all read history books and watch documentaries like a genius like me?

 

[KarneraMythos]

So just like books, movies, video games, TV series, cartoons and comic books?

Yeah, I don't get it either. It's kinda like looking at sushi through American lenses, scratching your head in confusion and going, "This is a weird looking cheese burger. It has meat sandwiched in and each one is different, but what's with all the weird condiments some of them have?"

It's just a medium, like anything else with "mature" and "creative" storytelling, as well as "infuriating" and "off-putting cliches."

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Getting closer to release...
You know, I have a specific way of knowing that December is coming up...



That is, my sleep schedule goes out the window and fricking ded. Lol

 

[Deleted member]

So just like books, movies, video games, TV series, cartoons and comic books?

But Anime is the worst, because weebs are the best punching bags in the world son. /s obiviously.

It's not sad, just different. Also, I think Animal Crossing should have some representation on that list, personally

I know it's different, but I don't why someone would put Fire Emblem of all things above Metroid other than bias.

 

[Kuon]

I dunno. How can you not like Metroid?

Well, I mean, you can't, but I don't see how you couldn't.

I don't like Metroid, and never have, and I know people who don't like Metroid either. Everyone has different tastes.

 

[T3Z3R1]

I can always provide that image for reference

wait don't ****ing tell me that you want him to draw

Spoiler: some weird ****

some yoshi vore?

 

[Kuon]

But Anime is the worst, because weebs are the best punching bags in the world son. /s obiviously.

I know it's different, but I don't why someone would put Fire Emblem of all things above Metroid other than bias.

They'd put Fire Emblem above Metroid because it's more popular in Japan than Metroid. Japan loves their anime and anime-style games, and FE has that anime look to it, whereas Metroid does not

 

[Zinith]

wait don't ****ing tell me that you want him to draw

Spoiler: some weird ****

some yoshi vore?

Hehehe, I don't blame you for thinking that, but no

 

[Kuon]

Im still just incredulous that Sans is on the list at all. That there were enough people who were asked that seriously picked him and that the people who ran the poll counted him at all

Yeah I don't quite get that either. Sans just seems so out there compared to the rest of the list. But I guess Japan really likes Undertale

 

[osby]

I dunno. How can you not like Metroid?

Well, I mean, you can't, but I don't see how you couldn't.

If you like character centric stories, Metroid doesn't have much to offer.

Character writing is a mixed bag in FE, but with so many characters, there's a good chance you'll find a few you like.

Also, not everyone likes Metroidvanias or FPSs.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't like Metroid, and never have, and I know people who don't like Metroid either. Everyone has different tastes.

They'd put Fire Emblem above Metroid because it's more popular in Japan than Metroid. Japan loves their anime and anime-style games, and FE has that anime look to it, whereas Metroid does not

I feel like I crossed some sort of line with you....
Hey look, I just wished more people like Metroid, but hey. What can you do?

 

[Opossum]

But Anime is the worst, because weebs are the best punching bags in the world son. /s obiviously.

I know it's different, but I don't why someone would put Fire Emblem of all things above Metroid other than bias.

Music can make or break a game for me. Metroid music often doesn't do it for me, for one reason or another.

That and I find Fire Emblem to be legitimately more fun.

 

[Kuon]

I feel like I crossed some sort of line with you....
Hey look, I just wished more people like Metroid, but hey. What can you do?

I don't think you crossed a line with me. I was just saying how I felt about Metroid, that's all. You really like it, and that's cool. I don't like it, and that's fine too. And there's not much we can do. People will like what they want to like, and we just have to accept that they may have differences in opinions

 

[Deleted member]

Yo, I can't wait for Jacksepticeye to reveal who's gonna be the Square rep @ The Game Awards for DLC.

Jokes aside, good lord this event really is shaping up huh. Nioh 2 I guess is gonna make an announcement for Switch alongside PC and PS4. The more teases we get, the more I feel there is a good possible window for Smash DLC tease/announcements.

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[Deleted member]

Music can make or break a game for me. Metroid music often doesn't do it for me, for one reason or another.

That and I find Fire Emblem to be legitimately more fun.

That's fine. I just hate seeing Metroid get shafted in terms of the spotlight. But hopefully Prime 4 will increase people's awareness of the series. Y'know, provided Nintendo actually markets the game.

As for Fire Emblem, I couldn't get into any of the games aside from Tellius and Blazing Sword.

 

[Idon]

Music can make or break a game for me. Metroid music often doesn't do it for me, for one reason or another.

That and I find Fire Emblem to be legitimately more fun.

Well yeah, it's more supposed to be ambient than anything else.
Lots of radio static, haunting wails, dragged out notes, that kinda stuff.
****'s spooky.

 

[Deleted member]

Well yeah, it's more ambient than anything else.
Lots of radio static, haunting wails, dragged out notes, that kinda stuff.
****'s spooky.

Hey, Prime has a dope soundtrack. I will fite u on this, m8.

 

[Blargg888]

Say goodbye to Waluigi...

...and say hello to Walusonic!


Imagine if Sonic's legs were always like this.

 

[osby]

That's fine. I just hate seeing Metroid get shafted in terms of the spotlight. But hopefully Prime 4 will increase people's awareness of the series. Y'know, provided Nintendo actually markets the game.

As for Fire Emblem, I couldn't get into any of the games aside from Tellius and Blazing Sword.

Metroid could have get more spotlight, if, you know, there was a game to market.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

My icon is updated for Christmas...smash releases soon...yup, it's getting close.

So goodnight y'all, santa pacman will watch over you guys, so be nice
Also

Say goodbye to Waluigi...
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...and say hello to Walusonic!


Imagine if Sonic's legs were always like this.

Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)