Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Yes, but you didn't say why.

Imagine Shulk Side Tilt but with the range of his FSmash and the frame data of Ganon's Jab.

 

[Eru13]

All of you hate this and prefer the other list? why?
It has banjo in it. I’m just saying why?

Because Banjo is the only hype thing in it...
All the rest are just super side characters in games which have already enough reps in smash

 

[PsySmasher]

All of you hate this and prefer the other list? why?
It has banjo in it. I’m just saying why?

Banjo isn't enough to carry the rest of the list for me.

I'm an FE and Pokemon fan, so that in itself wins it for me.
A Granblue character would also make me happy.
Slime is the only DQ rep I'd be OK with.
The only one I don't want is Steve, but I can get over that w/ everything else.

 

[Pakky]

To be absolutely frank, I would prefer Steve over Banjo

That's the messed up thing to me after a small discussion on here a while back. Steve, has had a bigger impact of gaming than Banjo.

Everything Banjo is can be attributed the Mario the same goes for Spyro

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Imagine Shulk Side Tilt but with the range of his FSmash and the frame data of Ganon's Jab.

And RIDICULOUS priority, don't forget that

 

[shadowjosh]

I've seen people suggest that maybe we'll get Kirby DLC as a thank you to Sakurai, but the two most often asked for characters are from games he didn't have anything to do with. Adeline and Bandana Waddle Dee aren't "his kirby", and the Kirby games he worked on tends to dominate Kirby's representation in Smash.

Like, even with tons of new Kirby games lately...his new stages in 4 were a Game Boy Dream Land stage and a Kirby Super Star stage. I think any supposed Sakurai bias(Which I don't really believe in regarding characters) would make Kirby DLC less likely, not more.

Spoiler: WoL spoiler

Unless it was Marx, but he's a boss...so no.

 

[FreeFox]

I may be missing something but why do people think Nintendo is going to get one newcomer? Didnt half the the dlc roster last time were Nintendo characters? Where does this idea of mostly third party dlc come from?

 

[TheCJBrine]

Lmao. Toriyama is literally the easiest part to work with, the Problem is just how would the deal be made with price cut etc.

But really. Toriyama Ain't the issue. The composer is.

Ah okay then; I just saw it said that he was a stickler, and seeing that no DQ characters other than Slime/side-characters were in the Mario crossovers I assumed it was true, but tbh I personally know nothing about what goes on in the deals and such and I've only seen discussions and examples of the crossovers.

I still see it as less-likely because of the composer and having to get all 3 studios on board, and SE being stingy as people say.

 

[Zeox]

I've seen people suggest that maybe we'll get Kirby DLC as a thank you to Sakurai, but the two most often asked for characters are from games he didn't have anything to do with. Adeline and Bandana Waddle Dee aren't "his kirby", and the Kirby games he worked on tends to dominate Kirby's representation in Smash.

Like, even with tons of new Kirby games lately...his new stages in 4 were a Game Boy Dream Land stage and a Kirby Super Star stage. I think any supposed Sakurai bias(Which I don't really believe in regarding characters) would make Kirby DLC less likely, not more.

Spoiler: WoL spoiler

Unless it was Marx, but he's a boss...so no.

Whispy Woods confirmed!

 

[Pyra]

In this case, it's more him, who's exaggerating how much some dislike it.

Everyone is always exaggerating.
You're all pretty bad about it haha
Every single one of you

All of you.

 

[osby]

I may be missing something but why do people think Nintendo is going to get one newcomer? Didnt half the the dlc roster last time were Nintendo characters? Where does this idea of mostly third party dlc come from?

Newcomers were mostly third parties. That's something.

 

[Deleted member]

In that case, here are my DLC predictions. Trying to take a definitive stance on what each slot could be. My opinions can change though.
1. Sephiroth
In my opinion, I feel like he’s the most likely SE rep. He’s a ridiculously iconic character, the sword wouldn’t be a big issue if you just made it the same size as in the original game. Square seems tor prefer their guest characters being DLC which might explain the lack of square content in the base game (there isn’t even a BOXBOY spirit). Sephy being DLC could mean more FF content as DLC would make it easier for Nintendo to share profits with Square. Just what I think.
2. Travis
Definitely pretty biased on this one haha. But I do think Travis has a shot. We know that Sakurai has at least considered Travis before, although him laughingly dismissing it probably sent a strong case. Anyways, with Travis strikes again right around the corner, he could be a promotional character for that game. Nintendo at least considered the game important enough to show at the January Switch conference, and have it shown it in multiple directs so they have a clear interest in promoting it. It could happen.
3. Banjo
You might ask why banjo over Steve, but with some recent things some insider have said, I’m leaning toward the mine craft content being spirits/a boss/a stage alongside another Microsoft character. Of these characters, Banjo just seems to make the most sense, if Nintendo is aiming for nostalgia. With Nintendo having a hand, I doubt it’ll be master chief either.
4. Heihachi
I feel it’s pretty likely Namco is getting a DLC pick, and within Namco’s arsenal, I feel Heihachi is the most likely. With Akira in as an assist, I find it a bit odd Heihachi isn’t in the game at all. Tekken is Namco’s most successful videogame franchise, and Heihachi is pretty popular. He can be adapted to 2d gameplay with some effort, but I’ll concede that it’s definitely an obstacle. This could also go to Lloyd, but I’m picking Heihachi to be definitive.
5. Doomguy
Another pretty biased pick, but Bethesda and Nintendo seems to have a pretty decent relationship these days. One can not deny Doom’s influence, to the point where Sakurai even acknowledged John Caramck in an interview once. I see Doomguy as the most likely Bethesda character due to his history and popularity, but it could also be Vault Boy or Dragonborn. Guns might be an issue, but Doomguy’s guns aren’t super realistic so they might be able to get away with it.

 

[SvartWolf]

Im not against banjo... but certainly teh prospect of having him doesn't specially excites me.

This is coming from someone who actually played Banjo kazooie back in teh day and actually enjoyed teh games.

The thing is.. that ... i would be way more excited for a new banjo game (hopefully non windows 10 exclusive) than banjo in smash.

and everything that banjo have done.. mario have already done it, (and sometimes better)


I actually believe that i would be more excited for the Banjo stage, the obligatory vs gruntilda remix and the potential of Gruntilda taunts akin to codecs than banjo...

You know what? screw banjo, Gruntilda for smash!

 

[Deleted member]

Let's just pretend it's the early 2000s here in this thread from now on

I am looking forward to the next Crash games on PS2, Naughty Dog will probably nail them!

Fox is finally working on a full Fantastic Four movie! MAN.,.It would bring tears to see the relationship between Alicia Masters and Ben Grimm on the big screen! I’m... too hyped!

And i wonder when the next Godzilla movie will release now that Final Wars finally released! Maybe we could get Jet Jaguar back next year!

I don’t have hope for the new Metroid games on Gamecube... Why make the franchise a 1st person shooter!? That will end up bad for god’s sake!!! That new game for GBA (Fusion, i think) will probably be better tbh.

 

[PsySmasher]

I may be missing something but why do people think Nintendo is going to get one newcomer? Didnt half the the dlc roster last time were Nintendo characters? Where does this idea of mostly third party dlc come from?

Only one of the four newcomers in Smash 4 DLC was from Nintendo (). So people are expecting it to follow the same pattern.

The problem w/ that now is NINTENDO is choosing the characters, not just Sakurai. So I doubt they'd only put 1 of their characters in.

 

[Knight Dude]

I've seen people suggest that maybe we'll get Kirby DLC as a thank you to Sakurai, but the two most often asked for characters are from games he didn't have anything to do with. Adeline and Bandana Waddle Dee aren't "his kirby", and the Kirby games he worked on tends to dominate Kirby's representation in Smash.

Like, even with tons of new Kirby games lately...his new stages in 4 were a Game Boy Dream Land stage and a Kirby Super Star stage. I think any supposed Sakurai bias(Which I don't really believe in regarding characters) would make Kirby DLC less likely, not more.

Spoiler: WoL spoiler

Unless it was Marx, but he's a boss...so no.

Wasn't Adeline Kirby 64? If that's the case, Sakurai was probably still on the series. He left after Air Ride. Bandanna Dee was in Super Star, but by the time he was actually important, Sakurai was in his own company for a long time.

Kirby's got a lot of fun characters in it, so almost everyone would be fun to use I think. But Daroach or B. Dee would be who I'd pick.

Everyone is always exaggerating.
You're all pretty bad about it haha
Every single one of you

All of you.

Don't tell me what I do fool.

 

[Guynamednelson]

and the Kirby games he worked on tends to dominate Kirby's representation in Smash.

They don't dominate enough to prevent Kirby having the Ultra Sword two games in a row.

 

[Nekoo]

Ah okay then; I just saw it said that he was a stickler, and seeing that no DQ characters other than Slime/side-characters were in the Mario crossovers I assumed it was true, but tbh I personally know nothing about what goes on in the deals and such and I've only seen discussions and examples of the crossovers.

I still see it as less-likely because of the composer and having to get all 3 studios on board, and SE being stingy as people say.

Not really Toriyama is a character designer he didn't write the Characters. If Heroes never appears in DQ Crossovers etc it's because they're a non-entities and parallel to the players. SE doesn't want to give them a "personality" Except for literally Erdrick and some rare heroes.

However for set party members/monsters that something else since they have a useable personality and such.

Beside that reasons of "he's stingy" is a backwards logic when he allow to use others Characters don't you think?

 

[Pyra]

Don't tell me what I do fool.

The ones that exaggerate the most are the ones who deny it.

They don't dominate enough to prevent Kirby having the Ultra Sword two games in a row.

It's just bigboi triforce slash
all the dlc newcomers will probably have triforce slash or critical hit

Ultimate Triforce Slash vs Critical Hit coming soon.

 

[monadoboy]

Imagine Shulk Side Tilt but with the range of his FSmash and the frame data of Ganon's Jab.

Does it also eat projectiles?

That's scary

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Banjo's an outdated character... literally. He spawns from two games that feel outdated to play, while staring in a generally mixed game that people don't like, and honestly feels like a "90s" character.

Steve, meanwhile, feels like his game has more of an impact on the gaming industry, making the way for a ton of indie games. Not to mention him appearing in Smash would draw in a much younger audience, which can boost sales.

 

[Pyra]

Banjo's an outdated character... literally. He spawns from two games that feel outdated to play, while staring in a generally mixed game that people don't like, and honestly feels like a "90s" character.

Steve, meanwhile, feels like his game has more of an impact on the gaming industry, making the way for a ton of indie games. Not to mention him appearing in Smash would draw in a much younger audience, which can boost sales.

To be absolutely frank, I would prefer Steve over Banjo

Steve > Banjo

hey so what's your stance on banjo vs steve

 

[The DanMan051]

I may be missing something but why do people think Nintendo is going to get one newcomer? Didnt half the the dlc roster last time were Nintendo characters? Where does this idea of mostly third party dlc come from?

3 of Smash 4's DLC characters were returning veterans.

Of the all-new characters, Corrin was the only 1st party pick with both them and Bayonetta being chosen due to marketing. Cloud and Ryu were major 3rd party characters already.

 

[ClaTheBae]

He spawns from two games that feel outdated to play

In what way do Banjo one and two feel outdated? I'll admit I dislike the level design of Tooie but the games feel fine in terms of mechanics and controls,
What about them is outdated?

 

[Opossum]

All of you hate this and prefer the other list? why?
It has banjo in it. I’m just saying why?

I'm a big fan of both Fire Emblem and Pokémon, so those additions are inherently exciting to me. I think Steve could be incredibly fun and is among the biggest names not yet in. Granblue getting in is weird, but Katalina's power set kinda reminds me of Weiss so she's nifty. I don't want to really support Dragon Quest's composer, but Slime is at least cute.

Meanwhile, I'm not a Metroid fan so Sylux would bore me. Banjo also does nothing for me. I have no nostalgia for him and, while the music, his design, and Grunty are all great, I think Steve would be a lot better from a gameplay perspective and a gaming icon perspective. Porky and Adeleine are my preferred choices for new EarthBound and Kirby characters, but that's like being the world's heaviest feather. And I don't even remember who the fifth one was so I'll edit it in lol. Edit: Poochy! Honestly, any non-Shy Guy Yoshi addition would feel really underwhelming to me. Mainly because Yoshi still feels like a Mario character to me so having any more "Yoshi characters" comes off as forced. I love Shy Guys though haha.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

hey so what's your stance on banjo vs steve

10/10

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

In that case, here are my DLC predictions. Trying to take a definitive stance on what each slot could be. My opinions can change though.
1. Sephiroth
In my opinion, I feel like he’s the most likely SE rep. He’s a ridiculously iconic character, the sword wouldn’t be a big issue if you just made it the same size as in the original game. Square seems tor prefer their guest characters being DLC which might explain the lack of square content in the base game (there isn’t even a BOXBOY spirit). Sephy being DLC could mean more FF content as DLC would make it easier for Nintendo to share profits with Square. Just what I think.
2. Travis
Definitely pretty biased on this one haha. But I do think Travis has a shot. We know that Sakurai has at least considered Travis before, although him laughingly dismissing it probably sent a strong case. Anyways, with Travis strikes again right around the corner, he could be a promotional character for that game. Nintendo at least considered the game important enough to show at the January Switch conference, and have it shown it in multiple directs so they have a clear interest in promoting it. It could happen.
3. Banjo
You might ask why banjo over Steve, but with some recent things some insider have said, I’m leaning toward the mine craft content being spirits/a boss/a stage alongside another Microsoft character. Of these characters, Banjo just seems to make the most sense, if Nintendo is aiming for nostalgia. With Nintendo having a hand, I doubt it’ll be master chief either.
4. Heihachi
I feel it’s pretty likely Namco is getting a DLC pick, and within Namco’s arsenal, I feel Heihachi is the most likely. With Akira in as an assist, I find it a bit odd Heihachi isn’t in the game at all. Tekken is Namco’s most successful videogame franchise, and Heihachi is pretty popular. He can be adapted to 2d gameplay with some effort, but I’ll concede that it’s definitely an obstacle. This could also go to Lloyd, but I’m picking Heihachi to be definitive.
5. Doomguy
Another pretty biased pick, but Bethesda and Nintendo seems to have a pretty decent relationship these days. One can not deny Doom’s influence, to the point where Sakurai even acknowledged John Caramck in an interview once. I see Doomguy as the most likely Bethesda character due to his history and popularity, but it could also be Vault Boy or Dragonborn. Guns might be an issue, but Doomguy’s guns aren’t super realistic so they might be able to get away with it.

There is a BoxBoy spirit, he’s called Qbby. Unless you meant something else.

 

[FreeFox]

Newcomers were mostly third parties. That's something.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasnt the DLC for last smash this ?

I would imagine that Nintendo would want to keep adding characters of their own too to promote their games and keep the whole share.

 

[Deleted member]

There is a BoxBoy spirit, he’s called Qbby. Unless you meant something else.

Ah ****, that ruins the joke. I should have checked lol

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Does it also eat projectiles?

That's scary

It ****ing DELETED a fully charged Charge Shot from Samus, The things that do like 32% damage

 

[PsySmasher]

Correct me if I am wrong but wasnt the DLC for last smash this ?

I would imagine that Nintendo would want to keep adding characters of their own too to promote their games and keep the whole share.

He's talking about newcomers only. So only .

Plus we don't have any vets to bring back this time around.

 

[Deleted member]

Literally the first thing I'm gonna do in this game after configuring my settings is do Pika's Classic mode at lowest difficulty, gotta get Shulk asap so my mains will all be there. I main Link, Shulk, and Mario so I'll have access to all of them very quick

 

[Pyra]

It ****ing DELETED a fully charged Charge Shot from Samus, The things that do like 32% damage

well, the charge shot was evil. dunno what to tell you.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

What is Your reaction to these being dlc fighters after the datamine?
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Only Banjo-Kazooie would interest and hype me up...the others nah (though Sylux I could dig)

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Did I see something about datamined extra fighters or something?

Or am I going crazy?

Oh is it one of those hypotheticals? Lol.

 

[PsySmasher]

Did I see something about datamined extra fighters or something?

Or am I going crazy?

Oh is it one of those hypotheticals? Lol.

It's all hypothetical. None of it is real.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

It ****ing DELETED a fully charged Charge Shot from Samus, The things that do like 32% damage

Don’t worry, Sakurai is just being faithful to the source material.... Just like with Bayonetta.....

 

[Pyra]

None of it is real.

None of us are, when it really comes to it.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Imagine Shulk Side Tilt but with the range of his FSmash and the frame data of Ganon's Jab.

Richter's f tilt comes out frame 12, and ganons jab comes out frame 6 or 7.
also, belmont's F tilt is also not that useful against projectiles. Shield, spot dodge, or jumping would be a better option.
Especially jumping, since I believe everyone in Smash ultimate has a 3 frame jump squat

 

[FreeFox]

He's talking about newcomers only. So only .

Plus we don't have any vets to bring back this time around.

I see. Now I understand what it meant.

I am going to stay in my guess though. I imagine Nintendo would at least like to have some money that they dont have to share with other companies. I suppose it depends on how many fighter passes they decide to release.